He joined the force after allegedly storming the Capitol. He was just arrested.

[RandySF]

John Carl and other rioters surrounded police officers near a set of stairs leading to the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, according to a recent criminal complaint. When officers tried to move Carl back, he resisted and grabbed an officer’s baton, federal prosecutors said.

Carl breached the Capitol that afternoon and entered Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.)’s office, the complaint said. He told a friend that police officers prevented further entry into the building, prosecutors said, so he exited the Capitol and later returned to his North Carolina home.

A few years later, Carl became a police officer himself in Pinetops, N.C., about 50 miles east of Raleigh.

However, Carl was suspended from his job after his arrest Thursday for his alleged actions during the Jan. 6 insurrection, Pinetops’s outside attorney, J. Brian Pridgen, said in a statement to The Washington Post. Carl, 41, was charged with a felony count of civil disorder and misdemeanors of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; and parading, picketing and demonstrating in a Capitol building. If convicted of the felony, he could be sentenced to up to five years in prison.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/08/20/january-6-capitol-riot-police-arrest/

[Clouds Passing]

1. We don't need cops like that.

[Skittles]

3. yup

anyone who makes that kind of bad decision cannot be trusted

[orthoclad]

5. But LEO draws them

- gang mentality
- being able to carry a gun and shoot to kill
- bully dignified with a badge

[Codifer]

9. This was the way

it was in the sixties. Busting hippies for pot was an industry that produced a big revenue stream for the city and local PD. A heaven for bullies and thieves and a boon to drawer searching freaks and panty sniffers.

[orthoclad]

10. You can't train away

that ol' KKK.

The usual solution to brutal cops is to give them more money, aka "training", often run by right-wing radicals.

We should administer physiological "inclination" tests to all recruit candidates.
Do scenes of violence, racism, bullying, and sexual assault make their hearts race and palms perspire? Out!

It's easy to tell a trainer what they want to hear. It's harder to lie with your body.

[mdbl]

26. Mandatory Body Cams are helping

They are curbing abusive behavior. All PD's need to be using them. Besides, it's entertaining to watch some of these crazy people on Youtube.

[Wonder Why]

27. Even with body cams, police car cams, cellphones and knowing there are ring cameras and CCTVs, some officers are so

dumb or care so little for other human beings, they beat or shoot victims anyway.

Sad.

[uponit7771]

37. +1, ... even worse, they're not dumb their leadership allows them to be unprofessional like the guy who shot the black

... women in her own house after apologizing kneeling down ... that, that guy had been already kicked out of 4 different PDs and ***SHOULD*** have been on suspension for violating his own PD policies.

The leadership knows the bad actors.

[uponit7771]

36. "Mandatory" not when they can easily subvert them by knocking them off or turning them off.

[mdbl]

43. which usually invalidates the arrest or charges and discipline the officers

I never said that there weren't bad actors, but this will help weed them out. As far as bad leaders, they need to go too.

[orthoclad]

47. There are a lot of reports of cops turning on their bodycam AFTER

they shoot someone.

Bodycams help, but it's better to screen out klansmen, rapists, and killers before giving them a gun.

[kiri]

34. cops get 6 weeks of training; barbers/hairdressers need 18 months

Here you must do 18 months of school/training to become a barber; cops need 6 weeks! In Germany and elsewhere in Europe you must do 2 years of training to become an LEO.

[Wonder Why]

38. But barbers/hairdressers don't carry guns so they need more training.

[orthoclad]

45. The 2WHiteA

doesn't cover shears.

[orthoclad]

46. Training won't change people with

serious personality defects. These are often the folks most attracted to legalized force and dominance. It's not hard to check off some boxes on training papers and fake it. They need to be detected and screened before giving them guns and authority.

This is why I propose psych screening, using autonomous body signals to detect potential problem behavior. If the candidate gets physically excited at scenes of violence, dominance, etc., DO NOT GIVE THEM A GUN.

[prodigitalson]

50. wouldn't a racing heart be normal in response to disturbing images? wouldn't a psychopath remain cold and unemotional?

[orthoclad]

52. If I were a psych pro,

I could give details on how to do it. I'm not. But I've had people hold ohmmeter probes in their hands, and there were clear, involuntary body responses detectable by a jumping needle when asked questions. A professional in the field could design an appropriate set of tests.

This is along the lines of a lie detector, which of course is not strong evidence in court, but enough to throw shade. People who show signs of stimulation at the wrong time should be considered risky and worth further investigation. When in doubt, don't hire.

It's easy for a klansman to fake it in a training session. It's harder to fake physical responses.

[prodigitalson]

53. sounds kinda scientology ish

[orthoclad]

54. No more so than polygraphs

This is science, not religion.

People have characteristic physical responses to stimuli. Use these responses to weed out klansmen, rapists, thugs. "Training" only works with honest people, who are able and willing to work on their implicit racism, e.g.

There's an awful lot of undercover klan-types bullshitting their way to guns and badges.

[prodigitalson]

55. "the idea that we can detect a person's veracity by monitoring psychophysiological changes is more myth than reality"

The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests)
Most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.

The accuracy (i.e., validity) of polygraph testing has long been controversial. An underlying problem is theoretical: There is no evidence that any pattern of physiological reactions is unique to deception. An honest person may be nervous when answering truthfully and a dishonest person may be non-anxious. Also, there are few good studies that validate the ability of polygraph procedures to detect deception.

https://www.apa.org/topics/cognitive-neuroscience/polygraph

[orthoclad]

57. Polygraphs can be unreliable

But if we witness positive reactions similar to sexual excitement, e.g., in a candidate exposed to scenes of brutality, that candidate bears close examination.

It's easy to lie to a trainer or interviewer. It's harder to conceal autonomous nervous system reactions.

[prodigitalson]

58. so who gets a chubby looking car crash photos?

[Gore1FL]

13. Police forces, motorcycles, pit bulls, and guns.

There is nothing wrong with any of the things I named. They do tend to attract the absolute last people that should be associated with them, though.

[JoseBalow]

16. Pit bulls always get a bad rap

[Wednesdays]

20. Indeed, I had a pittie until last September

She crossed the rainbow bridge at 17 years. Gentlest dog I ever had. Never snapped at or even growled at anyone or anything.

[JoseBalow]

21. My sweet blue-nose girl turns 14 this week

She's the sweetest, most loving dog I've ever met. I love her more than anything else in this world

[Evolve Dammit]

23. Priceless!

[Gore1FL]

29. They aren't bad in and of themselves.

Like guns, police forces, and motorcycles, they attract idiots.

[mucholderthandirt]

30. Yes, they do. People who mistreat dogs give them a bad name. I love pitties. Some of the best dogs I've ever known.

[uponit7771]

35. My fear is we have too many cops like this base off this account and the FBI report given to Obama, way too many racist

[Arne]

2. We need more stories when they catch and charge them.

I read every one and wish for maximum sentences.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Same Here

I want them to get every minute in the slammer that they can.

[malaise]

7. THIS

Rec

[orthoclad]

12. I want stories about prosecuting and jailing

the organizers, planners, and enablers. Ginni Thomas. Congresscritters. Local pols.

Six thousand people attacked what has to be one of the most-surveilled buildings on Earth. They were sent home with love, after bloodying the defenders, when they should have been kettled on-spot. About only 1/4 of these shock troops/cannon fodder have been jailed. Their generals walk free. Hell, they took the House.

[DENVERPOPS]

18. I am still of the belief

that if the cops had started "dropping" the Insurrectionists and Seditionists the moment they came through the doors or windows, the rest of them, being chicken shits, would have run with their tails between their legs.......If nothing else, the pile of dead fellow MAGAts would have prevented any more from coming in to the building........
If they had reached Pence and his secret service detail, everyone who came forward would have been DOA.....Secret Service Agents, on a protective detail, probably carry much more firepower than their handguns......and they don't take prisoners.......

[mucholderthandirt]

32. Yep. My first thought was, if those were black people they'd all be dead by now. Why did it get that far?

[orthoclad]

44. If the cops had used a typical level of force

that they used on Occupy and BLM, the invasion would have halted.

But it would have escalated; there was at least one ar15 spotted in the area being wielded.

Escalation would have given T the means to use the Insurrection Act, with his quick reaction force of dedicated zanies just across the river.

A hard call. But at the very least, they should have kettled and captured the crowd at the scene of the crime. Instead, DOJ has been relying on citizen volunteers to smoke out about 1/4 of the crowd.

Then Garland would have used all these millions of capture-the-thug work-hours pursuing and prosecuting the coup planners. (OK, I have a sense of humor)

[sakabatou]

6. You'd think the department would go through his arrest record before becoming an officer, right?

[onenote]

8. He was just arrested last week -- he was hired in June 2023

Information is in the linked story.

[sakabatou]

11. Sorry, I don't have an account with WaPo

If he was there, but not arrested, the criminal complaint should've been cited or at least counted as a yellow/red flag.

[onenote]

15. The criminal complaint is something that would be issued at the time of his arrest.

The article refers to it as a "recent" criminal complaint, which means that it almost certainly wasn't issued before he was hired in 2023.

You seem intent on finding fault with his being hired, rather than being glad he was suspended pending an investigation now that the information has come to light. If he's convicted, I have no doubt he'll be dismissed from the force.

[sakabatou]

19. I'm glad he was suspended.

That should've been obvious. Next time, I'll be clear.

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

33. I find fault with

the Nazi being hired as a policeman. Yes, I'm glad the feds arrested the Nazi as well.

[onenote]

40. And how would the police know he was a "nazi" when they hired him?

He was hired over a year before he was arrested.

[Celerity]

31. here

https://archive.ph/VaHiE

[AverageOldGuy]

14. Another example of:

FAFO

[flying-skeleton]

17. If you can't do the time....

...... Don't do the crime!

[Cha]

22. HAHA... Domestic Terrorist!!

TY!

[Permanut]

24. Okay, so a felony conviction carries a five year prison sentence..

Just wondering how much time a criminal would do for more felonies - say, 34 of them just as a random example.

[onenote]

41. Depends on how the felony is classified by the state. There are a wide range of felonies.

Trump was convicted of Class E felonies -- the lowest level felony in New York.

[Permanut]

42. Roger that, thanks for the info..

Wishful thinking on my part.

[republianmushroom]

25. John your application to Fed. U and the felon club has been accepted.

You will be notified if they are accepted.

[marble falls]

28. Hiding in plain sight? "It's not wrong until I get arrested for it"?

[DFW]

39. We'll never know, of course

But we can all assume that there will be several fewer cases of criminally aggressive police behavior if this guy is never allowed to don a police uniform ever again.

[ffr]

48. His oath was to protect and to serve, but I suppose that'll be his excuse

I was just an ordinary anti-citizen anti-American in 2021, before I swore to take an oath.

Asshole!

[oasis]

49. Tough luck pal

[CoopersDad]

51. Wow. K//R

[GoodRaisin]

56. Good to get him out of Pinetops' police before he bullies the citizens.