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madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 09:25 AM Sep 2024

Hamas executed the 6 hostages rather than allow them to be rescued.

IDF soldiers were near. Hamas chose to execute these 6 hostages rather than allow their possible rescue. They were murdered days ago. They were found shot in the head.
Hamas is an evil entity. Their goal never will be a path toward peace. Their goal is to bring death and mayhem to the Jewish people, not just in Israel but everywhere in the world. Hamas has no interest in the future of the Palestinian people. Their goal is Jihad.

May all who celebrate Hamas, make excuses for Hamas, have ever uttered the words "what about?" be cursed.

These innocent people endured nearly 11 months of captivity and horror. May their memories forever be a blessing.

Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27

עם ישראל חי

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Hamas executed the 6 hostages rather than allow them to be rescued. (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2024 OP
I'm waiting for the What Abouts JustAnotherGen Sep 2024 #1
Like Hamas did on Oct 7 when they've been called Cha Sep 2024 #35
Circles always close. Hamas will pay 100 fold for their crimes against humanity. PeaceWave Sep 2024 #49
NYT's reports each side says the other side killed hostages womanofthehills Sep 2024 #70
Hamas is LYING, as always. Hamas shot them 1-2 days before IDF found them. SunSeeker Sep 2024 #75
JesusFuckingChrist!!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #77
It is NOT hard to know! madaboutharry Sep 2024 #90
I really hate to say this, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #91
Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #93
Haaretz reports womanofthehills Sep 2024 #119
What utter bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #121
I'm trying to be generous here... Happy Hoosier Sep 2024 #145
The NYT says that? Well golly gee whiz. I remember how impossible it was to know who did My Lai... Hekate Sep 2024 #95
The NYT reported that Hamas claimed that. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #122
That is some small comfort Hekate Sep 2024 #123
Really? The NYT? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #96
Having read their reporting on this conflict since it started. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #124
You have your opinion, I have mine, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #125
Your opinion is pretty common on DU. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #127
I'm kind of confused, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #128
The "let's leave it at that" part, of course. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #133
Holy fuck . . . Richard D Sep 2024 #103
That's so heartbreaking wendyb-NC Sep 2024 #69
I know... 💙 Cha Sep 2024 #71
My feeling too LiberalFighter Sep 2024 #108
So, so sickening. Traumatic just reading about it. wordstroken Sep 2024 #59
I knew right away on Oct. 7 that Hamas did wrong by Palestinians. JoeColo Sep 2024 #67
Because a thousand dead Israelis are a tragedy and thirty-thousand + is merely statistic? marble falls Sep 2024 #116
knr n/t ChazII Sep 2024 #2
This is shocking and horrible. They endured unspeakable horrors. samsingh Sep 2024 #3
"It's Israel's fault!!11" mcar Sep 2024 #4
Didn't.. adnoid Sep 2024 #7
It sure didn't but was expected. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #12
I've already seen Harris & Biden blamed on FB. oldsoftie Sep 2024 #79
Some here call those animals freedom fighters. nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #5
Posts like that should be deleted. Elessar Zappa Sep 2024 #8
Trump and Netenyahoo have blood on their hands on this one aeromanKC Sep 2024 #6
LOL, this is sarcasm, right? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #11
Yep, Trump and Netenyahoo are prolonging the massacre aeromanKC Sep 2024 #15
And yet it went without saying in your first post. hardluck Sep 2024 #16
LOLOL. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #17
yeah. but, see, you LED with the "blood on hands .." stopdiggin Sep 2024 #18
Not a word about terrorists murdering hostages. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #31
I think aero is correct underpants Sep 2024 #51
And I think they're incorrect, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #94
It's a conundrum underpants Sep 2024 #97
Not for me it isn't. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #98
Hamas killed them. Elessar Zappa Sep 2024 #14
And here you are, more or less, excusing what horrors HAMAs inflicted on these innocent MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #19
No it's not. Fuck Netenyahoo not Israel. aeromanKC Sep 2024 #21
You sure didn't put that in you initial post, which would lead a reasonable person to MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #22
Nevermind? Not so quick!! The only thing missing was the word too aeromanKC Sep 2024 #24
And here you are excusing what those HAMAs animals did by murdering the hostages. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #25
There is no "too" Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #46
There is no "too". Hamas took the hostages in the first place TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #86
Nary a dung beetle or a blade of grass. AloeVera Sep 2024 #109
No, shame on Hamas for Oct 7th, raping, killing, and torturing JohnSJ Sep 2024 #26
Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #27
And don't forget Netenyahoo too!! aeromanKC Sep 2024 #32
Netanyahu didn't kidnap the hostages. Netanyahu didn't kill the hostasges. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #45
Bullshit. Netanyahu didn't force Hamas to invade Israel and rape, torture, kill, and take hostages. That is All on JohnSJ Sep 2024 #50
So, Netty was supposed to invade Gaza BEFORE the attack, to stop it? yagotme Sep 2024 #88
Just as Bush knew about 9/11 aeromanKC Sep 2024 #89
Bullshit Richard D Sep 2024 #104
Fuck the war criminal Netenyahoo!!! aeromanKC Sep 2024 #110
I would add . . . Richard D Sep 2024 #112
First of All Fucking Hamas has BLOOD on their Fucking HANDS Cha Sep 2024 #36
TY, Cha Hekate Sep 2024 #138
You're Welcome, Hekate.. Cha Sep 2024 #143
What a despicable post. yardwork Sep 2024 #41
That doesn't absolve Hamas. iemanja Sep 2024 #55
May they RIP. Elessar Zappa Sep 2024 #9
Look in their eyes. Richard D Sep 2024 #10
🪬 🪬 🪬 🪬 🪬 🪬 Hekate Sep 2024 #100
Hamas is a vile terrorist regime that should be wiped out to its last member. Orrex Sep 2024 #13
Eradicate Hamas and anyone providing material support or comfort to Hamas. Lucky Luciano Sep 2024 #20
Hersch's parents spoke at the DNC, it must be excruciating hell for all the families Bev54 Sep 2024 #23
Say their names Ruby Zee Sep 2024 #28
Four of them in their twenties... sheshe2 Sep 2024 #29
K&R betsuni Sep 2024 #30
This is what the "pro-Palestinian" protestors are marching in support of. tritsofme Sep 2024 #33
Yep. It's so ugly and horrific. Dorian Gray Sep 2024 #43
Aside from a few people, no underpants Sep 2024 #52
In the US the "pro-Palestinian" protesters are allowing themselves to be USED despicably Hekate Sep 2024 #99
And what were the massive protests in Israel about? Voltaire2 Sep 2024 #132
Excuse me. Do you think the Israeli Jews are calling for themselves to be driven into the sea? Hekate Sep 2024 #137
no, I think they were demanding that th government implement a ceasefire immediately. Voltaire2 Sep 2024 #146
Wrong. Sky Jewels Sep 2024 #58
In Chicago on the day after... Lucky Luciano Sep 2024 #64
Vicious and hateful. PeaceWave Sep 2024 #68
Agreed Lucky Luciano Sep 2024 #84
I saw the same. Unapologetic celebrations of Hamas. yardwork Sep 2024 #85
Most of them are "followers"; not knowing the full story of what they're even protesting. oldsoftie Sep 2024 #81
They should be protesting for HAMAS to return the hostages, and deliver the criminals and rapists RandomNumbers Sep 2024 #107
Then the protesters need to do a MUCH better job of policing their marches NickB79 Sep 2024 #118
What I've been saying from the get-go Hekate Sep 2024 #139
Yes We've Seen So Many of their Videos with Hamas Flags and Fucking Slogans. Cha Sep 2024 #62
Carryong "Globalize the Intifada" signs. Idiots & puppets. oldsoftie Sep 2024 #80
Will the "protesters" finally say something about Hamas? Up until now, their outrage has been pretty lopsided. nt Tarheel_Dem Sep 2024 #34
What more can they say? They have demonstrated their unqualified support for Hamas over and over. Best to believe them. tritsofme Sep 2024 #37
Yeah. I knew it was a rhetorical question, but my frustration with these disrespectful "protesters" sometimes gets.. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2024 #39
They're not protesting Sympthsical Sep 2024 #44
"Advocating" my Aunt Fannie. What's been clear from the outset is these "protesters" were proud of what... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2024 #48
I think we both know the answer to that question. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #38
Pro-Palestinians keep talking about children who are shot in the head. yardwork Sep 2024 #40
May their memories be blessings to all who knew them Dorian Gray Sep 2024 #42
Horrible. mzmolly Sep 2024 #47
TOTALLY Agree! Raine Sep 2024 #53
My heart goes out to their families iemanja Sep 2024 #54
I agree. Those who align themselves with Hamas have made a grave mistake Buckeyeblue Sep 2024 #56
Too many victims or terrorist attacks on both sides onandup Sep 2024 #57
it is all just disgusting Skittles Sep 2024 #60
Talk to GD Fucking Hamas about that.. They Just EXECUTED Cha Sep 2024 #61
Cha, thank you. madaboutharry Sep 2024 #73
You're so Welcome, mad 💙🕊️🕯️🇮🇱 Cha Sep 2024 #115
Interesting. Just got here June 27 and already convinced that "both sides do it" Hekate Sep 2024 #101
It is always some tired "both sides" garbage when Hamas is clearly responsible TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #114
But, but...They were killed by IDF or It's Israel's fault...Hamas will say.... LeftInTX Sep 2024 #63
Those responses are predictable. madaboutharry Sep 2024 #74
The shitbag Hamas-lovers & Free Palestine parakeets are to blame for this fuck ass shit. I don't cotton to a fuckstain. SoFlaBro Sep 2024 #65
Shocking, disgusting, cowardly, and evil.... Dem4life1970 Sep 2024 #66
Has the United Nations condemned HAMAS no_hypocrisy Sep 2024 #72
Have they EVER? oldsoftie Sep 2024 #78
HAMAS uses Palestinians as human shields. As they have always done. RandomNumbers Sep 2024 #106
Hamas and Netanyahu (and those aligned with him) soandso Sep 2024 #117
Amen. Joinfortmill Sep 2024 #76
HAMAS wants to spread their hateful ideology throughout the world. OrlandoDem2 Sep 2024 #82
Not only Hamas, people don't get this is a jihad vs the west elias7 Sep 2024 #83
So few understand or see this. Richard D Sep 2024 #87
Disgusting Calculating Sep 2024 #92
It's a horrific communication . . . Richard D Sep 2024 #102
I fear so Hekate Sep 2024 #105
Don't worry, they're already there. $20B worth. AloeVera Sep 2024 #111
Depraved, vicious barbarians Mysterian Sep 2024 #113
Well put.. Mahalo 🕯️🕊️💜🇮🇱 Cha Sep 2024 #120
Hamas took hostages. Hostages are dead. RandySF Sep 2024 #126
Netanyahu allowed Hamas to attack Israel and is delaying negotiations to appease Donald Trump tenderfoot Sep 2024 #129
Which has zero to do with this thread, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #130
Does that excuse Hamas for murdering the hostages? sarisataka Sep 2024 #131
Israel can always bomb more hospitals to make up for it. More casualties. tenderfoot Sep 2024 #134
That you could not answer the question with a yes or no is revealing. sarisataka Sep 2024 #135
This on Benjamin Netanyahu not me. tenderfoot Sep 2024 #140
I think it is on sarisataka Sep 2024 #142
Your non answer is very revealing. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #136
Benjamin Netanyahu can end this anytime. tenderfoot Sep 2024 #141
Netanyahu didn't start it - the terrorists Hamas took hostages TBF Sep 2024 #147
Netanyahu LIHOP to avoid jail tenderfoot Sep 2024 #149
You're wasting your time. nt TBF Sep 2024 #150
Israelis are pissed at Netanyahoo for his continually moving goals posts on cease fire negotiations. Chakaconcarne Sep 2024 #144
Pure evil Sugarcoated Sep 2024 #148
Netanyahu derailed a potential Gaza hostage deal in July, Israeli newspaper reports Chakaconcarne Sep 2024 #151

JustAnotherGen

(38,046 posts)
1. I'm waiting for the What Abouts
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 10:07 AM
Sep 2024

To dismiss their executions because - reasons. Harsh hurts my soul in the same way Brittney Griner 's captivity in Russia did.

It hurts my SOUL that they survived 11 months and Hamas did it to show their depravity and cruelty.

Cha

(319,041 posts)
35. Like Hamas did on Oct 7 when they've been called
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:24 PM
Sep 2024

Last edited Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:48 AM - Edit history (1)

Fucking "freedom fighters".

It's not hard to see why many of us Hate the so called "protesters" who Chant their Slogans and wave around the fucking Hamas flags and Defile Jewish businesses and Attack Jewish Students..


Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27

SunSeeker

(58,270 posts)
75. Hamas is LYING, as always. Hamas shot them 1-2 days before IDF found them.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:43 AM
Sep 2024

When they were found, they had already been shot, well before the IDF had entered the tunnel. They had been dead for one or two days before they were discovered; they appeared to have been shot on Thursday or Friday, no doubt Hamas had realized the IDF was closing in. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-bodies-found-in-gaza-rcna169125

And think about it. Why would the IDF shoot these hostages? Netanyahu would have benefited greatly politically if he had managed to rescue them alive. With them dead, Israel has predictably erupted in protest, calling him incompetent and calling for his ouster.

Hamas, on the other hand, wants to discourage rescue attempts. One sick but effective way to do that is to kill the hostage if a rescue attempt is made. This is pretty typical kidnapper behavior.

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
90. It is NOT hard to know!
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 11:54 AM
Sep 2024

Hamas is comprised of psychopathic evil terrorists whose intent is Jihad!

Thinking of a famous quote from Maya Angelou right now.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
119. Haaretz reports
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:50 PM
Sep 2024

Haaretz:

“In the wake of Saturday's recovery of the bodies of six Israeli hostages killed execution-style by Hamas in Gaza, reactions across the Arab world have been varied and intense.”

“However, a significant number of commentators and analysts rejected this narrative, arguing that Israel might have had a role in the deaths, whether directly or through negligence, and is now using Hamas as a convenient scapegoat.”


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MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
121. What utter bullshit,
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:15 PM
Sep 2024

So now that HAMAs has openly admitted to murdering those HOSTAGES, yes, hostages and have said they'll murder other HOSTAGES, again, hostages, if the IDF attempts a rescue op,
do you still insist on believing HAMAs that the IDF are responsible?

Your trying to throw doubt on HAMAs murdering these HOSTAGES, one more time, hostages, is disgusting in my view.

Happy Hoosier

(9,533 posts)
145. I'm trying to be generous here...
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 04:01 PM
Sep 2024

... but I've seen you time and again try and defelct blame from Hamas. You can support Palestinians and oppose Netenyahoo, or even Israel in general, while still acknowledging the wrong-doing of the brutal Hamas terrorists.

And when you fail to do so, it undermines your other statements substantially. if you think you are being a good advocate for Palestine, I urge you to reconsider your constant efforts to excuse Hamas.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
95. The NYT says that? Well golly gee whiz. I remember how impossible it was to know who did My Lai...
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:12 PM
Sep 2024




Anyone too young to know about My Lai can just go look it up in a reputable source.

maxsolomon

(38,698 posts)
122. The NYT reported that Hamas claimed that.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:29 PM
Sep 2024

Which is accurate: Hamas claimed that they were killed by IDF gunfire.

The NYT didn't say it was true.

maxsolomon

(38,698 posts)
124. Having read their reporting on this conflict since it started.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:42 PM
Sep 2024

I don't see this bias you see.

Every report on Gaza is written in their "objective" style; every tally of casualties from an IDF action is appended with "per the Hamas-run Ministry of Health" or the equivalent.

Did you detect anti-Israel bias in their reporting on the Gaza Polio-vaccination campaign over the weekend?

maxsolomon

(38,698 posts)
127. Your opinion is pretty common on DU.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:53 PM
Sep 2024

The NYT gets held to a standard that no other MSM paper is. Not the WaPo, certainly not the WSJ or USA Today.

It's almost like they're the Democratic Party of Newspapers - more is expected, less is forgiven.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
108. My feeling too
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:57 PM
Sep 2024

Those supporting Palestine are supporting Hamas. It doesn't help when they allow Hamas flags to be flown or pro-Hamas statements are waved within their groups.

I cannot support these Palestinian groups. I cannot support them when they attack Jewish groups in the USA.

I cannot support the demands they are making on Biden. Without considering the work he is trying to make with all parties involved.

 

JoeColo

(10 posts)
67. I knew right away on Oct. 7 that Hamas did wrong by Palestinians.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:31 AM
Sep 2024

Supposedly "their people," but they just don't care about them. There was absolutely zero chance of anything good coming out of it for them, and every chance of everything bad. Israel always retaliates for Hamas attacks, and even a 2-year-old would know they'd retaliate much harder than in the past. This latest is going to make it worse for the Palestinians than it already is.

marble falls

(71,911 posts)
116. Because a thousand dead Israelis are a tragedy and thirty-thousand + is merely statistic?
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:43 PM
Sep 2024

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
8. Posts like that should be deleted.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:22 AM
Sep 2024

Posters shouldn’t be allowed to celebrate terrorists here.

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
6. Trump and Netenyahoo have blood on their hands on this one
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:07 AM
Sep 2024

Shame on both of them for prolonging this war!!

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
11. LOL, this is sarcasm, right?
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:23 AM
Sep 2024

If so, you forgot this:
Unless of course you're serious?J
Are you?

Ya know, maybe if HAMAs hadn't invaded Israel in the first place, raping, murdering, desecrating bodies, kidnapping innocent civilians, the hostages would still be alive, but I suppose that because Israel tried to rescue those hostages, it's their fault and are responsible for their deaths.
JGTFG.

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
15. Yep, Trump and Netenyahoo are prolonging the massacre
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:27 AM
Sep 2024

Again, shame on them!!

It also goes without saying Fuck Hamas too!! But that's a given.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
17. LOLOL.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:32 AM
Sep 2024

Yeah, ok, I guess you're right, , see how I added this, but I suppose you won't get it.

Have a great Sunday, unlike the dead hostages that HAMAs murdered.

stopdiggin

(15,459 posts)
18. yeah. but, see, you LED with the "blood on hands .."
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:36 AM
Sep 2024

bit about Trump and Neti. And didn't get around to Hamas at all until ...
Well, let's just say - later?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
31. Not a word about terrorists murdering hostages.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 01:07 PM
Sep 2024

It's as if this is not relevant when terrorists murder hostages.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
19. And here you are, more or less, excusing what horrors HAMAs inflicted on these innocent
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:39 AM
Sep 2024

civilians before they murdered them, shame on you for not condemning HAMAs, for you, it's all about Israel being the villain.

The transparency is glaring.

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
21. No it's not. Fuck Netenyahoo not Israel.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:44 AM
Sep 2024

Fuck Hamas. Fuck Netenyahoo. Fuck Trump.

Netenyahoo knew about and October 7th and let it happen. I will always believe that.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
22. You sure didn't put that in you initial post, which would lead a reasonable person to
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:47 AM
Sep 2024

conclude that you.........oh, never mind, you know what you did and all the denying it won't change it.
Have a great Sunday and the following Labor Day, something the DEAD HOSTAGES don't get because HAMAs murdered them rather than let the IDF rescue them.

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
24. Nevermind? Not so quick!! The only thing missing was the word too
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:58 AM
Sep 2024

at the end of my original subject line. Blood is on their hands TOO!! 3 of the 6 hostages murdered by Hamas were in line to be released before Trump's call to Netenyahoo.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
25. And here you are excusing what those HAMAs animals did by murdering the hostages.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 12:23 PM
Sep 2024

You're being very transparent here, but you do you.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
46. There is no "too"
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 03:10 PM
Sep 2024

Terrorists kidnapped and killed hostages. Who else kidnapped and killed hostages "too"?

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
86. There is no "too". Hamas took the hostages in the first place
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 09:37 AM
Sep 2024

meaning they were wholly responsible for them being in any danger at all.

They then murdered the hostages just to be certain because their lives were leverage and if the leverage was in danger of loss then they had no further purpose.

"In line for release"????

MADNESS!!!

They should have never been "in line" for being kidnapped into captivity at all!

Your "fuck Hamas" was "silent" (non existent actually) because it was an afterthought at most, yet they are the ones that took the hostages in the first place and then killed them rather than suffering the thought they would be freed.

Here is a "deal" release the rest of the hostages immediately and surrender or know what a "killing season" really is. How about nary a dung beetle nor blade of grass, final answer so think clearly.

AloeVera

(4,257 posts)
109. Nary a dung beetle or a blade of grass.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:01 PM
Sep 2024

There are 6 recs so far for a post threatening total annihilation of every living organism. More than Genocide. Armageddon of Palestinians and their land and all who live on it.

Terrifying and shocking.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
26. No, shame on Hamas for Oct 7th, raping, killing, and torturing
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 12:30 PM
Sep 2024

and shame on those who make excuses for the depravity of Hamas who started this

Hamas is the one who has blood on their hands, and that includes the deaths of Palestinians

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
32. And don't forget Netenyahoo too!!
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 01:37 PM
Sep 2024

Netenyahoo knew and let it happen. Hamas is not the only one with blood on their hands. Netenyahoo could have prevented Oct.7th and didn't for personal reasons.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
45. Netanyahu didn't kidnap the hostages. Netanyahu didn't kill the hostasges.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 03:04 PM
Sep 2024

Let's not twist any genuine concern for the hostages out of deflecting from the murdering terrorists, ok?

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
50. Bullshit. Netanyahu didn't force Hamas to invade Israel and rape, torture, kill, and take hostages. That is All on
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 05:54 PM
Sep 2024

hamas.

This is like blaming the victims over the rapist. What happened on October 7th has nothing to do with Netanyahu.






yagotme

(4,135 posts)
88. So, Netty was supposed to invade Gaza BEFORE the attack, to stop it?
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 10:42 AM
Sep 2024

Or something like that?

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
89. Just as Bush knew about 9/11
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 10:47 AM
Sep 2024

Bush knew and let it happen. 9/11 blood is on W's hand. (TOO)

aeromanKC

(3,889 posts)
110. Fuck the war criminal Netenyahoo!!!
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:10 PM
Sep 2024

And oh ya, fuck the anti human vile filth Hamas TOO!!

 

Richard D

(10,018 posts)
112. I would add . . .
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:36 PM
Sep 2024

. . . fuck the antisemites (but I wouldn't want to catch their diseases).

Cha

(319,041 posts)
36. First of All Fucking Hamas has BLOOD on their Fucking HANDS
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:28 PM
Sep 2024
Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27

Lucky Luciano

(11,862 posts)
20. Eradicate Hamas and anyone providing material support or comfort to Hamas.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:41 AM
Sep 2024

It is not collateral damage if you provide aid and comfort to such a sadistic group of “people”. A provider of any aid or comfort is effectively part of Hamas and their elimination is part of the goal.

Ruby Zee

(206 posts)
28. Say their names
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 12:37 PM
Sep 2024

Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27

sheshe2

(97,606 posts)
29. Four of them in their twenties...
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 12:40 PM
Sep 2024

They were just kids and had their whole life in front of them, they all did.

All six held for 11 months then shot in the head as they were about to be rescued, the cruelty is unbearable and makes me sick. I can’t even.


underpants

(196,471 posts)
52. Aside from a few people, no
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 06:06 PM
Sep 2024

Pro-Palestinians are pro them. That’s it. They aren’t (by definition) anti-Israel, as I am not. They could be anti-Bibi and definitely anti-IDF etc., as I am.

The Palestinians are a people. They have been abused and used and deserve better. The have every right to housing food and respect (which solves most world problems).

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
99. In the US the "pro-Palestinian" protesters are allowing themselves to be USED despicably
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:37 PM
Sep 2024

Last edited Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)

What kind of person defaces a beautiful library with red handprints? What kind of person paints death-signs on people’s front doors? What kind of person encourages and celebrates violence against American Jews just for existing, for being prominent in academia? What kind of person calls for the utter extinction of the State of Israel and every person in it?

If American protestors don’t understand the meaning of the slogans they chant and the meaning of the symbols they splash on people’s houses — then they are idiots who don’t understand the nature of the company they keep.




Hekate

(100,133 posts)
137. Excuse me. Do you think the Israeli Jews are calling for themselves to be driven into the sea?
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 01:39 PM
Sep 2024

Painting Hamas symbols that mean “kill the occupants” on their own front doors in Tel Aviv?

Because that is what is happening here in the US. Somebody in the mobs of young American protestors sure as hell knows what these things mean. While American protestors wear their keffiyahs from Amazon, they might give some thought to who they are keeping company with. The slogans and vandalism are from Hamas, a terrorist organization. Anyone who claims to be Pro-Palestinian must reject Hamas, or be thought a fool.

We are assuredly not living in the best of all possible worlds.

Israelis who are marching against Netanyahu want the best of what their country stands for to return. But they assuredly have not forgotten the attack on Oct. 7 last year, nor have they forgotten the well-documented atrocities committed by Hamas on that day. Hamas is a jihadist terrorist group, and they will kill anyone who gets in their way, whether Palestinian or Gazan or Jew.




Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
146. no, I think they were demanding that th government implement a ceasefire immediately.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 04:52 PM
Sep 2024

I'll be right back after I remove all the words you put in my mouth.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
58. Wrong.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 07:17 PM
Sep 2024

The vast, vast majority of protesters are marching because they are horrified that Netanyahu's IDF has ruthlessly slaughtered and maimed and starved tens of thousands of innocent Gazans and leveled countless neighborhoods. After Hamas (which is not the same as "all Gazans&quot inflicted unspeakable evil on Israelis on 10/7, Israel turned around and inflicted exponentially more evil on Gaza.

In my opinion, people who are upset by the deaths of some of the hostages and not by the deaths of tens of thousands of Gazans should take a look at their values and their humanity. For the record, I am horrified by both types of deaths. Gazans are just as human as Israelis, and vice versa.

Lucky Luciano

(11,862 posts)
64. In Chicago on the day after...
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:14 AM
Sep 2024

I saw celebration and Hamas supporters inspired by the previous day’s events. Palestinian flags waving from cars, honking horns, etc. They were exhilarated and inspired.

That’s why I don’t give a flying fuck about “innocent” Palestinians. They should have unequivocally denounced the hyper-sadistic operation of 10/7 and say that “while we believe Palestinians are treated badly, we do not condone such atrocities.” If they did this, I would agree that the Israeli response is not justified…but instead nobody seriously denounced the sadism of Hamas. They are therefore effectively Hamas.

Lucky Luciano

(11,862 posts)
84. Agreed
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 09:06 AM
Sep 2024

It was insane to see so many people inspired by such a vicious, hateful, and sadistic attack on thousands of people.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
85. I saw the same. Unapologetic celebrations of Hamas.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 09:11 AM
Sep 2024

Celebrations that Hamas "learned to fly" and engaged in "glorious retribution."

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
81. Most of them are "followers"; not knowing the full story of what they're even protesting.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 07:59 AM
Sep 2024

Many are also PAID to be there. Just like the types who "protest" in Atlanta; almost all of those arrested aren't even from GEORRGIA, much less ATL.
Paid to agitate.

RandomNumbers

(19,156 posts)
107. They should be protesting for HAMAS to return the hostages, and deliver the criminals and rapists
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:54 PM
Sep 2024

of Oct 7 to justice.

Had the world truly turned on Hamas and forced them to do this on Oct. 8 - or anytime thereafter - where would we be now? How many lives saved and suffering avoided?

NickB79

(20,349 posts)
118. Then the protesters need to do a MUCH better job of policing their marches
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:50 PM
Sep 2024

Because they're allowing antisemites and pro-Hamas supporters to mingle and chant their disgusting slogans freely, with no pushback.

The fact they didn't IMMEDIATELY turn on those people within their ranks says a lot about where they stand.

Cha

(319,041 posts)
62. Yes We've Seen So Many of their Videos with Hamas Flags and Fucking Slogans.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:08 AM
Sep 2024

And, Harassing Jewish Students and Jewish Businesses.

Of course there are those in Denial.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
34. Will the "protesters" finally say something about Hamas? Up until now, their outrage has been pretty lopsided. nt
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:24 PM
Sep 2024

tritsofme

(19,898 posts)
37. What more can they say? They have demonstrated their unqualified support for Hamas over and over. Best to believe them.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:32 PM
Sep 2024

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
39. Yeah. I knew it was a rhetorical question, but my frustration with these disrespectful "protesters" sometimes gets..
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:42 PM
Sep 2024

the best of me.

Sympthsical

(10,962 posts)
44. They're not protesting
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 03:04 PM
Sep 2024

They're advocating.

And they are pellucidly clear on precisely what they are advocating for.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
48. "Advocating" my Aunt Fannie. What's been clear from the outset is these "protesters" were proud of what...
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 04:04 PM
Sep 2024

happened on 10/7. Otherwise, why haven't they come down hard against Hamas for kidnapping and killing innocent people & for the hell the Palestinians are suffering as a result of 10/7? Have you, like the M$M & these so-called "protesters", forgotten how all this shit got started?

Hamas got exactly the result they were looking for. I'll give them credit for one thing, they've got a helluva PR operation to make so many Americans fall for their "pro Palestinian" bs. It has nothing to do with being pro Palestine, it's all about being anti Israel.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
40. Pro-Palestinians keep talking about children who are shot in the head.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:46 PM
Sep 2024

Hamas are the ones who shoot people in the head. They have committed so many atrocities. When will it end.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
42. May their memories be blessings to all who knew them
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 02:51 PM
Sep 2024

I am so sad for all of them and their families. Horrific.

Cha

(319,041 posts)
61. Talk to GD Fucking Hamas about that.. They Just EXECUTED
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:03 AM
Sep 2024

Their Hostages So they Couldn't be RESCUED.

This is NOT a Fucking "Boh Sides "Thread.


Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
73. Cha, thank you.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:56 AM
Sep 2024

Hostages, innocent people kidnapped by terrorists, were shot in the head and executed. That shouldn’t be a platform for a both sides discussion. This is thread dedicated to the memory of 6 people murdered in cold blood by evil terrorists. It was not meant to be a debate.
😢

Cha, your kindness and support means a lot to many of us.

Cha

(319,041 posts)
115. You're so Welcome, mad 💙🕊️🕯️🇮🇱
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:52 PM
Sep 2024

It is just so unbearably sad and heart crushing for their loving families and friends. And all the people of the world who care what happens to the Hostages from October 7

Your kindness means a lot to me, mad

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
114. It is always some tired "both sides" garbage when Hamas is clearly responsible
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:15 PM
Sep 2024

but one side gets the blame squarely if there is any question or if a Palestinian is killed even if they are Hamas operatives because every single one is chalked as an innocent.

A murderous rapist is somehow filtered and Hatewashed into a new born babe in this stupid ass game.

LeftInTX

(34,251 posts)
63. But, but...They were killed by IDF or It's Israel's fault...Hamas will say....
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:10 AM
Sep 2024


"IDF soldiers killed them"
"IDF bombs mamed them so badly, that we put them out of their misery"
"They were IDF"
"They were killed by Israel".

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
74. Those responses are predictable.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:00 AM
Sep 2024

As predictable as the sun rising every morning. This is the world we live in. 😢

I have only this to say to the both sides and "what about" people: עם ישראל חי

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
65. The shitbag Hamas-lovers & Free Palestine parakeets are to blame for this fuck ass shit. I don't cotton to a fuckstain.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 12:20 AM
Sep 2024

no_hypocrisy

(54,894 posts)
72. Has the United Nations condemned HAMAS
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:25 AM
Sep 2024

not only for the kidnapping and murder of Israeli and Israeli-American citizens, but for mass murder of Palestinians?

Yes, the IDF did the killing, but HAMAS put the Palestinians in locations where they were at great risk of harm and death.

RandomNumbers

(19,156 posts)
106. HAMAS uses Palestinians as human shields. As they have always done.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:52 PM
Sep 2024

The existence of HAMAS is a continual violation of whatever is left of the rules of war.

Netanyahu and Likud have made their own contributions to making the conflict worse, for their own ends; but this was totally predictable and seemingly the precise plan of Hamas in planning the Oct. 7 atrocities.

The actions of HAMAS actually strengthen the right wing nutjobs in Israel. The HAMAS leaders don't care, because they are living comfortably outside of Gaza. They feed lies to the Gazans to get their support, then take horrific actions against Israel that are guaranteed to elicit draconian response - and create more suffering in Gaza, which they do not care about one bit, except its utility as propaganda.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
117. Hamas and Netanyahu (and those aligned with him)
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:11 PM
Sep 2024

seem to have some of the same objectives. Both sides want a fight to the death of the other and neither wants a two state solution.

elias7

(4,229 posts)
83. Not only Hamas, people don't get this is a jihad vs the west
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 08:53 AM
Sep 2024

The influencing on college campuses is a decade long plot to influence the minds of the young to be anti American, anti democratic, and covert them to Islam. Hamas is but one small piece, just as they are but one of the half dozen groups currently attacking Israel

 

Richard D

(10,018 posts)
87. So few understand or see this.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 10:10 AM
Sep 2024

It's so bloody clear if you look even a little deeper. When did the antisemetic and Israel hate demonstrations start? October 8, Maybe Oct 7. IOW before Israel counter-attacked Gaza. It was all planned.

Gaza is a sacrificial piece. Obviously, Hamas (Iran) doesn't care about Gazans. Hell, they could have ended the war anytime in the last 10 months. Or not started it. There would be a hellofalot of Gazans and Israelis alive today that are not.

But, of course someone will probably say that I'm Islamaphobic. Very little could be further from the truth.

 

Richard D

(10,018 posts)
102. It's a horrific communication . . .
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:11 PM
Sep 2024

. . . that none of the hostages will be returned alive.

AloeVera

(4,257 posts)
111. Don't worry, they're already there. $20B worth.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:17 PM
Sep 2024

God help the people of the Middle East and us all.

Mysterian

(6,482 posts)
113. Depraved, vicious barbarians
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:09 PM
Sep 2024

Hamas has chosen to wage an unending war against Israel. But it's always Israel called upon to end the violence.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
129. Netanyahu allowed Hamas to attack Israel and is delaying negotiations to appease Donald Trump
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:57 PM
Sep 2024

eom

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
130. Which has zero to do with this thread,
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 12:59 PM
Sep 2024

so please stop with the attempt to hijack this thread and start your own thread.

sarisataka

(22,685 posts)
135. That you could not answer the question with a yes or no is revealing.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 01:25 PM
Sep 2024

Are the murders justified because they Israelis or because they are "Zionists"

sarisataka

(22,685 posts)
142. I think it is on
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 02:44 PM
Sep 2024

The murderous bastards who shot innocent people in the head because there was a chance they could be freed to return home.

You may disagree the murderers have any responsibility. You would not be alone in that viewpoint. IMO, they could have chose NOT to pull the trigger, but they didn't.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,059 posts)
136. Your non answer is very revealing.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 01:28 PM
Sep 2024

And here you are again attempting to hijack the thread.
You're being very transparent here.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
141. Benjamin Netanyahu can end this anytime.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 02:33 PM
Sep 2024

Are you upset with Israelis protesting his inaction?

TBF

(36,644 posts)
147. Netanyahu didn't start it - the terrorists Hamas took hostages
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 05:04 PM
Sep 2024

on 10/11/23 and could release them at any point. Why are they assassinating them instead? Freedom fighters, my a**. Netanyahu is apparently the only world leader that is supposed to sit calmly and not defend his country. I'll be honest - I'm not conservative, and I'm certainly not his biggest fan. But he is also not the one who started this.

Chakaconcarne

(2,787 posts)
144. Israelis are pissed at Netanyahoo for his continually moving goals posts on cease fire negotiations.
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 03:32 PM
Sep 2024

3 of the hostages killed were listed as part of a cease-fire deal agreed to by Hamas.

Netanyahoo didn't kill the hostages, but he failed to save them in the eyes of many Israelis.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/02/world/video/protesters-israel-ceasefire-hostages-diamond-pkg-digvid



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