And that's why there are no bomb shelters in Gaza ...

[digsub]

Tactical civilian sacrifice.

[Oopsie Daisy]

1. This is a "MUST WATCH" video/discussion. The Hamas practice of "Tactical Civilian Sacrifice" is despicable.

I and others have been saying this all along... but this video explains it very clearly. The civilian deaths in Gaza are exactly what Hamas wants. They hide among civilians, they stockpile weapons among civilians, and they intentionally place civilians in harms way for the propaganda value.

[LostinRed]

2. It was mentioned at the start

I remember hearing about this at the start of the war but it doesn’t get mentioned now. Hamas is evil and must be eradicated not just for the safety of Israel but the Palestinians in Gaza.

[Oopsie Daisy]

3. Kick.

Where are the Hamas defenders and supporters? It's very quiet in here.

[msongs]

4. ummm the problem is the bombs in the first place. nt

[PeaceWave]

5. Good point. Hamas should stop targeting Israel with so many bombs and missiles.

[msongs]

6. yes they should. the people dropping the bombs are respnsible for the outcomes nt

[Behind the Aegis]

7. No need.

Only one side is evil, white oppressive colonizers. Besides, Israelis HAVE bomb shelters.

[Cha]

13. Hamas should Never Have Targeted Israelis on Oct 7

and then Used Palestinians for "Tactical civilian sacrifice."

[sarisataka]

9. Maybe hamas should not pick fights with people who were willing to fight back

I know there are many that believe the people responsible for so many ills of the world from Communism to the black plague to the death of Christ are evil and should merely be passive victims.

Unfortunately, for those who hold that viewpoint they are humans just like everyone deserve the right to live, notwithstanding false accusations.

[Cha]

12. No, in the First GD Place was Hamas.. there's

No Excusing Hamas.

[Torchlight]

20. Whose?

[betsuni]

8. K&R

[LexVegas]

10. They uae schools and hospitals as barracks and command posts. nt

[Cha]

11. Thank You this, digsub. "Tactical civilian sacrifice."

So Obvious!

[soandso]

14. The video is obviously true

So, why did Israel oblige, like a puppet, and do what Hamas wanted? They didn't have to. They could have responded by publicly asking Hamas what it was they wanted in exchange for letting the hostages go. By not responding with violence, they could have the ball in Hamas' court as the whole world watched. Instead, they immediately began collective punishment and wanton destruction, bringing about the intense criticism they face now. They never considered other options.

[sarisataka]

15. Why didn't the US ask

Japan what made them so upset after the Pearl Harbor attack. We didn't have to declare war.

Hamas has told Isreal what they want... no Isreal.

"While the world watched" That’s what happened the last time someone tried to eradicate Jews, the world watched. Isreal knows the "world" will not come to their aid. You might remember after October 7 the UN response was 'that was a horrible attack but you know, it really was your own fault'

[iemanja]

16. The US ending up commiting unparalleled atrocities

by dropping two nuclear weapons. Is that your benchmark for appropriate behavior?

[sarisataka]

18. I do not advocate the use of nuclear weapons

I gather your opinion is World War II was a mistake on the part of the US?

[iemanja]

19. No, I do not

I believe the US should have entered the war sooner, but the US did not need to drop those nukes on Japan.
Striking back against Japan after Pearl Harbor was FDR's way of getting into the war in the face of isolationism. I don't blame him for that.

[sarisataka]

21. I disagree, but that is a different debate

Getting back more to the point, Hamas wants Israel gone. Should they dissolve the country and trust a Hamas led government will allow Jews to live in peace?

[iemanja]

22. dissolve which country?

[sarisataka]

27. Israel

That is Hamas stated, non-negotiable goal- the elimination of the Zionist entity.

[iemanja]

29. Of course not

and it's not even a point of discussion in the negotiations around a cease fire.

[sarisataka]

32. True it has nothing to do with the cease fire

But would have a lot to do with what was said in post fourteen. Which is after a thousand people were raped and murdered, hundreds of hostages taken israel should have just said "what do we need to do to get them back".

Negotiating with terrorists whose ultimate goal is your destruction doesn't sound very promising

[iemanja]

34. It is unfortunately necessary to get the hostages back

and end this horrific war. Civilians on both sides of the conflict are begging the leaders to come to a compromise.

I do agree that the other poster's point about immediately negotiating is unrealistic. That said, I don't think Israel needed to turn all of Gaza into a graveyard. Bibi's response has been excessive, and I believe him to be a sociopath. I think another leader would have been more measured in response.

[sarisataka]

36. D'accord nt

[Cha]

24. Well Said.. TY

[soandso]

25. Oct 7 was not an attempt to eradicate Israel

But to bait them into doing harm to themselves. Out of roughly 240 hostages, 109 are still in Gaza (dead and alive) and it's also obvious that getting them back is not a priority for Netanyahu and other hard liners. What harm would have come from beginning with negotiations?

[Cha]

26. That is Hamas goal To Wipe out Israel.. so it was "an Attempt'

[Cha]

23. Theree's No Excusses for Hamas.. Israel is no GD "puppet".. Fucking Hamas

Didn't have to Commit Mass Slaughter and Rape of Innocent Israelis on October 7.

Why doesn't Hamas have Bomb Shelters... that's right... They Sacrifice their own People in an attempt to Wipe out Israel.

[soandso]

28. I'm not disputing that Hamas are terrorists

and that Oct 7 was an atrocity. I'm only saying that Israel could have tried negotiations first. By playing into Hamas' hands and responding with maximum violence and collective punishment, they did exactly what Hamas wanted. That's a puppet.

[Cha]

30. There's No Exucsing Hamas Not having ANY Bomb Shelters for the Civilians

that they are Willin g to Sacrifice.

[soandso]

31. I agree

But they are terrorists and run Gaza like a Mafia so that's a moot point.

[Cha]

33. No.. it's Not "moot".

[Oopsie Daisy]

35. Yes... and with the Munich Agreement in 1938 *

Yes... and with the Munich Agreement in 1938, Hitler assured the European powers that the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia was his last territorial claim. "I'll stop after this... promise."

[soandso]

37. What's your point?

Are you saying that negotiations should never tried first?

[Oopsie Daisy]

39. Please. I'm in no mood to play games. It's very clear what Hamas wants.

And you know perfectly well what that is.

[soandso]

40. You didn't answer the question

I'm not playing games, either (odd remark on your part). You seem to be making the point that negotiations should never be tried, first, and that parties in conflict to immediately escalate to total war. Is that what you're implying?

[Oopsie Daisy]

42. You already know the answer. Their objective is clear. I trust that you're smarter than that.

I'm in no mood for these types of "explain yourself" and "please provide links and photos" games. Ugh.

[iemanja]

17. Hamas is evil, yet knowing this

knowing what the speakers in the film are saying, Israel played right into their hands.

[Dan]

38. Well, I don't know what the solution will be over there, I

just know that I don't want my son dying for their solution.

[soandso]

41. I don't know, either

but it doesn't look promising. I read the Israeli papers, along with the comments, and people are dug into their positions. Neither Israel nor Hamas wants to end this conflict.

Regarding the remark about your son, I was stunned when Israel recently stated that if they get into a direct conflict with Iran that they expected the US, UK and France to get involved. I wasn't shocked that they expect it but at their arrogance and daring to state it openly.

[Demsrule86]

43. Oh please...we have no such agreement.

Hamas sucks...Netanyahu sucks...

[soandso]

44. The US doesn't even have any treaties with Israel

As far as getting involved in a war with war with Iran, lets hope not! I think that would be a fluid thing and Israel has solid bi-partisan support but getting directly involved (US forces) in a war with Iran would be a huge step and a disaster.

[Cha]

45. I know.... I don't either or anyone's son.

[Cha]

46. Kick.. TY!