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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,969 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 03:58 AM Aug 2024

Texts show mom knew her teen had habit of driving cars up to 155 mph. victims parents think she should be charged too.

Life360 records: Teen drove 127-155 mph weeks before tragedy
According to police reports, cellphone exchanges and Life360 records obtained by the Free Press, here is a glimpse of Kiernan's driving patterns in the weeks and months before the Nov. 17, 2023, fatal crash:

In July and August 2023, he hit speeds of 127 mph, 143 mph, 102 mph, 150 mph and 155 mph — all on separate days. Photos of his speedometer tracking these speeds were found on his cellphone.
In the two weeks before the fatal crash, Life360 recorded 94 trips by Kiernan, nearly half of them over 90 mph. The highest speed recorded was on Nov. 1, when he drove 153 mph for 20 miles.
Videos on Kiernan's cellphone show him drag racing twice, in September and October. Another video shows him driving recklessly through the Millender Center tunnel in downtown Detroit.

"I have screenshots of you doing 90 mph in the middle of the night when I didn't even know you had left (a friend's) lake house ... And again two weeks ago going 123 mph just because."

The text continued: "And your obsession (word choice intentional) with cars having upwards of 600 hp — It's not healthy. It's not safe. And it scares me to my bone."

Three weeks later, Elizabeth Tague bought the BMW.


"His mother repeatedly told responding officers that she was afraid of Kiernan," an investigator writes in a report, adding the teen's most recent police contact before the crash was on Aug. 30, 2023, when police were called to Kiernan's house "because he was yelling and throwing items within the house because his mother refused to get him an American Express Gold Card."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/08/22/elizabeth-puleo-tague-kiernan-flynn-mackrell-car-crash-charges-parents/74595263007/
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Kiernan Tague, the driver who survived the catastrophic high-speed crash, has had at least 22 documented contacts with the police since 2018






Tague lost control of the vehicle just five minutes later while traveling at 105mph, hitting a pole and then a tree. The force of the impact obliterated Tague's mother's BMW X3 M and killed Flynn, a standout swimmer at the University of Dayton.

Tague escaped with his life but is now out on bond awaiting trial after being charged with second-degree murder in March.

Now Tague's mother, Elizabeth Puleo-Tague is being investigated by police after text messages emerged showing she was aware of her son's speeding habit - which she had intimate knowledge of through a GPS app called Life360.

Flynn's parents told The Detroit Free Press that Elizabeth should face criminal charges, with his devastated mother Anne stating: 'It's like she handed him an AR-15.'

Among the text messages, Elizabeth wrote to Tague on September 14, 2023: 'Slow the f*** down right now!'

The message was sent two months before the tragedy, after a Life360 report showed the then 16-year-old traveling 123 mph in the family's Audi coupe.

'I have screen shots of you... doing 123 mph... It scares me to my bone,' read another, viewed by he paper in police reports.

Flynn's parents, Anne Vanker and Thad Mackrell, are seeking to use the messages to show how Elizabeth failed to take reasonable actions to prevent her child from hurting others.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13782795/Kiernan-Tague-detroit-crash-car-flynn-mackrell-text-messages.html

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Texts show mom knew her teen had habit of driving cars up to 155 mph. victims parents think she should be charged too. (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2024 OP
Nepo mom North Shore Chicago Aug 2024 #1
Giving him a car was like giving him a loaded weapon. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #2
I don't think she gave him the keys-sounds like he just took her keys. LisaL Aug 2024 #10
if he just took the keys, he did it over and over. The gives her the option of locking up the keys. BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2024 #13
Moral of story, don't have devices that tell you what your kids are doing lostnfound Aug 2024 #3
The dad is deceased. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #4
I'm surprised anybody was willing to ride with him. yardwork Aug 2024 #5
Good question. Must have been very scary ride Demovictory9 Aug 2024 #6
I read the whole story and it's horrifying. yardwork Aug 2024 #7
Powerful car to reach 100 mph in a short distance.. Moms behavior is strange..kid is speeding buy a 2nd powerful car Demovictory9 Aug 2024 #8
From reading the story, it appears she bought the car for herself, not for him. LisaL Aug 2024 #9
I Don't Know DET Aug 2024 #11
My boys would not have had access to a vehicle Bettie Aug 2024 #12

North Shore Chicago

(4,256 posts)
1. Nepo mom
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 04:08 AM
Aug 2024

certainly needs to be held responsible for her actions, her inactions. The son is 18 though, will be interesting to see how this all pans out through the legal system. Guaranteed the parents of the deceased will sue her to the moon and back civilly.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
10. I don't think she gave him the keys-sounds like he just took her keys.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:32 PM
Aug 2024

At least that is the impression I got from reading the article.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,969 posts)
13. if he just took the keys, he did it over and over. The gives her the option of locking up the keys.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 10:21 PM
Aug 2024

lostnfound

(17,630 posts)
3. Moral of story, don't have devices that tell you what your kids are doing
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 07:35 AM
Aug 2024

The woman lost plausible deniability.
She probably wanted the app thinking it would help her monitor his driving.
But 16 year old boys are sometimes, to put a fine point on it, insane.
It’s all her fault, because she was the mother who paid attention but failed to stop the budding Violent Man, the entitled asshole whose personality until just 4 years prior had probably been sweet and willing to listen to his mama.

A scary force of nature. If he had shot his mother or run her over with the car, she would rightly be seen as a victim.

Parenting testosterone-and-culture-driven teen boys takes an army.
Wonder what the dad was doing?

yardwork

(69,639 posts)
5. I'm surprised anybody was willing to ride with him.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 08:47 AM
Aug 2024

Did the person he killed know that he typically drove like this?

I'm not blaming the victim, just wondering if he knew when he got in the car.

yardwork

(69,639 posts)
7. I read the whole story and it's horrifying.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 06:14 PM
Aug 2024

Apparently the person he killed was home from college, so might not have had a clue what the driver would do. He gunned it down a residential street at over 100 mph. The boy who was killed didn't even like roller coasters. The last moments of his life must have been sheer terror.

Very sad and infuriating story.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
8. Powerful car to reach 100 mph in a short distance.. Moms behavior is strange..kid is speeding buy a 2nd powerful car
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:11 PM
Aug 2024

I wonder if he browbeat her to buy those cars.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
9. From reading the story, it appears she bought the car for herself, not for him.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:31 PM
Aug 2024

But left the keys at home accessible to him-sounds like he was out of control, his mother had no control over his behavior.

DET

(2,599 posts)
11. I Don't Know
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:49 PM
Aug 2024

This kid was clearly totally out of control. If the police didn’t scare him, his mom certainly wouldn’t. I’m not sure there’s much that she could have done - except not buy him the BMW. I would imagine that she bought him the car to better protect him when he inevitably got into a crash. Unfortunately, that didn’t help his victim or anyone else around him. But the kid would have probably stolen a car or gotten his hands on one anyway.

I remember going to a seminar on kids with oppositional defiant disorder (ODD). Parents told horrendous stories about their out of control, dangerous kids. The parents desperately wanted to do something, but they didn’t know what they could do. It was horrifying and heartbreaking at the same time. Whether or not she is charged, I’m sure this mother is going through her own personal hell.

Bettie

(19,869 posts)
12. My boys would not have had access to a vehicle
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:57 PM
Aug 2024

with behavior like that even once.

If she knew that he was doing this habitually, well, at 16, she could stop him. At 16 he's still under her roof and her responsibility.

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