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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHamas executed the 6 hostages rather than allow them to be rescued.
IDF soldiers were near. Hamas chose to execute these 6 hostages rather than allow their possible rescue. They were murdered days ago. They were found shot in the head.
Hamas is an evil entity. Their goal never will be a path toward peace. Their goal is to bring death and mayhem to the Jewish people, not just in Israel but everywhere in the world. Hamas has no interest in the future of the Palestinian people. Their goal is Jihad.
May all who celebrate Hamas, make excuses for Hamas, have ever uttered the words "what about?" be cursed.
These innocent people endured nearly 11 months of captivity and horror. May their memories forever be a blessing.
Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
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Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27
עם ישראל חי
JustAnotherGen
(38,046 posts)To dismiss their executions because - reasons. Harsh hurts my soul in the same way Brittney Griner 's captivity in Russia did.
It hurts my SOUL that they survived 11 months and Hamas did it to show their depravity and cruelty.
Cha
(319,041 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:48 AM - Edit history (1)
Fucking "freedom fighters".
It's not hard to see why many of us Hate the so called "protesters" who Chant their Slogans and wave around the fucking Hamas flags and Defile Jewish businesses and Attack Jewish Students..
Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27
PeaceWave
(3,378 posts)womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Its hard to know in war!
SunSeeker
(58,270 posts)When they were found, they had already been shot, well before the IDF had entered the tunnel. They had been dead for one or two days before they were discovered; they appeared to have been shot on Thursday or Friday, no doubt Hamas had realized the IDF was closing in. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-bodies-found-in-gaza-rcna169125
And think about it. Why would the IDF shoot these hostages? Netanyahu would have benefited greatly politically if he had managed to rescue them alive. With them dead, Israel has predictably erupted in protest, calling him incompetent and calling for his ouster.
Hamas, on the other hand, wants to discourage rescue attempts. One sick but effective way to do that is to kill the hostage if a rescue attempt is made. This is pretty typical kidnapper behavior.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)Hamas is comprised of psychopathic evil terrorists whose intent is Jihad!
Thinking of a famous quote from Maya Angelou right now.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)but this one is constantly attempting to do the whataboutism.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)Taking this one to the proverbial woodshed.
Great job.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Haaretz:
In the wake of Saturday's recovery of the bodies of six Israeli hostages killed execution-style by Hamas in Gaza, reactions across the Arab world have been varied and intense.
However, a significant number of commentators and analysts rejected this narrative, arguing that Israel might have had a role in the deaths, whether directly or through negligence, and is now using Hamas as a convenient scapegoat.
Link to tweet
?s=46
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)So now that HAMAs has openly admitted to murdering those HOSTAGES, yes, hostages and have said they'll murder other HOSTAGES, again, hostages, if the IDF attempts a rescue op,
do you still insist on believing HAMAs that the IDF are responsible?
Your trying to throw doubt on HAMAs murdering these HOSTAGES, one more time, hostages, is disgusting in my view.
Happy Hoosier
(9,533 posts)... but I've seen you time and again try and defelct blame from Hamas. You can support Palestinians and oppose Netenyahoo, or even Israel in general, while still acknowledging the wrong-doing of the brutal Hamas terrorists.
And when you fail to do so, it undermines your other statements substantially. if you think you are being a good advocate for Palestine, I urge you to reconsider your constant efforts to excuse Hamas.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Anyone too young to know about My Lai can just go look it up in a reputable source.
maxsolomon
(38,698 posts)Which is accurate: Hamas claimed that they were killed by IDF gunfire.
The NYT didn't say it was true.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)Because they are sooooo unbiased against Israel.
maxsolomon
(38,698 posts)I don't see this
bias you see.
Every report on Gaza is written in their "objective" style; every tally of casualties from an IDF action is appended with "per the Hamas-run Ministry of Health" or the equivalent.
Did you detect anti-Israel bias in their reporting on the Gaza Polio-vaccination campaign over the weekend?
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)let's leave it at that.
maxsolomon
(38,698 posts)The NYT gets held to a standard that no other MSM paper is. Not the WaPo, certainly not the WSJ or USA Today.
It's almost like they're the Democratic Party of Newspapers - more is expected, less is forgiven.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)what part of let's leave it at that didn't you understand?
maxsolomon
(38,698 posts)Let's leave it at that.
Richard D
(10,018 posts). . . that is one of the most antisemetic things I've seen so far.
wendyb-NC
(4,687 posts)My heart goes out to them and their loved ones.
R.I.P.
Cha
(319,041 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Those supporting Palestine are supporting Hamas. It doesn't help when they allow Hamas flags to be flown or pro-Hamas statements are waved within their groups.
I cannot support these Palestinian groups. I cannot support them when they attack Jewish groups in the USA.
I cannot support the demands they are making on Biden. Without considering the work he is trying to make with all parties involved.
wordstroken
(1,406 posts)JoeColo
(10 posts)Supposedly "their people," but they just don't care about them. There was absolutely zero chance of anything good coming out of it for them, and every chance of everything bad. Israel always retaliates for Hamas attacks, and even a 2-year-old would know they'd retaliate much harder than in the past. This latest is going to make it worse for the Palestinians than it already is.
marble falls
(71,911 posts)ChazII
(6,448 posts)samsingh
(18,421 posts)mcar
(46,054 posts)You know someone will say this.
take long.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Posters shouldnt be allowed to celebrate terrorists here.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)Shame on both of them for prolonging this war!!
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)If so, you forgot this:
Unless of course you're serious?J
Are you?
Ya know, maybe if HAMAs hadn't invaded Israel in the first place, raping, murdering, desecrating bodies, kidnapping innocent civilians, the hostages would still be alive, but I suppose that because Israel tried to rescue those hostages, it's their fault and are responsible for their deaths.
JGTFG.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)Again, shame on them!!
It also goes without saying Fuck Hamas too!! But that's a given.
hardluck
(782 posts)Nice try .
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)Yeah, ok, I guess you're right,
, see how I added this, but I suppose you won't get it.
Have a great Sunday, unlike the dead hostages that HAMAs murdered.
stopdiggin
(15,459 posts)bit about Trump and Neti. And didn't get around to Hamas at all until ...
Well, let's just say - later?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)It's as if this is not relevant when terrorists murder hostages.
underpants
(196,471 posts)Its killing season for Bibi.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)so, now what?
underpants
(196,471 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Hamas is to blame. They have free will like everyone else.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)civilians before they murdered them, shame on you for not condemning HAMAs, for you, it's all about Israel being the villain.
The transparency is glaring.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)Fuck Hamas. Fuck Netenyahoo. Fuck Trump.
Netenyahoo knew about and October 7th and let it happen. I will always believe that.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)conclude that you.........oh, never mind, you know what you did and all the denying it won't change it.
Have a great Sunday and the following Labor Day, something the DEAD HOSTAGES don't get because HAMAs murdered them rather than let the IDF rescue them.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)at the end of my original subject line. Blood is on their hands TOO!! 3 of the 6 hostages murdered by Hamas were in line to be released before Trump's call to Netenyahoo.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)You're being very transparent here, but you do you.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Terrorists kidnapped and killed hostages. Who else kidnapped and killed hostages "too"?
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)meaning they were wholly responsible for them being in any danger at all.
They then murdered the hostages just to be certain because their lives were leverage and if the leverage was in danger of loss then they had no further purpose.
"In line for release"????
MADNESS!!!
They should have never been "in line" for being kidnapped into captivity at all!
Your "fuck Hamas" was "silent" (non existent actually) because it was an afterthought at most, yet they are the ones that took the hostages in the first place and then killed them rather than suffering the thought they would be freed.
Here is a "deal" release the rest of the hostages immediately and surrender or know what a "killing season" really is. How about nary a dung beetle nor blade of grass, final answer so think clearly.
AloeVera
(4,257 posts)There are 6 recs so far for a post threatening total annihilation of every living organism. More than Genocide. Armageddon of Palestinians and their land and all who live on it.
Terrifying and shocking.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)and shame on those who make excuses for the depravity of Hamas who started this
Hamas is the one who has blood on their hands, and that includes the deaths of Palestinians
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)This one is being very transparent.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)Netenyahoo knew and let it happen. Hamas is not the only one with blood on their hands. Netenyahoo could have prevented Oct.7th and didn't for personal reasons.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Let's not twist any genuine concern for the hostages out of deflecting from the murdering terrorists, ok?
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)hamas.
This is like blaming the victims over the rapist. What happened on October 7th has nothing to do with Netanyahu.
yagotme
(4,135 posts)Or something like that?
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)Bush knew and let it happen. 9/11 blood is on W's hand. (TOO)
Richard D
(10,018 posts)Here we have the "blood libel" antisemetic trope yet again.
aeromanKC
(3,889 posts)And oh ya, fuck the anti human vile filth Hamas TOO!!
Richard D
(10,018 posts). . . fuck the antisemites (but I wouldn't want to catch their diseases).
Cha
(319,041 posts)Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27
Cha
(319,041 posts)Mahalo to you
yardwork
(69,352 posts)iemanja
(57,752 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)And may Hamas be destroyed once and for all.
Richard D
(10,018 posts)Never forget.

Hekate
(100,133 posts)Orrex
(67,106 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,862 posts)It is not collateral damage if you provide aid and comfort to such a sadistic group of people. A provider of any aid or comfort is effectively part of Hamas and their elimination is part of the goal.
Bev54
(13,429 posts)Ruby Zee
(206 posts)Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27
sheshe2
(97,606 posts)They were just kids and had their whole life in front of them, they all did.
All six held for 11 months then shot in the head as they were about to be rescued, the cruelty is unbearable and makes me sick. I cant even.
betsuni
(29,069 posts)tritsofme
(19,898 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)underpants
(196,471 posts)Pro-Palestinians are pro them. Thats it. They arent (by definition) anti-Israel, as I am not. They could be anti-Bibi and definitely anti-IDF etc., as I am.
The Palestinians are a people. They have been abused and used and deserve better. The have every right to housing food and respect (which solves most world problems).
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)
What kind of person defaces a beautiful library with red handprints? What kind of person paints death-signs on peoples front doors? What kind of person encourages and celebrates violence against American Jews just for existing, for being prominent in academia? What kind of person calls for the utter extinction of the State of Israel and every person in it?
If American protestors dont understand the meaning of the slogans they chant and the meaning of the symbols they splash on peoples houses then they are idiots who dont understand the nature of the company they keep.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Painting Hamas symbols that mean kill the occupants on their own front doors in Tel Aviv?
Because that is what is happening here in the US. Somebody in the mobs of young American protestors sure as hell knows what these things mean. While American protestors wear their keffiyahs from Amazon, they might give some thought to who they are keeping company with. The slogans and vandalism are from Hamas, a terrorist organization. Anyone who claims to be Pro-Palestinian must reject Hamas, or be thought a fool.
We are assuredly not living in the best of all possible worlds.
Israelis who are marching against Netanyahu want the best of what their country stands for to return. But they assuredly have not forgotten the attack on Oct. 7 last year, nor have they forgotten the well-documented atrocities committed by Hamas on that day. Hamas is a jihadist terrorist group, and they will kill anyone who gets in their way, whether Palestinian or Gazan or Jew.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)I'll be right back after I remove all the words you put in my mouth.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)The vast, vast majority of protesters are marching because they are horrified that Netanyahu's IDF has ruthlessly slaughtered and maimed and starved tens of thousands of innocent Gazans and leveled countless neighborhoods. After Hamas (which is not the same as "all Gazans"
inflicted unspeakable evil on Israelis on 10/7, Israel turned around and inflicted exponentially more evil on Gaza.
In my opinion, people who are upset by the deaths of some of the hostages and not by the deaths of tens of thousands of Gazans should take a look at their values and their humanity. For the record, I am horrified by both types of deaths. Gazans are just as human as Israelis, and vice versa.
Lucky Luciano
(11,862 posts)I saw celebration and Hamas supporters inspired by the previous days events. Palestinian flags waving from cars, honking horns, etc. They were exhilarated and inspired.
Thats why I dont give a flying fuck about innocent Palestinians. They should have unequivocally denounced the hyper-sadistic operation of 10/7 and say that while we believe Palestinians are treated badly, we do not condone such atrocities. If they did this, I would agree that the Israeli response is not justified
but instead nobody seriously denounced the sadism of Hamas. They are therefore effectively Hamas.
PeaceWave
(3,378 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,862 posts)It was insane to see so many people inspired by such a vicious, hateful, and sadistic attack on thousands of people.
yardwork
(69,352 posts)Celebrations that Hamas "learned to fly" and engaged in "glorious retribution."
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Many are also PAID to be there. Just like the types who "protest" in Atlanta; almost all of those arrested aren't even from GEORRGIA, much less ATL.
Paid to agitate.
RandomNumbers
(19,156 posts)of Oct 7 to justice.
Had the world truly turned on Hamas and forced them to do this on Oct. 8 - or anytime thereafter - where would we be now? How many lives saved and suffering avoided?
NickB79
(20,349 posts)Because they're allowing antisemites and pro-Hamas supporters to mingle and chant their disgusting slogans freely, with no pushback.
The fact they didn't IMMEDIATELY turn on those people within their ranks says a lot about where they stand.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Cha
(319,041 posts)And, Harassing Jewish Students and Jewish Businesses.
Of course there are those in Denial.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)most are PAID agitators.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)tritsofme
(19,898 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)the best of me.
Sympthsical
(10,962 posts)They're advocating.
And they are pellucidly clear on precisely what they are advocating for.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)happened on 10/7. Otherwise, why haven't they come down hard against Hamas for kidnapping and killing innocent people & for the hell the Palestinians are suffering as a result of 10/7? Have you, like the M$M & these so-called "protesters", forgotten how all this shit got started?
Hamas got exactly the result they were looking for. I'll give them credit for one thing, they've got a helluva PR operation to make so many Americans fall for their "pro Palestinian" bs. It has nothing to do with being pro Palestine, it's all about being anti Israel.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)yardwork
(69,352 posts)Hamas are the ones who shoot people in the head. They have committed so many atrocities. When will it end.
Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)I am so sad for all of them and their families. Horrific.
mzmolly
(52,792 posts)Raine
(31,175 posts)They're TOTALLY EVIL, this makes me sick!
iemanja
(57,752 posts)What a horrible crime.
Buckeyeblue
(6,351 posts)onandup
(701 posts)RIP
Skittles
(171,689 posts)they hate each other endlessly, it just never ends
Cha
(319,041 posts)Their Hostages So they Couldn't be RESCUED.
This is NOT a Fucking "Boh Sides "Thread.
Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23
Eden Yerushalmi, 24
Ori Danino, 25
Alex Lubnov, 32
Carmel Gat, 40
Almog Sarusi, 27
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)Hostages, innocent people kidnapped by terrorists, were shot in the head and executed. That shouldnt be a platform for a both sides discussion. This is thread dedicated to the memory of 6 people murdered in cold blood by evil terrorists. It was not meant to be a debate.
😢
Cha, your kindness and support means a lot to many of us.
Cha
(319,041 posts)It is just so unbearably sad and heart crushing for their loving families and friends. And all the people of the world who care what happens to the Hostages from October 7
Your kindness means a lot to me, mad
Hekate
(100,133 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)but one side gets the blame squarely if there is any question or if a Palestinian is killed even if they are Hamas operatives because every single one is chalked as an innocent.
A murderous rapist is somehow filtered and Hatewashed into a new born babe in this stupid ass game.
LeftInTX
(34,251 posts)"IDF soldiers killed them"
"IDF bombs mamed them so badly, that we put them out of their misery"
"They were IDF"
"They were killed by Israel".
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)As predictable as the sun rising every morning. This is the world we live in. 😢
I have only this to say to the both sides and "what about" people: עם ישראל חי
SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)Dem4life1970
(1,056 posts)no_hypocrisy
(54,894 posts)not only for the kidnapping and murder of Israeli and Israeli-American citizens, but for mass murder of Palestinians?
Yes, the IDF did the killing, but HAMAS put the Palestinians in locations where they were at great risk of harm and death.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)RandomNumbers
(19,156 posts)The existence of HAMAS is a continual violation of whatever is left of the rules of war.
Netanyahu and Likud have made their own contributions to making the conflict worse, for their own ends; but this was totally predictable and seemingly the precise plan of Hamas in planning the Oct. 7 atrocities.
The actions of HAMAS actually strengthen the right wing nutjobs in Israel. The HAMAS leaders don't care, because they are living comfortably outside of Gaza. They feed lies to the Gazans to get their support, then take horrific actions against Israel that are guaranteed to elicit draconian response - and create more suffering in Gaza, which they do not care about one bit, except its utility as propaganda.
soandso
(1,631 posts)seem to have some of the same objectives. Both sides want a fight to the death of the other and neither wants a two state solution.
Joinfortmill
(21,144 posts)OrlandoDem2
(3,234 posts)They must be eliminated!!
elias7
(4,229 posts)The influencing on college campuses is a decade long plot to influence the minds of the young to be anti American, anti democratic, and covert them to Islam. Hamas is but one small piece, just as they are but one of the half dozen groups currently attacking Israel
Richard D
(10,018 posts)It's so bloody clear if you look even a little deeper. When did the antisemetic and Israel hate demonstrations start? October 8, Maybe Oct 7. IOW before Israel counter-attacked Gaza. It was all planned.
Gaza is a sacrificial piece. Obviously, Hamas (Iran) doesn't care about Gazans. Hell, they could have ended the war anytime in the last 10 months. Or not started it. There would be a hellofalot of Gazans and Israelis alive today that are not.
But, of course someone will probably say that I'm Islamaphobic. Very little could be further from the truth.
Calculating
(3,000 posts)This just about puts me in the "finish them" camp. Send Israel more bombs.
Richard D
(10,018 posts). . . that none of the hostages will be returned alive.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)AloeVera
(4,257 posts)God help the people of the Middle East and us all.
Mysterian
(6,482 posts)Hamas has chosen to wage an unending war against Israel. But it's always Israel called upon to end the violence.
Cha
(319,041 posts)RandySF
(84,228 posts)Hamas is responsible. End of story.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)eom
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)so please stop with the attempt to hijack this thread and start your own thread.
sarisataka
(22,685 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)sarisataka
(22,685 posts)Are the murders justified because they Israelis or because they are "Zionists"
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)eom
sarisataka
(22,685 posts)The murderous bastards who shot innocent people in the head because there was a chance they could be freed to return home.
You may disagree the murderers have any responsibility. You would not be alone in that viewpoint. IMO, they could have chose NOT to pull the trigger, but they didn't.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,059 posts)And here you are again attempting to hijack the thread.
You're being very transparent here.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)Are you upset with Israelis protesting his inaction?
TBF
(36,644 posts)on 10/11/23 and could release them at any point. Why are they assassinating them instead? Freedom fighters, my a**. Netanyahu is apparently the only world leader that is supposed to sit calmly and not defend his country. I'll be honest - I'm not conservative, and I'm certainly not his biggest fan. But he is also not the one who started this.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)eom
TBF
(36,644 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,787 posts)3 of the hostages killed were listed as part of a cease-fire deal agreed to by Hamas.
Netanyahoo didn't kill the hostages, but he failed to save them in the eyes of many Israelis.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/02/world/video/protesters-israel-ceasefire-hostages-diamond-pkg-digvid