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Nevilledog

(55,080 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 01:42 PM Sep 2024

Finally: Top Journo Erupts at Media for Ignoring Trump's Mental State

https://newrepublic.com/article/185622/finally-top-journo-erupts-media-ignoring-trumps-mental-state

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For many months, media critics and liberal Democrats have insisted that Donald Trump’s mental unfitness for the presidency is—or should be treated as—a big and important news story in and of itself. If President Biden’s age merited extensive, focused coverage because his fitness for the job is naturally of interest to voters, goes this critique, then surely Trump’s visible incoherence, cognitive impairment, inability to cogently discuss the simplest public matters, and increasingly strange flights of fantasy also deserve equivalent treatment.

This argument has never received an even remotely serious hearing from newsroom leaders at big media organizations. But it might have just become a bit harder to ignore, now that a well-respected veteran journalist has—in a moment of striking candor—called out his colleagues for failing to take Trump’s mental state seriously as a story in its own right.

“We have a damaged, delusional, old man who again might get reelected to the presidency of the United States,” Mike Barnicle, who served as a longtime columnist for The Boston Globe and other newspapers, said on Morning Joe early Wednesday. Barnicle continued that Trump frequently says “deranged” things in public that “you wouldn’t repeat” on “American television” or “in front of your children.”

“How did we get here?” Barnicle asked. Then he pointed a finger at his media colleagues. “Donald Trump can say whatever crazy things he wants to say, about submarines, and sharks, and electric batteries,” Barnicle said. He noted that such things are “not really covered” as a window into “who the man is” or a sign that he’s “out of his mind.”

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Finally: Top Journo Erupts at Media for Ignoring Trump's Mental State (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2024 OP
Of course, many non corporate journalists have been reporting this senseandsensibility Sep 2024 #1
Its all about Cherokee100 Sep 2024 #14
Plus , of course, their corporate string-pullers peppertree Sep 2024 #18
Here's the the thing though... Dem4life1970 Sep 2024 #42
This won't change a fuck thing. The Media are fucked up and in the goddamn tank for shitty MAGA. SoFlaBro Sep 2024 #2
What are the benefits of a MAGA prez? orthoclad Sep 2024 #6
MAGA prez is a great time to make fucking money via the misery index. They excel at the fuck-up. SoFlaBro Sep 2024 #22
Follow the money. orthoclad Sep 2024 #49
Oh noooo .... the media is just "corporate". live love laugh Sep 2024 #35
BBBut Mike, he is our golden cow. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #3
Listen to Keith Olberman's podcast from today on this. Taylor Picker Sep 2024 #4
I heard it. Joe &Mica helped tscf back in 2016. lindysalsagal Sep 2024 #7
The irony of this being said on a show that was Dotards biggest bootlickers in 2016 AZ8theist Sep 2024 #23
Exactly. Taylor Picker Sep 2024 #25
KO is spot on. Greyhead Sep 2024 #44
Please, what did he say? orthoclad Sep 2024 #51
Is the MSM ever going to notice they're being criticized? wryter2000 Sep 2024 #5
Some may care but the paycheck means more than reputation. Boomerproud Sep 2024 #9
Also, the corporate M$M heads decide which reporters cover TCF and Harris Wednesdays Sep 2024 #50
If they cared about criticism this discussion wouldn't be happening. live love laugh Sep 2024 #36
uh, excuse me et tu Sep 2024 #8
Just another non- story. Nobody running mass Firestorm49 Sep 2024 #10
incomprehensible NJCher Sep 2024 #31
His Narcissistic Personality Disorder has been on display for decades. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #11
And most, if not all of them, will vote for DJT. Different Drummer Sep 2024 #28
Traditional Media Quanto Magnus Sep 2024 #12
The most brilliant moniss Sep 2024 #13
Paddy Chayefsky is so missed today. Kid Berwyn Sep 2024 #20
There's a reason they call it BattleRow Sep 2024 #21
"Man woman person camera TV" tinrobot Sep 2024 #15
In Wacko's way of "thinking"... Different Drummer Sep 2024 #30
thak you for this . AllaN01Bear Sep 2024 #16
The business plans of mainstream media may monetize Democrats, but they bend green not blue. Marcuse Sep 2024 #17
will dig into later - need to be aware of what is going on with DonOLD rurallib Sep 2024 #19
Lost all respect for Mike Barnicle infullview Sep 2024 #24
Thank you. Not to mention "plaigiarism" & being rescued by GE's Jack WELCH who UTUSN Sep 2024 #43
My new favorite . . . Metro135 Sep 2024 #26
the school nurse's office NJCher Sep 2024 #33
The library Conjuay Sep 2024 #45
One wonders if the MSM would ignore the GOP nominating the Devil for president sakabatou Sep 2024 #27
They've done that three times now. n/t Different Drummer Sep 2024 #32
The M$M is currently like a toxic, terminal disease in this country Blue Owl Sep 2024 #29
I don't know anything about this Barnicle guy. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #34
I'm waiting for the news media to declare that Trump is too old to be president. patphil Sep 2024 #37
Lester Holts has to say it in his broadcast at the evening news. No one knows Barnicle except people who watch MSNBC. Srkdqltr Sep 2024 #38
Not Really DET Sep 2024 #40
Really. I grew up in Michigan, never heard of him until Morning Joe on MSNBC. Too snobby for me. Srkdqltr Sep 2024 #41
I think they figure there's nothing they can say that would change Trump/MAGA, so they give up. TRHST82 Sep 2024 #39
You Are Immune, Mr. President! Just Do It. Justice matters. Sep 2024 #46
tRump is Bat Shit Crazy augyboston Sep 2024 #47
Corporate Media, Inc. (R): "Kamala was spotted wearing sneakers today" BoRaGard Sep 2024 #48

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
1. Of course, many non corporate journalists have been reporting this
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 01:45 PM
Sep 2024

but now that Barnicle is, people will listen? Well, good for him, but ALL journalists should have been reporting on this for years now. Unfortunately, I doubt anything will change.

Cherokee100

(454 posts)
14. Its all about
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:26 PM
Sep 2024

It's all about the money, pure and simple. 'Benedict donald' helps the media sell, its adds/stuff/crap.

peppertree

(23,343 posts)
18. Plus , of course, their corporate string-pullers
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:37 PM
Sep 2024

Presstitutes know what's expected of them: that they help elect right-wing candidates, here and abroad.

And they know their career will thank them for doing so.

Dem4life1970

(1,056 posts)
42. Here's the the thing though...
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 06:53 PM
Sep 2024

...they don't need him in office to get clicks. If he loses, they will make WAY more money than if he wins.
If he wins, all 3 federal indictments disappear overnight. If he loses, those trials will go forward. People will watch them (I WILL!) and coverage of them. They don't realize this. They think that a Trump victory and/or keeping
the horse race close, is the key to clicks and cash, but it isn't. If Trump wins, people will turn away from the news (i.e. the majority who are going to vote against him will). If he loses, there is cash to be made. I wish the CEO's
of media organizations (many of whom are Trumpi$t$ them$elve$ would realize this).

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
2. This won't change a fuck thing. The Media are fucked up and in the goddamn tank for shitty MAGA.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 01:48 PM
Sep 2024

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
6. What are the benefits of a MAGA prez?
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 02:19 PM
Sep 2024

Tax breaks, drill baby drill, unregulation.

Who owns The Media?

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
22. MAGA prez is a great time to make fucking money via the misery index. They excel at the fuck-up.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:56 PM
Sep 2024

republianmushroom

(22,326 posts)
3. BBBut Mike, he is our golden cow.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 01:52 PM
Sep 2024

Mike, how could you, you are one of us, damn it. Maybe we will have to become journalist, again. This won't be easy for some of us.

Taylor Picker

(3,976 posts)
4. Listen to Keith Olberman's podcast from today on this.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 02:02 PM
Sep 2024

Go to 28:32.



KO doesn't doubt Barnicle's sincerity when it comes to Trump, but KO brilliantly excoriates today's "Worst Person in the World," Joe Scarborough, who "fervently tried to mainstream Donald Trump and make him president of the United States."

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
5. Is the MSM ever going to notice they're being criticized?
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 02:07 PM
Sep 2024

I know the people at the top are all corporate, but the reporters must care just a little.

Wednesdays

(22,602 posts)
50. Also, the corporate M$M heads decide which reporters cover TCF and Harris
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:06 PM
Sep 2024

The ones doing the bidding of their masters have the edge over the others.

Firestorm49

(4,548 posts)
10. Just another non- story. Nobody running mass
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:07 PM
Sep 2024

media will do anything.

I was watching an MSNBC interview today with a female MSNBC “reporter” who seemed to agree that at the end of all of TFG’s rambling incoherences, that he seems to “ tie them all altogether.” What a crock. It’s like she heard one of his dumb-ass statement and accepted it as some sort of reality. No, he doesn’t tie it all together! He’s an idiot. I was shocked and pissed at what she said. TFG can barely tie his shoes, much less tie all of his loose ends together!

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
31. incomprehensible
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 04:54 PM
Sep 2024
TFG can barely tie his shoes, much less tie all of his loose ends together!

Tying points together is stressed in writing classes, whether they be academic writing or journalism. Therefore this woman is not ignorant of what that means. On the grading matrix, it is an item on which we give a score in regard to how well the student did it.

I can't imagine that she forgot all this. It isn't something someone who has attended college writing classes would forget.

I don't understand how she could make that statement.

maxsolomon

(38,727 posts)
11. His Narcissistic Personality Disorder has been on display for decades.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:15 PM
Sep 2024

You'd have to be a low-information voter to be unaware of it.

And those are exactly the people who will decide this election.

Quanto Magnus

(1,347 posts)
12. Traditional Media
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:15 PM
Sep 2024

Is run by a bunch of rich people. Of course they are going to support Drumpf, because it benefits them personally financially. The don't give a crap about truth, facts, or any of that inconvenient stuff....

moniss

(9,056 posts)
13. The most brilliant
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:20 PM
Sep 2024

movie about the "media" and specifically the medium of TV is "Network". One of the greatest writing jobs in film history. It is poignant on several levels at once. Does the big media we have now not want to risk lifting the fog they so purposely and deeply create? Of course it couldn't be such a thing because that would require multi-billion dollar corporations to have an agenda to control and protect how they are perceived while having a simultaneous agenda to manipulate the responses of people for the purposes of generating audience numbers by controlling presentation and content. Good heavens it would be sheer madness to think they would do such a thing.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
20. Paddy Chayefsky is so missed today.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:40 PM
Sep 2024
Network sets the standard for top quality writing, as well as filmmaking.

Diana's The Mao-Tse Tung Hour wasn't too bad as concepts go, either.

BattleRow

(2,449 posts)
21. There's a reason they call it
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:47 PM
Sep 2024

programming.

And thank you so much for recommending "Network".
I recently on about 3 posts implored folks to watch it..truly a prescient playbook as to what's going on now.

A second film is "Seven Days in May".
Not media related but about military coup.Stunning and timely.
Directed by John Frankenheimer and screenplay by Rod Serling.

Marcuse

(9,010 posts)
17. The business plans of mainstream media may monetize Democrats, but they bend green not blue.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 03:36 PM
Sep 2024

infullview

(1,129 posts)
24. Lost all respect for Mike Barnicle
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 04:05 PM
Sep 2024

when he wrote about how Boston was the epicenter of civilization and when you go to places like cow-town Portsmouth NH, You’re in Hicksville where all the toothless ignorant people are.

His version may have been more elegantly stated but that was the jist of his rant. That’s back when the Globe was still a real newspaper. I think Barnicle’s kind of a dick and I doubt he’s changed that much.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
43. Thank you. Not to mention "plaigiarism" & being rescued by GE's Jack WELCH who
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 06:55 PM
Sep 2024

was also sugar daddy to RUSSERT.




Metro135

(403 posts)
26. My new favorite . . .
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 04:39 PM
Sep 2024

Is his demented blather about how kids go to school, and then when they come home they're a different sex. Apparently they undergo a sex change operation in school. Where? In the library? The teacher's lounge? Is there a doctor on call?

Then years alter they wonder "what the hell happened to me"?

Jesus H. Christ.

Conjuay

(3,067 posts)
45. The library
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 07:57 PM
Sep 2024

They threw out all the books so they would have room on the shelves for the convelesing.

Blue Owl

(59,104 posts)
29. The M$M is currently like a toxic, terminal disease in this country
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 04:52 PM
Sep 2024

Like cancer, it feeds on sugary-sweet junk while ignoring the growing rot within, until it is too late....

It is up to we the people to reject this cancerous assault, keep electing democrats, and hope the next generations are able to weed out this dangerous, toxic assault on our senses.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
34. I don't know anything about this Barnicle guy.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 05:15 PM
Sep 2024

Not a blessed thing. But I'm glad somebody in the media is saying this and doing so forcefully. It's way past time to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and pretending that enormous pachyderm isn't there.

Who knows, this could be the start of something. Now that someone has opened the conversation in a public manner, others may choose to join in. Greg Sargent, who wrote the article linked in the op, already has. I hope others do as well.

But even if they don't, this desperately needed to be said, and I'm glad somebody went on TV and freaking said it.

P.S. I wrote the above before reading the article. Now that I've read it, I want to encourage others to check it out. Sargent has done a greater job of driving the point home than I realized. In so doing, he has thrown down the gauntlet to his fellow journos in a way that challenges others to respond.

patphil

(9,068 posts)
37. I'm waiting for the news media to declare that Trump is too old to be president.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 05:30 PM
Sep 2024

If elected, he'd be 78 years and 7 months old when he is inaugurated, and 82 years and 7 months when he leaves office (assuming he is still alive and actually leaves office). That would make him 5 months older than President Biden will be when he leaves office.
As it is, he would be the oldest person to be sworn in as president in the history of the United States.

Right now Trump is just an old man who is fading fast, and will, most likely, not make it through a 4 year term if elected.
That would result in J. D. Vance being sworn in as president; a truly frightening possibility.

Srkdqltr

(9,760 posts)
38. Lester Holts has to say it in his broadcast at the evening news. No one knows Barnicle except people who watch MSNBC.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 05:45 PM
Sep 2024

DET

(2,499 posts)
40. Not Really
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 06:03 PM
Sep 2024

I’ve been reading Barnicle since I was a kid - and that’s a long time. If you grew up in Massachusetts, you knew Barnicle. Whether you liked him or not is a different issue.

Srkdqltr

(9,760 posts)
41. Really. I grew up in Michigan, never heard of him until Morning Joe on MSNBC. Too snobby for me.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 06:30 PM
Sep 2024

A lot of people still watch local TV news and the national news that comes after.
I know the folks on here watch only streaming, never watch awful local stuff or network news but a lot of others do.

My point was someone on network news has to say it. Again and again. Unfortunately in today's climate they will be fired probably.

TRHST82

(57 posts)
39. I think they figure there's nothing they can say that would change Trump/MAGA, so they give up.
Thu Sep 5, 2024, 05:48 PM
Sep 2024

Plus, they're afraid of the "liberal media bias" label and even resort to false equivalence.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
46. You Are Immune, Mr. President! Just Do It.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:03 AM
Sep 2024

Send The Mental Asylum Technicians To Merda-Largo To Save The Nation As The Patriotic Official Act It Is!

augyboston

(379 posts)
47. tRump is Bat Shit Crazy
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:23 AM
Sep 2024

tRump is Bat Shit Crazy and the MSM has failed the American people by treating him as normal.

Our democracy is in peril and these clowns in the media are culpable because of the way they've tried to normalize this man's insanity.

I'm glad Kamala has refused to play their game of gotcha and has refused to play ping pong with screwball tRump.

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
48. Corporate Media, Inc. (R): "Kamala was spotted wearing sneakers today"
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:26 AM
Sep 2024

"According to the dozens of magat republicons we interviewed,
this is a far worse fashion faux pas than Obama's infamous tan-suit affair."

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