And Democrats are STILL showing up and out, and we don't need the legacy press

[Baltimike]

We don't need them.

We don't need them.

They have been running interference for the right wing since they got rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

With "both side-isms", false equivalences, fake news and fake mandates, we don't need them

We don't fucking need them. Let them figure it out. I hope and pray that the Democrats keep delivering the message right to us, and NOT through their lens

Fuck their prime time ratings. In fact fuck their ratings altogether. We don't need them.

They need us.

[Think. Again.]

1. The "legacy" press has become the obsolete press...

...by their own doing.

[DENVERPOPS]

57. Lets show the Republican Owned Media something to worry about

Every venue Kamala shows up at, in every city, should be packed to the max.......

AND

Each venue should be surrounded, outside the building, by tens of thousands more Dems in the streets!!!!!!!!!

[Think. Again.]

60. Let's do this!!!

[DENVERPOPS]

61. The top Dem National Committee

should get behind this.............Hello Dem National Committee..........

[mdbl]

66. They are in competition with Fox Nooze and the National Enquirer

and doing a great job of looking just as stupid.

[Magoo48]

82. Yes, they are a poisoned, dying vestigial structure.

[malaise]

2. Great OP

VP Harris did several interviews with social influencers during the Convention.

There are lots of options these days and M$Greedia are
not adjusting well. They will learn.

[jaxexpat]

17. ...or the mainstream media is an evolutionary "dead end". It happens. Who remembers the 5 legged humanoid?

[malaise]

19. Precisely

Very few young people watch them. They will learn. Sadly they have an over- exaggerated view of themselves.

[Ananda62]

44. This Boomer

Has been boycotting MSM for several years after the nonstop criticism of the Biden Administration, the failure to cover the D’s accomplishments, and the softball questions to Trump and MAGA. It’s was a pain to have to search for accurate news sources, but I did it and now am comfortable with it.

[malaise]

54. Love it

[jaxexpat]

53. Ah, Malaise, the young are invincible, eternal and fertile.

The big picture has great plans for them, you know. They don't yet appreciate the only certain aspect of living on our planet, "uncertainty". I'm sure there are other planets much more amenable to long term evolutionary adaptations, but we're all in bed with "good ole" planet sprint-or-die.

[malaise]

55. That's the sad truth

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. I prefer to compare them to the extinct pogosapiens...

Lots of noise and motion, little forward progress, couldn't keep up with the more nimble species.

[jaxexpat]

52. Yeah, and even sloths make fun of their "I've got something important up my rectum" step-whine-step walk.

Not one's favorite hiking companions, actually.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

56. You caused me to have to explain to my wife what I'm laughing about.

[AllyCat]

25. They may learn but I won't hold my breath

Corporations are not good at change, especially if that change means lower profits for them.

Meanwhile, Harris is out there smart!

[malaise]

26. They will learn

when they are out of business. Their for profit assault on reason has destroyed their credibility.

[Meadowoak]

28. Just ask Mike Pillow. Nevermind, he never learned shit after

Losing his business.

[malaise]

31. Well, he's as intelligent as the foam in his lumpy pillows

😂😀😂

[MLAA]

46. I bet you can unzip his brain and cheap, white, bumpy stuff will fall out!

[malaise]

47. Bwaaaaah

😀😀😀

[True Blue American]

58. Well, MSNBC is beating

Fox in the ratings now.

[Baltimike]

36. It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. nt

[malaise]

48. LOL

[The Unmitigated Gall]

3. I remember the lamestream

Gleefully participating in the Willie-Hortoning of Michael Dukakis, while very legitimate and important questions about Poppy Bush’s participation in Iran-Contra were easily turned aside with “I was out the loop”. That was 1988 and they haven’t gotten better.

[misanthrope]

78. I might criticize MSM

but you won't catch me using nicknames for them that are associated with Sarah Palin.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

84. Good for you. nt

[Oopsie Daisy]

4. A righteous rant that's damn-near poetic. It could also be set to music.

[Conjuay]

5. I find this site to be as informative, in fact

More informative, than ANY of the 'state run' media.

[mopinko]

6. they're bleeding money. maybe that will wake them up.

but we need a leftist media. how bad we need it is evidenced by the lengths they went to to tank air america.
it’s a different landscape now, tho. i knew it was in trouble when no big dems ran ads. it’s part of my hard grudge against john kerry. that’s y the media is slanted like it is- there’s money in it. and they were afraid of ‘the fringe’. that is clearly not the case now.

[ananda]

7. Boycott msm.

End of story.

[Baltimike]

8. I haven't watched a complete news program since election night 2016

and I can assure you that I am better informed because of it

[MaryMagdaline]

12. Same here.

[ananda]

21. Same

Well done

[PortTack]

23. Same!

[AllaN01Bear]

10. i dumped our local am 50.000 watter as the talking heads spew hate . i canceled the local newspaper as well.

i will buy one just to read the funnies . comcast priced me out of the market for cable a long time ago. so, yea i ve been boycotting them in a way.

[Stargazer99]

18. Comcast needs their corp a** kicked-they require you to know how to do technical things

to get reception

[ananda]

22. I know.

Internet only here, and that
is way overpriced.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

30. I do

Don't have cable TV either. I stream everything, which means the "news entertainment" channels won't get carriage fees from my bill.

[malaise]

33. No

I will just continue to call them out

[YessirAtsaFact]

76. Boycotting in progress

I dropped my NYT subscription a couple of years ago.

Dropped WAPO this spring.

Don’t watch TV news.

[hibbing]

9. They have normalized tfg

And all his racist idiot fans.

Foward

[ALBliberal]

11. This is why appreciate so much the folks posting

videos from MTN, Beau, Brian Tyler Cohen, Kirschner, Stephanie Miller, and others. Gives me a chance to “listen” and sometimes watch. Along with clips esp. from MSNBC. No commercials. Maybe I am getting my news a little slanted but I am so done with the both siderisms. That viewpoint is wrecking our democracy. So thanks posters!

[Sky Jewels]

13. It's important to spread the word to the people in our lives

who don't zero in on politics and media coverage like most of us do. A lot of people are still under the impression that the media is "liberal." We should make comments about how we're sick of mainstream outlets like the NYT and AP, etc. normalizing the extremism and crimes of the Republicans while skewering Democrats for non-issues that they blow up into fake outrages. And on social media, do side by side comparisons of unfair media coverage of the Rs/Ds. That's effective.

[Clouds Passing]

14. The MSM is exactly like trying to watch a game and the announcers are totally for one team.

[Martin68]

15. On and on with "the legacy press." The Washington Post has a been very supportive of Harris and continually reports

on Trump's lies and idiocies. The legacy press doesn't have "ratings." I believe you are referring to TV news, which is not called "the press." The press refers to newspapers. You know, like, "printing press?"

[mucholderthandirt]

24. The "press" in this conversation means journalists, not a printing machine.

Often referred to as the MSM, main-stream media, as opposed to online news sources, which seem to trend younger. Many people watch stuff on Tik Tok, which is why it's a valuable asset for the Harris/Walz campaign. We want those younger folks, and others who don't watch the MSM.

I'm of the belief that never giving an interview to the MSM is a good idea. Why let them screw her over, like they did Joe Biden? The MSM can get their news by watching, and looking at press releases. They're just going to prop up Trump anyway, as their masters tell them to do.

[Martin68]

43. The press and the mainstream media are not synonymous. The press is part of the media, but refers to newspapers and

magazines only. "The media" refers to all journalism, whether TV, online, press or other.

[Baltimike]

50. No, it doesn't. You are incorrect. nt

[Martin68]

67. Ignorance is bliss. Be happy, my friend. Or learn to use a dictionary.

[Baltimike]

69. Indeed it is. Dictionary use would be helpful since I linked to it for ya

at around 3:30pm today. But HERE, I am HAPPY to help you with dictionary use. You're welcome:

Press Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster

the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : journalism. b. : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting. c. : news reporters, publishers, and broadcasters.Aug 16, 2024

[Martin68]

71. You failed to reference the term you misused: "the press."

According to the MiriamWebster dictionary site: the press noun: the people (such as reporters and photographers) who work for newspapers, magazines, etc. You just don't know how two take advice or learn something new when you are dead wrong. Reminds me of - oh, never mind.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20press

[Baltimike]

74. You failed to read for comprehension

Nice try. No dice. I posted the definition of Press. And NOTHING you say makes you the arbiter of the word, since the definition supports my OP

You can complain all you want, I will continue to say "legacy press' all I want, whenever I want, because the definition indeed, nay, in FACT, supports my OP

[Baltimike]

70. I hope you see post #49 and can be big enough to stand corrected.

You don't get to claim the moral high ground while you're standing in quicksand.

But I am very happy indeed to use a dictionary, post the definition, because one of us is INDEED *wrong* and the other one of us is me.

Love and light dude.

[Martin68]

72. Just look it up. Learn to admit when you are totally wrong. It will help you in life, my friend.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20press

[Baltimike]

73. I did, and posted the entry for you several times

and I am still right, and will absolutely continue to call it the legacy press whether you like it or not: Here you go (again): Press Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster

the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : journalism. b. : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting. c. : news reporters, publishers, and broadcasters.Aug 16, 2024

[BattleRow]

40. Way past time

to cut the legacy press off at the knees...

[happy feet]

42. lifetime WaPo subscriber here

Last remaining newspaper I subscribe to to keep in touch with local news. While they did a good job on the Jan 6th articles, since Bezos bought and brought on the guy from Murdoch's WSJ as editor (has recently left) the rightward march from the opinion pieces as well as regular news articles has hopped on the Biden too old wagon, while giving Trump's visible cognitive decline a pass and digressed from there. Has had articles picking up Fox and other right wing memes, such as, Harris hasn't sat down for a tough interview yet, "Joy" is not a strategy (as if anyone said it was)-8 etc. I don't count them as much better than the NYT bothsiderisms of the Democrats while failing to write honest articles about Trump and Repubs (I cancelled them earlier this year due to Biden old and other memes). IMHO, the corporate (3 corporations) takeover of the MSM is focused on bothsiderisms, sensationalism for corporate profits, vs. upholding the purpose of the fourth estate.

[DENVERPOPS]

59. Totally Agree

The U.S. Media is 95+% owned/operated by Uber Rich Republican Oligarchs and Corporations. Both have pledged allegiance to the

United Corporations of America....... or better put: The Corporate Tyranny of America

If Pence hadn't done what he did, we wouldn't even be having a 2024 election.......(same for the 2022 election)

Trump recently said: Vote for me, and you will NEVER AGAIN HAVE TO VOTE........(SCARRY SHIT)!!!!!!!!!

[Martin68]

68. And where do you imagine you are getting the original information from? Dream on, the internet and other "providers"

all steal information from the "legacy media" and all their real researchers and journalists and use it without attribution. It doesn't come from thin air.

[Baltimike]

75. *snort* It's coming straight from

our candidates to us.

We don't need them. They have been being access stenographers for far too long.

Pay attention. they can adapt or perish.

We don't need the legacy press, and you don't get to redefine words, or prevent us from using them.

[Baltimike]

86. I's not vanity when I am indeed right, and you are indeed wrong.

Posts # 24, 49, 69, 73 and 74 spell it out for you

[Baltimike]

49. Nice try. No dice (again) You don't get to impose your specific definition

of "press". Just to be sure it could indeed include my reference in my OP, I checked. I can. Here: :

Press Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster

the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : journalism. b. : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting. c. : news reporters, publishers, and broadcasters.Aug 16, 2024

[mahatmakanejeeves]

16. YOU don't think you need them.

Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College

... where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.

[Sympthsical]

20. A free press is required for healthy democracy

There's a kind of new arc - and I blame much of the Internet and social media for it. That not only should the press - and journalism in general - be avoided, but that it is a moral good to wrap oneself in a partisan or ideological bubble where only preferable narratives, facts, and context be allowed and affirmed.

This is . . . not great. It's not good for critical thinking, it's not good for being informed, and it's not good for a democracy that doesn't devolve into a partisan shitshow.

Which is where we're hedging towards now.

I know people like to say "Fuck the MSM!" or whomever.

But Twitter ain't news. It's barely accurate half the time. And headlines aren't news articles.

This recent penchant people have leads to terrible places. I now see people actively advocating that our politicians and government officials no longer feel any need to answer the press. Or really the people. Just all sympathetic Internet press releases and junkets.

This is dangerous. And I don't think people appreciate just how dangerous it is. We're already a severely underinformed society. This will aggravate it rapidly. Social media are already well on their way to putting us there.

This is not something to embrace. At least not if one has read history. When you advocate for courtiers rather than journalists, nothing good flows from that.

[Baltimike]

32. Sorry, but *nope*. We haven't had actual journalism in this country

since they got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. Not since Walter Cronkite and Edward R Murrow.

We need a free press...not 'access stenographers'

[Voltaire2]

35. we don't have a free press in the remaining newspapers and corporate broadcast and cable media

They have all of their 1st amendment rights to publish as they see fit, so in that sense they are 'free', but they do not provide a diversity of viewpoints. Instead they provide a very strictly controlled narrow band of viewpoints that generally fall between 'neoliberal center right' and 'fascist'.

What we have in that narrow band is the absurd Red Vs Blue partisan shit-show that you think is some how avoided by the allegedly free press.

Social media actually provides a far more diverse platform, as the cost of entry is much lower than publishing a national newspaper or operating a cable news channel.

"I now see people actively advocating that our politicians and government officials no longer feel any need to answer the press. Or really the people."

Politicians can reach 3 billion people on facebook, somewhere around 560 million visit the NYT website, and 1.2 million on MSNBC.

[Sympthsical]

37. On the contrary, they do offer a diversity of viewpoints

I know they do, because people are screaming about them every single time they step a toe out of line.

The complaint is that they don't publish my viewpoint nonstop.

And as far as relying on social media, again, dangerous. If politicians and government officials seek only avenues of discussion where they are assured friendly waters and affirmative feedback, you don't have a democracy. Not really. You have a tightly controlled top-down narrative machine.

Which, sure, plenty of people will be thrilled about.

But people, as a group, often don't make great choices.

[BattleRow]

41. If a reporter isnt

pissing somebody off.they ain't doing their damn job.

[misanthrope]

79. +1,000 for this

Thank you!

[bullimiami]

27. Yup. They can all f right off until they get straight.

[Voltaire2]

29. Newspapers were never regulated by the fairness doctrine.

[uponit7771]

34. THIS !!! ***THE LEGACY PRESS IS THE REASON WE HAVE BENEDICT DONALD IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!*** Without them he'd currently

... would be in the single digits !!

There's' no reason we should have to put up with a rapist, racist felon ..

[Joinfortmill]

38. Yup, boycott 'all them m*fuckers'.

[Baltimike]

39. "Adapt or Perish" legacy press...

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[Longford1847]

45. cancel!

cancel all nyt and wash po subscriptions

[Dem4life1970]

62. I cancelled cable...

...and mainly watch BTC, Meidas Touch (including Adam Mocklar, Legal AF with Michael Popok), TYT, Reese Waters, Roland Martin, The Lincoln Project, and Morning Joe on YouTube. I also watch Washington Week and Brooks and Capeheart (NPR). I dip my toes into MSM every once in a while, but not that often anymore and I have no regrets.

[Roc2020]

63. Dems will never forget how

they treated Biden. MSM was already on shaky ground groveling for Trump voters. The Vulture like drooling on Biden dropping out there is no coming back from that for most democrats. I cancelled my nyt subscription and deleted every app except the BBC. And I'm watching them closely too.

[Dem4life1234]

64. Their disrespect of

Their disrespect of our wonderful president is unforgivable. We really don't need their asses. Plus we have social media.

[czarjak]

65. Take Communication Back

[Jack Valentino]

77. Kamala will talk to you, when she has time for your BS....

but she's busy now.

Most of them don't deserve to be talked to--- let them beg Trump for an interview.
Meahwhile, Harris-Walz will get it on with the people, and doing very well at it,
thank you very much.

[AlexSFCA]

80. Harris should have an interview but she can choose the outlet and the interviewer

Trump doesn’t answer any questions and just lies his way out in every interview so can’t compare.

In his entire life, trump only once encountered real journalists and it was at a black journalists conference. Those were real questions. What we get on basic tv and cable has nothing to do with journalism. It’s corporate media designed to maximize stocks for shareholders.

NPR/PBS maybe the exception but they are unable to compete for attention against those media conglomerates. .

[Baltimike]

81. Or she should just keep reaching out to us without their filter

Trump doesn't answer any questions because he never had to...

same thing for Harris. The legacy press only ever helps the right wing

[AlexSFCA]

83. what is non legacy press?

[Baltimike]

87. How have you recieved most messages from Harris/Walz?

How did the DNC Convention handle it?