That f'ing Netanyahu

[Bobstandard]

Now Netanyahu has escalated the war in the Middle East to include major air strikes into Lebanon. He also hints that this is just the beginning.

The US needs to decouple from that asshole. He’s just another Trump. He’s using his hold on the Israeli government to block investigations and prosecutions for malfeseance and stay out of jail.

I don’t know how we do it. The situation in that region is so complex that a solution is way above my pay grade.

I do know that innocents in Palestine and Gaza and Lebanon don’t deserve the rain of fire, the pain and heartache that the out of control leaders of that region cause. F Netanyahu and his hard line henchmen. And F Hamas and Hezbollah too.

[OnDoutside]

1. He's doing it because he can, as it helps his friend Trump.

[regnaD kciN]

2. Remember, Trump supposedly spoke to him a few days ago...

…and this is the result.

Lock him up on Logan Act violations NOW.

[OnDoutside]

3. Yeah, amazing there was so little mentioned about that.

[AllyCat]

18. Completely ignored by AG Garland.

[OnDoutside]

45. He could easily get a role in the Wizard of Oz !

[former9thward]

49. As any lawyer knows, the Logan Act is unconstitutional.

The Act is 225 years old and there has never been a successful prosecution of the law. Garland knows that.

[AllyCat]

59. Well, that's good for Garland.

He can sit there and do absolutely nothing with a law on the books that is somehow meaningless. Our judicial system and legal system just seems to be unconstitutional all the way around for you good attorneys. I’m not an attorney, and therefore know nothing. Good to know we have so many useless laws (except guns…those all work and then some). Perfect job for Garland…he can sit and do nothing (except go after Hunter).

[Bettie]

61. Oh, it would be prosecuted if

the guy who did it wasn't a Republican. You can bet on that.

But, nothing is illegal for those guys.

[former9thward]

63. No it would not be.

Plenty of Democrats over the years have violated the wording of the Act and have not been prosecuted.

[B.See]

65. Laws are meant for us. Not them.

[onenote]

51. "Supposedly" generally is not the standard for pursuing criminal charges

[True Dough]

5. Trump has dodged so many bullets

including the one that supposedly grazed his ear. It's an outrage.

[karynnj]

7. Nope, he is doing it, as the op says, to help himself

[OnDoutside]

10. By helping Trump, he helps himself. But first, Trump.

[Think. Again.]

4. rightwingers gonna rightwing.

No one should be surprised that netanyahu, or ANY rightwinger, is only out to hurt others.

That's what they do. That's who they are.

[dalton99a]

6. He does it because there are no consequences to him

[AloeVera]

12. Ay, there's the rub.

The trickiest question of all is why?

[Klarkashton]

8. Preemptive strikes are easy to justify since it can never

Be proved whether there was an immediate threat.

[OMGWTF]

17. Preemptive strikes equals the "Bush Doctrine" and his lies that brought us our longest wars.

[Beastly Boy]

50. Iran issued an immediate threat.

So did Hezbollah, backed by hundreds of rockets fired into Israel.

At what point is Israel allowed to fight back? Is Israel ever allowed to fight back?

[ColinC]

9. Arms. Embargo. Now

[onandup]

11. Cut his ass off

Not another dime.

[Sky Jewels]

15. This. Do it now.

[lame54]

13. Pre-emptive strike...

Rich countries terrorist act

[Nanjeanne]

14. Tel Aviv on Saturday

Link to tweet

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I haven’t posted much on this topic lately because sadly much of what I read here breaks my heart. But I spent two weeks in Israel in May with my family and most nights we were with other activists on the streets protesting.

Since I’ve been back, the protests are continuing and I have friends and family out there still demanding Israel get the deal done. The movement is strong but here in the states it certainly doesn’t get much play. So much we read and hear is so unbalanced. But that’s a whole other story I can’t write about as I don’t have the energy anymore for the wrong headed comments that are bound to be hurled my way.

I leave you with these two articles. This is the man the US is giving unconditional support to by supplying bombs for him to continue his maniacal destruction.

Even When Talking With Released Hostages, the Netanyahus Only Focus on Their Own Pain
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-25/ty-article/.premium/even-when-talking-to-ex-hostages-the-netanyahus-focus-on-their-own-pain/00000191-890a-d847-abff-ebabd4b90000] Haaretz subscriber link

https://archive.is/1ZLBS] free link

Jewish Terror Has Exploded, and Nothing Is Standing in Its Way. It May Bring Israel Down

https://archive.is/ICMym] free link

[Lonestarblue]

19. Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich are hurting Israel.

Their policies are starting to turn many people against Israel, and that is dangerous. I wish this government could be overturned and sanity restored.

[Nanjeanne]

23. The entire Likud Party would have to be dissolved. Open media access is needed, settler violence stopped

And many things need to happen in Israel before there is any sanity and the promise of the country is achieved. I wish the US were the real adults in this engagement and start the process of peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

16. It's time to show Bibi some tough love, Kamala

Let him sink or swim. I'm weary to the bones of him.

[jujubeets]

62. She treid

He laughed in her face. Until we leave him high and dry he'll continue to think he can push her around because he got away with it once so why not again. SEVER TIES WITH ISRAEL NOW!

[Joinfortmill]

20. Yup, not good

[Mosby]

21. Israel prevented a major Hezbollah attack

An estimated 6000 rockets were readied, aimed all over Israel, including dense population centers like Tel Aviv. They still managed to fire 320 missles into Israel, but the IAF was able to destroy hundreds of launchers.

Since 10/7, Hezbollah has launched more than 8,000 rockets into Israel, killing 43 Israelis and injuring 272, including children. If that isn't escalation, I don't know what is. You can't expect Israel to just sit there and take it.

Iran is behind all of this, don't forget.

[Danmel]

24. Thank you

I know Netanyahu is a disaster but he still has to protect his country.

[JohnSJ]

27. Some conveniently leave that out in this thread, along with that the rocket launchers

were the targets, and that about 200 rockets were launched.

The fact is that Hezbolah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, etc. have been trying to eradicate Israel is ignored.

[Behind the Aegis]

32. And isn't this what so many have been DEMANDING?!

Israel should ONLY attack MILITARY targets. No civilian deaths on either side. Massive attack prevented, still some 650 missiles rained down on Israel. What is massive again? Yet, another word in an ever-growing list of words redefined when Israel is involved.

[JohnSJ]

33. Yes, an obvious double standard. When Oct 7th occurred,

not only were some trying to justify Hamas actions, but also using the excuse that it was Netanyahu’s fault for ignoring the warnings about a possible attack by Hamas.

Nobody is to blame for Oct. 7th except Hamas, and those who try to justify by either diverting blame are demonstrating their actual support for Hamas and their actions.

[sarisataka]

39. "You can't expect Israel to just sit there and take it."

That is exactly what some (many?) expect.

And as the Israelis are counting the corpses of the raped and murdered it is also expect Israel should apologize to the terrorists and meekly ask what demands the terrorists have.

Apparently in this case Israel should simply have allowed Hezbollah to launch a massive attack at civilians. It wouldn't be surprising if it was also expected Israel should have turned off the Iron Dome to make it "fair".

[AverageOldGuy]

22. We know . . .

. . . Trump would pour into Israel all the weapons they want while cutting off Ukraine.

President Harris will load up Ukraine and you can bet she'll law down the law to Netan-yahoo including reducing or cutting off weapons.

[EllieBC]

25. That's not what she said. But she did say,

She did say, “Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself," she said tonight.

[JohnSJ]

28. Yes she did

[regnaD kciN]

34. The key phrase there is "defend itself"...

…and I suspect the administration and Israel’s current government have a very different view of what constitutes “defense.” (For example, when he was still a candidate, President Biden specified that “the weapons Israel needs to defend itself” meant that we would never cut off missiles for the Iron Dome defense system. Whether it extends to “pre-emptive attacks” or the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian territories is another matter entirely.)

[sarisataka]

41. "Pre-emptive"

Should Israel not stop an attack before it happens? Wasn't that one of the criticisms of October 7, that Israel failed to act on intelligence if a pending attack?

[EllieBC]

46. You know the answer. They never should defend themselves

because they are stronger. They’re just supposed to take being attacked and then apologize for existing.

[sarisataka]

53. I'm sure, if asked

They would say Israel should turn off the Iron Dome to make it "fair"

[Richard D]

26. Poor Lebanon . . .

. . . maybe if they hadn't promised to attack Israel and fired over 6K missiles in the last days, Israel would not have had to take out their missile launchers and other military installations that are only there for the purpose of killing Israelis.

[Doc Sportello]

29. Your "concern" is duly noted

Now when Israel kills tens of thousands in Lebanon will you be blase about that too?

[JohnSJ]

31. Except they went after the rocket launchers, not kids on a soccer field

[Richard D]

36. Well . . .

. . . so interesting how you assume Israel will do that, isn't it?

Trope: Bloodthirsty Jews.

Food for thought.

[Doc Sportello]

40. Just responded to what you wrote

You had a sarcastic take with "poor Lebanon", then wrote here a real trope of hmmm... pointing that out must be antisemitism, right, in your mind. No, it isn't food for thought, just the same old rationalizations for Israel doing whatever the fuck it wants when it comes to killing civilians.

[Richard D]

38. But I agree with Madam Vice-President . . .

. . . that Israel has the right to defend itself. I hope we all agree with her.

[Doc Sportello]

42. She also said she wants a cease fire

Which you posted the other day Israel can't agree to the deal because it would lead to more hostage taking. So you don't agree with the cease fire deal worked out by the Biden-Harris administration?

[Richard D]

43. I do not fully agree with it.

For a number of reasons. At this point in time, a unilaterally imposed cease-fire will only lead to more Oct 7 type attacks. This is an obvious truth and is not my words, but the words and pledge of Hamas.

However, if a cease-fire that led to a real peace agreement that would have every hostage returned and a non-Hamas government in Gaza put into place with international monitoring, including a de-arming of Hamas and the destruction of all terror tunnels and a strengthened Egypt-Gaza border that would not allow for the transportation of more military equipment . . . well, that would be a good beginning of a more peaceful Middle-East. Hopefully, soon-to-be Madam President has all of that in mind.

[Doc Sportello]

58. Your demands are unrealistic

Just like yahu and the Israeli hardliners. They want war on the Paletinians so they can claim the land for settlers, Kushner resorts, etc. Glad you admitted to being with Netanyahu and against the Biden-Harris administration. Endless war with no concern for the tens of thousands of women and children slaughtered. Just what Yahu wants. I'm sure he appreciates your support.

[Richard D]

64. I don't like to . . .

, . . say that anyone is spreading antisemetic conspiracy nonsense and hate, so I won't say that.

But I will continue the conversation without the ridiculous Jew-Hate tropes.

[AloeVera]

66. By the time there is a Madame President, half of Gaza's kids will be dead or sick from polio, dirty water, starvation.

There is no more time to make a wish list for the perfect ceasefire agreement that will ensure perfect future safety for Israelis in order to assuage fears about an event that at this point has about 0% chance of happening ever again. What is happening for certain and before all our eyes is the sure destruction and diminishment of an entire nation of people.

Perfect security for one people at the cost of so many lives of the other people is not something most people can stomach. If the cost is so high to achieve security, maybe take a good long look at root causes? It wouldn't hurt.

[JohnSJ]

30. It is so convenient that some ignore who actually escalated this, and of

When bin Laden was taken out out there was a small minority who were against President Obama going into Pakistan to take out bin Laden, arguing how “dare they invade the sovereignty of Pakistan.

They should have thought about that before giving sanctuary to the POS bin Laden.

[0rganism]

37. Unfortunately, he's not "just another Trump"

First, he's got some serious military background, arguably a legit war hero.
Second, he's at least 2 orders of magnitude smarter than TSF, actually graduated from MIT.
Third, he's still the prime minister, the longest-serving PM in Israel's history.

He's far more difficult and dangerous than TSF, and TSF's inevitable October surprise probably flows through his actions in the form of Middle East regional conflict escalations. He's more like Putin than TSF, and definitely should not be underestimated.

I hope Biden and Harris have a solid plan to blunt his aggression without losing electoral support.

[Trueblue1968]

44. I say .... Stop the aid. Net is just a warmonger

[LexVegas]

47. Thank god Biden and Harris dont take foreign policy advice from keyboard warriors in the interwebs. nt

[Beastly Boy]

48. WTF? Now Netanyahu is the super villain pulling all the strings and controlling everything that happens in the ME?

Enough of this bullshit already! Netanyahu is not even in control of his government, let alone Hezbollah or Iran!

Any sane leader of any self-respecting country in the world would have responded in exactly the same way he did.

Quit acting like Hezbollah had nothing to do with taking over the sovereign state of Lebanon and turning it into Iran's tool to wield against the entire Middle East.

Get over the outrage and don't aggrandize Netanyahu. He s the relatively small fish in the war that involves just about every Middle Eastern state. It's ridiculous to focus so much on just one person.

[PufPuf23]

52. Do you think Netanyahu is the best leader to get Israel through this mess?

What do you think is the best outcome?

What are your criticisms of how Israel has responded to October 7?

[Beastly Boy]

55. No I don't. But instead of restating it a hundred times, why don't you

suggest who is, and then pledge to support that person and all the Israelis willing to vote for him/her?

You know, one more "Netanyahu is evil" rant is not going to move the needle. Why not try something different for a change?

[PufPuf23]

56. Why don't you take your own advice? How to you think Israel could do better?

I have not made suggestions because do not know what to do. Just don't want the violence to spread.

In an attempt to take away all future risk, Israel is making more long term risk and losing support. All most of us see is propaganda.

What are your ideas on how to do this better?

[Beastly Boy]

57. I made my suggestion. You just read right past it.

There are tens of thousands of Israelis protesting Netanyahu's government on nearly a daily basis.

Try supporting them as vocally as you bash Netanyahu instead of wasting your time on bashing Netanyahu.

If you ever paid any attention to Israel's progressives, their biggest disappointment is that they feel abandoned by America's and Europe's progressives.

[Sympthsical]

54. People get so mad when Jews don't just let themselves be killed

It's 2024.

I just wanted to throw that out there.

Not 1924. 2024.

Did people stop updating their libraries or something?

[Ace Rothstein]

60. Hezbollah has launched thousands of rockets at Israel since October.

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It was inevitable that Israel was going to do something about it at some point.

[Skittles]

67. I have long thought that WWIII would emanate from the Israel / Palestine bullshit

they are all disgusting

[Rubyshoo]

68. Me Too

[lark]

69. Yes, yes and yes again!

They are all murderers.

[FlyingPiggy]

70. This is what he has always wanted to do and hezbollah gave him a reason to do so

I don’t profess to know or have any solutions for that long standing situation over there, but it doesn’t look good for the Palestinian people to have known about the hezbollah HQ under the hospital. That makes me believe they are in on it or protecting hezbollah which, people seem to forget, is an international TERRORIST organization.

[tenderfoot]

71. Netanyahu LIHOP

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