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[Irish_Dem]

1. Anyone who crosses Trump and the GOP will get death threats.

It is an effective strategy to silence people and make them docile and compliant.

Women are already targets in our society and disinclined to invite more trouble than usual.

[speak easy]

6. THIS OP HAS outlived it's usefulness

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Closing it now. ty everyone.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Not everyone is willing to die for a cause.

Why should women be the ones getting killed?

Maybe big strong men should put their necks on the line first.

[speak easy]

20. die?

C'mon. Die because the most protected celebrity takes a stand on voting for abortion?

[gab13by13]

24. I respectfully ask you this question again

Have you ever gotten death threats? I have, and let me tell you it is extremely scary.

[Generic Other]

38. I have had them too

FBI involved. Scary to speak out and be targeted by cowards who particularly go for women.

Also, Swift had major problems in Europe. UK, the kids who were stabbed were at a "Taylor Swift" camp. There was some terrorist act at her concert in Vienna, I think. She did come out and threaten legal action when Trump posted a meme depicting her as urging supporters to vote for him.

I think she has been vocal. We ought to cut her some slack. Her followers registered in droves because she asked them to get involved. They will vote Democratic because our party is the only viable choice for young women.

Thanks Taylor for your courage to do what you have done.

[CrispyQ]

99. I haven't seen a story about Swift threatening legal action against Trump. Do you have a link? -nt

[wnylib]

207. So have I. Not only threats, but actual attempts.

In my case, it was to my advantage to openly talk about the threats and attempts as a deterrent to the perpetrator who hoped to escape consequences through intimidating me into silence. If no one knew about the threats and attempts, he hoped to avoid being a suspect.

But not all cases are the same. The perpetrator in my case was an individual who lacked the social standing, wealth, and political power that Trump, his oligarch backers, and fanatical MAGA followers have.

Swift has every reason to be prudent and I agree that her life is on the line if she publicly opposes the Trump machine.

If I were in her position, I would probably keep quiet in public but behind the scenes would anonymously donate to support causes that oppose Trump and support abortion rights

[Irish_Dem]

25. All the security in the world won't protect someone.

If the killer really wants to do the job.

TS is very high profile often out on an open stage.
She is an easy target. No one can protect her.

Like I said, maybe some of the big strong men can put their necks on the line.
And not make women do it.

[speak easy]

47. All the security in the world ...

(reductio adsurdum) you mean like the security around the President or at an airport?

[rubbersole]

80. Her fans are being targeted.

Little kids in the UK. Potential chemical attack in Vienna. She has asked her fans to vote. tsf has the most ignorant followers. Guns/violence is their only way to "get the respect they deserve". Plus, the humiliation that's coming their way in November, the massive support for a woman of color who isn't weird, the ongoing mocking of their god and perceived unjust legal 'persecution' will cause potentially catastrophic violence. TS is being prudent.

[niyad]

83. PLEASE JUST STOP!!!

[Hekate]

225. Maybe they should be pushing "big strong men" to do this....

Some people are both clueless & smug.

[LizBeth]

231. The smug... that is what is really telling

[Hekate]

237. No kidding. Half the population inherently gets it. What shall we call the other half? Some are educable...

Absolutely, and we call them allies.

[niyad]

233. Interesting that they are not doing so.

[Hekate]

235. Very

[sarisataka]

92. I seem to recall a very high profile person

who has what is considered the gold standard of security was nearly assassinated recently.

Who was that again? Tip of my tongue, happened less than two months ago.....

[atreides1]

114. Gold Standard?

Watched how those agents reacted...it was more like a copper standard!

[sarisataka]

130. Individual agents aside

what agency or group is considered better personal security than the Secret Service?

[BamaRefugee]

304. Rusty Tin Standard!

[onandup]

200. All kinds of celebrities are opposing Trump

And I can't remember one getting hurt for their views.

[onandup]

201. Saw a documentary - she actually asks her Mommy and Daddy if she should

You are a grown ass woman, Taylor. Act like it.

[LizBeth]

218. No her father was saying no and she was arguing she should, and she did. Geeaz.

And that was 2018 with Blackburn 6 yrs ago.

[questionseverything]

223. Her dad is her manager, I think

Her mom probably has a position in her organization too

After all she needs people she can trust and with the kind of money she makes that trust circle is pretty small

My point being her decision would impact their income too, not to mention their personal safety

She spent the last few months doing shows in Europe where she donated money to food banks over and over…. Representatives said her generous donations could feed their clients for a year so they could also work on problems like homelessness

[niyad]

82. I will echo gab13by13. Have YOU ever received death threats? I have, and I

got them PRECISELY for speaking out on women's rights, including abortion.

[VMA131Marine]

148. It's not your choice to make

Freedom of speech also means freedom not to speak

[Jack Valentino]

300. She is an artist. Taking political stands is not in her job description....

but have you asked her to do so? I presume NOT.


Not that the opinion of some anonymous internet poster would have much influence on her decision, but...


Maybe she's 'keeping her powder dry'. Ever consider that ??

[Autumn]

66. What do you suppose women who don't vote for Trump out of fear will get?

Women stay home out of fear will get pilloried should Harris lose. And the average woman certainly can't afford world class security.

But I suppose one excuse is the same as another.

[Walleye]

81. The vote itself is secret. Nobody has to know.

[Autumn]

101. Anyone can get enough of my voter information to figure out who I voted for if they chose to.

Several pieces of information in your voter record are considered a "public record." The Secretary of State is required by law to provide this information to any member of the public who requests it. This information includes, your full name, residential address, political party affiliation and date of affiliation, phone number (if provided by the voter), gender identity (if provided by the voter), birth year, and information about whether you have voted in prior elections.

[Orrex]

105. If I'm a lifelong registered Republican who's always voted Democrat, who would know?

Please be specific, because I'm interested.

[Autumn]

115. So every woman in America needs to register as a Republican to be safe?

Fuck that bullshit. If I had to register as a republican to vote I wouldn't vote.

[Orrex]

119. Well that's nice, but it has nothing to do with my question.

Since I absolutely didn't suggest that every woman in America needs to register as a Republican to be safe, I'm curious why you posted that in response to me.

[Autumn]

125. You are the one who brought up women registering as Republican to vote for a Democrat.

It's not my cup of tea? Is that better?

[Orrex]

133. But I certainly didn't. You're falsely attributing that to me.

I asked: if I were a lifelong registered Republican who always voted Democrat, how would someone know?

I'm asking about myself, in response to your assertion that one's voting record is easily discovered.

You've twice declined to answer while also attributing to me statements that I didn't make.

[Autumn]

141. YOU brought up your what if. I answered your what if. I gave you information

from my SOS of CO. What other answer are you looking for? If I had to register as a Republican but vote for the Democrat so no one would know i voted for them then I wouldn't bother to vote.

[Orrex]

152. You didn't answer my what if. Instead, you conjured up a different scenario and credited it on me.

I asked how my voting record might be determined, and you said that you aren't registering as a Republican.

That's three times you haven't answered a simple, direct question.


Curious.

[Autumn]

162. Oops my bad. "I would know". Thought I put that in.

Better?

[LizBeth]

124. Swift can put her fans LIVES at risk but by gosh, if you have to voe Repub, you won't vote. WOW

[Autumn]

129. I don't have to register as a fucking republican to vote and yes, if I had to I wouldn't vote.

But then I'm a strong independent Democratic woman and I don't play games.

[LizBeth]

147. But you are talking about weak republican women that want to vote Dem for first time, and you are

talkng about putting young womens lives at risk, but YOU would not vote if you had to have Repub to vote a Dem for your physical safety orlife. Ok.... Hmmmm

[LizBeth]

112. Ya... no. They walk to the machine, hit Harris and done. No one knows. No clue left

[Autumn]

120. Really? Maybe in your world. Here we vote by mail and anyone can ask for and get

much of our voter information.

Q2: Will the Secretary of State give out all of my personal information to anyone who requests it?

A2: No. Certain information you provide when registering to vote is considered confidential, and will NOT be released to a member of the public who requests it. This confidential information includes, your social security number, driver's license number, month and day of birth, signature, and email address.

Q3: What information in my voter record is considered a "public record"?

A3: Several pieces of information in your voter record are considered a "public record." The Secretary of State is required by law to provide this information to any member of the public who requests it. This information includes, your full name, residential address, political party affiliation and date of affiliation, phone number (if provided by the voter), gender identity (if provided by the voter), birth year, and information about whether you have voted in prior elections.

Q4: What can I do if I believe releasing this public information may put me or my family at risk?

A4: If you believe that you or a member of your household will be exposed to criminal harassment or bodily harm because your voter information is publicly available, you may elect to become a confidential voter. Confidential voters' voting information will NOT be released to the public. To become a confidential voter, you must go to your local county clerk and recorder's office, fill out a voter confidentiality form, and pay a $5.00 fee. Refer to this list of county clerk and recorder offices for the necessary contact information.

Survivors of domestic violence, sexual offenses, or stalking may also consider enrolling in the Colorado Address Confidentiality Program. Voters who are part of this program will NOT have any of their voter information released to the public.

[LizBeth]

123. Again.... not a single bit of that long article shows who the person voted.

[Autumn]

146. Ah ha. The lightbulb goes on.

Have a wonderful day.

[LizBeth]

153. So yu get now that a woman can vote Dem without putting her safety at risk, being found out.

Good... that took time but we worked on it together. Step by step. You too have a good day, we are fast approaching a weekend,yay

[Autumn]

156. No that's not what I get at all. Have a great day.

[LizBeth]

161. All that work and you still do not get that NO ONE will know who we vote for?

Sigh. Ok.

[betsuni]

245. I always keep some aspirin handy for such occasions.

[rubbersole]

258. Single malt Scotch works much more quickly. 🥃

[LizBeth]

260. Ya... and I just quit drinking, .. and smoking. AGAIN lol

[rubbersole]

265. Quitting smoking and drinking is so...so 2023.

[LizBeth]

280. Bah hahahahahahaha, that is funny. Literally had me laughing. Cute.

[Walleye]

142. I don't see how that reveals whom a person voted for

[Autumn]

155. I didn't say it did. But it gives enough to show that I am a Democrat.

Any Maggat can figure that out and it's all they need. I live in a red area, I have Harris signs on my property. I am my own protection. No teams of body guards and scanners.

[Walleye]

163. I'm thinking of let's say the wife of a rabid Maga, who doesn't want to vote for Trump. She doesn't have to tell anyone.

[Autumn]

169. Nobody has to tell anybody how they vote. This is an OP and thread about Swift.

A celebrity who has gotten thousands of her fans, young voters to register to vote for Democrats. She obviously supports Harris but is not currently endorsing Harris and Walz because of safety concerns? That horse left the barn when she got her fans to register and vote for Dems.

[edisdead]

167. your responses in this thread are really strange.

I don’t understand the points you are making.

There is enough voter information out there on you to figure out how you voted… but also you have Harris Walz yard signs?

I fail to see how anyone that doesn’t put their voter info out there would have their vote found out. I guess if you register as a dem then people would know how you are likely to vote. And if you out yard signs ib your yard people would likely know how you are going ti vote. And I suppose if someone wanted to look through all of your online info they could figure out how you might likely vote.

But for the woman who has lived a life that appears republican, who isn’t registered with a party or is registered repub I fail to see how people would know how she voted.


Strange replies here.

[Autumn]

172. To me the what if and the excuses are strange. What does republican women hiding how thay vote

from their husbands have to do with Taylor Swift being silent and not "taking a stand on voting for abortion rights" ? Every republican woman I know is a republican because they are against abortion. Has anyone ever stopped to consider perhaps she is pro life?
My original response was to the person who said.

"Anyone who crosses Trump and the GOP will get death threats.
It is an effective strategy to silence people and make them docile and compliant.
Women are already targets in our society and disinclined to invite more trouble than usual.

Don't like my replies ignore me. It's a right handy tool.

[getagrip_already]

159. Its NOT safety, its MONEY

They are putting an economic straglehold on her through a few methods.

First, they will make it nearly impossible for her to.have mega concerts. Its not so much the physical safety as the threat of violence. That will keep some fans away and cause venues to restrict bookings.

Second, they will trash her reputation, driving away conservative parents who will keep their daughters away. Her fan base is decidedly white
and suburban. If parents stop spending $1k a ticket, it will keep kids away.

So it is much more of a financial threat than a physical one.

They have successfully destroyed entertainers before, and that was before maga.

If she is afraid, its financially and ego based.

[LizBeth]

179. You are totally making shit up as if it is fact. Lol. Blackburn I believe 2018, daddy told her not to go public

and she said gotta go public, responsibility. At the concern was not death of young fans or attack on a concert, .... but loss of fans and reputation and $. So you would be wrong there. THIS time it is the safety of fans. And you cannot argue that because all factors point to a likelihood, not a could happen.

[getagrip_already]

196. We disagree, this is far different thsn 2020

She wasnt faced with personal attacks then, and that video you are referencing was not the presidential election, but a tn race.

Im not making anything up, but nice personal attack.

[LizBeth]

219. Point, she was not faced with putting young fans lives at risk. Your issue those

live seem to not be of consequence.

[getagrip_already]

221. Point - it was ISIS that was planning the concert attack

And their reasons and motivation have nothing to do with the us elections.

She is a target because she is a female, an icon, and flies in the face of their religious beliefs.

They will be a threat regardless of her position on the election.

Coming out in support of harris, or just calling for her fans to vote, will not increase the risk to her fans.

It will increase the risk to her business interests.

[LizBeth]

232. And you do not think the white incel gun totin male would be a threat? Seriously?

Kinda like LV concert done by one asshole? You think that scenario is fat stretched? Ramped up emotions from these creep if Harris looks like she will win or Swift helps to get votes? You do not think YOUNG KIDS will be at risk, or you just good with that?

[displacedvermoter]

2. Whomever plotted those European "terrorist"

attacks on her concerts did Trump a solid, eh? Who could have orchestrated that, I wonder?

[gab13by13]

3. I thought the exact same thing,

That bomb plot was the straw that broke the camel's back regarding Taylor Swift publicly endorsing Kamala.

The MSM was quick to blame ISIS when these bombers only committed to ISIS a month before the plot and ISIS denies any involvement.

The follow up on this plot has gone silent, at least I can't find anything.

[speak easy]

8. Then she went on to perform in front of the Royal Family at Wembley.

[gab13by13]

22. Which is fine with TSF.

[Meadowoak]

4. She's done her part, thanks to her, 35000 new voter got registered

That's a lot more than anyone else has done for us

[speak easy]

11. Abortion?

She could come out for voting for Abortion rights now, when it matters.

[Meadowoak]

15. She could, and she might yet, if she doesn't, we still owe

Her a debt of gratitude. 35000 voters is nothing to sneeze at, and they will be registered voters for the next 50 years.

[questionseverything]

227. Tuesday night swifties did a conference call to continue organizing

Another 14,000 young people were registered during the call

It’s been ongoing

[Hekate]

239. You having fun today? I surely do appreciate your concern.

[speak easy]

242. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good [people] to do nothing"

Taylor is not obliged to do or say anything. If she did, it would make a difference.

Taylor Swift regrets not speaking out against Trump in 2016
https://www.axios.com/2020/01/24/taylor-swift-politics-miss-americana-donald-trump

[Hekate]

248. Like GOTV efforts? Oh deary me.

[speak easy]

13. She is the person who could make a difference to the outcome

on Abortion.

[Hekate]

241. "The" person? The one, the only? Only she can fix it? Wow. You are truly concerned.

[speak easy]

243. Never underestimate the Swifties

One nudge from Taylor and 35,000 registered to vote in a day.

[Intractable]

5. I'm satisfied that she has encouraged her followers to register and get out and vote.

Most of that will go in our favor.

Swift is a musician. She wishes to be viewed that way, and not as a political figure (e.g., George Clooney).

For some, your favorite musician telling you to vote is more powerful than a politico telling you so.

[Tommy Carcetti]

7. Why should we expect her to speak out?

If she does, great.

If she doesn’t…she’s not a politician. No sweat off our backs.

[gab13by13]

19. TSF understands what a public endorsement of Kamala would mean to him.

Someone who has a movement behind him beats a politician every time, that's what history tells us. Taylor Swift would lead a movement of young voters to the polls. A Taylor Swift public endorsement would be the end of TSF.

[CincyDem]

46. Exactly why he lied about her endorsing him with that Taylor Wants You image last month.

[DeepWinter]

9. Money money money

As an entertainer you risk losing nearly half your fans going political. OK, she's made her money and never needs to work a day in her life again. Ego then with losing fans. And not a few, a lot. I have 4 nieces in their late teens, 20's, all Swifties, all for the most part right of center or very center. They're not interested in the slightest in politics though.

I don't go to any concert or sports event to have someone lecture me on social or political opinions. I went there to escape that. I appreciate them sticking to just the entertainment. I don't want to pay full ticket price and have it devolve into a MAGA event.

[gab13by13]

17. It has absolutely nothing to about money

TSF understands what a Taylor Swift endorsement would mean. She would lead a movement of young voters to the polls and a movement beats a politician every time.

As I already said, if you have never gotten death threats do not criticize Taylor Swift for not publicly endorsing Kamala.

[DeepWinter]

18. Nope

Trump likely doesn't even have Taylor on his radar. And Taylor is best staying non-political. She doesn't need that baggage.

[gab13by13]

28. Baggage? That made me laugh.

I guarantee you of this, TSF fears Taylor Swift.

[DeepWinter]

36. Removed

[thucythucy]

56. Not on his "radar"?

Well, she's clearly on someone's radar in that campaign, since they went to all the trouble of fabricating her endorsing Trump via AI. and posting it all over social media.

[getagrip_already]

165. It is entirely about MONEY

Maga has the power to destroy entertainers reputations. They just make the conversation so caustic, they become targets for boycotts and slander.

Parents will pull back. They wont buy those $1k tickets, or even let kids buy the music.

They will destroy her reputation and drag her image through the gutter.

Her empire is based on good will, not controversy.

She is a coward, but she is being a business woman first.

And i am very much a fan and have been since she first came on the scene over a decade ago.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

175. Just curious..

what entertainer was boycotted? And by MAGAts? Come on!

And speaking of slander, Taylor Swift is a coward?

She's a billionaire entertainer and entrepreneur. She will never lack money.

Her fans love her.

This pile on is strange.

[getagrip_already]

198. Ever hear of the dixie chics? And that was pre maga.

If you dont think the flying monkeys will attack, you havent been paying attention.

She is wealthy, almost a billionaire at last check, maybe just over now.

But it can all be choked off. Her fame and sparkle can be killed.

This isnt a principled stand, its a financial stand.

And she is free to prove me wrong. Silence is not a brave act.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

214. Yep.

The Chicks criticized Baby Bush's war. You can check out "Not Ready to Make Nice," if you're interested in the band's response to the crybabies. I remember the right's declaration of war on French fries around that time, as well.

France disagrees with Baby Bush's war, they will forever be known as "Freedom Fries!" Huzzah!

They dropped the "dixie" from their name because of its slave history, in 2020, long after the supposed boycott.

Also have not changed political beliefs over said boycott:

https://thechicks.com/causes

The Chicks were never a powerhouse phenomenon like Taylor Swift. No MAGAts will EVER make one bit of difference to her success, her "sparkle," or her fans.

She is not obligated to you, or anyone else.

[getagrip_already]

217. Didnt say she was.

Just that she is a financial coward.

She can prove me wrong any time.

Your opinion is your own, and you are welcome to it, but it means nothing to me.

[soandso]

274. She doesn't have to prove anything to you

I would love it if she spoke out for animal rights and not eating meat but until this thread, I never thought about it and I sure wouldn't call her a coward. She's just a hugely famous singer who has her interests and POV, whatever they are. Are you mad at her because she's the most famous? Anyone else a coward (Jennifer Aniston, Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, etc)?

[getagrip_already]

278. Lol, really reaching here are we?

She is not only famous, she not only has 100 million followers world wide, her fans are watching what she does and doesnt do.

If she doesnt care enough to speak out, why should her fans care?

That is the issue. She isnt just an influencer, she is a movement. And a lack of action is a clear signal.

Like i said, i am a long time fan. I love her songs. I love her story of standing up for lgbt issues. And for a 66 yo white guy, thats saying a lot.

But i dont give her carte blance. Her potential to move the needle is a responsibility, whether she wants it or not.

And hiding behind a fig leaf doesnt sbdolve her. Whether or not she says a damn thing is irrelevant to ISIS. Terror groups aligned with radical muslim ideology wont care. She will remain their target.

Her words are hollow for once in her life.

[soandso]

266. This sounds crazy to me

What entertainer has been destroyed for being a Democrat? Swift previously endorsed Joe, she's done massive GOTV and everyone knows she a liberal. What's been the result? The biggest concert tour turnout in history and she's a billionaire. Whatever her reasons for not taking a position on this may be, she's done more than anyone else in her position.

[Hekate]

285. Envious much?

[elocs]

12. Even with her "silence", Taylor Swift has done a million times more than any individual DU member

in supporting Democratic causes. But maybe she already has been open in her support but is using a fake username like we do here.
But it ain't over til it's over. There were so many whinging about why Liz Cheney has said anything about not supporting Trump and now she has flat out said that she will vote for Harris.

Work more towards getting out the vote and less about what Taylor Swift is or isn't doing.

[gab13by13]

14. speak easy, have you ever gotten death threats?

I have, when I was fighting to save our town's water supply from fracking and coal mining.

Unless you have gotten death threats do not criticize Taylor Swift for not endorsing Kamala. I only had a taste of the death threats. At every council meeting a goon squad showed up and sat right behind my chair. I spent many sleepless nights. What they did to the Dixie Chicks would look like child's play to what they would do to Taylor Swift. A public endorsement could end her career, it would certainly be life changing.

I do agree that a Taylor Swift endorsement would be the end of TSF's chances of winning because she would lead a "movement" of young voters to the polls.

[Demsrule86]

150. I have twice in my life...

The first time, I acted like a real bitch to a local telephone rep. The company had shortchanged me and was refusing to return my money. I shouldn't have done it...but I have a temper and at that time it was worse. She was fired thanks to me ( I am sorry and always was). She sent death threats to my address and turned my phone off in some sort of tech-savvy way...took a month to get service back. I always regretted my behavior...still do. And I have never acted like that since...never.

The second time was when I used some 'skills' to take down a website showing videos of beheadings. It was after the Trade Center, and I was pissed. I was careless and the group (bad folks I learned later) sent death threats. We were living in Georgia then. My son was 15 or so. The threats came by phone and mail...even email.

My husband forced me to call the FBI who came out that week. They were not happy with me and threatened to arrest me...what I did was illegal of course. I made it so whenever anyone tried to watch the gruesome videos...a giant middle figure appeared and the national anthem played and they then were kicked out of the website. There was a virus that after a certain number of times this script ran would crash the website for good I hoped. Now no good or bad intention goes unpunished... the FBI didn't believe me and thought my 15-year-old son was the culprit. Who would believe a nice carpooling suburban woman could do this stuff?

My poor son finally after being questioned unmercifully just as I was prepared to tell him to be quiet and call a lawyer was driven to say ' She really did do it. She is the devil! One of the agents laughed. After the FBI left with stern warnings of prison and never touching a computer again if I did this again...my son said 'Thanks Mom I hope I never need a security clearance.' It is funny now but at the time it was pretty scary. After a while, the harassment stopped and I mostly stayed legal after that. The website went down and never came back.

[Hekate]

247. Apparently not, from the way he keeps dodging. But he is concerned about Swift doing what he wants.

Very, very concerned.

[Emrys]

16. This is not a sensitive OP.

I reckon Swift would be more concerned about the welfare of her fans.

Maybe you don't recall, but it's already been a serious concern with some of her concerts:

Taylor Swift Vienna concerts cancelled, Chancellor says tragedy averted

BERLIN, Aug 7 (Reuters) - Taylor Swift's three concerts in Vienna this week were cancelled after the government confirmed a planned attack at the stadium, the organizer announced late on Wednesday, and Austria's Chancellor Karl Nehammer said "a tragedy was prevented".

"Thanks to the intensive cooperation of our police and the newly established DSN with foreign services, the threat was identified early on, combated and a tragedy prevented," Nehammer said in a post on social media platform X. DSN is Austria's Directorate for Security and Intelligence.

"With confirmation from government officials of a planned terrorist attack at Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three scheduled shows for everyone’s safety," Barracuda.music said in a post on Instagram, adding all tickets would be automatically refunded.

Austrian police on Wednesday detained two people suspected of plotting attacks on concerts, Franz Ruf, director general for public security, said at a news conference on Wednesday evening.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/taylor-swift-vienna-concerts-cancelled-due-planned-attack-organizer-says-2024-08-07/

It's maybe a starker memory for us in the UK:

Seven Years On: Remembering those affected by the Manchester Arena Attack

Today marks seven years since 22 innocent people were tragically killed, and many more injured, in a terror attack at an Ariana Grande concert on 22 May 2017 at Manchester Arena.

We remember them, and think about the many thousands of family members, friends and loved ones whose lives have been affected by the tragic events that happened that evening.

A minute's silence will be held at Manchester Victoria station during a memorial service which will be held at 12pm today. A second minute’s silence will take place at 10.31pm to mark the moment when the attack happened.

https://nationalemergenciestrust.org.uk/manchester-arena-attack-seventh-anniversary/

Those attacks weren't committed by MAGA types, but having already had an alleged near-assassination during this election campaign and with the prevalence of gun violence in the US, I'm sure it's a legitimate concern.

[speak easy]

27. I am not sensitive about women dying for want of abortion care.

Thems the stakes. If Taylor has to cancel a concert because of a terrorist threat, so be it. To take a very insensitive positive, that would GOTV.

AS I said in the OP, Era concerts feature Airport Grade security.

[Emrys]

37. Yet you shrug off threats to her fans - many of them young women - that might follow such an announcement

That is definitely insensitive.

It's easy for you to say "Thems the stakes " from the safety of wherever you are and behind the comfort of online anonymity.

We've seen how good US "Airport Grade" security has been only too clearly in recent times. The Viennese authorities felt it wasn't a sane risk, and I'm sure the same security arrangements apply at all Swift's concerts, it's the political milieu that varies along with concomitant risks, and we know some MAGA types are murderous.

It may be a risk you're willing to take. That's purely hypothetical, and only too easy to type.

So far, it's not been one Swift's been willing to take in this election cycle. And the risk isn't related to her own personal safety alone, but to those who admire her and she feels responsibility for. She may still make a stand. If so, I'm sure it'll be after a lot of soul-searching.

[griffi94]

43. Yer being quite cavalier with someone else's career and life's work.

Taylor Swift doesn't seem to want to directly enter the political fray. She encouraged the Swifties to
register and vote.

[LizBeth]

110. Blows my mind your non chalance at the reality of others experience when it serves you.

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And there safety. Children at that. You got it about the concert in LV? One man with a gun. You know how easy it would be to set something like that up finishing off her tour here in US. They are already so angry at her because she does support the left and they know it. She is more subtle with it now, but everyone hears it. She is beaten up on the right all day long day after day and now she is not doing enough for you so here you are bashing her.

She gives more to people than most all, with money, she is good to people, takes a stand, excellent example, .... but you want more. And I can see her coming out closer to the election to get people to the polls. The election is not over, but here is the bashing

Meh ... what is the death of a young fans life or 10 or 50 from a crazy.

[betsuni]

250. +1

[MotownPgh]

121. She has to live somewhere. What

about when she's not on tour? At a restaurant? A nail salon? A friend's house? The beach? Let her live!!

[LizBeth]

126. She already has psycho men stalking. Had one arrested recently, broke into one of her places

[MotownPgh]

131. Yes I know. This strange view that she

owes anything to anyone is wild.

[LizBeth]

149. Yep, and to be so uncaring witht he safety of the young fans.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

180. I agree.

And presented in such a way that the responsibility of American women's healthcare rests with Taylor Swift alone.

[Hekate]

275. So there are approved ways for women&girls to die violently? Like at joyful musical events?

As long as a prominent musician behaves in a way that you insist is correct?

Do you have any idea how much money Ms Swift has given to liberal & righteous causes? I don’t know — but I expect you to know because you are so, so interested in what she does and doesn’t do.

How many people have you registered to vote? Her prowess in that regard is legendary.

Deary, deary me.

[LizBeth]

282. That is exactly as I interpreted. These young fan's lives for saving those needing an abortion.WTF? lol

[Hekate]

284. TY for understanding what I said. The OP is unhealthily obsessed...

…or possibly has another motive.

[LizBeth]

288. 49'er fan. I find the hate is either RW, religious zealots that think she is a Satan worshipper or mad KC Chiefs

won another super bowl lol.

[niyad]

294. The irate football fan thing is something that never would have

occurred to me. Gives one food for thought.

[LizBeth]

301. Lol lol. Right? I was minding my own business a year ago then BOOOOOMMMMM!!!! FB exploded

with angry white men at little ole Taylor Swift, and my interest bloomed. It has been an interesting ride but ya. A two in a row SB win has a lot in the nation mad, sad, and being bad at winners. Gotta knock them off the pedestal, always.

[niyad]

85. Thank you!

[rainin]

21. For those saying she's already done enough or that she has no obligation to speak out

will you feel the same if trump wins? I'm in the "with great power comes great responsibility" camp. She has benefitted greatly from a democratic society that respects women and allows women to determine their own destiny. These freedoms are at risk. Everyone needs to speak out. If the daughter of Dick Cheney can endorse a democrat after already sacrificing her career because of her courage, Taylor Swift can speak out, too. She simply must. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I will see her differently if she remains silent. I'm certain others will, too.

This is not a time for cowardice.

[Emrys]

23. And if her speaking out as you demand leads to an attack that kills or injures a number of her fans?

I don't think she'd want to live with the guilt of that. Ariana Grande went through personal hell after the deadly attack on her Manchester concert.

Spare me the armchair bravery, please.

[rainin]

74. armchair bravery? i'm not a billionaire, so whether or not i'm brave isn't the question is it?

What part of "with great power comes great responsibility" don't you understand? Nancy Pelosi suffered greatly, too, and she's still fighting. Several members of my family served in the military including my son who is active duty today. We stand up and give what we can, each to our own ability.

There was a time she expressed that courage. She needs to stand up now. For the country, for the world, for democracy. Using your logic, why does anyone stand up to trump?

[Emrys]

262. Yes, it IS the question. What are YOU doing?

Are YOU a visible and publicly vocal Democrat in your circle of acquaintances and community?

Are YOU putting everything you've got and the safety of those you love on the line every day?

If you are, good for you. Those were YOUR decisions. It's not for anyone else to pompously insist that YOU do what they demand.

If not, you are absolutely enjoying the luxury of armchair bravery. Listen to yourself.

[soandso]

276. The woman sells music and her performances

Her responsibility is to the people paying absurd prices to see her those who buy her music. It's just weird to think that she owes the public anything beyond what she's selling. Anything she chooses to do outside of her professional obligations are her call. She's already made it known she's a Democrat and got thousands of young people to register to vote. Why trash her?

[JI7]

30. If Trump wins it's not becsuse of Taylor Swift

[onenote]

40. +1

[rainin]

75. Now, that's a completely made up comment based on absolutely nothing. Prove that.

[niyad]

89. And kindly prove your assertion as well.

[rainin]

139. You made a claim of fact. Prove it.

I stated opinions. I shouldn't have to teach anyone that claims of fact can be proven to be true (or false), but opinions are...well, just opinions. I stated my opinions.

[niyad]

182. Please pay attention. I made no claims of any kind, but you did. Simple.

[rainin]

188. Which "facts" are you needing proof for? You should prove that her endorsement won't tip the scales. You said that!

Question: For those saying she's already done enough or that she has no obligation to speak out, will you feel the same if trump wins?

Fact: I'm in the "with great power comes great responsibility" camp.

Fact: She has benefitted greatly from a democratic society that respects women and allows women to determine their own destiny.

Opinion: These freedoms are at risk.

Opinion: Everyone needs to speak out.

Opinion: If the daughter of Dick Cheney can endorse a democrat after already sacrificing her career because of her courage, Taylor Swift can speak out, too.

Opinion: She simply must.

Opinion: I don't think I'm alone when I say that I will see her differently if she remains silent. I'm certain others will, too.

Opinion: This is not a time for cowardice.

[niyad]

190. *** I *** said nothing of the kind, so please go back and read with far more

care and attention, and quit attacking me for somethung I did not say.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

193. I'm beginning to wonder

if it's laundry day.

[niyad]

203. Something like that.

[betsuni]

254. Variation of "Why didn't Democrats stop (bad thing)?": "Why didn't Taylor Swift stop Trump?"

People really shouldn't wait around for leaders to tell them what to do and miraculously fix things.

[gab13by13]

32. Have you ever gotten death threats,

If you have not then you are not a good judge of what Taylor Swift should do.

[rainin]

79. I'm guessing VP Harris has gotten death threats, too. Thankfully, she's not running away from the fight

She has protection. But, as a parent of a brave son in the US military, there are things worth dying for.

And before you ask what I'm personally doing, save your breath. Not everyone here has the same power and influence that Taylor Swift has. If I were her, then go ahead and ask me why I'm not rising to the moment and doing my part to save democracy.

[questionseverything]

208. With this thread you seem to be trying to run off swift voters

It seems you are trying to depress turnout, please stop

[soandso]

279. You have used the examples of

Harris, Cheney and Pelosi all of whom make their money from holding office and the associated benefits of that. It's their job to take positions on everything. Taylor Swift is a not a politician.

[ecstatic]

65. I hear you. Maybe she's waiting for the time when it will have most impact.

You know Americans have the attention span of a flea. If she does it now, her target audience will forget by next month.

Right now get everyone registered, but wait until mid-October to endorse.

[LizBeth]

122. That is what I am thinking. I dont see why she would come out now anyway.

She is pushing to register to vote, which is now. I can see closer to the election, making her young fans less of a target.

[rainin]

171. She does meticulously plan. That would be perfect!

[sarisataka]

94. Folks are often very brave

with other's safety

[rainin]

173. The country needs all hands on deck. Obviously, there are millions of Americans whose sphere of influence is limited

to friends and family. We aren't equal. Some people have immense power while others have none at all.

Powerful people all across the country will be judged for their silence if trump wins. And I think they should be. It's disgusting that Liz Cheney is speaking out, but Dick Cheney isn't. Hundreds of Bush staffers are speaking out, but Bush isn't.

If your country needs you, you step up and give your all. You only need to think about bone spurs to realize that I'm right. People will remember and many will not see her the same.

[sarisataka]

176. What makes Ms Swift so special

that only she will be remembered and many will not see her the same?

Why are no other celebrities being called out?

[rainin]

181. It's the subject of the thread. Make your own thread for other celebrities. But, Taylor's influence is legendary, so

it makes sense for her to get her own thread.

Since you asked, if trump wins, anyone who stayed silent will have that next to their name. I've seen many influential names mentioned here: George Bush, for one. Even Obama was being called out when he didn't endorse Biden. He has now made his endorsement and is all in. Everyone with power is needed.

[sarisataka]

185. I am responding to this thread

which starts with "no celebrity is under an obligation" but if Taylor Swift doesn't put her career and personal safety on the line she is a money-grubbing coward...

[MorbidButterflyTat]

183. Yes, this pile on Taylor Swift is really strange.

Making aggressive demands and accusations of cowardice and not loving her country, because she hasn't done what's demanded of her by randos online? Must be a slow day.

[LizBeth]

118. And if a crazy kills one young fan, 10, 50 will you just shrug and say, thems the breaks?

[rainin]

174. VP Harris and Walz are holding rallies with thousands. Do you think they believe they're 100% safe?

Obviously, they understand the possible risk, but they're standing up for democracy. Taylor Swift will be remembered for her silence if trump wins.

[LizBeth]

184. She has not been silent. She has not done what you demand, at this point.

those who hate her will continue to hate her. You want to pin this on her, well that is yours to do. Reason doesnt matter.

But truly appalling your disregard for he threat to our children. Almost sounds like gun/school shooting argument. Meh... causality of belief.

[rainin]

229. Why do you assume I hate her? I love her!

I was first in line when the eras tour came to our theater. If I could physically stand for longer I'd have tried to go in person. Nothing I said even came close to saying I hate her. Nope. You made that up.

[questionseverything]

240. You sure seem uninformed for "loving her"

She hasn’t stopped the “ swifties for Kamala “ and she could easily if she wanted to

In 2020 she endorsed in October with a plate of Biden/ harris cookies

So it’s not even time yet

[rainin]

251. You seem like you're a little cult-y. I can love someone as a person and an artist and still say

that if trump loses, i will remember that she didn't do all she could for democracy. If someone can do no wrong, you're not really a free thinker anymore.

It's ridiculous to say I'm "uninformed". Uninformed about what? Did I miss her endorsement? Did I miss her coming out for Kamala? Nope. Saying I'm uninformed just makes you look like you want to argue.

[questionseverything]

255. I'm saying you're uninformed because it's not October yet

Which is when she endorsed last presidential election

If you knew that history why would you be freaking out this early?

You are ignoring that swifties are at work all over the country for harris…. Taylor could easily come out against that but she hasn’t.

[rainin]

263. I'm uninformed about the future? The part of the timeline that hasn't actually happened yet?

And I'm freaking out? And I'm "ignoring" what swifties are doing for the country?

Are you listening to yourself?

I made a comment that "if she elects to remain quiet, I will not think of her the same". Good grief.

Definitely cult-y behavior. Please go yell at someone who is actually saying the stuff you're accusing me of

[Hekate]

268. Cult-y? Wow. You seem like you -- should stop attacking people.

[Hekate]

269. Cult-y? Wow. You seem like you -- should stop attacking people.

[SamuelTheThird]

307. People get irrational when Swift is criticized

It really is something.

She's not really someone to admire, anyway. I mean... read this

https://www.distractify.com/p/did-taylor-swift-date-a-17-year-old

[JI7]

26. She has done more than most. Maybe call out the shitty men that support Trump

Most Swift fans are too young to vote or already likely to support Harris.

She had voter registration at her shows.

This post is just disgusting .

[wishstar]

29. She endorsed Biden and Harris at time of VP debate in October 2020

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taylor-swift-endorses-joe-biden-president-n1242483

That was during Covid. But this year she has several concerts in October and November in Miami, New Orleans and Indianapolis, all Maga states so after the overseas threat, concern over concert safety could be a factor as to whether or not she makes a political statement this time around. But she has been crystal clear in her endorsement of the Democrats before.

[samnsara]

31. times are different..scarier and more dangerous... i think she will get out the VOTE

..message and maybe the Kamala message will be more nuanced but easily interpreted by her fans. She will 'talk above' the heads of maggats.

[Tetrachloride]

33. Timing

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. okay and?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

116. It's easier to complain that someone else isn't doing something

Than to actually do it yourself.

[LuckyCharms]

35. She needs to protect herself, and her fans.

The Swifties know where she stands.

She's under no obligation to officially endorse.

Again, and perhaps most importantly, she needs to protect her fans. Yes, she has protection, but her fans really don't if some angry genius is smart enough to thwart security at her concerts.

It's the same reason (on a hugely smaller scale) why I put no bumper stickers on my car. Because it's my shit that's going to get wrecked, and I don't want my wife to be harassed when she drives my car alone.

Edit to add: She may end up endorsing anyway, but that's entirely up to her. I'm sure she will weigh the pros and cons.

[MaryMagdaline]

39. Taylor Swift endorsed Biden in 2020. In October.

Maybe she will endorse Harris in October or when early voting starts. If she DOES decide to endorse, it will be done with maximum influence in mind. Timing is everything and she is a master of timing and influence.

[LeftInTX]

127. She didn't have concerts in 2020 because of Covid.

She could be concerned about safety because she has concerts in October/Nov etc.

Who knows?

It's her decision.

[SocialDemocrat61]

41. She could be waiting for October

Closer to the election will have more impact

[gab13by13]

42. I gave my opinion on Taylor Swift

If she were to publicly endorse Kamala it would be the end of TSF's chances of winning. Taylor Swift would lead a movement of young voters to the polls and TSF understands this that is why he will do whatever it takes to "discourage" that from happening.

If Taylor Swift does not publicly endorse Kamala I am absolutely OK with that decision because I can understand what TSF will do to her. Too many people underestimate the evil of Donald Trump.

[musclecar6]

50. I think

John Kelly said it best. A very very evil person.

I think her fans know what a good person she is and they know who she supported last time, which was Joe Biden. So does she need to come out and make it clear for those who don’t know? Yeah that would be good but if she’s hesitant, well then that’s all right, as it’s certainly her right and choice.

Maybe her family and or Travis Kelce have been pushing her not to say anything this time around. That said, my impression of her is she’s maybe going to come out with a blast for Kamala that will galvanize her fan base, like as we all know, most people won’t believe. Taylor Swift has more appeal to virtually all age groups that is off the charts.

Bottom line is she’s America sweetheart and nobody wants anything bad to happen to her. Of course I’m speaking for the decent people in the USA, not that other crowd.

[LizBeth]

134. I think she might to because she has been told forever to not get involved

and she speaks up about her responsibility. And as much as she feels that with social justice, and charity, and being kind, she also feels that responsibility for the safety of young fans. But I figure closer we get, less time for outrage. Break from concerts and then election done.So that would be the time.

[bigtree]

44. there have been serious threats and at least one violent plot uncovered targeting her audiences

...at her concerts.

At least one was cancelled because of a serious threat.

You may not have considered the collateral threat of an endorsement on the folks who go to see her perform.

Planned Terrorist Attack at Taylor Swift Concert Was Intended to Kill “Tens of Thousands of People,” CIA Official Says

At the annual Intelligence Summit just outside Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, David S. Cohen shared an update on the investigation into the planned terrorist plot earlier this month, which resulted in the pop star canceling all her shows in Austria’s capital.

https://news.yahoo.com/news/planned-terrorist-attack-taylor-swift-003909962.html

...this has to be one of the most chilling responsibility out there for a civilian. She can't guarantee anyone's safety at her venues, but she can act in ways that don't place her fans at more of a risk right now.

[JI7]

45. I find this post to be ignorant and hateful

[LizBeth]

135. I do too. The right hates her and daily are nasty because she supports blue. and now our left is making demands

at the safety of young fans and shrugging shoulders at threats.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

191. Agree.

The aggressive demanding tone is disgusting.

[delisen]

48. Being who she up to now is itself a powerful statement

There are Trumpers who would like nothing better than to make her and thus her fans a target

I

[DoBW]

49. Grateful for all the artists who have helped shine the light

Many of them since 2016, too, (not limited to musicians or typical celebrities ) Bruce Springsteen, The Obamas (obviously) ,Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Seth Myers have been in the trenches for a while. Currently I would argue there's no sitting the fence -- that not taking an active anti-Trump stand is inherently pro-Trump

meanwhile ... creating art against Trump
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/artists-for-democracy-2024-pfaw-2462641

[mercuryblues]

51. Why is it always up to the woman to do the heavy lifting?

Maybe it's time George Clooney comes out and speaks out for rights for women in this country or Ben Affleck Matt Damon why don't they hold rallies And protest marches.

[speak easy]

52. This woman, and her army of Swiftes can make a difference.

If there was a male celebrity who had that sort of following, I would be saying the same.

[JI7]

59. Joe Rogan has a large following

[mercuryblues]

62. Again

Why do the women have to do all the heavy lifting?
Why do they have to put up with the death threats?
You do realize that she gets a ton of death threats and she wants to protect her fans. they don't have the security she does.

Maybe men should tell other men to stay the fuck out of women's business. Some stranger down the street does not have rights over the girl cashing them out at the grocery store. This is ridiculous. insisting that she has to do something.
Maybe start demanding that some of these famous men do something is that too much to ask?

[LizBeth]

137. I agree. Absolutely.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

195. Me too.

[Raven123]

53. I make no assumptions about Swift.

I do not read about excuses and would not accept what I read as fact.

Opinions about her impact on the electin are presumptuous.

Her decision is none of my da*n business.

[IA8IT]

54. Facebook Fools spreading she's a witch last night. Putin/sick f*ck approved BS

[niyad]

296. If she follows the Craft of the Wise, I am even more impressed with her.

Do we know whether she is a member of a coven, or a solitary practitioner?

[arlyellowdog]

55. Did you read about the terrorist threats???

It’s not about protecting herself. They literally wanted the largest casualty count in history. Thousands of young girls dead. I’d be disgusted if she risked their lives.

[arlyellowdog]

57. I do wonder if people realize how dangerous it all is

Crazy people out there. There are a lot of government workers preventing carnage. Trump’s SS got complacent. The administrators of that school didn’t take a threat seriously. Taylor Swift’s fans know where she stands, but Chief’s games and her concerts are such targets.

[Gore1FL]

58. Swifties know how to vote. nt

[Deuxcents]

69. I'm gonna agree. She seems to have messages in her lyrics that Swifties understand.

Swifties have parents, family, friends and their influence on others is a great way to “network”

[demmiblue]

103. Yep. n/t

[Sympthsical]

136. My partner's best friend is a Republican Swiftie

But he's kind of an odd and interesting fellow. A gay, Filipino, Navy guy. Who loves Taylor Swift. He's like 80% of the reason I know all her songs (I'm not a great fan of hers generally on a personal level, and her music is pretty mediocre).

I see him three to four times a week - he's pretty integrated into partner's family - and sometimes I just kind of . . . watch him. Like a nature documentary, lol.

Super nice guy, but it's inneresting.

[Jersey Devil]

60. Endorsing could put a big target on the backs of her fans

First of all, she has no obligation to endorse political candidates. She may simply be trying to protect herself and her fans from nutball attacks during her concerts. She has already had to cancel some due to terror threats.

This is no different than anyone who backs Harris refusing to put up a lawn sign for fear of violence or vandalism. Would you call out everyone who refuses to publicly announce their preference to avoid such things?

[hlthe2b]

61. Honestly? I think she is considering impacts that might spread to Travis Kelsey and the Chiefs franchise...

as silly as that seems, KC Chiefs have been trying to reestablish neutrality after the big brouhaha about Harris Butker and his very archaic extremist "Catholic" views against women and their "appropriate roles" in society. Swift has been both good for publicity and a target of fans--who want the focus to stay on the game-- for the Chiefs and any political endorsement will cause them some headaches.

I'm not backing that possible reason behind Swift's purported decision not to endorse--or to endorse late-- only trying to analyze why.

[niyad]

297. Somebody upthread posted that the impetus for this bizarre thread may,

possibly, be a football fan whose favoured team is NOT! whichever team Ms. Swift's paramour plays for. I guess it makes about as much sense as anything else?

[ecstatic]

64. But I think we know where she stands

Didn't she endorse Biden in 2020? I have no idea. If she didn't like tRump then, it would be insane to like him now, especially with jd vance added to the mix.

[twodogsbarking]

67. She has been working and very hard.

[bluestarone]

68. How about we just let HER do what she wantas?

[chouchou]

70. I have and would speak my mind. Let the proverbial chips fall. BUT...as someone..

...who knows a little of the recording industry, the people at the top might have said "Leave your thoughts on the stage or else"

[dchill]

108. Taylor Swift IS her own record company.

[megapuzzler]

145. Oh, I think she's properly schooled anyone in the recording industry by now

and will do what she wants. She's as canny in her business dealings as she is with her music. She's schooled the DJ who sexually assaulted her, the greedy idiots who bought her music out from under her, Spotify, and even the movie industry when she did the runaround them with her ERAS tour movie.

She came out against Marsha Blackburn years ago (sadly to no avail) and endorsed Biden in 2020. I'm sure right now she is weighing the danger to her fans more than any other consideration before she does anything.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

199. I doubt that.

[PCIntern]

71. Her fans know where she stands AND...

It doesn’t have to be she who is threatened: they may threaten her family, extended family, or friends. Who knows?

[Funtatlaguy]

72. Hopefully she pushes for voter registration

[Self Esteem]

73. I'm not sure why anyone thought she'd campaign for Harris.

It was always a wild assumption. She's used her voice marginally and very selectively. Even in 2020, the extent of her endorsement of Biden was an Instagram photo of her baking Biden-Harris cookies. That's it.

She released a statement about Roe in 2022 but said nothing about the midterms.

So, I'm just baffled that people would expect a mass-showing of support for Biden and then Harris. It's wholly out of her character to make a big spectacle of who she supports.

At best, you're likely to see a similar moment to 2020, a quick acknowledgement of the upcoming election and that she supports Harris. But that's it. Hell, maybe she'll bake Harris-Walz cookies.

But anyone who thought she'd hold a rally concert or something was wishcasting. Literally no history of her ever doing that.

[flying_wahini]

76. Really? She has made it abundantly clear about how she is voting and encouraging others to sign up and vote.

She speaks about the freedom of choice at every concert she does. And you are blaming her? Wow.

[niyad]

77. Please read your first sentence again. And the one that SAYS she is under NO

obligation to speak out. Especially after the threat that forced the cancellation of three of her concerts.

[Auggie]

86. Exactly. Just like I am under no obligation to put a Harris sign in my front yard.

There are reasons behind our actions. For me, I don't want a MAGAT to vandalize my home. I donated $500 to the cause, which will do a lot more good than a yard sign.

[niyad]

96. EXACTLY!!!

[captain queeg]

78. I think she'll come out for Kamala when it's closer to the election.

She’s really smart and think she knows how to have the greatest impact.

[sarisataka]

84. No celebrity is under an obligation to take a stand on voting for abortion rights

... but let's chastise a female celebrity for not taking a stand.

The statements seem to be at odds with each other..

[SamuelTheThird]

306. She's a billionaire who pumps CO2 into the atmosphere to make unnecessary trips

Not sure where all the admiration is flowing from...and maybe she DOES have an obligation like everyone else when democracy is gravely threatened to speak up? More so because she has a platform?

[Silent Type]

87. Not gonna criticize her at this point. Bet she'll endorse VP Harris, eventually. If not, she'll still vote Blue.

[bluedigger]

88. How many of us are willing to give up half our future income in perpetuity for the cause?

Alienating half of your potential customers is bad business. Ask Michaël Jordan and Mike Lindell. Swift is doing plenty for the cause, and I'm sure she will continue to do so regardless of the outcome this year, without stumping for Kamala. I'm not judging her.

[Dear_Prudence]

90. Taylor isn't silent. You aren't listening.

To urge people to vote without explicitly telling them how to vote is to fully embrace democracy. Don't tell me, a woman, to step in line behind my husband or behind Swift; I think for myself. Taylor does share her values, and Swifties hear those loud and clear. Taylor Swift conveys the message that girls matter. She embraces her own ambition and her own success, on her own terms. She serves as a role model for girls and women who are constantly criticisized, mocked, shamed and belittled with her song "Shake it off." Her song "You need to calm down" says, "Control your urges to scream about all the people you hate, Cause shade never made anybody less gay." The video features gay celebrities in a loving way. And every Swiftie knows of her love of cats; Vance is catless and clueless. So maybe Swift will make her politics explicit, or maybe she will trust her fans to listen 'all too well' and act accordingly. And, for cat ladies everywhere (and animal lovers of all stripes), here is Cat Lady Swift:

https://youtube.com/shorts/IuDNsGVLohg?si=SaNOKXWIvWwvd4s1

[LizBeth]

140. Wonderfully said. I am tired of all the time bashing from the right now the left is bashing.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

202. That was awesome!

Thanks for posting that link. Did you hear the audience reaction? Wow.

Yes, her values are loud and clear.

[betsuni]

264. THANK YOU!

[BlueKota]

91. Maybe it's not just herself she's afraid for

There are also her fans, her band, her concert goers, workers at the stadiums, and , her family etc.

Also look President's have secret service details, but it didn't stop the Kennedy assassination, or the Reagan Assassination attempt, or tsf attempt. Also the pope had security but someone tried to assinate John Paul in the 1980s. Like Irish Dem says all the security in the world can't always stop the worst from happening.

Plus I think she also knows her fans know her well enough to know who she would want them to vote for and it ain't the orange chump.

[niyad]

102. My father told me, after one assassination attempt ( nearly 60 years ago,

forget which one) that there is NO protection against a person willing to die in their attempt.

[BlueKota]

128. You're father was right.

A history professor also used to say he believed it won't be any Western power or China who will cause a world ending nuclear war. Their motivation is always for more wealth and power. He said it would most likely be a government controlled by extreme religious zealots who only care about what ever deity they have professed their allegiance to. They look at death as honorable sacrafice.

[yobrault1]

93. Taylor was touring outside the US

in her most recent shows. If she had said anything, anything at all while she was in Europe, she would have drawn so much critism, (think Dixie Chicks in London) so in my very humble opinion, she would never talk about the US elections while abroad. She starts up again in Miami in October. I believe the most she will do is ask her fans to vote! I would be very surprised if she directly endorsed Kamala and I think it's none of anyone's business who she votes for just like it none of anyone's business who you or I vote for. We don't get to demand she make an endorsement.

That being said, the point about "good people doing nothing" is a point well taken. I know if I were in a position to affect people to the the magnitude that Ms. Swift can, it would be gnawing at me not to use my influence to sway the outcome towards democracy, human rights, women's rights and away from autocracy and the end of democracy. I also know that in the current political climate, I would be weighing this against the fact that my life and the lives of those I love would be put in grave danger. It would not just be my decision, it would be the decision of all those I love and are close to. We would all have to make that decision together, otherwise, I would be placing them, us in the cross-hairs of some wingnut that wants to make a point.

Taylor has to also weight that she is on tour through and after the election. If the worst happens and Kamala loses, she will have the gnawing feeling that she, they could have made a difference and chose to stand on the sidelines. I really don't envy her choices at all.

Just my two cents...

[Basso8vb]

95. You should delete this OP.

It's insensitive at best and doesn't help at all.

[milestogo]

97. Leave her alone.

[demmiblue]

104. Cosigned. n/t

[ScratchCat]

98. This feels like "Tiger Woods 2.0"

He's got to be the only other celebrity that people have acted this away about not getting political.

[LizBeth]

100. What a snotty comment... oh please, ... to concern for fans. Literally had at least three men

threaten the crowd with bombs. A desire to kill many. You can snark at that concern as you state that "No celebrity is under an obligation to take a stand on voting" but wow, your comments seems to suggest you feel exactly the opposite.

[Eliot Rosewater]

106. And it's time for W and Dick Cheney to speak up!

[LeftInTX]

132. We need that Dick endorsement!

[NoMoreRepugs]

107. Her actions and comments are up to her - it's impossible to judge her actions unless u can comprehend

her particular circumstances.

[Doodley]

109. Taylor Swift already has a big bulleye on her back, thanks to the fascist right in American politics.

She is already constantly vllified by the right because her previously stated positions. There was the plot to kill tens of thousands at her Vienna concerts. Then there was the murder and maiming of children at the Taylor Swift-inspired dance lessons in England. These things must have shaken her badly. It took guts to carry on with her tour after that.

She's done more than any other celebrity to help Democrats. Even without her direct involvement, Swifties for Kamala is making inroads.
Her fans know where she stands. They will turn out in droves. She deserves our respect.

[questionseverything]

211. She hasn't told "swifties for harris" to stop

That shows support

[DaBronx]

111. I think she will weigh in soon

Just my opinion, not based on anything. I think she understands what is at stake. She just finished a tour, maybe she is taking a break before jumping into the fray. Plus I would think she would make the announcement at the perfect time for impact, which is imminent!

[pepperbear]

113. I really don't think she needs to. She has endorsed her tacitly. I'd offer that the Swifties are doing it on their own

After all, Lady GaGa doesn't have a Monsters for Harris.

[TheProle]

117. Too Busy Hobnobbing with MAGA Mahomes

Trump thanks Brittany Mahomes for ‘defending’ him. Taylor Swift fans are sure to take notice.

Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday thanked Brittany Mahomes, best known as the wife of Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, for “defending him” after her apparent online support for him set social media abuzz last month.

SNIP

The statement is sure to raise eyebrows among Taylor Swift fans given the pop icon’s close relationship with the Mahomeses since dating Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce. The Mahomeses were seen at Swift’s Rhode Island mansion last month along with Swift, Kelce and Hollywood power couple Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively.

Brittany Mahomes created a stir online last month when her Instagram account liked (and later unliked) a Trump post outlining his 2024 platform. Seemingly in response to backlash to her Instagram activity, Mahomes condemned haters: “There’s no reason your brain is fully developed and you hate to see others doing well.” She seemed to double down by liking a pro-Trump comment on one of her posts.

Mahomes’ apparent support for Trump is in stark contrast to Swift’s past political leanings. The “Fortnight” singer endorsed the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris ticket in 2020. Democrats and some members of Swift’s massive fan base have been hoping she will publicly support Harris for president this year. (There was speculation that Swift or Beyoncé would appear at the Democratic National Convention last month, but those rumors were false.)

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-brittany-mahomes-taylor-swift-fans-rcna169564

[LizBeth]

143. Wow, now she is being bashed for other peoples political positions.

[TheProle]

157. Not bashing her as much as, as Carlin said: "It's a big club and you ain't in it."

[LizBeth]

160. Wtf? Not about any of us being in the club. You posted because Swift... gasp, knows a Republican.

[AKwannabe]

144. This stinks too!

[Sympthsical]

151. What even is this article . . .

"OMG you guys, so like Taylor's boyfriend's friend's wife has thoughts, so like, should Taylor even hang out with them? How does she even know him?! Like seriously, you guys."

So . . . what grade is everyone starting this fall?

[LizBeth]

158. Like... she needs to break up with Travis right fuckin NOW!!!!

[Sympthsical]

177. I'm taking the stickers off my trapper keeper as we speak!

Yeah, I dunno what decade I'm living in any more.

I stand by it.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

210. Hilarious responses!

[soandso]

283. The celebrity obsession is beyond creepy

[MorbidButterflyTat]

209. WTH?

"Hobnobbing?"

Taylor Swift is dating Travis Kelce, who is pro-vaccine.

Patrick Mahomes is on the KC Chiefs with Travis Kelce, and they socialized together.

Brittany Mahomes supposedly "liked," then "unliked," a stupid MAGAt comment online, prompting Felon 45 or more likely some lacky, to "thank" her, thus Taylor Swift is now MAGA, and her fans are "taking notice."

Epic FAIL.

[AKwannabe]

138. I see you don't mention Beyonce

She has mega followers too.
And she’s a woman WITH children.

Abortion bans have started with the states.
A case was filed at the SC level and has changed history.

Until we can get Federal protection for abortion rights again, you calling out ONE lone woman is brutal and nonsensical.

Brutalizing Taylor helps NO WOMAN.
And it sure as hell ain’t gonna make abortion legal. FFS!

[BlueKota]

164. Also wanted to say

while high profile people may have influence over a larger group of people, it also makes them a more prime target.

The psychological analysis of lot of many of the assassins, or would be assassins indicate many are seeking immortal fame.

They aren't going to get that from attacking an average neighbor who speaks out at a town hall or has a political sign in their yard. But look a the publicity they receive, if they try to take out or succeed in taking out a high profile celebrity, sport's figure, or politican..

[rainin]

178. Who is "brutalizing" Taylor? Are you reading the same thread I am? If you want to speak about Beyonce, start

a Beyonce thread. You could even start a thread calling on all celebrities to make their voices heard. The time is now. Bottom line is that, if you have influence, the country needs you. Staying silent when you have such a broad reach will be remembered.

[questionseverything]

259. Beyonce's endorsement could claw back some of the support

That rotten west has been trying to steal for years by supporting tfg

[Joinfortmill]

154. She's done more than most already. Vote.

[synni]

166. Crazy people have slipped past her security before

Your post is being willfully obtuse about the dangers Taylor Swift faces daily.

[GreenWave]

168. Save for the October surprise.

[Johnny2X2X]

170. $$$

She's a $billion business and she's got all sorts of people around her telling her to not take sides as it could hurt business.

[LizBeth]

189. Except her father already used that argument with her in 2018 Blackburn and she stood firm

stating she has a responsibility to use her platform. So $ was not a good enough reason for her. Young fans lives matter to her, go figure but lets dss her for that.

[Mysterian]

186. She's a billionaire who cares more about money

And she certainly wouldn't want to upset the redneck trump bumpkin Chiefs fans.

If she comes out for Harris, I'll sit down and STFU.

[LizBeth]

192. So I will repeat, father tried the argument in 2018 Blackburn and she argued a responsibility to speak

out using her platform, regardless. She has already made it clear that $ doesn't trump. Safety and lives of young fans does. But be nasty....

[Mysterian]

194. I'm still waiting

Let me know when Swift endorses Harris, since she has a "responsibility to speak."

[obamanut2012]

216. That's because of Joe Alwyn

She's now with Kelce, and is friends with Harrison Butker and the Mahomes.

[niyad]

187. "When your enemy is destroying itself, do nothing."

[Torchlight]

197. She appears to trigger many people.

I don't pretend to know what she does or does not do, or even where she is sitting at any given moment. Orthodoxy can be a real drag.

I fail too often in holding myself to my own standards. I'd be quite the plaster saint if I expected others to succeed on my behalf.

[brush]

204. Relax. There's still two months to go. She could be waiting for moment her endorsement will be most effective.

[niyad]

205. Edit however you like, your insistence does not change the fact that,

as you, apparently obliviously and ironically stated, she is under NO obligation to say anything about anything.

[LuvLoogie]

206. Taylor is concerned for the safety of her fans.

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Her concerts are like American embassies. They targeted her concerts because they know where she stands as a person, regardless of any given particular issue. They target her because she demonstrates good will and compassion. That is enough of a message and is a strong antithesis to fascism and bigotry.

We have the Supreme Court we do because of narcissistic purist ratfucking, not because celebrities don't endorse/condemn a given topic/candidate.

[orangecrush]

212. She does more than enough

I have no criticism.

[Quiet Em]

213. As you said twice in your original post

She is under no obligation to do so.

Women know how awful the current situation is on abortion rights. Women are going to vote regardless of whether Taylor Swift makes a public statement or not. Taylor is an entertainer. That's her livelihood. She is under NO obligation to say anything.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

215. I suggest you

Shake it off

[soandso]

287. That was terrible

Not surprised her main audience is little kids. Nevertheless, her GOTV efforts are appreciated.

[Elessar Zappa]

220. Everyone already knows where she stands.

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She’s pro-choice and against Trump and the Swifties know this. She has no obligation to make you happy.

[Hekate]

222. There is an impressive amount of cluelessness in this thread about the inherent risk of being female

Really, folks, I am impressed.

[speak easy]

224. There is an impressive amount of security

around Taylor Swift who has long had to deal with fanatical stalkers and 'exuberant' fans.The fact that she is female is of leaser consequence than being an AAA celebrity with a cult following.

[Hekate]

226. The misogyny in this country trumps everything else. I notice you haven't yet answered the question...

Have you ever had a death threat?

[speak easy]

228. Men and Women both receive death threats.

How is that related to misogyny? Are you saying that women receiving death treats are more psychologically fragile than men?

[Hekate]

230. ROFLMAO

[niyad]

234. Your every post in this thread demonstrates an appallingly clueless tone-

deafness to the reality of the misogyny so blatantly on parade at every level of our society.

I am not going to ask again, as others have, if you have ever been on the receiving end of death threats, because I think I can guess. I have, repeatedly, because I am a woman who DARES to stand up for women, to demand our rights.

I have absolutely no idea what set off this lengthy rant about Taylor Swift, but I have found your posted dogged determination to demand her compliance with your wishes utterly fascinating.

[speak easy]

238. My brother received a death threat after he came out.

I don't take these things lightly.

Taylor has received a number of death threats over the years.

Taylor Swift stalker who threatened Travis Kelce arrested in Gelsenkirchen: Report

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-taylor-swift-stalker-threatened-travis-kelce-arrested-gelsenkirchen-report

She has the best security a private individual can buy, and she needs it.

[niyad]

244. Then for Goddess' sake, LEAVE HER ALONE. Your posts in this thread continue

to indicate that, despite your assertion about taking death threats "seriously", because your brother received them (not you), you haven't got a clue. President Obama had good security, and we worried about him every day he was in office. President Biden and VPHarris have excellent security, but we have worried about them every single day since 11/9/2020.

PLEASE JUST STOP!!!

[Doodley]

257. Taylor Swift has been vilified by the right BECAUSE she is a woman.

[speak easy]

261. 32 percent of Republicans believe Swift is a CIA psyop

They hate her more for her (potential) influence than her gender.

Alarmingly High Number of Republicans Think Taylor Swift Is a Psyop

People are really starting to tack the hate onto Taylor Swift—namely, Republicans.

According to a Monmouth University Poll, 32 percent or roughly one in three Republicans believe a conspiracy theory peddled by far-right influencers about the singer, agreeing that Swift is a CIA psyop and part of a covert government effort to help president Joe Biden win re-election in 2024. That’s against 57 percent of Republicans who responded that they didn’t believe the theory, and 11 percent who responded that they don’t know.

https://www.axios.com/2020/01/24/taylor-swift-politics-miss-americana-donald-trump

[Hekate]

270. It's adorable to see you doing your part in this patriotic endeavor. It's awesome to see where your concern...

…takes you.

[speak easy]

272. Thank you so much for your concern.

Much Appreciated.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

292. MAGAts believe stupid conspiracy theories about Taylor Swift being a CIA spy

because she is a talented, successful, beautiful young woman.

They wouldn't even know about her if she wasn't.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

290. Because she is

a super successful, talented, beautiful, beloved woman. That combo shrivels MAGAt testicles.

[Doodley]

256. Not impressive enough for the Vienna concerts to go ahead. Are you saying they shouldn't have been canceled?

[doc03]

236. If Taylor Swift wants to stay out of politics that is her right. Either way she will offend

some of her fans. I wish other entertainers would stay out of politics. I don't give a damn what Oprah or
John Voight think.

[senseandsensibility]

246. Of course we all wish she would endorse

but there's still time. The people who would be influenced by her probably are late deciders. Some time in October would be good.

[Rebl2]

249. Her personal

decision to make and hers alone. Just calm down.

[quickesst]

252. That is one strategy....

.... to get her on board. Guilt

[underpants]

253. What's the saying - Mind your own business

[questionseverything]

267. In Illinois we say, " mind your own damn business "

[PortTack]

293. Yes....we do!

[PortTack]

271. Trashing!

[betsuni]

273. The Silence of the Swifts? No no no no no no.

[pat_k]

277. Whatever happened to her after her 2020 endorsement. . .

. . .is apparently not something she wants to repeat.

“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view… until you climb in his skin and walk around in it.”

- Atticus to Scout

[LymphocyteLover]

281. She may be waiting for the right time. I wouldn't rule out that she's still planning on endorsing Kamala

[Emile]

286. She is busy writing new plays for the Kansas City Chiefs.

[LizBeth]

289. I know. I read that. Oh man.... did that cause a lot of pains for the rw haters that first introduced

me to Swift because they were throwing fits she dare to go to a footie footie football game. Knew nothing of her or Kelce or the Chiefs. I have had a blast watching all the people in the right places throwing fits. She only does plays for Travis though, from what he says.

Oh, you were being snark?

I have not seen anyone do the charity work like Kelces and Swift has given millions upon millions upon millions to all kinds of sources.

[Emile]

291. Patrick Mahomes said before the game tonight

she likes to write plays and he was laughing about it.

[Jack Valentino]

298. The fall campaign has just begun.... MAYBE she is waiting

for what she considers to be the 'most effective moment' ???

I have no doubt that she is thinking about it.... but it is 'not her job' as an artist, to make or not make political endorsements...


If she decides to do so, that will be something 'not in her job description',
as well as
'far beyond the course of duty' !!!!

Other than the pending debate, there are no scheduled 'really big things' pending to happen in this campaign---

but that would be a BIG ONE!


If she DOES intend to make such an endorsement,
I fully support the fact that she has not YET done so...

It would have been lost in all the other noise, if she had.

[Jack Valentino]

299. And THAT was totally uncalled for!!!!

"Miss Americana is playing it safe"

[ZonkerHarris]

302. I didn't realize the election was over. There's still two months, right?

So there’s still a distinct possibility that there may be an endorsement.

[The Roux Comes First]

303. A Courageous Superstar in a Very Vulnerable Situation

Yes, a full-on endorsement could make all the difference. But nuanced indications could achieve a lot, and the timing can be everything.

Thanks for your judicious support, Taylor! Stay safe!!

[MontanaMama]

305. So there are people on this thread pitching a fit that

TS is NOT jumping when they say she should. Unbelievable.