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kentuck

(115,407 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:44 PM Aug 2024

Do you seriously believe Trump will leave the country if he loses the election?

It has been mentioned several times but I believe it is a likely possibility.

Because he does not want to be tried in a court of law.

Just recently, in passing, he mentioned that he might have to go to Venezuela. He asked the hosts on NewsMax if they might want to go with him? Wherever he goes, it would be good to have his own propaganda with him, I suppose?

If he loses the election, he may not want to depend on his political allies to defend him. Because he will not have that many allies if he loses. A winner has a thousand fathers but a loser is an orphan, to paraphrase an old saying.

So, if he loses, I would say there is a good possibility that he will try to skip the country. But I doubt that he would go to Venezuela.

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Do you seriously believe Trump will leave the country if he loses the election? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2024 OP
no Skittles Aug 2024 #1
Silly nonsense. Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #2
Then you must believe he will never be tried for any of his crimes? kentuck Aug 2024 #5
At this point I don't know if he ever will go to trial Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #21
thank you... WarGamer Aug 2024 #33
No, I don't think he will, but I'll celebrate for the rest of my life if he does. Enter stage left Aug 2024 #3
I don't think seizing his passport would be any barrier bucolic_frolic Aug 2024 #4
Not to leaving, maybe. Returning is another matter. DFW Aug 2024 #39
Ridiculous. How is he going to keep grifting from his cult Ocelot II Aug 2024 #6
"shithole" is about the peasants living in there, not about him. Justice matters. Aug 2024 #14
He won't leave BigMin28 Aug 2024 #7
He won't Diamond_Dog Aug 2024 #8
No. Celerity Aug 2024 #9
With his 34 convicted felonies and still about 50 criminal indictments pending Justice matters. Aug 2024 #10
I think he will run if he is sentenced to prison in September Demobrat Aug 2024 #11
One can only hope. nt Phoenix61 Aug 2024 #12
Nope birdographer Aug 2024 #13
What is he going to do? Cheat at golf, like always. Justice matters. Aug 2024 #15
Not a chance. He needs his comfort zone. Solly Mack Aug 2024 #16
No! He didn't move after he lost the last election. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #17
It would be tricky for him to lose his SS detail long enough to make his get away. GoodRaisin Aug 2024 #18
Correct answer! JackSabbath Aug 2024 #19
He said he would go to Venezuela... ananda Aug 2024 #20
I've got mixed feelings about it. I certainly doubt he'd leave right away after losing RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #22
If he leaves the Country Dan Aug 2024 #23
Where would he go Tribetime Aug 2024 #24
Only if he could continue B.See Aug 2024 #25
No, he's headed the way of his father Rstrstx Aug 2024 #26
Grifter in Exile Cartoonist Aug 2024 #27
Dare to dream. Klarkashton Aug 2024 #28
Karma Bayard Aug 2024 #29
No. Where the hell would he go? EllieBC Aug 2024 #30
God I hope so larwdem Aug 2024 #31
The only place thst comes to mind is Russia, Qutzupalotl Aug 2024 #32
Yes, he will fled, 100% Volaris Aug 2024 #34
He likes having Secret Service waiting on him too much. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #35
It's extremely UNlikely Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #36
He'll just stay in Florida Diraven Aug 2024 #37
I don't think international travel is allowed for people in prison. NNadir Aug 2024 #38
How would he escape secret service? Wouldn't they go to jail if proven they LET him escape? FlyingPiggy Aug 2024 #40

kentuck

(115,407 posts)
5. Then you must believe he will never be tried for any of his crimes?
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:49 PM
Aug 2024

With the threat of jailtime?

You may be right.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,240 posts)
21. At this point I don't know if he ever will go to trial
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 11:37 PM
Aug 2024

I think it’s definitely possible once Harris is elected, but not a sure thing.

I just know it’s highly unlikely he will flee the country.

His assets would be frozen/seized/sold, so how would he live?

bucolic_frolic

(55,144 posts)
4. I don't think seizing his passport would be any barrier
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:49 PM
Aug 2024

Private Jet, boat from MAL.

I don't think he would flee. Where would he find adequate space for his ego?

DFW

(60,189 posts)
39. Not to leaving, maybe. Returning is another matter.
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 04:43 AM
Aug 2024

The USA has always been one of the most liberal countries with regard to its citizens being able to leave whenever their hearts desired. My German friends always used to marvel at that, where just next door to them in the "True Existing Socialism on German Soil," their fellow Germans to the East were shot dead for trying to cross the border.

On the other hand to enter the USA from another country, you have to produce a passport. If his got seized, then even if he left, he should be treated like any other undocumented person trying to enter the country without legitimate papers.

What I wouldn't give for a video of that scene! Trump gets off a plane that he had to charter, since no airline would check him in without a passport. He then tries to bluff his way through immigration, saying, "look, don't you know who I am?" The CBP officer then laughs and says, "Do you think you're the first undocumented person trying to bluff their way into entering the United States without a passport? Just because you won some Trump lookalike contest? Show me a valid passport or get right back on that plane and go back where you came from."

Ocelot II

(130,538 posts)
6. Ridiculous. How is he going to keep grifting from his cult
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:49 PM
Aug 2024

if he's living in a country that he'd call a "shithole" because those are the ones that don't have extradition treaties with the US, and his assets have been seized?

Justice matters.

(9,790 posts)
14. "shithole" is about the peasants living in there, not about him.
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 10:06 PM
Aug 2024

The convicted felon, if his sentences are dismissed, could go to the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia and either buy or rent a modern penthouse condominium there, in the most luxurious parts of the biggest cities, without having to interact with the peasants of those countries he despises.

For instance, You can enter Dubai and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) with a criminal record. But, the crime must not have been committed in Dubai and you need to have served the entirety of the sentence.

BigMin28

(1,859 posts)
7. He won't leave
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:51 PM
Aug 2024

I still do not believe he will ever be confined to a prison or jail. I really want to be wrong, but I don't think he will ever be truly held accountable.

Diamond_Dog

(40,579 posts)
8. He won't
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:53 PM
Aug 2024

He can’t live anywhere where he isn’t the center of attention and he doesn’t live a luxurious lifestyle.

Plus, he will never admit he did anything wrong -;why should he leave?

This all is just his usual b.s. and lies.
.

Justice matters.

(9,790 posts)
10. With his 34 convicted felonies and still about 50 criminal indictments pending
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:57 PM
Aug 2024

he should get his passport seized until all cases are resolved and his sentences done if any. Until then, the convicted felon remains a flight risk.

Where can I travel with a criminal record?

A criminal record could jeopardise your chances of working, studying or going on holiday abroad.

The implications vary between countries. But there are lots of popular locations that might not let you get a visa if you have a criminal record. Here’s everything you need to know.

https://www.confused.com/travel-insurance/guides/travel-abroad-with-criminal-conviction#:~:text=Can%20you%20go%20to%20Dubai,the%20entirety%20of%20the%20sentence.



Travel Restrictions for Convicted Felons (PDF file)
https://www.paep.uscourts.gov/sites/paep/files/Convicted_Felons.pdf

Demobrat

(10,299 posts)
11. I think he will run if he is sentenced to prison in September
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 09:58 PM
Aug 2024

and loses the election in November. He will not go to prison. He has the means to run and he will.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
13. Nope
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 10:05 PM
Aug 2024

He thrives on attention and chaos. What is he going to do in any other country? He is not an under-the-radar kind of asshole. He needs his cult, he needs to feel like he is a dictator, even if it is only for his moron followers to worship him. No way. He will whine and complain and draw out the courts' time till he finally keels over, which can't come too soon for me.

LeftInTX

(34,302 posts)
17. No! He didn't move after he lost the last election.
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 10:16 PM
Aug 2024

Much more was at stake for him after Jan 6th. But he stayed.

GoodRaisin

(10,922 posts)
18. It would be tricky for him to lose his SS detail long enough to make his get away.
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 10:18 PM
Aug 2024

So, no.

JackSabbath

(179 posts)
19. Correct answer!
Fri Aug 23, 2024, 10:25 PM
Aug 2024

He's also out on bail. If he leaves he forfeits bond. Assets seized and all that fun stuff. I think he should try it just for the comedy.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
22. I've got mixed feelings about it. I certainly doubt he'd leave right away after losing
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:07 AM
Aug 2024

The only reason for Trump to flee is IMPENDING incarceration. Sadly, even after Trump loses the election, hard consequences are (so very sadly) a long way off yet. He'll drag appeals out for another year or two at least before maybe, just maybe, some judge tells him to report to "prison" (which might be no worse than house arrest).

If and when hard consequences are finally on Trump's doorstep, he'll have to actually admit to himself that his options have run out, there aren't more games he can play, and that, if jailed, a furious mob won't storm the prison to break him out, then make him King.

Put together imminent threat of imprisonment and somehow Trump getting scared enough to believe he's got no more good plays left, yes, then he'd flee.

Dan

(5,180 posts)
23. If he leaves the Country
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:08 AM
Aug 2024

Then he should be considered a major security threat and treated as such.

B.See

(8,505 posts)
25. Only if he could continue
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:33 AM
Aug 2024

to grift, con, and bamboozle his willfully deluded devotees from ABROAD.

Otherwise, no.

Rstrstx

(1,648 posts)
26. No, he's headed the way of his father
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:41 AM
Aug 2024

He’ll spend his final days as President of Mar-a-lago, they may even set up a fake Oval Office for him (they did it for Fred). And no matter the year all the calendars will say 2017.

Cartoonist

(7,579 posts)
27. Grifter in Exile
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:45 AM
Aug 2024

Magats can learn how to send money to another country.
There are skilled hackers that can probably get his funds to him.
He may still have value to an unscrupulous country.
His kids can visit him.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
30. No. Where the hell would he go?
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 12:55 AM
Aug 2024

Americans always have this weird idea you can just move to another country and they’ll just let you stay.

Not only that but this is the only place he gets attention. He’s not giving that up.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
32. The only place thst comes to mind is Russia,
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 01:40 AM
Aug 2024

and they would need to “sponsor” him, because his asserts would be seized — but they have the means to do it. They were happy to take in the traitor Snowden. And Mariia Butina got a hero's welcome. They would have a lot of fun hosting a U.S. president in exile — that would be a coup for them. A puppet they could trot out for amusement.

Likely? Not very. Possible? Certainly.

Volaris

(11,705 posts)
34. Yes, he will fled, 100%
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 01:48 AM
Aug 2024

But only AFTER the certification doesn't go his way.
I'm guessing, Saudi first, and then Jordan after the cash is transferred (is a non-extradition country with the west).
After that, it will take either Batman or a seal team to get him back here for a sentencing hearing.
If it were me, an unmarked jet would already be fueled on standby at Miami international...but he's an order of magnitude dumber than I am so really, who knows.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
36. It's extremely UNlikely
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 02:05 AM
Aug 2024

He won't like living anyplace where people 'talk funny,' and he's too stupid to learn a foreign language.

Only Russia is a white non-extradition country, and Vlad is done with him if he loses. Too cold for golf for too much of the year, anyway.

The other non-extradition countries are brown, and a bunch of them are Muslim. Yeah, he's going to enjoy living in those places. People want to think Saudi Arabia or Dubai would take him, but they won't. They know he's an international incident waiting to happen. They don't want the hassle of him.

Other countries have their own celebrity cultures, and he's not part of it. He'll hate that they're not impressed with him. Many of them, including the sh*tholes, also have real journalists who won't coddle him. He'll hate that, too.

He's not going anywhere.

Diraven

(1,904 posts)
37. He'll just stay in Florida
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 02:06 AM
Aug 2024

If he's actually sentenced to prison before he dies of old age (which probably won't happen), DeSantis will just refuse to extradite him.

FlyingPiggy

(3,748 posts)
40. How would he escape secret service? Wouldn't they go to jail if proven they LET him escape?
Sat Aug 24, 2024, 04:43 AM
Aug 2024
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