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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/us/politics/biden-convention.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare-snip-
“ As much as they cheered Mr. Biden and waved their preprinted “We ♥ Joe” signs, the thousands of Democrats gathered for their quadrennial national convention were sending him off to the presidential retirement home four years before he was ready. Mr. Biden found himself demoted from speaking as the presidential nominee on Thursday night, when as recently as a month ago he had expected to address the convention, to Monday night, an evening usually reserved for the party’s past stars.”
Baker, writing his opinion of Joe Biden’s speech and what Baker determined was Joe’s intent, and what the crowd was really thinking.
Low, and small and cowardly writing. The NYT continues to disparage Democrats overwhelmingly over the gropenfurers party.
I’m posting this not because I’m surprised but because I angry at the way small minded Baker just couldn’t give Joe his due.
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madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)They write unctuous and bitter articles that tear people down and leave people depressed. They are also very boring.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)know what really pissed me off? Maybe you don’t, but I’m going to tell you anyway cause it makes me feel better to vent.
In the snipped paragraph small Baker used a word to frame his opinion of how the delegates felt.
The word is “preprinted” Yes, as in “preprinted signs” as to suggest the crowd was phony in their standing ovation.
what the everlasting fuck!
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Trump rallies are all preprinted signs. All campaigns are. It's how the campaign controls the message.
Prairie Gates
(8,151 posts)He's a fucking clown.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)
BonnieJW
(3,124 posts)You just know that in high school he got shoved in his locker all the time and cried himself to sleep every night. This is his revenge against all the mean kids.
Peter Baker is a worm 🪱 👀
Hekate
(100,133 posts)And so legible! Doesn’t everybody?
Ocelot II
(130,516 posts)The hallmark of a great reporter is the magical ability to grok exactly what's in the minds of his subjects and report this knowledge as unassailable fact!
What a load of arrogant, disrespectful codswallop.
moniss
(9,056 posts)about this kind of "garbage writing" passing as journalism. Reminded me of Bob Somerby.
haele
(15,393 posts)How dare people not recognize who they are and how important their work is?.
Too many people equate wealth with value.
Haele
SocialDemocrat61
(7,634 posts)along with many others in the corrupt corporate media. They think their privilege and wealth will protect them if Trump gets back into power, just as it did when other Republicans won elections.
vanlassie
(6,248 posts)I am always gobsmacked when Democrats make such statements,
SocialDemocrat61
(7,634 posts)Changed it to if.
vanlassie
(6,248 posts)
Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)I for one, do not understand that. But than I'm a glass half full over a glass half empty.
PedroXimenez
(673 posts)take any of the things Baker says should have been done differently, if they had been done that way he would have said it should have been done the other way.
Just like commentators who a month ago said Dems need to replace Joe, then the same person now says how dare they replace Joe.
i.e. dishonest political analysis.
displacedvermoter
(4,491 posts)the party's "past stars"? What an asshat he is! There were probably half a dozen folks who spoke last night who can/may be candidates for President in the years to come. And they are all infinitely better than anyone the GOP has lined up. And they were all assembled on the first night to make the night special for the hero of the Convention, President Joe Biden!
krawhitham
(5,072 posts)Monday is normally for up-and-comers and the greatest hits which include "past stars" and older sitting members that have no prospects of getting a higher office
AOC & Crockett are up-and-comers
Clinton, Clyburn, Warnock, Coons, Raskin, Hochul, & Joe Biden are the past stars or members that at or past their peak
displacedvermoter
(4,491 posts)And yeah, Kerr is an NBA and Olympic basketball coach, very much in the the public eye and someone who I would call a star now that he has come forward like this.
If Taylor Swift made a speech at the Convention, would you say she was a star? LeBron James? Maybe George Clooney since he shit on the President?
And the current governor of New York, as one example, you saying she's a has been?
Is your point, again, to agree with Baker's snide assessment. You sorry the President didn't go off like the Times would have liked.
Monday at this Convention is like no other Convention I can recall, unfortunately it didn't fit the model Baker and probably Axelrod, and maybe you wanted it to be. I got to believe this entire week will be something we have never seen before
Deminpenn
(17,504 posts)category.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)And almost entirely one sided. They simply refuse to hold TFG to the same standards, or really to any standard.
bluesbassman
(20,384 posts)I watched most of the other speeches and all of Joe’s, and I heard no hesitation, no faltering, no second guessing. Joe is not being “sent off”, he made and Executive decision, one that few politicians, and absolutely not the convicted felon, would have the character or stomach to make, and he sealed it last night and passed the torch in no uncertain terms.
Fuck you Baker, you’re a sniveling worm.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)That quote goes to the heart of why this was an emotional, bittersweet part of the night. It HAD to be given the background situation which Baker says well. Biden was pushed to end his career earlier than he would have planned. I imagine seeing the turnaround in the campaign, which makes most of the party think the switch to Harris was a very good thing, has both made him very hurt, even while hoping it was the best for the country.
I also agree that the planners should have cut something earlier, possibly moving them to one of the other days, to include the tribute video.
While this tries to sympathetically describe how this felt for Biden, it ignores that Baker and the NYT, his wife and many other MSM people pushed hard for months to make him leave.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)The “ we♥️Joe” signs were according to Baker “preprinted”
The Democrats sent him “off to the presidential retirement home” (ugh
Mr Biden was “demoted”
Baker’s entire snotty article is peppered with pejorative adjectives.
Prairie Gates
(8,151 posts)a fucking dweeb.
BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)They are not relevant now.
They have pissed their cred away.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)krawhitham
(5,072 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,491 posts)Is that where Trump and Shrub and Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama all reside? It can't be since they are all living elsewhere, separately. Or is that just a snide reference to someplace other than the White House?
And who "demoted" President Biden? Last we saw he was still President of the United States, and Commander in Chief. Baker's pissy comments are not accurate. Why would you say you agree with his quote?
stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2024, 06:12 PM - Edit history (1)
just last night written by one of their op writers. Darn near word for word. (and others similar sprinkled throughout print media) Doesn't have a damned thing to do with the evil NYT - but rather with a very curious (and unique) inflection in time that we find ourselves. Hopeful, joyous, and slightly bittersweet ...
The love fest for Joe - must be informed with the knowledge (peppered with regret?) that he was asked to step aside. That's just the history of what went down. He did so - and kudos to him (and perhaps others as well?) - for one more brave and selfless act. But that does not brush aside the fact that a really good man took part at the convention last night - - in a role that he did not expect - and had not really wanted. (and, again - no only by him, but by large swath of others - including many that shed tears and roared approval and appreciation for him). Recognizing that - are we really going to try to pretend that there aren't some handful of regrets - and hurts?
calimary
(90,010 posts)Oh how they clapped. Oh how they cheered. For what? Four solid minutes?
While that was nice, and even encouraging, there was a big part of me that was more bitter than sweet. I kept thinking - “WHERE were you guys a month ago???”
And what was President Biden supposed to make of that? “Oh, you like me NOW, ‘eh? Where were you a few weeks ago, when all I heard was ‘any chance you can LEAVE?’”
I heard that, too, Joe. They swallowed ALL the criticism and ignored the many great things he did and the actions he took. Following what’s perhaps THE BIGGEST gift he ever gave America: he beat trump.
I’m not at all sure that President Biden will EVER get all the love, support, support, OR gratitude he deserves. And that’s a shame. A MASSIVELY big shame.
And you just watch: when we finally lose this great leader and generous, shrewdly brilliant, and kind-hearted man, EVERYBODY on the airwaves and the net will loudly claim that they thought he was the next best thing to the Second Coming and that they’d supported him WHOLEHEARTEDLY, all along.
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PatSeg
(53,214 posts)After making a reference to the touching moment between Joe and his daughter, Goldberg just had to add, "....his shouted speech left me so relieved that he’s not the candidate." What the hell?!?!
Such a petty, small-minded person. She is one who has wanted Biden to withdraw for a long time now. She also attacked Al Franken mercilessly and wanted him to resign from the senate. Whenever she is on TV, I hit fast-forward. She needs to find another career.
moniss
(9,056 posts)and came away better informed. The same for Peter Baker and his ilk.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)I only come away knowing how uninformed SHE is. After the way she repeatedly attacked Al Franken, I wasn't surprised when she went after Joe. However, I am surprised at how often she shows up on MSNBC.
moniss
(9,056 posts)and media is that people develop "connections" with segment producers/show producers etc. and if they can be presentable on TV to more or less go along with the "theme" of a segment then they get asked on/contracted/paid. One hand washing the other. The show needs people who can appear legit and somewhat informed and convincing to come on and "perform". The person needs money and visibility so they can go on more shows and write books and columns.
Notice how Bill Maher continues to have on thoroughly detestable people like Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro? It's not because there is any real information passing to the audience. It's because it gets reaction and Kirk and Shapiro are more than happy to play the game and keep themselves visible and making money.
It reminds me of something that happened several years ago regarding talk radio. A Chicago area talker had a show that was on the "liberal" part of the station's programming day after they Limbaugh etc. and he had a distinctive voice. He was on that station for several years and then just was not on one day. I figured he got axed and never gave it more thought. But a couple of years later I was driving out West and tuning up and down the dial and lo and behold that voice jumped out of the radio. Only now he was all hard core right wing. So I called in and got through and used his previous "radio name" and he immediately hit the delay on the call but he kept me on the line. Apparently went to commercial because he took a minute or so to say Hi and thanks for remembering him. I asked him about his apparent "turn" and he told me all about how it's commonly called "rent a voice" in radio. If the station wants to pay you big bucks to "be" a liberal host then that's what you do. If someone wants to pay you more money and they want you to "be" conservative then that's what you do. Show biz, entertainment, entertainers, stage names etc. It's all "Theater of the Mind" to them but a large part of the audience, as we unfortunately see, believes every bit of it is real and that the person talking to them through the radio really is what they seem to be.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)So many of them are playing a role for a price. I understand that a lot of it is performance, but to go from liberal to right-wing like that for the money is rather disturbing. It would be different if they were acting in a movie, but as you say, much of the audience believes it is real.
As for cable news, I'm getting a bit tired of the paid contributors and the endless panel discussions. It is usually just people rehashing the same stuff over and over again. I like some commentary, but this is overkill. I've been watching less and less cable news and since the call for Joe to step aside, I've limited it to Lawrence O'Donnell and special reporting like the DNC.
calimary
(90,010 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)I have never heard this jerk say anything positive about President Biden.
He is such a smug asshole.
FelineOverlord
(3,851 posts)Dry interesting 2022 article from The American Prospect:
https://prospect.org/politics/altercation-how-peter-bakers-feelings-become-news/
Ninga
(9,012 posts)written.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)They are talking to themselves not the people. This article was posted by Nevilledog just awhile ago.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219358567
It is not just Peter Baker although he is in an ahole class of his own, especially with the Biden being ill and having Parkinson's when he did absolutely not even a modicum of research before he wrote his story, as I now suspect is how he does most of his reporting, by rumour.
Here is a snippet from the article
~snip~
Let’s consider the past few weeks in the life of The New York Times. This summer, the paper of record demanded President Joe Biden’s departure from the race. After getting their wish, they had criticism galore, which they expressed by pushing full stories on crystals-loving Marianne Williamson’s complaints that the party needed an open nomination process (without regard for the legal and logistical impossibility of such a process), followed by multiple columns chastising the elevation of the current Vice President, Kamala Harris, to the top of the ticket as a “coronation” (again, despite the fact that she was the only Democrat in the United States who could actually surmount the aforementioned legal and logistical challenges).
They got what they wanted but, oh no, not how they wanted it! And when the veepstakes didn’t go to their precise specifications they then found a half dozen of Minnesota’s nearly six million residents to say they do not love Governor Tim Walz, Harris’s pick for a running mate, even as his favorability jumped 20 points after his announcement. Finger on the pulse, baby!
agingdem
(8,843 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2024, 06:24 PM - Edit history (2)
a small man with a big ego enamored with his perceived genius...like Trump, the NYT is desperate for Biden to miraculously step back in the race...I get it... without Joe, the NYT is forced to cover Trump in all his psychotic glory...painful to do when they've spent years pandering to Trump (Maggie Haberman) while trashing Biden....I suppose Trump's promise to lock up his political enemies may have something to do with their decision to make nice with the degenerate Hitler wannabe...thoughts and prayers assholes...
arlyellowdog
(1,430 posts)I had never heard of Donald Trump until I returned to my parents New Jersey home in the 1980s. They had the New York Times with a huge spread on Donald and the first of his wives. My impression was this guy and the New York Times are trying to act so superior and the guy is just a clown. The New York Times made that clown a king.
MontanaMama
(24,721 posts)it is our job to believe them and call them out publicly.
nuxvomica
(14,091 posts)Biden is fundamentally an idealist and Baker is the opposite, a cynic, who can only parse events like this in terms of ego gratification. In that way Baker, along with many others at the NYT, is no different than TFG. Biden's graceful exit from the campaign is a "black swan" to them, just like it was to TFG. They understand it as well as an azalea might understand quadratic equations.
czarjak
(13,639 posts)Think evolution. Shit changes.