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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsElon Musk is part of the problem. I don't use or support X anymore than I did twitter
why do so many dems use X? I cant tell you how frustrating it is to want to read an article here on DU, only to click on article and find, X!
kimbutgar
(26,655 posts)erronis
(22,446 posts)and can be manipulated at his whim. Messages can be changed, not delivered, mis-delivered. The whole channel could be closed down because muskrat had a bad drug reaction.
Not to forget that he and trump of bff's and trump is controlled by putin.
eallen
(2,980 posts)There are many services whose value depends largely on their market share. Email, SMS, and the postal system are universally accepted because they are universal. None of them likely would get out of the gate if they were invented new today.
Now, yeah, Musk sucks. Twitter was the dominant player in its space when he bought them. And solely because of that, they remain the dominant player now. There is tremendous inertia in that network effect.
Moostache
(10,958 posts)When Twitter was a thing, I was banned for wishing Trump would stroke out...they called it a "threat to another person".
When Musk took over, he reinstated Trump...so I figured, I guess all past is forgotten and appealed the ban.
I am still banned from "X" (not that I would use it since Musk is essentially "Fat Bastard" from the Austin Powers films and totally full of shit too) and Trumpy Bear is not.
Fuck that noise.
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)and we should all want him gone. Wear your ban like a badge if honor.
RandomNumbers
(19,037 posts)To other sites like Mastodon or wherever. Make it easier for "volunteers" to share on other sites without having to use Xitter.
Is there a legal reason, I wonder? Or just financial / time? (obviously it would be more costly for a media team to post on 2 or 3 sites rather than just one).
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)We are fighting an enemy on one hand & supporting that enemy (to democracy!) on the other hand.
haele
(15,017 posts)They're careful how they do it, though. The site formerly known as Twitter claims they have the ability to track cross posts, but who knows if they've implemented it.
Haele
RandomNumbers
(19,037 posts)If so that would explain why they do it.
But if someone REALLY wanted to help other sites compete with Xitter (yes I know it's not a politician's top priority), wouldn't it be a matter of simply rewording the headline / blurb, and linking directly to the original content?
Bev54
(13,144 posts)forgetful and sometimes forget. It seems we are getting more tweets on DU as of late, than we ever did before and I refuse to click on them because I will not give Musk any business at all. There are some at DU that mine twitter to post here.
KS Toronado
(22,828 posts)they find on X, have wondered if it's a Elon bot promoting themselves.
Bev54
(13,144 posts)was some sort of competition I had missed.
notemason
(572 posts)Stopped opening her posts.
LeftInTX
(34,013 posts)Not enough audience etc.
RandomNumbers
(19,037 posts)to use and promote other venues when possible.
LeftInTX
(34,013 posts)Candidates and elected officials post to platforms that are accessible to all.
It looks like some media groups joined Mastadon. Some posted in 2023 and then they stopped. Some are still active like ProPublica and Texas Observer. I haven't heard of some of these. Some like Foreign Policy post sporadically.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)are pasting the content of xeets and - gasp! - actually typing a few lines to provide context. I thank them.
I hate clicking on a thread then getting nothing but Link to tweet. No content, no context.
I lurked on twitter to follow some events in progress, but now I refuse to monetize MuX with site traffic. No clix to monetize Nazis!
If we move on to other platforms like Mastodon the twitterati we like will follow.
(Zuckerthing is as bad or worse than MuX. I won't give Meta site traffic either.)
gab13by13
(31,026 posts)is more dangerous than Fox.
People are OK going on X even though Putin's pal owns the site and supports TSF and Russia.
But Thom Hartmann worked for RT, was never told what to say, used his own producer, argued against right wing conservatives while he was there and he is kryptonite. Thom Hartmann is one of my top 3 go to news sources, he tells me the news 3 months before the MSM figures it out.
3 months ago he was talking about how TSF fears Taylor Swift because she can lead a movement of young voters to the polls. Look what TSF is doing to try to negate Taylor and intimidate her to not endorse Kamala/Walz. I knew this was coming 3 months ago because of Thom.
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)orthoclad
(4,728 posts)we have Mux, Bezos, Koch...
erronis
(22,446 posts)And I did listen to Thom while there.
But it became rather obvious that RT was a propaganda arm of the Kremlin. I think Thom saw this also and left. It took me a while to feel comfortable listening to him after that but I think he is brilliant.
LudwigPastorius
(14,034 posts)No one that calls themselves a Democrat should be giving Elon Musk and his Nazi circlejerk site clicks (revenue).
CoopersDad
(3,272 posts)If you don't want to see DU posts that link to X, watch for the blue square before you click on the post.
indicates a Tweet post.
indicates a Youtube post.
barbtries
(31,088 posts)sometimes the video will play on DU and sometimes it opens up twitter - is there a way to know in advance about that?
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)
The thing is, some posts are just blank Link to tweet things, whereas with others, the poster takes the trouble to flesh out the link so we don't have to click it to get the sense of the post.
Is there a way to tell the difference?
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)RandomNumbers
(19,037 posts)I don't see those squares in the thread list.
CoopersDad
(3,272 posts)... and a lot of other features like no ads.
Details here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/star

CrispyQ
(40,591 posts)I have no idea how X makes money but I don't buy anything there. All I do is watch a few vids or read a story & if they get credit for my visit, so be it. I'm a long time vegetarian & I've been making ethical compromises on the companies I do business with for decades.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)The advertisers decide on which platform to spend money based on site traffic. Thus, each click to xitter monetizes MuX by raising site traffic stats - and now Trump, since M's financing T's campaign.
AllaN01Bear
(28,455 posts)D23MIURG23
(3,136 posts)Twitter was founded on a terrible idea, and it was never a good platform. It was probably the single biggest contributor to the right wing conspiracy hellscape that we currently have to deal with.
If you need something in the same vein as twitter, threads exists.
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Facebook illegally shared private user data with Cambridge Analytica, which used the data to micro-target political ads in key locations. This gave T the Electoral College and defeated the popular vote (again).
Facebook was tried and fined. Cost of doing biz. Zuck got the billionaire tax breaks, well worth the paltry fines.
Facebook has lost a class action lawsuit for spying on private medical information. Using Facebook's tracking pixel (the Meta pixel), inquiries into seeking abortion care were recorded by Meta.
Anything Meta is at least as evil as xitter.
D23MIURG23
(3,136 posts)I don't dispute any of what you are saying, but I know which platform I've seen RWers reference more, and Musk is now openly using shitter to shill for trump. Zuck isn't doing that.
I don't use either, but I think if you need a one liner site, threads is still probably better.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)of no corporate ownership.
More like a club than a corp, it seems.
Zuck is still a bad actor, just not as flamboyant and more cryptic than mux.
barbtries
(31,088 posts)but I deleted my account when it was taken over by a right wing megalomaniac. Sometimes i go search youtube and find the videos if I'm unable to watch them from DU, but like you, I don't go there.
It's the biggest platform is why, but I find it lamentable as well. Other places tried but haven't managed to get the traction.
Prairie Gates
(7,121 posts)Honestly, after a few days, you don't even realize that it's not in your life anymore. And, your life is much better, too. I could literally be getting dragged to hell and back on Twitter and my only response would be, "I don't care. I'm not on Twitter."
Once you refuse to give it power, it fades into nothingness. It's the fucking Wizard of Oz of public discourse.
Gore1FL
(22,810 posts)However, me having an account on Twitter gives me access to content of like-minded liberals who also have accounts.
Musk is going to run the company into the ground whether or not I take advantage of the platform before then.
Kittycatkat
(1,764 posts)Giving a platform and supporting a platform of a billionaire bent on the destruction of democracy just seems like a really bad idea. Maybe I am 100% wrong on how these things work, as I have a very, very small profile on social media.
Gore1FL
(22,810 posts)I see no reason to abandon a useful resource before it dies on its own.
SheltieLover
(76,059 posts)Ty for posting this!
Xavier Breath
(6,405 posts)but FFS do us all a favor and post a screenshot for the tweet along with the link. Actually, that should be a requirement here so that no one ever has to click on a tweet link to see what the thread is about. It doesn't seem like such a big ask.
C OH Dem
(39 posts)Now I'm waiting for a company that really cares about their assemblers and their union, their customers and the environment.
It definitely isn't these asses!
Justice matters.
(9,266 posts)X is a worldwide platform and sometimes it allows foreigners to post important information for some conservatives who are starting to realize they've been conned into a dangerous cult of personality to actually reject it and see the light.
For instance, this post on X from a Sweden citizen I made here, denouncing the fascist propaganda of the con man and his maga cult:
"I live in Sweden... We are not communists"
From Xitter:
"I live in Sweden. We have social-security, affordable healthcare, strick gun laws, 5 week paid annual leave and a year maternity leave. "A stay at the hospital for one night costs about $10. "Prescription drugs have an annual cap of $210. "We are not communists. We are socio-democratic, and our freedoms are not inhibited."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219350598
These posters don't know the alternatives to X and they were probably on Twitter before the muskrat took over. Their honest inputs remain important nonetheless.
Warpy
(114,359 posts)I keep thinking some Russian is leading him around by his dick now that Grimes is on her way out after producing 3 more kids for him.
I don't use Xitter because I don't like the platform, never did, even before Musk. My account died of neglect.
GenThePerservering
(3,146 posts)are undermining it. I'm OK with that.
Cheezoholic
(3,502 posts)people, among thousands of others from every spectrum of social interests, to reach a wide enough audience to essentially exist either from Twitter generated revenue, or by giving them the ability to easily link to either their blogs, utube channels or actual websites, etc. that would generate small dollar revenue by simply "texting". You need to generate a lot of traffic to your blog/website or utube (who have now slashed across the board revenue for creators) to at least make a meager living at it.
While I never used it (I dumped social media at the turn of this century for the most part) I think it served a fairly free, safe and open space for the exchange of ideas via a simple text style platform. Like anything else (from the first carved stone spear tips to tech today) the allure of mass amounts of wealth consumed and monopolized it. I remember the huge outrage when the rumor mill started that it was going to go public even before Eloon showed interest, which made it worse.
Twitter had become the driver for 10's of thousands to make some kind of living on their own, from really serious people to the moronic, a virtual Alice's Restaurant if you will. But because this "public" square was owned by a private company (even though their product was technically free) that's where the problem lay and the owners of the company decided to cash out. This has always been one of the reasons I personally don't use, or rely as little as possible, on social media. The rug can be ripped out from under you in the blink of an eye and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
The Twitter space had become so large that when eloon bought it (I believe for the technical infrastructure to support his Starlink system more than for what it was) and turned it into an echo chamber for his ego, to this day there are still people who need it either to still try and drive revenue or just simply because it's easy.
I remember Mark Cuban's response when asked about eloon buying it. He said "look, he's got the money, it's a private company, if he wants it, he can buy it and do legally whatever he wants with it, eve shut it off the day he buys it. Its the risk you take when dealing with private entities". Besides, the number of hits generated from this message board to his platform are a miniscule drop in the xitter bucket. He ain't getting richer off of us. Just my 2 cents
CaptainTruth
(8,022 posts)For example, one List is all the news sources I trust, so I can easily see & scroll through the latest headlines. Another List is for legal matters, folks who follow & report on court cases, plus attorneys & law professors etc I like. Another is all pollsters & poll analysts so I can easily see the latest political polling every day.
By using Lists & only viewing my Lists I don't have to wade through all the random right-wing garbage.
Also, advertisers pay per engagement. Viewing & responding to their ad (making a comment) only costs them a few cents, but clicking on a video or web link costs them around 25 cents to 50 cents. So every time I see a right wing ad I click the link 20-30 times at least, so I'm wasting their money & reducing their exposure. Most have an ad budget, the total they'll pay for engagements, so if I use up 30 engagements worth of their budget their ad will show less times & reach less people. By now I've cost official GOP accounts hundreds of dollars & sabotaged thousands of ad exposures.
One added benefit of doing this is that some accounts apparently figured out what I was doing (heck, I would leave comments & tell them "I'm engaging to cost you $$$, now I'm going to click your link 30 times."
& I stopped seeing their ads. So, it's a good way to cleanse your ad feed & make the right wingers pay for it.
If enough Democrats did that, then every time a right wing organization ran an ad we could use up their ad budget on the first day & shut down their advertising. Some (many?) of those advertisers might question the value of giving their money to Musk for ads that were producing no results, which could help cut off one of the main income sources for Twitter/Musk. Twitter's income is already abysmal (down 85% since Musk bought it) & there are reports that soon Musk is going to have to sell a bunch of Tesla stock to prop up Twitter (taking money out of his own pocket), which will drive down the value of Tesla stock.
So, if enough Democrats got together on Twitter we could waste the money of right wing advertisers & sabotage their ad campaigns, reduce Twitter's ad revenue, pushing them closer to bankruptcy, & force Musk to use more of his own money (Tesla stock) to prop it up, driving down the value of Tesla stock. But why would Democrats be on Twitter?
hunter
(40,320 posts)The signal to noise ration was unacceptable to me.
Too much noise.
Musk only made it worse.
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)Musk doesn't gain anything simply from you viewing something someone else posted there.
quakerboy
(14,696 posts)Which are used to draw advertisers.
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)Which is why the value of the company keeps tanking.
quakerboy
(14,696 posts)Im not doing that any more than im going to buy a tesla or a starlink setup.
Im curious how long it will take for twitter to sink so badly they end up merging with truth social.
jujubeets
(80 posts)There's biased Twitter where you post and like so the algorithm can tailor your feed to you.
There's also what passes for unbiased where you don't click like nor do you comment. This is the way to benefit from Twitter if you want raw news before you could see it on TV. Twitter gets the scoops first for sure. MSM really seems to be slowly dying.
The problem is Musk has the algorithm skewed to what he wants. He didn't buy it not to use it to promote his personal and business interests. Under Musk, Twitter is his personal PR machine. So, even unbiased Twitter currently has a RW skewing.
How to fight it? Wait until our DU faithful filter the news you can use back to us by reading their posts.
sinkingfeeling
(57,024 posts)'Elementary', where a social media CEO uses tech to find who he thinks is a possible serial killer and then has them executed before they can act. I truly believe such a thing is possible when everyone's thoughts and threats can be accessed by one enity.