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Kittycatkat

(1,764 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:07 AM Aug 2024

Elon Musk is part of the problem. I don't use or support X anymore than I did twitter

why do so many dems use X? I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to want to read an article here on DU, only to click on article and find, X!

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Elon Musk is part of the problem. I don't use or support X anymore than I did twitter (Original Post) Kittycatkat Aug 2024 OP
I feel the same way ! kimbutgar Aug 2024 #1
I also worry that this "important" channel of communication is controlled by the Musk Raat erronis Aug 2024 #54
Network effect eallen Aug 2024 #2
All I needed to know was this... Moostache Aug 2024 #3
Thank you saying what many were thinking. Trump equals Hitler Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #12
I wonder why Dems / liberals don't cross-post their original content? RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #4
Yes! If it popular on du, x also gets the hits. It is perverse really. Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #16
Some cross post to Threads and Blue Sky. haele Aug 2024 #27
Thanks, is cross-posting to other sites a violation of Xitter TOS? RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #49
Many do, I use Bluesky and a lot of them also post their "tweets" on bluesky, some are Bev54 Aug 2024 #29
Seems like we have one newbie who attempts to post everything on DU KS Toronado Aug 2024 #32
Yes I agree there are 2 prolific ones with up to 40 posts a day. I was beginning to wonder if there Bev54 Aug 2024 #34
Feel the same notemason Aug 2024 #53
Time probably. I don't have accounts on those sites. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #46
Right, but Xitter has gone so evil, it just seems like it might be worth the effort RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #50
It's getting the important people to post on them, that's the issue. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #56
Agreed. I notice that more people orthoclad Aug 2024 #5
Putin's pal, Elon Musk gab13by13 Aug 2024 #6
Agreed Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #18
Who needs Putin when orthoclad Aug 2024 #30
I thought RT brought some good content to the web in the beginning. erronis Aug 2024 #55
I agree. LudwigPastorius Aug 2024 #7
ProTip: Blue square Twitter, Red Square Youtube link in the OP. CoopersDad Aug 2024 #8
good to know, but barbtries Aug 2024 #14
Thanks orthoclad Aug 2024 #15
Thank you for that, I learned a new nugget today. Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #20
Is it a Star member thing? Or doesn't work with certain browsers? RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #25
Good question. Yes, it's a perk for star members. Just $5/year gets you that and.... CoopersDad Aug 2024 #28
People post where people are. CrispyQ Aug 2024 #9
MuX makes money from advertisers orthoclad Aug 2024 #17
i quit using meta years ago and have no intrest on using twitter. AllaN01Bear Aug 2024 #10
I've never used it, and I wish people would stop. D23MIURG23 Aug 2024 #11
Yes Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #21
But Zuck helped enormously in getting T elected in 2016 orthoclad Aug 2024 #23
It's probably best to use none of them. D23MIURG23 Aug 2024 #42
Mastodon has the advantage orthoclad Aug 2024 #44
twitter was a lifesaver for me during TCFSF's administration barbtries Aug 2024 #13
I dumped Twitter the day Musk took over Prairie Gates Aug 2024 #19
Me having an account on Twitter doesn't make Elon lose less money that he otherwise would. Gore1FL Aug 2024 #22
I don't know, but I feel like hits and posts on x translate into advertising dollars. Kittycatkat Aug 2024 #26
He is suing advertisers for not advertising with him. He's going to drive it into the ground. Gore1FL Aug 2024 #37
I literally would not click an X link if it were the last source of info on the planet SheltieLover Aug 2024 #24
I don't care if someone posts a thread that includes a tweet Xavier Breath Aug 2024 #31
I want to go green with my vehicles. C OH Dem Aug 2024 #33
Agreed he and billionaires like Theil are part of the problem, but... Justice matters. Aug 2024 #35
Yes, Elon has jumped the shark lately Warpy Aug 2024 #36
Dems and the left posting on Xitter GenThePerservering Aug 2024 #38
Twitter's original format (most of pre-eloon existence) became a great platform for independent news/opinion Cheezoholic Aug 2024 #39
I create Lists & only view my Lists. CaptainTruth Aug 2024 #40
I'd banned Twitter from my browser before Musk bought it. hunter Aug 2024 #41
If you don't ever see any ads (I don't), or don't patronize X advertisers, you're just costing Elon money RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #43
Except for page visits quakerboy Aug 2024 #47
Which MIGHT draw advertisers, but apparently aren't RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #48
I decline to click through on the ones i know are from there quakerboy Aug 2024 #45
There are two twitters jujubeets Aug 2024 #51
Me too. All I can think about is the story line of the last season of sinkingfeeling Aug 2024 #52

erronis

(22,446 posts)
54. I also worry that this "important" channel of communication is controlled by the Musk Raat
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 10:31 AM
Aug 2024

and can be manipulated at his whim. Messages can be changed, not delivered, mis-delivered. The whole channel could be closed down because muskrat had a bad drug reaction.

Not to forget that he and trump of bff's and trump is controlled by putin.

eallen

(2,980 posts)
2. Network effect
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:14 AM
Aug 2024

There are many services whose value depends largely on their market share. Email, SMS, and the postal system are universally accepted because they are universal. None of them likely would get out of the gate if they were invented new today.

Now, yeah, Musk sucks. Twitter was the dominant player in its space when he bought them. And solely because of that, they remain the dominant player now. There is tremendous inertia in that network effect.


Moostache

(10,958 posts)
3. All I needed to know was this...
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:15 AM
Aug 2024

When Twitter was a thing, I was banned for wishing Trump would stroke out...they called it a "threat to another person".
When Musk took over, he reinstated Trump...so I figured, I guess all past is forgotten and appealed the ban.

I am still banned from "X" (not that I would use it since Musk is essentially "Fat Bastard" from the Austin Powers films and totally full of shit too) and Trumpy Bear is not.

Fuck that noise.

Kittycatkat

(1,764 posts)
12. Thank you saying what many were thinking. Trump equals Hitler
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:37 AM
Aug 2024

and we should all want him gone. Wear your ban like a badge if honor.

RandomNumbers

(19,037 posts)
4. I wonder why Dems / liberals don't cross-post their original content?
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:16 AM
Aug 2024

To other sites like Mastodon or wherever. Make it easier for "volunteers" to share on other sites without having to use Xitter.

Is there a legal reason, I wonder? Or just financial / time? (obviously it would be more costly for a media team to post on 2 or 3 sites rather than just one).

Kittycatkat

(1,764 posts)
16. Yes! If it popular on du, x also gets the hits. It is perverse really.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:44 AM
Aug 2024

We are fighting an enemy on one hand & supporting that enemy (to democracy!) on the other hand.

haele

(15,017 posts)
27. Some cross post to Threads and Blue Sky.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:10 AM
Aug 2024

They're careful how they do it, though. The site formerly known as Twitter claims they have the ability to track cross posts, but who knows if they've implemented it.

Haele

RandomNumbers

(19,037 posts)
49. Thanks, is cross-posting to other sites a violation of Xitter TOS?
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 09:15 AM
Aug 2024

If so that would explain why they do it.

But if someone REALLY wanted to help other sites compete with Xitter (yes I know it's not a politician's top priority), wouldn't it be a matter of simply rewording the headline / blurb, and linking directly to the original content?

Bev54

(13,144 posts)
29. Many do, I use Bluesky and a lot of them also post their "tweets" on bluesky, some are
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:20 AM
Aug 2024

forgetful and sometimes forget. It seems we are getting more tweets on DU as of late, than we ever did before and I refuse to click on them because I will not give Musk any business at all. There are some at DU that mine twitter to post here.

KS Toronado

(22,828 posts)
32. Seems like we have one newbie who attempts to post everything on DU
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:35 PM
Aug 2024

they find on X, have wondered if it's a Elon bot promoting themselves.

Bev54

(13,144 posts)
34. Yes I agree there are 2 prolific ones with up to 40 posts a day. I was beginning to wonder if there
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:41 PM
Aug 2024

was some sort of competition I had missed.

RandomNumbers

(19,037 posts)
50. Right, but Xitter has gone so evil, it just seems like it might be worth the effort
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 09:35 AM
Aug 2024

to use and promote other venues when possible.

LeftInTX

(34,013 posts)
56. It's getting the important people to post on them, that's the issue.
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 11:08 AM
Aug 2024

Candidates and elected officials post to platforms that are accessible to all.

It looks like some media groups joined Mastadon. Some posted in 2023 and then they stopped. Some are still active like ProPublica and Texas Observer. I haven't heard of some of these. Some like Foreign Policy post sporadically.




orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
5. Agreed. I notice that more people
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:17 AM
Aug 2024

are pasting the content of xeets and - gasp! - actually typing a few lines to provide context. I thank them.

I hate clicking on a thread then getting nothing but Link to tweet. No content, no context.

I lurked on twitter to follow some events in progress, but now I refuse to monetize MuX with site traffic. No clix to monetize Nazis!

If we move on to other platforms like Mastodon the twitterati we like will follow.

(Zuckerthing is as bad or worse than MuX. I won't give Meta site traffic either.)

gab13by13

(31,026 posts)
6. Putin's pal, Elon Musk
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:17 AM
Aug 2024

is more dangerous than Fox.

People are OK going on X even though Putin's pal owns the site and supports TSF and Russia.

But Thom Hartmann worked for RT, was never told what to say, used his own producer, argued against right wing conservatives while he was there and he is kryptonite. Thom Hartmann is one of my top 3 go to news sources, he tells me the news 3 months before the MSM figures it out.

3 months ago he was talking about how TSF fears Taylor Swift because she can lead a movement of young voters to the polls. Look what TSF is doing to try to negate Taylor and intimidate her to not endorse Kamala/Walz. I knew this was coming 3 months ago because of Thom.

erronis

(22,446 posts)
55. I thought RT brought some good content to the web in the beginning.
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 10:37 AM
Aug 2024

And I did listen to Thom while there.

But it became rather obvious that RT was a propaganda arm of the Kremlin. I think Thom saw this also and left. It took me a while to feel comfortable listening to him after that but I think he is brilliant.

LudwigPastorius

(14,034 posts)
7. I agree.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:17 AM
Aug 2024

No one that calls themselves a Democrat should be giving Elon Musk and his Nazi circlejerk site clicks (revenue).

CoopersDad

(3,272 posts)
8. ProTip: Blue square Twitter, Red Square Youtube link in the OP.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:18 AM
Aug 2024

If you don't want to see DU posts that link to X, watch for the blue square before you click on the post.

indicates a Tweet post.

indicates a Youtube post.

barbtries

(31,088 posts)
14. good to know, but
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:40 AM
Aug 2024

sometimes the video will play on DU and sometimes it opens up twitter - is there a way to know in advance about that?

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
15. Thanks
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:40 AM
Aug 2024

Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

The thing is, some posts are just blank Link to tweet things, whereas with others, the poster takes the trouble to flesh out the link so we don't have to click it to get the sense of the post.

Is there a way to tell the difference?

RandomNumbers

(19,037 posts)
25. Is it a Star member thing? Or doesn't work with certain browsers?
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:03 AM
Aug 2024

I don't see those squares in the thread list.

CoopersDad

(3,272 posts)
28. Good question. Yes, it's a perk for star members. Just $5/year gets you that and....
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:19 AM
Aug 2024

... and a lot of other features like no ads.

Details here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/star

CrispyQ

(40,591 posts)
9. People post where people are.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:22 AM
Aug 2024

I have no idea how X makes money but I don't buy anything there. All I do is watch a few vids or read a story & if they get credit for my visit, so be it. I'm a long time vegetarian & I've been making ethical compromises on the companies I do business with for decades.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
17. MuX makes money from advertisers
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:44 AM
Aug 2024

The advertisers decide on which platform to spend money based on site traffic. Thus, each click to xitter monetizes MuX by raising site traffic stats - and now Trump, since M's financing T's campaign.

D23MIURG23

(3,136 posts)
11. I've never used it, and I wish people would stop.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:24 AM
Aug 2024

Twitter was founded on a terrible idea, and it was never a good platform. It was probably the single biggest contributor to the right wing conspiracy hellscape that we currently have to deal with.

If you need something in the same vein as twitter, threads exists.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
23. But Zuck helped enormously in getting T elected in 2016
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:52 AM
Aug 2024

Facebook illegally shared private user data with Cambridge Analytica, which used the data to micro-target political ads in key locations. This gave T the Electoral College and defeated the popular vote (again).

Facebook was tried and fined. Cost of doing biz. Zuck got the billionaire tax breaks, well worth the paltry fines.

Facebook has lost a class action lawsuit for spying on private medical information. Using Facebook's tracking pixel (the Meta pixel), inquiries into seeking abortion care were recorded by Meta.

Anything Meta is at least as evil as xitter.

D23MIURG23

(3,136 posts)
42. It's probably best to use none of them.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 03:24 PM
Aug 2024

I don't dispute any of what you are saying, but I know which platform I've seen RWers reference more, and Musk is now openly using shitter to shill for trump. Zuck isn't doing that.

I don't use either, but I think if you need a one liner site, threads is still probably better.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
44. Mastodon has the advantage
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 05:05 PM
Aug 2024

of no corporate ownership.

More like a club than a corp, it seems.

Zuck is still a bad actor, just not as flamboyant and more cryptic than mux.

barbtries

(31,088 posts)
13. twitter was a lifesaver for me during TCFSF's administration
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:39 AM
Aug 2024

but I deleted my account when it was taken over by a right wing megalomaniac. Sometimes i go search youtube and find the videos if I'm unable to watch them from DU, but like you, I don't go there.

It's the biggest platform is why, but I find it lamentable as well. Other places tried but haven't managed to get the traction.

Prairie Gates

(7,121 posts)
19. I dumped Twitter the day Musk took over
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:46 AM
Aug 2024

Honestly, after a few days, you don't even realize that it's not in your life anymore. And, your life is much better, too. I could literally be getting dragged to hell and back on Twitter and my only response would be, "I don't care. I'm not on Twitter."

Once you refuse to give it power, it fades into nothingness. It's the fucking Wizard of Oz of public discourse.

Gore1FL

(22,810 posts)
22. Me having an account on Twitter doesn't make Elon lose less money that he otherwise would.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:49 AM
Aug 2024

However, me having an account on Twitter gives me access to content of like-minded liberals who also have accounts.

Musk is going to run the company into the ground whether or not I take advantage of the platform before then.

Kittycatkat

(1,764 posts)
26. I don't know, but I feel like hits and posts on x translate into advertising dollars.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 11:07 AM
Aug 2024

Giving a platform and supporting a platform of a billionaire bent on the destruction of democracy just seems like a really bad idea. Maybe I am 100% wrong on how these things work, as I have a very, very small profile on social media.

Gore1FL

(22,810 posts)
37. He is suing advertisers for not advertising with him. He's going to drive it into the ground.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 01:04 PM
Aug 2024

I see no reason to abandon a useful resource before it dies on its own.

SheltieLover

(76,059 posts)
24. I literally would not click an X link if it were the last source of info on the planet
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 10:52 AM
Aug 2024

Ty for posting this!

Xavier Breath

(6,405 posts)
31. I don't care if someone posts a thread that includes a tweet
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:01 PM
Aug 2024

but FFS do us all a favor and post a screenshot for the tweet along with the link. Actually, that should be a requirement here so that no one ever has to click on a tweet link to see what the thread is about. It doesn't seem like such a big ask.

C OH Dem

(39 posts)
33. I want to go green with my vehicles.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:37 PM
Aug 2024

Now I'm waiting for a company that really cares about their assemblers and their union, their customers and the environment.
It definitely isn't these asses!

Justice matters.

(9,266 posts)
35. Agreed he and billionaires like Theil are part of the problem, but...
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:44 PM
Aug 2024

X is a worldwide platform and sometimes it allows foreigners to post important information for some conservatives who are starting to realize they've been conned into a dangerous cult of personality to actually reject it and see the light.

For instance, this post on X from a Sweden citizen I made here, denouncing the fascist propaganda of the con man and his maga cult:


"I live in Sweden... We are not communists"

From Xitter:

"I live in Sweden. We have social-security, affordable healthcare, strick gun laws, 5 week paid annual leave and a year maternity leave. "A stay at the hospital for one night costs about $10. "Prescription drugs have an annual cap of $210. "We are not communists. We are socio-democratic, and our freedoms are not inhibited."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219350598



These posters don't know the alternatives to X and they were probably on Twitter before the muskrat took over. Their honest inputs remain important nonetheless.


Warpy

(114,359 posts)
36. Yes, Elon has jumped the shark lately
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 12:59 PM
Aug 2024

I keep thinking some Russian is leading him around by his dick now that Grimes is on her way out after producing 3 more kids for him.

I don't use Xitter because I don't like the platform, never did, even before Musk. My account died of neglect.

Cheezoholic

(3,502 posts)
39. Twitter's original format (most of pre-eloon existence) became a great platform for independent news/opinion
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 01:11 PM
Aug 2024

people, among thousands of others from every spectrum of social interests, to reach a wide enough audience to essentially exist either from Twitter generated revenue, or by giving them the ability to easily link to either their blogs, utube channels or actual websites, etc. that would generate small dollar revenue by simply "texting". You need to generate a lot of traffic to your blog/website or utube (who have now slashed across the board revenue for creators) to at least make a meager living at it.

While I never used it (I dumped social media at the turn of this century for the most part) I think it served a fairly free, safe and open space for the exchange of ideas via a simple text style platform. Like anything else (from the first carved stone spear tips to tech today) the allure of mass amounts of wealth consumed and monopolized it. I remember the huge outrage when the rumor mill started that it was going to go public even before Eloon showed interest, which made it worse.

Twitter had become the driver for 10's of thousands to make some kind of living on their own, from really serious people to the moronic, a virtual Alice's Restaurant if you will. But because this "public" square was owned by a private company (even though their product was technically free) that's where the problem lay and the owners of the company decided to cash out. This has always been one of the reasons I personally don't use, or rely as little as possible, on social media. The rug can be ripped out from under you in the blink of an eye and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

The Twitter space had become so large that when eloon bought it (I believe for the technical infrastructure to support his Starlink system more than for what it was) and turned it into an echo chamber for his ego, to this day there are still people who need it either to still try and drive revenue or just simply because it's easy.

I remember Mark Cuban's response when asked about eloon buying it. He said "look, he's got the money, it's a private company, if he wants it, he can buy it and do legally whatever he wants with it, eve shut it off the day he buys it. Its the risk you take when dealing with private entities". Besides, the number of hits generated from this message board to his platform are a miniscule drop in the xitter bucket. He ain't getting richer off of us. Just my 2 cents

CaptainTruth

(8,022 posts)
40. I create Lists & only view my Lists.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 02:10 PM
Aug 2024

For example, one List is all the news sources I trust, so I can easily see & scroll through the latest headlines. Another List is for legal matters, folks who follow & report on court cases, plus attorneys & law professors etc I like. Another is all pollsters & poll analysts so I can easily see the latest political polling every day.

By using Lists & only viewing my Lists I don't have to wade through all the random right-wing garbage.

Also, advertisers pay per engagement. Viewing & responding to their ad (making a comment) only costs them a few cents, but clicking on a video or web link costs them around 25 cents to 50 cents. So every time I see a right wing ad I click the link 20-30 times at least, so I'm wasting their money & reducing their exposure. Most have an ad budget, the total they'll pay for engagements, so if I use up 30 engagements worth of their budget their ad will show less times & reach less people. By now I've cost official GOP accounts hundreds of dollars & sabotaged thousands of ad exposures.

One added benefit of doing this is that some accounts apparently figured out what I was doing (heck, I would leave comments & tell them "I'm engaging to cost you $$$, now I'm going to click your link 30 times.&quot & I stopped seeing their ads. So, it's a good way to cleanse your ad feed & make the right wingers pay for it.

If enough Democrats did that, then every time a right wing organization ran an ad we could use up their ad budget on the first day & shut down their advertising. Some (many?) of those advertisers might question the value of giving their money to Musk for ads that were producing no results, which could help cut off one of the main income sources for Twitter/Musk. Twitter's income is already abysmal (down 85% since Musk bought it) & there are reports that soon Musk is going to have to sell a bunch of Tesla stock to prop up Twitter (taking money out of his own pocket), which will drive down the value of Tesla stock.

So, if enough Democrats got together on Twitter we could waste the money of right wing advertisers & sabotage their ad campaigns, reduce Twitter's ad revenue, pushing them closer to bankruptcy, & force Musk to use more of his own money (Tesla stock) to prop it up, driving down the value of Tesla stock. But why would Democrats be on Twitter?

hunter

(40,320 posts)
41. I'd banned Twitter from my browser before Musk bought it.
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 02:25 PM
Aug 2024

The signal to noise ration was unacceptable to me.

Too much noise.

Musk only made it worse.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
43. If you don't ever see any ads (I don't), or don't patronize X advertisers, you're just costing Elon money
Tue Aug 20, 2024, 03:28 PM
Aug 2024

Musk doesn't gain anything simply from you viewing something someone else posted there.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
48. Which MIGHT draw advertisers, but apparently aren't
Wed Aug 21, 2024, 04:37 PM
Aug 2024

Which is why the value of the company keeps tanking.

quakerboy

(14,696 posts)
45. I decline to click through on the ones i know are from there
Wed Aug 21, 2024, 04:24 PM
Aug 2024

Im not doing that any more than im going to buy a tesla or a starlink setup.

Im curious how long it will take for twitter to sink so badly they end up merging with truth social.

 

jujubeets

(80 posts)
51. There are two twitters
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 09:43 AM
Aug 2024

There's biased Twitter where you post and like so the algorithm can tailor your feed to you.

There's also what passes for unbiased where you don't click like nor do you comment. This is the way to benefit from Twitter if you want raw news before you could see it on TV. Twitter gets the scoops first for sure. MSM really seems to be slowly dying.

The problem is Musk has the algorithm skewed to what he wants. He didn't buy it not to use it to promote his personal and business interests. Under Musk, Twitter is his personal PR machine. So, even unbiased Twitter currently has a RW skewing.

How to fight it? Wait until our DU faithful filter the news you can use back to us by reading their posts.

sinkingfeeling

(57,024 posts)
52. Me too. All I can think about is the story line of the last season of
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 09:45 AM
Aug 2024

'Elementary', where a social media CEO uses tech to find who he thinks is a possible serial killer and then has them executed before they can act. I truly believe such a thing is possible when everyone's thoughts and threats can be accessed by one enity.

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