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leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:00 AM Aug 2024

Professional women choose a path to misery

Per Vance.

Sometimes it works out that way but at least they can buy groceries and pay the mortgage if their husband walks out.

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Professional women choose a path to misery (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 OP
Don't they know North Shore Chicago Aug 2024 #1
That is one seriously insecure, stupid misogynist. MLAA Aug 2024 #2
No, they really don't want him back. COL Mustard Aug 2024 #24
Damn MLAA Aug 2024 #49
Misery would be stuck married to a man like Vance Sanity Claws Aug 2024 #3
Precisely! SheltieLover Aug 2024 #4
As often as you have a single career woman in misery I imagine there are at least as many LizBeth Aug 2024 #5
I'm betting it's more like 5 to 1. RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #8
I gotta agree yet without a study. Though one study says happiest is older single woman LizBeth Aug 2024 #10
Until you need someone to hand your honey-do list to, nt Nittersing Aug 2024 #11
That is stupid and so typical. Truly surprised I see that on Du. LizBeth Aug 2024 #13
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #14
You would be amazed homegirl Aug 2024 #35
I call it rent-a-husband Demobrat Aug 2024 #61
Sounds homegirl Aug 2024 #62
Yeah, it's called hired help. It's not like many of us don't have family, or friends, or children to help do stuff. mucholderthandirt Aug 2024 #55
It's pretty obvious... jumptheshadow Sep 2024 #68
His argument is an incel argument. evolves Aug 2024 #6
I want to see this as BREAKING NEWS flamingdem Aug 2024 #7
You know, I was a professional woman and a single mother for 45 years. And I must have missed sinkingfeeling Aug 2024 #9
JD is a double "header" BattleRow Aug 2024 #19
Starting to think JD stands for Just Dumb. lindysalsagal Aug 2024 #12
Or maybe, Jarringly Dumb? Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2024 #27
Just Don't. 2naSalit Aug 2024 #37
Juvenile Delinquent BattleRow Aug 2024 #58
Even better! 2naSalit Aug 2024 #59
Dude has a sadly limited view of half the human race struggle4progress Aug 2024 #15
Does his wife work outside the home? onetexan Aug 2024 #16
I'm surprised because HE MARRIED a woman who was a professional. flying_wahini Aug 2024 #17
Can someone provide a link to a source? I know that's how he thinks but I want to be sure it's real. johnnyplankton Aug 2024 #18
Here's one. Moosepoop Aug 2024 #20
Wow, it's even worse than I thought! ShazzieB Aug 2024 #56
Thanks! johnnyplankton Sep 2024 #63
I saw it in a headline over at Raw Story. nt leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #21
Well his wife certainly chose the path to misery mainer Aug 2024 #22
Professional women choose a path to misery Demobrat Aug 2024 #23
I dunno. He sure is obsessed with reproduction, maybe he thinks 3 kids is not enough? LisaL Aug 2024 #28
He's obsessed with other people's reproduction. Demobrat Aug 2024 #32
This professional woman would love to have a quarter for every minute spent in meetings... GopherGal Sep 2024 #66
At least they bothered to fake it. Demobrat Sep 2024 #67
Wonder where all these miserable professional women hang out? travelingthrulife Aug 2024 #25
Same here, and on top of it all I'm a cat lady. And not even slightly miserable. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #36
I'm the same. Demobrat Aug 2024 #38
I am still amazed he found someone willing to reproduce with him. LisaL Aug 2024 #26
His dirty socks got tired of being abused. rubbersole Aug 2024 #31
Translation: Closet case chose a path to misery meow2u3 Aug 2024 #29
So every elected GOP woman Old Crank Aug 2024 #30
To the Vances of the world zorbasd Aug 2024 #47
Reporters need to ask Old Crank Sep 2024 #64
B.S. elleng Aug 2024 #33
Is that what he tells Usha? "So my wife had this baby, " Usha? "So her mom took a year's leave of absence, " Usha? Hekate Aug 2024 #34
It's her life. At least I hope it is. Demobrat Aug 2024 #39
They met in law school, at an age when people fall in love or convince themselves they are in love. Hekate Aug 2024 #41
She could go a lot farther if she Demobrat Aug 2024 #52
I agree with that, but my guess is he plays mind-games Hekate Aug 2024 #53
Women with children Beck23 Aug 2024 #40
In my experience growing up Demobrat Aug 2024 #54
Seems like Vance views alot of youtube content.. zorbasd Aug 2024 #42
JD needs to look at that thing he's running with Warpy Aug 2024 #43
This psycho is out of touch. What USA does he live in - not this one. iluvtennis Aug 2024 #44
Yet look at the woman he married, a very accomplished professional woman karynnj Aug 2024 #45
That's why I strive to keep my status as an amateur woman Iris Aug 2024 #46
Every day, Vance shares new ways that he hates women dlk Aug 2024 #48
He's like a bottomless pit of misogyny. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2024 #57
He's right home in the women-haters party dlk Sep 2024 #65
Fuck that misogynist prick. IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2024 #50
Well said! no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #51
I just posted on another of these threads Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #60

MLAA

(19,740 posts)
2. That is one seriously insecure, stupid misogynist.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:06 AM
Aug 2024

Edited to add: 1953 called they want their idiot back.

Sanity Claws

(22,408 posts)
3. Misery would be stuck married to a man like Vance
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:06 AM
Aug 2024

And not having a career or education to engineer an escape route from him.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
5. As often as you have a single career woman in misery I imagine there are at least as many
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:27 AM
Aug 2024

women in misery in marriage. Vance sure has a hate on toward women, everything he says.

RandomNumbers

(19,154 posts)
8. I'm betting it's more like 5 to 1.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:38 AM
Aug 2024

5 married women who really hate their life decisions to every 1 single career woman who hates hers.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
10. I gotta agree yet without a study. Though one study says happiest is older single woman
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:47 AM
Aug 2024

So seems to prove it. Married woman did not come out in the top three spots.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
13. That is stupid and so typical. Truly surprised I see that on Du.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:55 AM
Aug 2024

But alone as much as I have been with a man. Dont need a man to do a single damn thing, further when married never played that little stupid game. I respected husband enough to well know he could figure out what needed to be done without my direction> I did not treat him like a dumbass.

Response to LizBeth (Reply #13)

homegirl

(1,964 posts)
35. You would be amazed
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:19 PM
Aug 2024

that so many items on those "honey do" lists are finally completed by women OR a hired Handy Person!

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
61. I call it rent-a-husband
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 05:49 PM
Aug 2024

Luckily, I’ve had a pretty successful career and saved and invested well. So if I need help with something I call a professional and pay them. Then they leave.

Better lots of professionals than one dumbass.

mucholderthandirt

(1,783 posts)
55. Yeah, it's called hired help. It's not like many of us don't have family, or friends, or children to help do stuff.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 04:34 PM
Aug 2024

jumptheshadow

(3,315 posts)
68. It's pretty obvious...
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 11:16 PM
Sep 2024

...that Vance has Mommy issues, and it dovetails with his actual family experience, too.

evolves

(5,836 posts)
6. His argument is an incel argument.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:35 AM
Aug 2024

Women who have the option of financial self-determination are not obligated to remain in abusive or unsatisfying relationships with men. They can walk away and not fear for their safety nor for their ability to support themselves (and their children).


flamingdem

(40,886 posts)
7. I want to see this as BREAKING NEWS
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:37 AM
Aug 2024

on all television channels.

J.D. is such an idiot. All he had to do was go along with the program.
Instead he offered his own brand of lunacy.

sinkingfeeling

(57,808 posts)
9. You know, I was a professional woman and a single mother for 45 years. And I must have missed
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:42 AM
Aug 2024

how happy and upbeat all my male colleagues were. When will this numbskull realize that it doesn't make one bit of difference if you have a dick or not? People react just about the same to their lot in life.

lindysalsagal

(22,903 posts)
12. Starting to think JD stands for Just Dumb.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:53 AM
Aug 2024

He probably invented these evaluations of women after more than a few rejections and recriminations from them.

flying_wahini

(8,274 posts)
17. I'm surprised because HE MARRIED a woman who was a professional.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:12 PM
Aug 2024

So by that measure she must have been a miserable woman before he married her. Right?

johnnyplankton

(633 posts)
18. Can someone provide a link to a source? I know that's how he thinks but I want to be sure it's real.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:15 PM
Aug 2024

Moosepoop

(2,075 posts)
20. Here's one.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:22 PM
Aug 2024
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/31/jd-vance-podcast-feminism-immigration

Donald Trump’s running mate, JD Vance, said that professional women “choose a path to misery” when they prioritize careers over having children in a September 2021 podcast interview in which he also claimed men in America were “suppressed” in their masculinity.

The Ohio senator and vice-presidential candidate said of women like his classmates at Yale Law School that “pursuing racial or gender equity is like the value system that gives their life meaning … [but] they all find that that value system leads to misery”.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
56. Wow, it's even worse than I thought!
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 04:46 PM
Aug 2024
The Ohio senator and vice-presidential candidate said of women like his classmates at Yale Law School that “pursuing racial or gender equity is like the value system that gives their life meaning … [but] they all find that that value system leads to misery”.


So the women he's talking about are j7st miserable because they're single. What makes them miserable is "pursuing equality"!

I guess the poor little things just need to face the facts and accept that they will never be equal. Then maybe they can find a big strong man like Shady Vance to take care of them! ***GAG RETCH BARF***

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
23. Professional women choose a path to misery
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:35 PM
Aug 2024

for ignorant men who think their dick entitles them to be catered to by mommy substitutes for as long as they live.

Anybody else get the feeling this guy hates his life, resents his wife for sticking him with three kids, and can’t stand the idea of anyone else escaping his fate?

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
28. I dunno. He sure is obsessed with reproduction, maybe he thinks 3 kids is not enough?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:59 PM
Aug 2024

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
32. He's obsessed with other people's reproduction.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:17 PM
Aug 2024

People who are happy with their choices don’t usually resent and obsess over other people’s.

I’m a childfree woman who has been called selfish etc all her life because of it. Not that I care. At this point they might as well just say “I hate my life and I’m jealous of yours.” Get a few glasses of wine in them, and they’ll tell you that flat out.

GopherGal

(2,903 posts)
66. This professional woman would love to have a quarter for every minute spent in meetings...
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 09:09 PM
Sep 2024

that ran past the end of the workday because the married men with kids were avoiding going home.

Of course the boss was one of the married dads, so the meeting kept going and going and going. My favorite year was the year the boss had day-care-pickup duty and had to pay $1 per minute for late pick-up after 6 PM. I had started noticing that if a meeting lasted until 6:30 or later, almost all the talking after the scheduled end at 5 PM was by the married dads. The unmarried and married/no kids types were all going into "if I don't volunteer any more ideas hopefully the meeting will end soon" mode while the married dads kept yammering.

Oh, and when the boss said "looks like we're through the agenda, what else can we talk about?" was when I first learned that apparently I am not gifted with Sith Force-choking abilities.

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
67. At least they bothered to fake it.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 10:26 PM
Sep 2024

I worked in an office where the married dads would pop in a movie and break out the popcorn at 5pm. They would hang out for hours “to beat the traffic”. Of course the wives thought the poor dears were severely overworked. I would hear them on the phone lying their asses off. They didn’t have a couple more hours worth of work to do. They just didn’t want to go home.

travelingthrulife

(5,166 posts)
25. Wonder where all these miserable professional women hang out?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:55 PM
Aug 2024

I am a childless person who used to be a professional woman. I have not heard any of them express misery at being childless unless they had hoped and planned to have children and it didn't work out for them. Childless people's lives were usually as full and happy as anyone else's life, maybe more, because there is more money available for pleasurable and essential things. The tricky part is finding help during aging and end of life, but many people who did have children face the same problem.

Ocelot II

(130,488 posts)
36. Same here, and on top of it all I'm a cat lady. And not even slightly miserable.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:21 PM
Aug 2024

I had a good education, experienced two professional careers, enjoyed my work, retired comfortably with cats, and never had to depend on a man for my livelihood or safety. Of the other professional women I know, not one has said she ever regretted taking on a career instead of staying home to reproduce and to fetch and carry for a husband.

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
38. I'm the same.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:25 PM
Aug 2024

The only ones I ever heard express disappointment at not having kids were men. Not surprising, since they don’t do the work.

meow2u3

(25,250 posts)
29. Translation: Closet case chose a path to misery
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:07 PM
Aug 2024

and is taking it out of women who don't fit his itty bitty mold.

Old Crank

(7,041 posts)
30. So every elected GOP woman
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:08 PM
Aug 2024

Choose to be miserable.

Why don't tbey slap these Vance like fools down.

zorbasd

(526 posts)
47. To the Vances of the world
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:51 PM
Aug 2024

the vitriol does not apply to GOP women, it only applies to progressive women...you see, even GOP women pile on with no hint of hypocrisy. These are the out and out facsists.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
33. B.S.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:18 PM
Aug 2024

This retired professional woman is comfortable and satisfied.

Thanks, folks, for my U.S. pension.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
34. Is that what he tells Usha? "So my wife had this baby, " Usha? "So her mom took a year's leave of absence, " Usha?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:19 PM
Aug 2024

By all the goddesses, Usha, please rethink your life with this abusive jerk.

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
39. It's her life. At least I hope it is.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:28 PM
Aug 2024

Before I knew she was educated I could have sworn her parents sold her to him.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
41. They met in law school, at an age when people fall in love or convince themselves they are in love.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:33 PM
Aug 2024

Usha clerked for not one but two Supreme Court Justices — both far right. That woman is smart as a whip and hard working. But then, so is Amy Coney Barrett.

Think about it. She could go far.



Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
52. She could go a lot farther if she
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 03:15 PM
Aug 2024

got rid of 200 pounds of dead weight. A guy like that will do everything he can to make sure she remains dependent.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
53. I agree with that, but my guess is he plays mind-games
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 03:34 PM
Aug 2024

Back in the day we used to call it mind-fucking. Trump definitely works that way.

Beck23

(411 posts)
40. Women with children
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:29 PM
Aug 2024

If my experience growing up is any indication, not all women who have children like children, so they aren't all that happy.

Demobrat

(10,298 posts)
54. In my experience growing up
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 04:23 PM
Aug 2024

women didn’t have kids because they wanted them. They had kids because they got pregnant. My mother was one.

zorbasd

(526 posts)
42. Seems like Vance views alot of youtube content..
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:33 PM
Aug 2024

it's teeming with "antiprofessional women" bloggers, who make alot of money on clicks.
It is truly his driving force and where he gets his ideas and statements about women.

Warpy

(114,602 posts)
43. JD needs to look at that thing he's running with
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:37 PM
Aug 2024

who followed his dick out of at least 2 marriages (and #3 is looking mighty shaky), abandoning 2 women and 4 children, although he did toss them all financial support.

JD hates his mommy for letting him down when he was a kid, we all get that. Maybe he needs to focus on his daddy, whoever he was, who impregnated his mom and moved on.

JD needs to ask himself why he didn't pursue a "career" as an unpaid domestic servant if it's such a wonderful thing.

JD needs to clean up his own shitty life before he criticizes anyone else.

Democrats want to give mothers support. JD just wants to blame us, no matter what our life path is because he hates his mommy.

karynnj

(60,958 posts)
45. Yet look at the woman he married, a very accomplished professional woman
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:47 PM
Aug 2024

As she is the professional woman he knows best, does he think her life is miserable? If not, why is he convinced other professional women are miserable? He really is weird.

dlk

(13,245 posts)
48. Every day, Vance shares new ways that he hates women
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:57 PM
Aug 2024

There is something seriously wrong with him.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
57. He's like a bottomless pit of misogyny.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 04:52 PM
Aug 2024

I don't even understand what rock he crawled out from under. I wasn't familiar with anything but his last name.
.

dlk

(13,245 posts)
65. He's right home in the women-haters party
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 10:28 AM
Sep 2024

So many of their views on women sound just like those of middle eastern religious extremists, and belong in the Dark Ages.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
60. I just posted on another of these threads
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 05:19 PM
Aug 2024

That it was telling how my MD mother, back when not many women were career women, never mind doctors, was in the minority of women wherever we lived who wasn't an alcoholic or hooked on prescription drugs.

The majority of housewives we knew were all wired on something, every single day. Some of them were so far gone that my mother wouldn't let us kids go into their homes, and we were under strict orders never to get into a car with any of them who were behind the wheel. Not unless we had a death wish.

You'd think if having one of the ultimate professional careers was so horrible for women, then my mother would have been the one on drugs. But she wasn't. She was happy. Anytime I asked her how she handled the stress of her job, she'd say, 'What stress? My work's not stressful. It's often challenging, but that's what makes it great!'

She's in her mid-80s now, still 5' nothing, and I'm pretty sure she can still take this wimpy chauvinist pig.

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