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[Walleye]

1. And he took the time to grab his shoes. Probably he didn't want anybody to discover the lifts.

[EarnestPutz]

64. Good point! Have you looked at the video to see if he is visibly shorter with his shoes off? For that.....

......matter, why did he lose his shoes in the first place?

[Walleye]

104. I wondered that myself

[DENVERPOPS]

69. they were visible when the SS Agent threw them off the podium

and the 1" White lifts fell out.....with so little heel pocket left on the shoe, it's no wonder they came off in the first place..... the Picture I saw of that, also, if you looked closely showed a 1.5" to 2.0" heel on the shoes.......

Signs of a true TWPC........ a Teenie Weenie Peenie Complex as my wife would call it......

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. We will never know because the media doesn't care

But if they would just pretend that he was a Democrat they’d be all over it 24 hours a day until it was resolved.

Oh and someone somewhere on Threads I think pointed out that the traitor never mentions the shooter, never says anything about him good or bad, nothing, doesn’t that seem strange?

[StClone]

4. I think someday, some will break the silence, that T-Rex was not hit.

[ShazzieB]

66. I hope they do it soon!

By which I mean in time to affect the election!

[poozwah]

7. cash cow

trump is a money maker for the media which is why they have mistaken this money grubbing pig for an ATM. as long as they’re making withdrawals, they will do anything in their power to keep the machine up and running.

[Shipwack]

71. Never mentioning the shooter is -not- strang...

Just par for the course of a narcissist. Besides, why should the shooter be mentioned? He was a failure!

[DENVERPOPS]

72. That is because

the shooter was a right wing nut job........

[obamanut2012]

3. Yes, that is my theory

"Blowback" from a high-velocity firearm like that is a real thing, especially since half of the dude's head was literally blown off. Even a beebee gun can do that (yes, I almost shot my eye out as a teen shooting at a wooden target).

[StClone]

5. The possibility of striking just a tip of the ear seems infinitesimal.

Could happen. His big head had to be tilted at the right time as he moved onstage to be staggeringly small.

[obamanut2012]

48. He still would have had, at best, some other issues

Plus, it would have still been scabbed, etc. for a while.

[DENVERPOPS]

70. And not

perfectly healed with no scab after a week......

[MarineCombatEngineer]

74. Disagree,

I've had various problems with my earlobes over the years what with dry skin on them and scabs when the dry skin flakes off and usually the scab is gone within a couple of days.
The ear is a fascinating part of the body, it's one of the fastest healing part of the body.

Other than that, How the hell are you DENVERPOPS?
I'm seriously thinking of leaving AZ and moving to CO, which part of CO would you recommend?
Bear in mind that I have a big rig I have to park somewhere while I'm off duty.

[usaf-vet]

105. I used to scrub for an otolaryngologist (ENT) (ear, nose and throat) surgeon. No way a ear wound would heal......

..... without at least a scab in four to six short days. IMHO!

And I can't believe his SS team would let him stand above the team with a raised fist and stop to grab shoes.

Of course, I cannot prove either of these scenarios. But maybe Trump was lying about being shot.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

51. Anyone who's 1/2 competent with a rifle could make such a shot,

and Been A Dick Donald has to be the luckiest man alive, as soon as the round left the barrel, he turned his head and the bullet just barely grazed his ear.
If I were him, I'd walk away thinking that my only 2nd chance on life was just granted and call it good.

[GB_RN]

60. "I Want An Official Red Ryder..."

“…carbine action, two-hundred shot, range model air rifle!” - Ralphie, in “A Christmas Story”

“You’ll shoot your eye out, kid!” - Every adult in the movie…

😂

[WarGamer]

62. the physics behind projectiles.

You see... for a bullet to "unload" it's kinetic energy...

It needs to 1) Hit something or 2) fight gravity

A bullet bleeds off VERY LITTLE kinetic energy by hitting a piece of paper. 22LR or 50BMG, just a clean hole through the paper.

The mass of the object being struck affects the degree of kinetic energy unloaded.

When a bullet hits a steel plate, all that kinetic energy impacting with an immovable object causes the bullet to fragment into tiny pieces. When a bullet hits a water filled object, like a watermelon or a human...

not only does the bullet unload it's kinetic energy but there's a secondary release of energy from the hydrostatic wave inside the object

Graze wounds unload VERY LITTLE kinetic energy and is 100% consistent with Trump's minor injury. Doesn't matter if it's 22LR or 9mm or .223

Having said that... I suspect a very large projectile with a great deal of mass... maybe an 8" artillery shell passing so close you cause a violent air pressure disruption that could at a minimum blow out an ear drum and maybe fracture a skull or turn the contents into jelly?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

67. Thank you!!!

Most here don't understand this.

[Probatim]

86. I wonder about how many people within 15' of the victim were covered in his gore.

A head shot from that round would be fairly gruesome.

[BoRaGard]

6. Top Secret Stuff. Ask no questions, you'll get no G.O.P. lies

the republicon gunner who shot the republicon felon has become a deceased non-entity.

And still no medical reports, except from G.O.P. drug lord Jackson.

Something stinks...

[LakeArenal]

8. My major starter: Trump never mentions the dead fireman. Only trump trump trump.

And the widow resents Joe Biden!!!

[XanaDUer2]

54. Didn't DJT kiss a fire uniform in memory?

What a sick odd thing to do

[CoopersDad]

9. There was no ear injury w bleeding. This is why I say this:

Trump is like a child who, if he had a real boo boo would be showing it off.

Trump is a show off, if this was a legit injury we would never hear the end of it, he'd be showing us photos, etc.

I think it was a stunt with modern special effects blood and thought so from the beginning.

Not a goddam thing has been presented to show otherwise.

[LAS14]

89. "I think it was a stunt with modern special effects blood and thought so from the beginning."l ???????

Is this a joke?

If not, could you explain how the whole thing was set up from the start?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

101. And another conspiracy theory.

But what the hey, you keep doing you.

[Zoomie1986]

10. The physics says no

First of all, the victim was probably too far away for any splatter to have reached TSF. Yeah, it can travel around 5-6 yards with an arterial hit, but not the 15 or more yards that the victim was from the idiot.

Second--wrong position. When a round enters the body, it goes in almost clean, but will leave a massive hole if it leaves the body. If it hits someone in the classic forehead shot, for instance, you'll have a small, clean hole at the entry, but the back of the head will just about get blown out. This is especially true with hollow point. Total horror show with those exit wounds.

It's the exit wound that creates most of the blood spray with a shooting, and the victim wasn't in front of Cantaloupe Caligula. He was behind him. Well behind. At least 30-40 feet.

I don't know whose blood it was, but I'm reasonably certain it's not the victim's.

[StClone]

13. It was not just blood

Check the footage, under magnification a chunk of something in Trump's right ear. That bone/flesh/cartilage chunk could easily have flown the distance and exuded blood as it traveled and landed. I see your point but the likelihood of what MAGANs portray and the "mystery of the blood" theories seem to point to another victim's blood over Trump even having a bullet strike.

[Meadowoak]

87. Fake blood, the whole thing was staged.

[LAS14]

93. Are you serious? Please respond to post #89. nt

[Jirel]

11. Reasonable theory.

I’d have to watch the video again. I remember that he startles and looks sideways, but I thought it was because he felt or heard something, not because he already got splashed.

[sarisataka]

12. No, it didn't

too far away for splatter and it would have been a spray, not just a bit in one area.

He was simply the luckiest SOB on the planet that day, he received a small nick on the ear rather than spreading his cranial contents all over the stage.

[StClone]

17. There were multiple bullet strikes and I don't know their proximity.

You could be correct but there are ambiguities in this incident that are not resolved. The "victim's blood on Trump" theory is yet to be excluded. Yes, distance is an important component. Maybe a closer victim's blood? Maybe Trump's greatest canonization test for MAGATs.

[sarisataka]

20. Here, for your reading enjoyment

Once Upon a Blood Spatter: The Complete Guide

Science excludes the theory that it is a victim's blood.

[StClone]

24. Thanks for the link

The theory of blood a lone spanning the distance may not stand up unless matter besides blood was propelled from the impact or another non-lethal hit was in closer proximity than the fireman.

Check the footage, under magnification a chunk of something in Trump's right ear. That bone/flesh/cartilage chunk could easily have flown the distance and exuded blood as it traveled and landed. I see your point but the likelihood of what MAGANs portray and the "mystery of the blood" theories seem to point to another victim's blood over Trump even having a bullet strike.

[sarisataka]

47. Just so it is clear in my head

A person firing at him causing a grazing wound with

[obamanut2012]

49. There would have been chunks of brain, bone, etc.

The dude literally had half his head blown off.

[sarisataka]

56. And the only spot all those chunks hit

Was his ear? Nothing on his clothes, people around him? Photographers were able to capture an image of a bullet, but not these blood carrying pieces moving at a tenth the speed?

The theory is far more unlikely than simple dumb luck.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

57. I hope this is sarcasm, because if not,

then you are completely wrong.
The outer part of the ear consists of cartilage and blood vessels, there is no hard points for the bullet to impact to cause it to fragment and cause any massive damage, it will strike the soft tissue and keep on going until it actually strikes a hard entity or runs out of energy and drops harmlessly to the ground.

Ask me how I know this.

[DENVERPOPS]

79. Thx MCE

Please keep reporting this..........

Also, even the tiniest scratch to the head or ear bleeds like a MG

And don't ask me how I know this......I don't want to talk about it.....

[MarineCombatEngineer]

83. ...

Also, even the tiniest scratch to the head or ear bleeds like a MG

You are 100% spot on.

And don't ask me how I know this......I don't want to talk about it.....

Fair enough.

[bluestarone]

14. Hell, as far as I know, we don't even know WHERE the victim was?

This is the most un investigated cases that i ever observed!! Something STINKS awful bad about the whole thing! Everything involving TFG is like something EVIL EVIL EVIL!!

[poozwah]

26. something weird

from the minute this was reported, i felt something was off. with trump, that isn’t conspiracy thinking, it is normal.

[BoRaGard]

77. No transparency whatsoever.

The G.O.P. is practiced at coverup.

and lies. The only certainty: they cannot be trusted.

[malaise]

15. Re the entire incident

I remain doubting malaise.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. JFC!!!

Please, IMHO, stop with the conspiracy theories!!!!!
Move on, he got grazed by a .223 round with very little damage and he attempted to use it politically, which failed miserably.
There was an attempted assassination of a political figure that has no place in our society, whether they're R or D, cut and dried.

And just to be clear, I'm not advocating that you stop, that's why I said IMHO.

[StClone]

18. Point taken.

[WarGamer]

23. thanks... thanks for the sanity.

[FHRRK]

37. agreed and to add

This event is basically forgotten except with the MAGAs. Any goodwill The Shitstain received has been consumed by him being himself and pissing off everyone except his base.

Basically, nobody cares, let it die!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. Thank you, and I couldn't have said it better.

[FHRRK]

40. could you have spelled "pissing" correctly?

LOL!

off to fix that

[angrychair]

41. I've seen close ups of his ear

There is no wound there. I haven't had earrings in my ears for over 30 years and I still have holes in my ears for them. There are very few blood vessels in the ear so that is a lot blood for what would have to be a very minor ear wound.
They have chosen to keep all medical records secret which does nothing but feed conspiracy theories. The FBI admitted today they can find no expressed motive for the incident.
It appears he fired 5.56 rounds but admittedly I cannot find a definitive source but this article, which is far from conclusive:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/14/fbi-investigating-trump-rally-shooting-as-potential-domestic-terrorism

[MarineCombatEngineer]

42. Yeah, just keep spreading those conspiracy theories, that must be a key component of the campaign.

Luckily, you're not in charge of the Harris/Walz campaign and they've refused to engage in such conspiracy theories, unlike some here on DU.

It's done, it's over with, MTFO.

[angrychair]

44. I'll move on

When I actually see an image of his wounded ear.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. How many actual bullet wounds have you actually seen and dealt with?

I'll bet a month's pension that I've seen far, far more than you and dealt with far. far more than you, but, WTH, you want to keep spreading these conspiracy theories, have at it, that's your right, and far be it from me to deny your right to spread these ridiculous theories, but in the end, it does no good to keep beating a dead horse, he got grazed by a .223 round, fired out of an AR-15, Been A Dick Donald attempted to use this politically and it failed spectacularly.

But you do you.

[angrychair]

59. Not a conspiracy theory

I am the opposite of a conspiracy theorist. I didn't even give the incident a second's thought until I started seeing images of his ear after the bandage came off and his weird excuse that he heals fast. 78 year old people do not heal fast.
The trump people can resolve it by releasing the official, signed, medical report and a clear, unedited, date and time stamped image, of the wounded ear at the hospital.

If it shows everything as you say I'll be completely satisfied and drop the whole thing.

Not sure why that's controversial or to much to ask.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

63. As I said,

you do you.

[LAS14]

95. Where have you seen closeups of his ear? Do you have a link? Not doubting. Just curious. nt

[NoSheep]

55. You are stating as fact, something you cannot prove and that no one else has proven. IMHO

[MarineCombatEngineer]

58. No, I'm stating a fact from my long experience from actual bullet wounds.

Let me ask you this, what's your experience with bullet wounds and treating them?

[sarisataka]

68. Is there the tiniest shred of evidence

to support this theory that the blood is from a victim? Because there is quite a bit of science that says that would not happen.

[ShazzieB]

80. Thanks for this!

Conspiracy theories (not just about this, in general) drive me crazy. Once they get started, they take on a life of their own, and they can get totally out of hand.

It's probably too late to completely stop this one, but I think injecting a little common sense now and then is still a good thing.

[DENVERPOPS]

82. And, yet again MCE

Bravo.........

[Hamlette]

91. agree, I don't find the blood curious but the shoes? Did he take them off? Why was he so insistent to put them back on?

I don't think it was lifts in his shoes. Probably wanted them on as part of his germ fetish. But why were they off? More curious than conspiratory here.

[LeftInTX]

19. Wouldn't the agents surrounding Trump also have blood spatter?

There is video of Trump arriving at the hospital and walking in the ER door.

I also don't see spatter on the stage, equipment etc.

The odds of Trump having blood spatter are about the same as him getting nicked by a bullet had having a minor injury.

Also, you can tell by Trump's facial expressions that he did sustain a minor head injury. In other words, he was hit. He looked "faint", which is a normal reaction. You can tell by his facial expression that the blood (inside his body) was "rushing to his feet". It's a protective mechanism.

By his facial expression, I could not tell if he was OK. Seriously, some sustaining a serious wound will be OK for a minute or so and then they quickly go downhill. Obviously, by the time Trump got in the limo, it was obvious that he was OK and he no longer "felt faint".


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-uer7CJu5pY

[StClone]

21. Try this

[WarGamer]

22. sigh... this again.

[StClone]

28. Could you post a link where this was discussed?

Edification for me.

[WarGamer]

30. This was discussed ad nauseum for a week... dozens of DU threads.

Dozens of threads postulating how the blood got on his ear/face.

I read everything from chunks of glass to nacho chips to space aliens.

[StClone]

38. You are correct there were posts on "being hit with projected material."

Assuming that Trump was pierced by something. If unhurt and it was Trump claiming heroics by taking a bullet when it was someone else's blood was my angle though I see your ennui.

[Tickle]

25. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hospital-official-discusses-treating-trump-after-assassination-attempt/

Hospital official discusses treating Trump after assassination attempt
New details are coming out about the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump and the moments after the shooting when Trump was treated at a local Pennsylvania hospital. CBS News correspondent Charlie De Mar spoke with an official at that hospital and has more.

[LeftInTX]

27. Link doesn't work. Video is here.

At the one minute mark

[Tickle]

32. Thank you NT

[PedroXimenez]

29. oh yeah i forgot about that

someone shot Trump or something?

[rzemanfl]

31. A supersonic bullet passing that close to his ear would have done a number on his eardrum IMHO.

[sarisataka]

45. It would only cause minor ringing IME

[rzemanfl]

73. You had a supersonic bullet pass within a couple of inches of your ear?

Yikes!

[sarisataka]

76. Glorious results of a misspent youth

and very lucky it wasn't a real sniper on the other side, just a wannabe

[rzemanfl]

84. TSF whines about everything, but he never complained about his ear ringing.

My only experience with sonic booms were those from B-58s flying over. Those shook everything.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

78. Knowing somewhat of his combat experience,

I would say most likely, as have I.

[rzemanfl]

88. Thanks, I only have civilian experience with friendly sonic booms from aircraft ages ago.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

94. My pleasure.

[sarisataka]

92. Semper FI

We've reached the age where we wish our war had been the Last War

[MarineCombatEngineer]

97. Semper Fi

and welcome home brother.

[Silent Type]

33. Think trump was nicked, and he was definitely shot at. He's still a POS.

[Joinfortmill]

34. Not at all surprising

[Takket]

35. Democrats: oh you silly rethugs with your wacky conspiracy theories! What about facts?

Also some democrats: how do we know it wasn’t ketchup? Did anyone even do a DNA test on the red stuff on his face?

Occam’s razor people.

[RidinWithHarris]

103. It's one thing to be suspicious. It's quite another thing to act like you KNOW what "really" happened

There's definitely something fishy about the whole shooting incident, but, until there are actual facts, Trump somehow getting his ear just very slightly nicked is still the leading explanation.

Trump being so secretive about the medical reports when he got is ear bandaged up, on the other hand, is just the sort of thing that practically begs for the creation of conspiracy theories.

[sinkingfeeling]

36. No, early on, there was a map of the venue printed, showing where the victims were seated, the shooter,

and TSF. The stage was far away from where victims were.

[Hela]

43. Hospital and ER plan every time?

Does the Secret Service typically have a hospital plan for every public speaking engagement by a President or former President under their watch? The reporter in the CBS video said this plan dated back to 2020 when TFG previously held a rally in Butler, PA. I looked that up -- it was on Saturday, October 31, just before the November 3, 2020 election.

I wonder what would have happened if there'd been an attempted "assassination" of a sitting President 4 days before an election? Maybe an executive order to postpone it?

Not normally a tinfoil hat type, I am deep into the conspiracy theories on this one, only because I don't think anything is beyond TFG's insanity or the depths to which he's infected the people around him.

[senseandsensibility]

50. He did react to something hitting his ear

and to me it looked like he was swatting a mosquito or something. If flying blood splatter would provoke that kind of response you might be on to something.

[ashredux]

52. I'm sure of this. The bullet did not hit his ear. I've had a very good ear injury, and they do not heal in a few days

And there should be a doctors report who attended him. This needs to be released.

[YessirAtsaFact]

53. Fake blood capsule?

Like they use for WWE and in movies.

[ffr]

65. This

Hollywood exploding fake blood packet or one that actually filled with his blood shortly before the big event.

[ffr]

61. #1 actually should have been DJT Media stock jumped 30% that day.

A stunt to revive his flagging stock price, his latest money grift. And it worked handsomely!

#5 should be how the blood splattered forward onto his face as if from a blood packet exploded onto his ear and squired forward onto his face, when the supposed bullet went by the right side of his face, passing his face first, then supposedly striking his ear. The impact could only have displaced plasma to the back of his head and hair, not forward to his face.


Or as you propose, it was magic blood splattered from feet away that landed on him by accident.

[sarisataka]

75. Or maybe, just maybe I'm pondering,

the blood ran forward on his face when he dropped/was tackled with his face down. The pull of gravity usually makes fluids flow towards the ground.

(BTW you may want to check the link I posted above. GSW spatter blood in both directions, forward and back)

[IronLionZion]

81. Was the shooter mentally ill?

with no political agenda?

[Boomerproud]

85. Local law enforcement, SS and FBI are pointing fingers at each other.

That's the only part of this that has the media's attention.

[bucolic_frolic]

90. House GOP has shown little interest in the actual conspiracy and the shooter

Though they jumped on SS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_hit_squib

There are theatrical devices to simulate bleeding. We've not gotten answers, no one is asking questions.

[Think. Again.]

96. He got shot at by a rightwinger, barely nicked his ear.

There isn't anything else to it.

[JoseBalow]

98. They walk among us

[tenderfoot]

99. Now come on! You sound just like Alex Jones! bUt pEOpLe dIeD

[Bonx]

100. Have we ruled out Ancient Aliens?

[Scrivener7]

102. WWF wrestlers cut themselves with tiny razors so they can show the audience some

blood.

Didn't the sick fuck use to be a spokesperson for WWF?