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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you seriously believe Trump will leave the country if he loses the election?
It has been mentioned several times but I believe it is a likely possibility.
Because he does not want to be tried in a court of law.
Just recently, in passing, he mentioned that he might have to go to Venezuela. He asked the hosts on NewsMax if they might want to go with him? Wherever he goes, it would be good to have his own propaganda with him, I suppose?
If he loses the election, he may not want to depend on his political allies to defend him. Because he will not have that many allies if he loses. A winner has a thousand fathers but a loser is an orphan, to paraphrase an old saying.
So, if he loses, I would say there is a good possibility that he will try to skip the country. But I doubt that he would go to Venezuela.
he lives off his MAGAt rubes
Fiendish Thingy
(23,240 posts)Hes not going anywhere.
kentuck
(115,407 posts)With the threat of jailtime?
You may be right.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,240 posts)I think its definitely possible once Harris is elected, but not a sure thing.
I just know its highly unlikely he will flee the country.
His assets would be frozen/seized/sold, so how would he live?
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)Enter stage left
(4,562 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,144 posts)Private Jet, boat from MAL.
I don't think he would flee. Where would he find adequate space for his ego?
DFW
(60,189 posts)The USA has always been one of the most liberal countries with regard to its citizens being able to leave whenever their hearts desired. My German friends always used to marvel at that, where just next door to them in the "True Existing Socialism on German Soil," their fellow Germans to the East were shot dead for trying to cross the border.
On the other hand to enter the USA from another country, you have to produce a passport. If his got seized, then even if he left, he should be treated like any other undocumented person trying to enter the country without legitimate papers.
What I wouldn't give for a video of that scene! Trump gets off a plane that he had to charter, since no airline would check him in without a passport. He then tries to bluff his way through immigration, saying, "look, don't you know who I am?" The CBP officer then laughs and says, "Do you think you're the first undocumented person trying to bluff their way into entering the United States without a passport? Just because you won some Trump lookalike contest? Show me a valid passport or get right back on that plane and go back where you came from."
Ocelot II
(130,538 posts)if he's living in a country that he'd call a "shithole" because those are the ones that don't have extradition treaties with the US, and his assets have been seized?
Justice matters.
(9,790 posts)The convicted felon, if his sentences are dismissed, could go to the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia and either buy or rent a modern penthouse condominium there, in the most luxurious parts of the biggest cities, without having to interact with the peasants of those countries he despises.
For instance, You can enter Dubai and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) with a criminal record. But, the crime must not have been committed in Dubai and you need to have served the entirety of the sentence.
BigMin28
(1,859 posts)I still do not believe he will ever be confined to a prison or jail. I really want to be wrong, but I don't think he will ever be truly held accountable.
Diamond_Dog
(40,579 posts)He cant live anywhere where he isnt the center of attention and he doesnt live a luxurious lifestyle.
Plus, he will never admit he did anything wrong -;why should he leave?
This all is just his usual b.s. and lies.
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Justice matters.
(9,790 posts)he should get his passport seized until all cases are resolved and his sentences done if any. Until then, the convicted felon remains a flight risk.
A criminal record could jeopardise your chances of working, studying or going on holiday abroad.
The implications vary between countries. But there are lots of popular locations that might not let you get a visa if you have a criminal record. Heres everything you need to know.
https://www.confused.com/travel-insurance/guides/travel-abroad-with-criminal-conviction#:~:text=Can%20you%20go%20to%20Dubai,the%20entirety%20of%20the%20sentence.
Travel Restrictions for Convicted Felons (PDF file)
https://www.paep.uscourts.gov/sites/paep/files/Convicted_Felons.pdf
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)and loses the election in November. He will not go to prison. He has the means to run and he will.
Phoenix61
(18,829 posts)birdographer
(2,937 posts)He thrives on attention and chaos. What is he going to do in any other country? He is not an under-the-radar kind of asshole. He needs his cult, he needs to feel like he is a dictator, even if it is only for his moron followers to worship him. No way. He will whine and complain and draw out the courts' time till he finally keels over, which can't come too soon for me.
Justice matters.
(9,790 posts)With his buddies billionaires, that is.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)LeftInTX
(34,302 posts)Much more was at stake for him after Jan 6th. But he stayed.
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)So, no.
JackSabbath
(179 posts)He's also out on bail. If he leaves he forfeits bond. Assets seized and all that fun stuff. I think he should try it just for the comedy.
ananda
(35,152 posts)and he always tells the truth.
Harhar
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)The only reason for Trump to flee is IMPENDING incarceration. Sadly, even after Trump loses the election, hard consequences are (so very sadly) a long way off yet. He'll drag appeals out for another year or two at least before maybe, just maybe, some judge tells him to report to "prison" (which might be no worse than house arrest).
If and when hard consequences are finally on Trump's doorstep, he'll have to actually admit to himself that his options have run out, there aren't more games he can play, and that, if jailed, a furious mob won't storm the prison to break him out, then make him King.
Put together imminent threat of imprisonment and somehow Trump getting scared enough to believe he's got no more good plays left, yes, then he'd flee.
Dan
(5,180 posts)Then he should be considered a major security threat and treated as such.
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)B.See
(8,505 posts)to grift, con, and bamboozle his willfully deluded devotees from ABROAD.
Otherwise, no.
Rstrstx
(1,648 posts)Hell spend his final days as President of Mar-a-lago, they may even set up a fake Oval Office for him (they did it for Fred). And no matter the year all the calendars will say 2017.
Cartoonist
(7,579 posts)Magats can learn how to send money to another country.
There are skilled hackers that can probably get his funds to him.
He may still have value to an unscrupulous country.
His kids can visit him.
Klarkashton
(5,295 posts)Bayard
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EllieBC
(3,639 posts)Americans always have this weird idea you can just move to another country and theyll just let you stay.
Not only that but this is the only place he gets attention. Hes not giving that up.
larwdem
(907 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)and they would need to sponsor him, because his asserts would be seized but they have the means to do it. They were happy to take in the traitor Snowden. And Mariia Butina got a hero's welcome. They would have a lot of fun hosting a U.S. president in exile that would be a coup for them. A puppet they could trot out for amusement.
Likely? Not very. Possible? Certainly.
Volaris
(11,705 posts)But only AFTER the certification doesn't go his way.
I'm guessing, Saudi first, and then Jordan after the cash is transferred (is a non-extradition country with the west).
After that, it will take either Batman or a seal team to get him back here for a sentencing hearing.
If it were me, an unmarked jet would already be fueled on standby at Miami international...but he's an order of magnitude dumber than I am so really, who knows.
LeftInTX
(34,302 posts)Zoomie1986
(1,213 posts)He won't like living anyplace where people 'talk funny,' and he's too stupid to learn a foreign language.
Only Russia is a white non-extradition country, and Vlad is done with him if he loses. Too cold for golf for too much of the year, anyway.
The other non-extradition countries are brown, and a bunch of them are Muslim. Yeah, he's going to enjoy living in those places. People want to think Saudi Arabia or Dubai would take him, but they won't. They know he's an international incident waiting to happen. They don't want the hassle of him.
Other countries have their own celebrity cultures, and he's not part of it. He'll hate that they're not impressed with him. Many of them, including the sh*tholes, also have real journalists who won't coddle him. He'll hate that, too.
He's not going anywhere.
Diraven
(1,904 posts)If he's actually sentenced to prison before he dies of old age (which probably won't happen), DeSantis will just refuse to extradite him.