The DNC Didn't Let Any Palestinians Speak About The Carnage In Gaza.....

[global1]

at the convention.

I've heard talking heads speculate as to reasons why earlier today on the MSM.

I'm wondering if the Dems running their campaign have some intelligence as to how the Tr**p campaign would react to Kamala speaking about that at the convention.

I'm thinking they want to sharpen their position on this issue so that she can use it at the upcoming debate.

I don't think they want to flesh out their position now so they don't give Tr**p any ammunition to pounce on her before the debate.

We all know they are waiting for some issue to pounce on Kamala and this is a highly charged issue.

Waiting for the debate will give them time to perhaps maybe even take advantage of any breakthroughs on a cease fire; hostage exchange and maybe even some bigger resolution.

[MaryMagdaline]

1. This was Kamala Harris's convention. She wasn't about to let people speak who called her mentor

“Genocide Joe.” She had a very carefully crafted message that SHE presented in her acceptance speech:
1. Israel will always have a right to defend itself
2. She will never withhold the means for Israel to defend itself (no embargo)
3. The hostages must be released
4. October 7 was a terrorist attack with vicious atrocities including rape
5. The Palestinians have suffered too much
6. We need a cease fire
7. Palestinians need autonomy (two state solution) without terrorists (Hamas)

I wouldn’t in a million years give a platform to people who would attack our Democratic leadership or even if well-intended, mistate our government’s policy on Palestine.

So far, Harris has been unbelievably astute - coalescing democratic support, ignoring mainstream press, choosing Tim Walz, ignoring JFK Jr, ignoring Teamster President, insisting on debate already scheduled. No one gets to dictate terms to her and I’m really really impressed by this.

[Walleye]

27. I agree with all of that

[LiberalFighter]

36. Did the Teamsters president speak at the Democratic convention?

[MaryMagdaline]

47. No. He spoke at RNC and ticked off the membership and other unions

He waited for his invitation to DNC which never came.

UAW came though and hit it out of the park.

[LiberalFighter]

57. Glad he didn't speak.

He was a dumb ass to speak at the RNC.

[JohnSJ]

49. Last time we gave a seat at the table to those who didn't like the Democratic position

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was 2016, and Cornel West who was one of those people, immediately left the convention and endorsed Jill Stein and urged others to do likewise.

We would not want another repeat of 2016

[MaryMagdaline]

50. Exactly!

[Hekate]

74. Damn right

[betsuni]

82. Absolutely.

[Historic NY]

101. It time to kick them to the side show

[JohnSJ]

102. Exactly. It will only be the MSM that will try to exploit them, but by

now it should be obvious that we will set the path forward, not the MSM.

[DFW]

80. Harris was absolutely correct

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People who shouted, “Genocide Joe,” or who let themselves be represented by such people, are out of place at a convention that both honored Joe Biden, and then nominated his second in command to lead our country. Members of Likud were not invited to speak, either. Nor were Tibetians, Uighurs, Rohingya or other foreign victims of injustice. This was NOT their forum. This was OUR forum.

We need to work to get Harris/Walz elected, or else there won’t even BE an American government interested in listening to the grievances of oppressed peoples elsewhere. If Trump gets back in, even great numbers of oppressed Americans (WOMEN, for example?) will be ignored, and not one “Genocide Donald” will be heard while Trump’s pal Bibi would interpret a second Trump term as a signal to fire at will.

[LeftInTX]

83. Agree! Armenians were not invited and we just lost a war. Some of it is to blame on a Democrat:

One Henry Cuellar. (Who lobbied for Azerbaijan)

No one wants to hear how Armenia lost a war and ethnically cleansed at a Democratic convention, nor do they want to hear about Cuellar or Menendez etc.

[betsuni]

84. Yes, was NOT a convention about foreign victims of injustice and the many wars going on around the globe.

[kansasobama]

2. Protesters talking about genocide Biden is a non starter

When you want to focus on the real issue of Gaza carnage, starting it with slogans helping Trump is poor politics.

[tritsofme]

3. Thank goodness. It was a great convention, VP Harris is too smart to give a platform to Hamas apologists.

Those idiots spent the last year slurring Biden and Harris as “Genocide Joe” and “Killer Kamala” no way they were getting on the stage.

[Hekate]

41. Damn right

[LeftInTX]

4. Putting maggots in the delegates food is a huge non-starter to me!

[iemanja]

8. Why do you conflate delegates with people who put maggots in the food?

That doesn't make sense to me.

[LeftInTX]

11. The uncommitted delegates didn't even bother to denounce or condemn it.

Didn't say anything negative about it.

Shouldn't they have said something?

Some protesters got into the Fairmont, hid in a closet and put maggots in the delegates buffet.


They also didn't say anything about the protester who used a sledgehammer to break the fencing at United Center. Bringing a sledgehammer to a protest is also a non-starter to me.

[iemanja]

12. Yes, they should have

but that is not the same as saying they did it. I doubt you have any evidence to suggest they did, or we would have read about it in the papers. We'll find out who the culprits are as the FBI investigates.

[LeftInTX]

13. I don't think delegates did the maggots, but they did not say anything negative about the protests.

The sledgehammer is on video.

Protesters put maggots in Netanyahu's food last month and posted it online. That's why they think it was protesters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/07/24/watergate-hotel-protest-maggots-netanyahu-visit/


I also saw video of protesters harassing delegates: "Shame on you! Shame on you!"

[iemanja]

14. I thought you said they did

or implied as much. Did I misunderstand you?

[LeftInTX]

15. Yes, the maggots are a no-brainer to me. Not denouncing it is a no-brainer.

Not denouncing the sledgehammer is a no-brainer.

Not giving a damn about delegates being harassed by protesters also speaks volumes.

[iemanja]

16. Well, the negotiators for the DNC speech are a small group of people

I would be very surprised if one of them turned out to be a maggot planter. The FBI investigation should determine who the culprits are. I suspect you are mistaken that they planted the maggots.

[LeftInTX]

17. Delegates did not plant maggots, but protesters likely did.

Since they bragged about doing it to Netanyahu, why not doing at the DNC? A delegate saw two women come out of a closet and put maggots on the buffet.

Here is what they did to Netanyahu in DC:
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/24/pro-palestine-protesters-unleash-maggots-crickets-netanyahu-hotel-israel-speech-congress/



A video posted to the Palestinian Youth Movement Instagram account reportedly shows maggots and crickets released throughout the Watergate Hotel where Netanyahu is staying.
Instagram/Palestinian Youth Movement

[iemanja]

18. No surprise a few protestors likely did it

But the thread isn't about protestors. It's about the DNC saying no to allowing a speech from the non-committed delegates after weeks of negotiations. (Actually, the OP says Palestinians, but those involved in the negotiations were American. One of the leaders was born in Lebanon). From this morning's Morning Edition: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5086924/the-dnc-didnt-let-a-palestinian-american-speak-the-uncommitted-movement-took-note

There is an unfortunate tendency to lump anyone who is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause all together. One poster even accused the delegates of waging the attack on Oct. 7, as though they were Hamas.

[LeftInTX]

21. Delegates were involved in the banner

Liano Sharon.Democratic National Committee member elected from Michigan (That would make him Super-delegate)
Nadia Ahmed, Florida delegate
Esam Boraey, Connecticut at large delegate

[iemanja]

23. and?

[LeftInTX]

26. Pointing it out that they wanted speak, yet they disrupted BIden.

We're trying to get Democrats elected. Not look like 1968.

The convention held Palestinian rights panels.

Maybe the should have Armenians speak. We're always mad about something! We just lost a war and it may have been because of a certain Democratic congressman. However, I support the Democratic Party and the purpose of the convention is to nominate a presidential candidate, not air grievances about the Democratic Party.

[iemanja]

28. and that equates with planting maggots in your mind?

Divesting is a legitimate position.

[LeftInTX]

29. You keep saying that I said that. I said they didn't denounce the maggots. And you know darn well what I said.

I'm done with this conversation!

[iemanja]

32. I gave you a chance to say I was mistaken

yet you reaffirmed your position. I'm not trying to attribute positions to you unfairly. If you say you didn't mean it, I take you at your word.

ETA: I see now that you said protestors planted the maggots, which is different from your first post. Therefore, I apologize for my error.

[Sewa]

46. And you actually believe this cheap layout is forr real

Dude! lmao 🤣

[LeftInTX]

51. The students for Palestinian Justice posted it themselves. It was at the Watergate hotel.

They said they did it. You can ask them.

The Palestinian Youth Movement is taking credit for the demonstration, saying ... "Palestine protesters manufactured chaos at the Watergate Hotel last night so that Netanyahu, Israeli Mossad agents, and the Secret Service had no peace as they continue to terrorize our people."

[sakabatou]

115. Hold on, I thought they have yet to find/arrest the culprits.

[LeftInTX]

116. Very likely protesters. Protesters did this to Netanyahu and bragged about it.

Former State. Sen. Karen Tallian, D-Ogden Dunes, and one of Indiana’s delegates, said the delegates at the hotel talked all morning about how maggots were dropped into the food.

Tallian said she heard that a couple of protestors hid in the hotel bathrooms, rushed out when breakfast was laid out, dumped maggots on the food, and ran away.

Indiana Democratic Party spokesman Sam Barloga said the safety of its delegates is the party’s top priority.

“All Americans have the right to peaceful protest, but ugly attacks like this have no place in our democracy. We thank the security team for responding swiftly,” Barloga said.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/21/police-investigating-maggots-in-breakfast-for-indianas-dnc-delegates/

[Happyhippychick]

5. She purposefully chose a speaker who is BOTH pro Israel AND opposed to the war in Gaza

But she won't have one side or the other. She dealt with it masterfully.

[Happy Hoosier]

6. It's almost like pissing all over a party...

… and its leader makes them less inclined for them to give said pissers a national platform.

[Cha]

66. Precisely !

[uponit7771]

7. Sounds like a good idea seeing they were opposing democratic candidates, that doesn't mean DNC is not listening to them

[iemanja]

9. I think the negotiations would have gone better if they had agreed to endorse Harris

rather than remaining uncommitted. I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but it seems the point of the speakers was to endorse the Harris-Walz ticket.
I heard on NPR that one of the head negotiators did in fact support Harris, but he said he couldn't speak for an entire movement in that regard.

[Gaytano70]

10. Or maybe calling VP Harris "Killer Kamala" and President Biden "Genocide Joe" just didn't sit well with the DNC.

N/t

[lees1975]

19. Could a pro-Palestinian speaker be found who would...

1. Provide an unqualified condemnation of the October 7th attack on Israel
2. Condemn Hamas, and the fact that they are the ones deliberately using civilians in Gaza as shields against an attack on them and that makes them equally responsible for their deaths.
3. Acknowledge Israel's right to defend itself.
4. Support a two-state solution, a commitment which is the key to peace.
5. Not make impossible immediate, conditional demands.

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. I think the answer was no

Several speakers were proposed but most were unwilling to endorse Harris. Then they proposed one who would but would not condemn October 7th or Hamas.

[Demsrule86]

86. I consider them pro-Hamas and don't support

Them. They won’t vote for us so screw them. Netanyahu is a war criminal. But we do not control Israel. And support for Hamas emboldens them and allows the war to continue.

[LeftInTX]

22. The DNC held a Palestinian human rights panel

[themaguffin]

24. Good. And she should say as little as about as necessary, other than calling out trump's mtg with Netanyahu

[malaise]

25. There should have been

That is all

[iemanja]

30. Muslim women for Harris is disbanding as a result

which is unfortunate. It's a demographic important to Michigan in particular. Minnesota likewise had 10 uncommitted delegates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/muslim-women-for-harris-disbands-says-it-can-no-longer-support-her/ar-AA1pewFo?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=61a811f15c104bf8ac1c053909b9a1f2&ei=19&pc=U531

[Sympthsical]

60. Who cares what five people with an e-mail address think?

Honestly. Read that link. They had 1,200 followers total. And that's just social media followers. Not even active participants. I know people in their basement doing ASMR with more followers than that after a week. They had few posts and those seldomly had more than a dozen or so engagements.

Anyone can declare themselves Blank for Blank and start sending letters to sympathetic social and mainstream media. What authority do they command outside of managing to get media attention based on a desired narrative? Who do they speak for and represent with such a small number? With what power and influence have they been invested by the millions of Muslim women in this country?

I could form Sympthsical for Popsicles tomorrow and nab 1,000 people if I work at it a tiny bit.

Extremely loud but vanishingly small amount of people are pissed. Film at 11.

Edit: Oh dear God, they have all of 96 followers on Facebook. These people aren't even an entity. They're there for the media sound bite. And people are playing along - to the detriment of our candidate, I shall add.

[iemanja]

62. 1200 voters is more than the margin of victory in key states in 2016

I care because I don't want Trump in the White House. This demographic matters. Throwing them away is not smart. If you GOTV, please don't tell Muslims, "who cares" about your vote.

[Sympthsical]

63. It's a ratfuck of our candidate

By a tiny group with no influence - and no contribution. They exist to have a go at Democrats.

They would have no oxygen at all but for that people are willing to extend.

And I find that willingness troubling.

[iemanja]

64. They were supporting Harris until two days ago

Is this the attitude you take when you GOTV? I hope to God not.

[Sympthsical]

67. There's no point

My belief in their sincerity in support our ticket was threadbare to begin with, and then they went and proved it just like that.

People are always true to themselves without fail.

[iemanja]

68. Might as well hand their votes to Trump then?

Is that your position? You don't like they so screw the election?

[Sympthsical]

69. I'm not playing this game of toxic exes

You know how it goes. You break up with an abusive ex. You know what they're like. Their history. Then one day, sweet as pie, they come wandering over. "I just hope we can talk." Then you say no, because again, you know what they're like.

Then they run to all your shared friends. "I tried to talk to him, and he just won't be reasonable! Can you believe he's being so mean to me?!" And some of your friends might even send you a text, "Hey, why are you being an asshole? They just want to talk!" And you reply, "Because I know them."

And what it's really about is setting the scene for later. When they go off the rails in some way. And when you point out they're off the rails, they've got that "I tried to be reasonable!" locked and loaded as the cause and excuse for whatever bullshit they're trying to unleash in the present.

Real hard pass. No to all of that. I know them. These Gaza groups have played footsie with antisemities, theocratic authoritarians, radicals, and anti-Democratic forces all. year. long. They continue to be mealy-mouthed about the tactics now, because their alliance with those elements is more important than having an adult chair at the table.

And now we're getting the earful of "I'm trying to be reasonable!" right before they start throwing bricks through our window before November.

Nope. Miss me with that shit.

[iemanja]

71. First time I've ever said this

But I hope you don’t volunteer to get out the vote. There are 4.45 million Muslims in this country. You’ve just declared you don’t want their votes, which means you’re willing to hand the election to Trump out of spite. That’s a very dangerous attitude that could turn off voters of all ethnic backgrounds. The future of this country is too important to wallow in anger.

[Sympthsical]

92. If I were a cynical type

And perish that thought. But if I were a cynical type. I would venture that this "group" such as it was was manufactured specifically for this media moment. To "divest" themselves from Democrats. Maybe it would've happened at the DNC. Maybe later. But it would have happened. Who are they and why are they showing up in media stories when they barely exist?

Doesn't that strike you as slightly odd? It strikes me as odd.

If I were cynical.

To seek out votes is to credulously believe a group of people are not dead set against you from the start. That they may be persuaded.

I am not credulous about a group of people with all the substance of a mildly active Discord channel who are planting media stories and having a go at my party from Day One.

And I think it serves narrative for people to pretend otherwise. Why you're going along with it is for you to answer.

But this has zero to do with voters. This is game playing.

[iemanja]

93. If you listened to the convention

They talked about how Republicans are welcome. If Republicans are welcome, why shouldn't Democrats be who disagree on a single issue?

[EX500rider]

95. "There are 4.45 million Muslims in this country."

According to a 2020 Pew Research Center study, the Jewish population in the United States is approximately 7.5 million people

[iemanja]

96. Do you think allowing a Palestinian American delegate to speak would have lost the Jewish vote?

why? What makes you think Jews are so petty? Have you not observed that there are Jews that disagree strongly with US policy toward the Middle East? And I was talking to the other poster about how to handle disagreement when talking to voters. Is your approach when confronting a voter concerned about Gaza to tell them to fuck off because you're concerned about the Jewish vote alone? And what about the many non-Muslim Americans who are concerned about that issue?

[EX500rider]

97. You mentioned the number of Islamic faith that could be pissed off, I mentioned the number of Jews

Do you think not allowing a Palestinian American delegate to speak would have lost the Muslim vote?

why? What makes you think Muslims are so petty?

[iemanja]

98. The issue is what matters

and it has mattered long before the convention. The convention was an opportunity to bring back disaffected voters. It seems unfortunate that opportunity was lost. You seem to fall into the camp of those who prefer those votes go to Trump. I prefer Democrats win the election. You may get your way.

[EX500rider]

99. "You seem to fall into the camp of those who prefer those votes go to Trump."

To me possibly pissing off more Jewish people then Muslims might drive more votes to Trump. I prefer Democrats win the election.

[iemanja]

103. Your fears are unfounded

The US is squarely in Israel's camp. It's hard to conceive of what they could do more to appease Israel. The notion that doing anything to take steps toward a two-state solution would lose the Jewish vote denigrates the rationality and compassion of American Jews.

[Arazi]

111. I don't think any voters who chant Killer Kamala

Or Genocide Joe were ever going to vote Dem anyway.

The typical Muslim voter has been moving more conservatively as civil rights for LGBTQ and especially trans Americans have become more mainstream. I believe the war in Gaza is a pretense for many to go public with long-standing plans to vote Republican anyway.

They know #Traitor has vowed to deport Muslims - all of them including citizens - and yet they’ll still vote for him over Harris then they have always been a lost cause. I’d prefer to safeguard the (larger) more reliable Jewish vote instead of pandering to this fickle group

[iemanja]

118. Again, this mindless conflation of all of those concerned about the Palestinian cause

into a single monolith is irrational. If you can't tell the difference between something negotiating to give a speech at a convention who has said they will be supporting Harris (in the case of the lead negotiator), and a protestor in the park, you aren't familiar with those involved. There are uncommitted delegates and uncommitted voters, the majority of which have engaged in none of the behavior you describe. Conflating them all together is inaccurate and inexcusable. Additionally, the notion that any compassion toward Palestinian civilians will lose Jewish voters assumes a very ugly notion of what Jewish voters are. There are in fact many Jews who favor a two-state solution and want an end to the war in Gaza, as there are Israelis who actively protest the same.

Is your tactic when you encounter any voter who disagrees with Democrats on any topic to tell them to fuck right off? Or are such winning persuasion skills limited to Muslims and every other American concerned about carnage in Gaza?

At the convention, speakers announced that Republicans were welcome to participate in the party and vote for Kamala. Evidently you didn't get the memo. Or else you want that memo to have a stipulation excluding anyone who mourns the passing of 40,000 souls in Gaza.

[Arazi]

123. You did the conflating in post #98

The convention was an opportunity to bring back disaffected voters. It seems unfortunate that opportunity was lost. You seem to fall into the camp of those who prefer those votes go to Trump.

I was responding to your own very broad inclusion of “voters” on this.

And I realize many (most?) US Jews favor a two state solution, are horrified at the carnage in Gaza, hate Netanyahu etc etc. Yet Harris chose to platform a Jewish family only at the convention and spurned the request for a Pro- Palestinian rep to speak. That was deliberate and my comments on Dems decision to amplify their message/target Jewish voters was addressing the realities of voter demographics only

[iemanja]

120. The speech endorsed Harris

Someone else posted a link to this article which contains the speech: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/dnc-speech-uncommitted-movement-harris-walz-ruwan-romman/

No chants of Killer Kamala included.

[lees1975]

106. Their public comments and remarks are not reflective of reality.

I'm pretty sure most of this group realizes that, in spite of their unreasonable and unreaslistic public demands, they are not stupid. If they don't realize that Harris is their only political ally in the United States, and that she, not they, will call the shots on policy toward Israel and Gaza, then they are stupid. They are also stupid if they don't understand how this works, and allow their actions to favor Trump, who is a much worse enemy to them than Harris could ever be. If Trump is elected, there will not be a building left standing in Gaza and the majority of its civilian population will be living in refugee tents in the Egyptian or Jordanian Desert with no hope.

[tulipsandroses]

33. I agree. From what I've heard, the speech would have been vetted. The young lady that was on with Ali Velshi this

morning was supposed to give the speech. She even mentioned that she encourages people to vote for the democratic ticket. I thought that they should have at least let one of the doctors who've treated people in GAZA speak.
I don't paint all protesters with a broad brush. Certainly there may be hateful people. I am 100% positive some of these folks are paid agitators.
That doesn't mean the voices of the people who are rightfully angry and terrified should be silenced.

[malaise]

34. Well said

[mjvpi]

37. Agreed. All of the death in that war. To not give voice to an issue of such human rights importance was wrong.

[elleng]

53. Yes, surely someone suitable could have been found, imo.

[Hekate]

31. But Kamala herself did. And the DNC held a Palestinian human rights panel...

Right?

Or is this a case of never enough?

[Lovie777]

35. My mother came from a war torn country..............................

the USA allowed many children to be adopted here. It was when the Koreas broke apart.

Gaza and Israel and Ukraine and Sudan and many others are in our hearts.

Every day we hope for peace and respect for all cultures.

[Hekate]

40. And? My point is that the DNC & our nominee both paid attention and showed awareness....

And that the family that spoke of their own injured hostage son acknowledged the breadth of world religions of people killed and mutilated and made hostage at what was billed as a music festival of peace and love, and they acknowledged the plight of the Gazans/Palestinians as well.

What would have been enough?

At this point in our history we have a choice between democracy and autocracy, and it is stark. Many countries are in our hearts, but our choice is here and now and in this country. The people who claim to be uncommitted and undecided between Trump and Harris — well, they have actually made a choice.

[Lovie777]

42. I agree..................

and we have to unite, those that chose not to, I guess it we just have to hope.

My mom says if some progress is made it's because of those that work together.

[Hekate]

75. Thanks

So much contentiousness here on, ahem, certain subjects

[paleotn]

39. The later, unfortunately.

I sometimes wonder if much of this is ginned up by forces on the right, preying on the short sightedness and shallow thinking of some on the left. The right certainly doesn't have a monopoly on stupid.

[edisdead]

81. That is Exactly what is going on.

[tulipsandroses]

43. Respectfully, No. It is not enough. I don't like whitesplaining or mansplaining. It is important to me that my issues

as a black woman are heard from a black voice. I feel the same way about Palestinians being able to tell their own story.
Allyship is necessary and appreciated. However representation matters.
I'm not sure he would have agreed, but they could have asked former GOP Rep Justin Amash, who is Palestinian American to speak. He's lost family in GAZA.

[Hekate]

44. Did you listen to Kamala's speech? Not enough from our candidate? Having a panel/workshop not enough?

Threading the needle of a campaign to save democracy — not enough?

Okay.

[tulipsandroses]

48. Yes I listened to every word. I've also listened to my State Rep Ruwa Romman. She was supposed to give the speech

Have you listened to her?

Here is some of what she planned to say

Let’s commit to each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur. Let’s fight for the policies long overdue—from restoring access to abortions to ensuring a living wage, to demanding an end to reckless war and a ceasefire in Gaza. To those who doubt us, to the cynics and the naysayers, I say, yes we can—yes we can be a Democratic Party that prioritizes funding our schools and hospitals, not for endless wars. That fights for an America that belongs to all of us—Black, brown, and white, Jews and Palestinians, all of us, like my grandfather taught me, together.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/dnc-speech-uncommitted-movement-harris-walz-ruwan-romman/

[EllieBC]

61. Oh the person who made up

excuses for October 7th? Fantastic human, unless you’re a Jew or think Israel has the right to exist.

[tulipsandroses]

72. Lets go with she's disqualified

Surely, someone else could have given the speech in the spirit of what they wanted to say. They even asked if a doctor could give the speech. I also mentioned former Representative Amash who lost loved ones in GAZA.

To me its not a zero sum game.
When people say stupid shit - I don't completely write them off. I haven't been following her before all this so I had to look it up. She has engaged in interfaith discussions since Oct 7th.
It wouldn't have been a bad idea, since the speech had to be vetted, to ask that she clean up what was said on Oct 7th, and add it to what she wanted to say now.
DL Hughley stood on that stage to show his full support for VP Harris and openly apologize for what he said about her in the past. Admit his ignorance to millions of people. Him saying that will ease the fears of those that still think like that. Likewise, Rumma giving her speech, encouraging other Palestinians to support VP Harris, may have also changed some minds.

I don't want to play who's had it worse, or who has said worse - I've also listened to a Jewish speaker on MSNBC basically say that not even Palestinian children deserve empathy since they are taught to hate Jews in Kindergarten.
To be clear, that person was not a US politician. I believe this was an Israeli politician, but I may be wrong.

Over arching point is that it was important to hear from Jewish voices, especially those directly impacted. I think it was just as important to hear Palestinian voices.

[Happy Hoosier]

70. 100% is what "uncommitted" has to say.

They decided to alienate the only party that gives a shit about them. Why on earth would we give them air time?

[mcar]

108. And you know for certain she would have stuck

to her script?

[Lovie777]

45. Then speak out.....................

it was not easy for blacks in USA history. But they had peaceful protest but was met violent with resistance.

[Demsrule86]

88. We are democrats not Palestinian's.

We are Americans. They do not have the right to demand the right to use our convention to tell ‘their ‘story and many of them support Hamas. Giving aid and comfort to Hamas continues the war.

[tulipsandroses]

90. Who are the " They" you are speaking of?

Big Sigh
As I mentioned in my previous post, it seems like people are discussing two different things here. The Uncommitted are Americans—Democrats and Democratic Delegates—some of whom have been elected by their constituents. These include Palestinian Americans and other Americans who deserve a voice in this conversation.

Referring back to the original post—"The DNC Didn't Let Any Palestinians Speak About The Carnage In Gaza... at the convention. I've heard talking heads speculate as to reasons why earlier today on the MSM."— The talking heads/the media discussions the poster mentioned, were about the request made by the Uncommitted, not about Hamas or agitators. It feels like some people might be conflating these issues, which could lead to misunderstandings.

I think those who argue that the Uncommitted should not have been given a speaking slot at the convention, given that this event is meant to support the nominee, have a valid point based on political strategy. It’s an argument that I understand, even if I don't fully agree with it. However, that is very different from saying that Palestinian Americans shouldn't have a voice at all.

I hope this is simply a misunderstanding, rather than an argument that Palestinian Americans shouldn't have a voice. That would be very disappointing to me, both as an American and as a Black American Woman—a Black Jamaican American Woman, to be precise. Just like I can hold multiple identities, Palestinian Americans can too, and their perspectives are valid.

[iemanja]

91. They are Democrats

and Palestinian Americans. They vote in US elections. Who do you want them to vote for?

[Demsrule86]

121. Many are not registered Democrats...and voting non-committed means they did not vote for our nominee

in the primary. And they don't vote for us. Did you know Nina Turner is one of the leaders? They carry Hamas signs often so I don't really care.

[iemanja]

122. 65% of Muslims voted for Biden in 2020

Most of the uncommitted delegates are Democrats. Fuck Nina Turner

[paleotn]

38. Because being divisive and damaging Dem chances in November in no way helps the Palestinians.

To think otherwise is sheer stupidity.

[OnDoutside]

56. Exactly. Netanyahu wants Trump to win and is not

interested in doing a lasting ceasefire while Trump is in with a shot of winning. If pro Palestinians think crapping all over Harris's chance of victory is an astute strategy, they're letting the people of Gaza down.

[Funtatlaguy]

52. It was a risk/reward decision. Right call made.

[OAITW r.2.0]

54. The problem is in Tel Aviv.

A RW asshole that allowed this attack because he desperately needed a distraction from his crimes. He is the responsible person. Israel needs to hold him accountable.

[Cha]

55. It was VP Kamala Harris' Decision and I

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for one think she made the Correct one.

They called her Gaslit names and were Ugly Rude to her.... This was an nominating night... Not a Platform.

It was Not anyone else's to make.

[Hekate]

76. 🪷🪷🪷

[Cha]

79. Backatcha...

[betsuni]

85. Yes good judgement call. The convention not an airing of grievances.

The speech that was said to be the one given insinuated that the Democratic Party is not diverse, is racist, and funds endless wars.

[Cha]

105. And yet Pres Biden got us out of Afghanistan, We Are Diverse,

and Not "Racist" And yeah .We're Protecting Israel from GD Insane Hamas and the Freaking Terrorists of Iran and other Terrorists in the ME.: storm:

[tulipsandroses]

58. I think people are talking about apples and oranges here. I encourage everyone to read the speech

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/dnc-speech-uncommitted-movement-harris-walz-ruwan-romman/

[mcar]

109. Prove that a speaker would have

adhered to that script?

[iemanja]

119. that's a very good speech

and it does endorse Harris, which the other version I read did not.

[ecstatic]

59. I am very upset about the Gaza situation but I think the DNC was concerned,

for good reason, that the speaker would go off-script and potentially ruin the DNC and the unity we've worked so hard to get. Imagine -- the speaker goes rogue and he or she is booed off the stage by the delegates and attendees of the convention. A horrible look. It would be "Democrats in disarray" yada yada. Even if done in the 6pm hour, Youtube clips are forever.

If we look at some of the activities and behavior leading up to the convention: calling Biden "Genocide Joe," bashing Harris, heckling Harris at rallies, chaotic scenes outside the DNC, poisoning food with maggots--that was all disgusting, over the top stuff. I know that it's unfair to broad brush everyone based on the behavior of a few, but it is what it is.

[Cha]

65. Exactly... They don't have a decent track record. Then it would be

All about Division and Not about UNITY that VP Harris and the DNC were GOING FOR!

And, they did an Excellent Job.

[dalton99a]

89. +1. They cannot be trusted.

[al bupp]

73. If any one's interested, here's speech she would have given

Link to tweet

I'm not sure what's in this that's so outré that it couldn't be tolerated.

[Demsrule86]

87. I have no interest.

[mcar]

110. Prove that she wouldn't have

deviated from that script.

[edisdead]

77. I am sorry but maybe they can blame their partners

For putting fucking maggots in the DNC breakfast

[JCMach1]

78. Nor should they as long as they are undermining an administration

Trying to get a cease fire, FFS.

[Nixie]

94. No. Good vibes only. The so-called vetted speech may just have been

a ruse to get a live mic and platform to then say whatever they want and create chaos. I wouldn't trust their vetted speech arrangement.

Good vibes only.

[TheKentuckian]

100. I speculate the campaign is not stupicidal nor insane.

[betsuni]

104. If all demands were met: "They're pandering for our votes, don't really mean it and are same as Republicans anyway,

told you so!"

But wait, Republicans are better. Ronald Reagan and Dwight Eisenhower were for halting weapons shipments ("Reagan publicly demonstrated far more compassion for Israel's victims than the Biden-Harris administration ever has" -- Splinter.com article). And Democrats are the real racists (there was no multifaith, multiracial, multigenerational coalition in the party until we started one -- look at the convention, only old white Christians just like the RNC except for us! And "remember Fannie Lee Hamer -- shunned for her courage, yet she paved the way for an integrated Democratic Party" (told you so, racists) -- from DNC speech not given).

Uncommitted forever. One's moral purity demands it.

[mcar]

107. Why let someone who refers to you as

“Killer Kamala” speak at your convention?

[betsuni]

112. Democrats say they're a big tent, they whine, and let Republicans and whatever the cat

drags in inside the tent except for Palestinians and progressives. Calling Democrats killers, warmongers, genociders is unifying, they're the divisive ones! It's not me, it's you.

[Mossfern]

113. I don't think I understand your post.

Please clarify.

[betsuni]

114. Whining that Democrats are a big tent but let in Republicans and are mean to Palestinians and

progressives ("big tent party is still mostly just empty words" ), that Ronald Reagan "showed more compassion for Israel's victims than the Biden-Harris administration ever did," and how terrible Democrats are:

http://splinter.com/anti-choice-trumpers-and-anti-labor-executives-are-welcome-in-the-democratic-party-but-palestinians-may-not-be

[mcar]

117. Oh yeah, I forgot

They’re just Freedom Fighters.