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Edwcraig

(332 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 07:28 AM Sep 2024

What do you mean you are fact checking Trump on this?

CNN is legitimizing the most obviously absurd, cruel, inflammatory Trump propaganda by saying they are fact checking it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/donald-trump-fact-check-children-gender-affirming-surgery/index.html

if Trump says there will be no oxygen if Harris is elected would they fact check it? Goebbels says that by stating the big lie over and over again, the publishing of the lie by the media will give it legitimacy to the point that people will start doubting even what they know is the truth.

CNN pay attention here. Immediately call a lie a lie and pursue the liar demanding to know why the liar is lying. That is the only story here. Buck up.

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What do you mean you are fact checking Trump on this? (Original Post) Edwcraig Sep 2024 OP
But how can they be Fox Light if they call his lies out! Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #1
At least they are addressing it. And labeling it false. frogstar0 Sep 2024 #2
If someone calls a pig a cow should that be addressed, investigated? gab13by13 Sep 2024 #4
THIS malaise Sep 2024 #9
It's beyond ridiculous malaise Sep 2024 #3
I have no problem with CNN's approach to this. Raven123 Sep 2024 #5
Remember, a close election is good for media bottom lines. 3Hotdogs Sep 2024 #6
But if they don't, who will? SouthBayDem Sep 2024 #7
Don't ignore it. Call it what it is. A lie. Pursue the liar as the story, not giving oxygen to the lie by fact check. Edwcraig Sep 2024 #8
It's not just a lie central scrutinizer Sep 2024 #10
Since when is whitewashing BattleRow Sep 2024 #11
CNN's factcheck seems straightforward and to the point, trump lied. Silent Type Sep 2024 #12
intentional lying Cirsium Sep 2024 #16
CNN is establishing melm00se Sep 2024 #13
TURN IT OFF! PortTack Sep 2024 #14
CNN sucks, BIGLY! Joinfortmill Sep 2024 #15
I'm far, far more pissed when they let crazy shit like that slide RidinWithHarris Sep 2024 #17

frogstar0

(211 posts)
2. At least they are addressing it. And labeling it false.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 07:49 AM
Sep 2024

I think this is well done by CNN. Yes the statement is absurd and should be called out on the spot. But doing a full write up, with input from medical personnel is worthwhile. I get the worry about giving it to much oxygen.

gab13by13

(31,031 posts)
4. If someone calls a pig a cow should that be addressed, investigated?
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 07:55 AM
Sep 2024

Laughter and mockery would be a better response. Addressing nonsense gives it credibility.

malaise

(292,158 posts)
3. It's beyond ridiculous
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 07:55 AM
Sep 2024

First it’s children not childs
This shit simply does not happen - children go to school and go home evert day.
There is nothing to fact check - it is made up shit.




Edwcraig

(332 posts)
8. Don't ignore it. Call it what it is. A lie. Pursue the liar as the story, not giving oxygen to the lie by fact check.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 08:31 AM
Sep 2024

central scrutinizer

(12,648 posts)
10. It's not just a lie
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 08:55 AM
Sep 2024

It’s so ridiculous that the question should be about TSF’s mental state. He’s deranged.

BattleRow

(2,085 posts)
11. Since when is whitewashing
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 09:24 AM
Sep 2024

considered fact checking?

All the whitewash in the universe can't conceal the malignant stench emanating from his verbal diarrhea.

Silent Type

(12,396 posts)
12. CNN's factcheck seems straightforward and to the point, trump lied.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 09:31 AM
Sep 2024

From article in OP:

"Facts First: Trump’s claim is false. There is no evidence that US schools have sent children into gender-affirming surgeries without their parents knowing or performed gender-affirming surgeries on site; Trump’s own presidential campaign could not provide a single example of this ever happening. Even in states where gender-affirming surgery is legal for people under age 18, parental consent is required before a minor can undergo such a procedure.

Of course everything in this statement is false,” Dr. Meredithe McNamara, an adolescent medicine physician at the Yale School of Medicine, said in a Monday email. “Of course surgery of any kind happens in a qualified medical center and not in a school. Of course parents are the medical decision-makers for their kids, especially when it comes to gender-affirming care.”

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
16. intentional lying
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 11:05 AM
Sep 2024

He is intentionally lying or he is seriously deranged. That is the story to pursue.

"Fact checking" that nonsense implies that there is some question about the veracity of the claim. It also suggests that CNN is practicing serious journalism. "Look at us fact checking and everything." It is also a form of "both siderism." Trump says A but some say B.

melm00se

(5,141 posts)
13. CNN is establishing
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 09:43 AM
Sep 2024

that they are exercising due diligence as it relates to Trump's statements rather than stamping Trump comments as false or lies.

The latter plays into the Trumper claim that the news media is biased.

It is easier to defend against that when they can say "We said we were checking on it. We did. Now we can stamp it false".

That will never sway the uber-Trumpers, it will have an effect on others and move them away from Trump.

While some can petulantly stomp their foot and say "They should've been doing this all along", the reality is we cannot change the past but we can change present which impacts the past.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
17. I'm far, far more pissed when they let crazy shit like that slide
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 11:23 AM
Sep 2024

Are we going to be pissed both when they let Trump lie without comment, and also pissed when they do comment, because commenting requires repeating the lie?

I see nothing wrong with what CNN did here. It was appropriately scathing, not "whitewashing" at all, as someone else called it.

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