CNN. Father of Georgia shooter charged. (Edited)

[underpants]

4 counts involuntary manslaughter and other charges.

[LuckyCharms]

1. Good.

[malaise]

13. Ditto

Rec

[wordstroken]

72. Agree.

[Roy Rolling]

100. Now the "peace officers"

They visited the house but later said they didn’t find enough evidence of a gun violation?

It seems to me someone didn’t look very hard, or just turned a blind eye to a house full of firearms and a kid who bragged about being a school shooter.

Explain to me how a 14-year old can’t buy decongestants, but can be a Constitutionally-protected armed militia member?

[Dave Bowman]

101. That makes no sense at all.

[Roy Rolling]

113. Metaphor

It is argued military-grade weapons are a Constitutional right as a militia member, yet an AR-15 ended up in the hands of a 14-year old. He isn’t in the military yet uses automatic military weaponry to murder classmates and teachers. Something isn’t right.

[wordstroken]

104. I hear you.

Something is definitely not right.

[Scrivener7]

2. Good. Do this every time, and parents will be a lot more careful where they put their guns.

[LonePirate]

23. He bought the gun as a Christmas present for his son. His son likely maintained sole possession of it.

The father very likely did not keep it locked in a safe that was only opened for hunting trips.

[consider_this]

31. Christmas present?!?!!!

WTF does a weapon have to do with Christmas? Maybe right wing nationalist evangelical Christmas?
Blessed are the armed, for they can fuck up the earth.
Not the Christ or Christmas I am familiar with.

[jimfields33]

42. My cousin got a BB gun for Christmas in the early 80's and the family is as liberal as can be.

People get all kinds of gifts. I’d say he was 16. He was older than I was.

[consider_this]

47. Ok, well...

That's a toy, for target shooting and playing cowboy. Not a lethal weapon, at least AFAIK

[jimfields33]

50. I definitely know that. Just pointing out people get all kinds of gifts for Christmas.

No way would anybody get an assault rifle for a gift anytime even adults would never gift that or heck even own one.

[consider_this]

52. I may have an incorrect memory, but...

Wasn't it Rittenhouse or Cremo who received their murder weapon as a Christmas gift? (Hope someone can clear it up for me.)

[Jack Valentino]

80. Rittenhouse wasn't....

if memory serves, his weapon was 'borrowed' ??

I don't know who Cremo is.

[consider_this]

82. Highland Park, IL July 4th shooter

[Jack Valentino]

86. Thanks. There are so many, how is anyone to remember all their names?

Without keeping a list in a file.... and mostly I have no interest in remembering their names-- yannow ??

[consider_this]

89. it's true. This is all one giant trauma mashup.

Someone posted a list yesterday of a ton of shitty things TSF had done or said during his presidency. It was so long and so full of egregious and disgusting things against common sense and common good - it was sick to read through it and relive remembering such trauma. This is similar and I am so sick of it.
For the love of all that is decent, I sure hope there is a blue wave up and down the ballot to give us half a chance that someone will do something about this gun problem. I can't imagine what it is like to be a child and have to worry about the real possibility of such incidents in their young lives.

[Jack Valentino]

90. Amen.

[getagrip_already]

61. Are you seriously comparing a bb gun to a weopon of war?

I had free access to rubber bands and paperclips. Must be the same thing?

Sheesh. Talk about a reach to the nra god.

Buying an assault weopon for a child who has threatened yo kill his classmates, and had a visit from the FBI, is not the same thing as getting a red rider for christmas.

His father is an irresponsible asshat.

There is no both sides argument here.

[jimfields33]

70. Read the thread

[getagrip_already]

74. I did, you compared a bb gun to ar15...

And dismissed the signifigance of giving it to him, even after an FBI visit.

[jimfields33]

75. Read it again.

[markodochartaigh]

67. I was going to include a link to a church

that encourages its parishioners to train with and carry guns, but there were just too many. I'm glad that some people have had a different experience with Christianity than I saw in Texas. But just because you are unfamiliar with something doesn't mean that it is not a danger to you. In fact, the more that you are ignorant of it, or dismiss it, likely the more dangerous it is to you.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Hunting_with_Jesus

[magicarpet]

92. Here's one here,...

.... guns for Jeebuzz....

■○■○■○■○■○

From its beginning, the church wholeheartedly embraced former President Donald Trump and incorporated Trumpian culture war and conspiracies into its rhetoric. Moon told VICE News in late 2019 that he believed God was working through Trump to rid the world of “political satanism” (for example, the “deep state” and “the swamp”) and restore Eden. Through his gun-centric, MAGA-friendly outlook, Moon has been able to establish some fringe political alliances. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon spoke at a recent event hosted by the church. Pennsylvania state senator and “Stop the Steal” organizer Doug Mastriano was also recently billed as a special guest at another church event.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gun-church-that-worships-with-ar-15s-bought-a-40-acre-compound-in-texas-for-its-patriots/

[pat_k]

98. And then there's the World Peace and Unification Sanctuary

The

[markodochartaigh]

107. Yes, Reverend Moon's church

and its offshoots are next level.

[Rorey]

79. I recall Boebert's family Christmas photo

All of them were holding firearms, I believe.

I'm glad the father got charged, but am surprised it happened so quickly.

[ShazzieB]

108. Christmas is when parents like to give their kids the "big" presents.

It doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks an assault rifle is A! Really! Kewl! Thing! To! Own! would see it as a great Christmas gift for his kid.

[consider_this]

112. right, but I am saying it is a perversion, or actually, the antithesis...

of anything that Jesus Christ represents. Hence, I find it disgusting to be associated with Christmas.
I am aware in america, and elsewhere, it has no connection to JC at all and is simply a consumerist holiday - but my 'wtf a gun gift' remarks are coming from the spiritual sense of Christmas being desecrated in this manner.

[Jim__]

36. This is after the police talked to him and his son about threats the son made?

[LisaM]

41. Yep.

It's pretty unbelievable.

I was hoping the Michigan case with the Crumbleys would set precedent for this.

[iluvtennis]

62. Me too. But guess this dad didn't learn anything

from Papa and Momma Crumbley being found guilty of manslaughter.

[soandso]

78. This is a really interesting legal issue

Until the case in Michigan, I don't think I'd ever heard of parents being charged for the crimes of their spawn. Now, we have this in Georgia. AFAIK, I'd be good with parents (or custodial parent, whatever the case is) being held responsible for all violent crime committed by their minor children. Not just shootings where the parent owned or supplied the gun, but all violent crime. They raised these monsters and it's very much on them. Shootings, stabbings, beatings, car jackings, armed robbery, rape, whatever. Charge the parents, too. I'll bet there would be a massive reduction in violent crime.

[Jack Valentino]

85. That blanket position really isn't reasonable. Parents may raise their children,

but they can't control their actions 24 hours a day, every day.


That said,
the father here was criminally irresponsible, considering what had happened previously.

[soandso]

88. Do they not raise them

and provide the environment that creates the criminal?

[ShazzieB]

109. It's. Not. That. Simple.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you're not a parent.

Most of us who are parents quickly find out how many aspects of our children's personalities, behavior, and choices are NOT under our direct control.

If you are a parent and your experience has been different, you've been extremely fortunate, imo.

[LisaM]

94. That's where it's similar to the Michigan case.

The parents knew the kid was disturbed and alienated at home, and their solution was to buy him a gun, which they clearly didn't keep under lock and key.

Same shit, different day.

[Jack Valentino]

95. So I would consider the charge of 'involuntary manslaughter' justified

in this case-- on the information that has been published so far.

However, the father is also charged with 2nd degree murder, which I think is a huge stretch,
unless they have evidence that the father encouraged the son to commit this shooting---

(But perhaps they are over-reaching as a strategy for a 'plea-down' conviction in the case? Who knows.)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

110. Any kid can turn bad. They might have a mental health problem or some creepy peers.

I also know some kids who grew up into good people despite being born to horrendous parents and in a hateful environment. My twin brother is going to vote for Trump, while I’m a certified liberal. On the other hand, my parents were die-hard Republicans and I guess they are responsible for my brother’s vote in the state of Michigan.

[lostnfound]

99. LOL Which parent? The one that abandoned a kid, or the one that is working two jobs to put food on the table?

The one who beat the kid or the ”custodial parent” who escaped with the kid but doesn’t know how to fix the broken child?
The one who didn’t get custody may be the one who did the most damage.
What about the grandparents who are providing food and housing but don’t have a clue what the grandson is doing on Discord or in the chat rooms?
Parenting in America just sucks.

In this case, the father was criminally negligent and i am very glad he is being charged.

In a lot of cases, it’s way more complicated.

[Irish_Dem]

64. The FBI talked to him about his son's threats last year.

He still gave his son access to guns.

He cannot say he did not know about the threat.

Usually people take visits from the FBI seriously.

[Trueblue Texan]

69. And maybe they'll reconsider whether they really need that gun at all. nt

[ornotna]

3. Just watched too

Good!

[Cha]

4. Good.. should be.

[SheltieLover]

5. Good!

[ZonkerHarris]

6. Lock him up

[MarineCombatEngineer]

7. Good, the father knew that his son had mental problems

and apparently didn't secure his firearms so his son couldn't access them, which, in my eyes, makes him just as guilty as the shooter.
Try him and if convicted, impose the max sentence as a lesson to other irresponsible parents who leave their firearms accessible to children.

[maxsolomon]

9. Worse, he supposedly bought the psychopath an MSSA

AFTER the FBI visit.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. Now 2 children are dead and 2 teachers and others wounded by gunfire and there's also the trauma

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suffered by the whole school because of this asshole of a father.

[Upthevibe]

55. MarineCombatEngineer............

It's actually two students and two teachers....

[Irish_Dem]

65. Teachers should be getting combat pay.

Students too.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

77. Oh, my bad,

I thought it was 4 children, I'll edit my post.
Thanks.

[FirstLight]

34. I'm not familiar with gun talk what is an mssa?

Thanks

[maxsolomon]

38. Military Style Semi-Automatic

AKA "Assault Rifle". It's more descriptive and encompasses more models than AR-15s.

I learned it on DU from our in-house Gunners.

[orleans]

20. here's a couple cases where the parents were charged (good!)

https://apnews.com/article/july-fourth-parade-shooting-crimo-father-6f8edc6923f5ec5c99707b8d1d905b28

https://apnews.com/article/james-crumbley-jennifer-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-e5888f615c76c3b26153c34dc36d5436

[soandso]

83. Is the age to get a license 21?

In 2019, at age 19, Crimo III was too young to seek his own gun license, but he could apply with the sponsorship of a parent or guardian.

[maxsolomon]

8. That was quick.

I thought I read on DU today that wasn't going to be possible in Jorjya.

[roscoeroscoe]

26. That Sheriff was pissed.

EOM

[teran]

35. GBI

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation charged him, apparently. I don't know how that's different from what state or local police departments can do, but I sure am glad someone could figure out a way to hold the parents responsible.

[Deuxcents]

10. Good. I'm surprised it came so early, as it should, but rarely happens

[Skittles]

11. charge these reckless gun humping pieces of SHIT

maybe it will make other gun humping cowards THINK for a change

[Coexist]

12. Good

[pfitz59]

14. Charge Gov Kemp and Rep Collins

they had a hand in this as well. Freaking gun nuts.

[malaise]

63. THIS

Rec

[wordstroken]

76. Yes, they should be charged, too. IMO

[lostnfound]

16. Maybe they should try the adult as a child if they will charge the child as an adult

I’m sorry but trying a 14 year old as an adult is absolutely absurd under any and all circumstances.
They aren’t adults, and no amount of hand-wringing over our pitiful society that lets CHILDREN get their hands on SOPHISTICATED MACHINES that can slaughter people in minutes.

[msongs]

24. a 14 yr old knows what a gun is for and what heppens when its used nt

[mucifer]

29. 14 yos do not have fully developed brains. They are not adults.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know#:~:text=The%20brain%20finishes%20developing%20and,the%20last%20parts%20to%20mature.

It doesn't happen until the mid to late 20s.

This means these gun laws and the behavior of the parents have destroyed a lot of lives including the 14 yo kid.

It's barbaric on so many levels.

[Mosby]

33. Georgia has the death penalty.

Nt.

[LisaM]

43. It's Georgia law. N/T

[underpants]

48. That's my rec. I did find this odd

He’s 14 so he is a minor (I have experience working in the juvenile justice world - very dedicated folks) and he did this ….he’s 14.

[Midnight Writer]

49. 14 year-old school shooter in my Illinois town was tried as a juvenile and was released in two years.

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He opened fire in the cafeteria during lunch, apparently because someone was making fun of the way he dressed. (of course, there are surely deeper issues)

He shot two people before a heroic teacher grabbed him and disarmed him. One injury was serious, the other minor. Supposedly, the person who was seriously injured was his friend, who saw he had the gun and was trying to talk him down. From what I have heard, the friend recovered nicely (physically, at least).

He was sentenced to a mental health facility and completed treatment, then was released on probation. He violated his probation within months of his release and is now in a juvenile prison. What I am hearing is he must be released when he is 21, but a judge can hold him for longer if he is declared mentally unfit.

[soandso]

87. That's awful

And I don't understand how anyone could want any sociopath released just because they were under 18 when they turned violent criminal. They will never change or be rehabilitated and will go on to harm others.

[ecstatic]

60. that ship sailed a long time ago

I was looking for the story from 23 years ago about the 12 year old boy tried as an adult and was STUNNED by all these recent child killers. It's shocking. But yeah, I think the Lionel Tate case opened the floodgates for kids being tried as adults.

12-year-old girl charged with murder https://fox59.com/news/national-world/12-year-old-girl-charged-with-murder-accused-of-suffocating-8-year-old-cousin-in-bed/

11-Year-Old Is Charged in Killing of 82-Year-Old Ex-Mayor and His Daughter https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/us/louisiana-boy-minden-mayor-shooting.html

12-year-old charged as adult in fatal shooting after victim refused to sell a gun https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/28/a-12-year-old-boy-has-been-charged-in-a-fatal-shooting-in-milwaukee/70056292007/

[Itchinjim]

17. Good.

[bdamomma]

18. Father

was complacent in his son's social media comments. The son had commented about the Parkland High School shooting.

[John1956PA]

96. I am not sure of the facts. I am thinking that . . .

. . . the authorities were notified that Colt Gray had made ominous oral statements in a web gaming venue. Such oral statements are not archived by the venue. After being notified of the happening of such oral statements, the authorities questioned Colt Gray in the presence of his father. Colt Gray denied making the statements. Without archived recordings of the statements, the authorities did not have evidence to further their investigation.

[Irish_Dem]

97. But the father probably knew his son could have made those statements?

His father knows his son better than the FBI.

The father would have been prudent to lock up the guns in the house
after a visit from the FBI?

[Think. Again.]

19. I'm not seeing the video, did you remove the link?

[orleans]

27. not a video but here's a cnn link

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

[Think. Again.]

30. Thanks!

[peachpit24]

21. Gun

Does anyone know how much that gun would cost? I assume a lot

[maxsolomon]

39. An AR 15 is under 1K.

If you went to a gun show, I bet it would be cheaper.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

66. Ive seen them as low as 400 bucks

For very basic ones.

[madville]

106. $300 if assembled from a parts kit

They can be one of the most inexpensive guns on the market, especially buying budget or used parts. If one 3D prints the lower receiver (what’s considered the actual firearm) they can get that total cost down to $200-$250, crazy.

[sarisataka]

22. Good

[msongs]

25. its a dad/son thing. nt

[Silent Type]

28. This one was easy. First, he bought it after FBI warning. Second, the sheriff and GBI are really ticked because they

didn't handle the warnings, red flags, etc. So, dad got charged quickly.

[ancianita]

44. Seems that way. But one thing I don't understand...

or feel a bit confused about... how did the sheriff and GBI not handle the warnings; I thought GA doesn't have red flag laws; weren't they just taking the path of least resistance because of GA's lax laws?

So is it reasonable to think the sheriff and GBI were pissed, not because they didn't prevent deaths, but because the feds exposed their unprofessional lack of due diligence anyway? And because of that, they're pissed about the future of their LE careers? Feels like the adults are schooling the so-called grownups about why such laws exist.
I'm probably overthinking this and confused.

[Silent Type]

57. They really screwed up, and the lax laws didn't help. Supposedly the original investigation

in 2023 was in another county with another “high sheriff.” One theory is when the shooter started at the new school, the concerns may have gotten lost in shuffle. It’s sad all around.

Can’t help but think someone like Coach Walz could have helped him.

[underpants]

68. The audio I heard in CNN - the sheriff interrogater seemed apologetic to the 14 year old kid

[MichMan]

32. Good, hope he never gets out

[spanone]

37. Cnn: He gave the 14 year old the gun as a holiday gift

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-school-shooting-georgia-09-05-24/index.html

[Sky Jewels]

40. GOOD!!

More of this, please!

[Fla Dem]

45. As well he should be.

[a kennedy]

46. Yup, needed to be charged as well.......

[Demovictory9]

51. Good.. Appropriate

[applegrove]

53. Good.

[senseandsensibility]

54. Where's the mugshot?

They released the son's.

[ShazzieB]

111. It's starting to show up lots of places.

You can see it here: https://www.wsav.com/news/gbi-frequently-asked-questions-apalachee-high-school-shooting/

Scroll down to see mugshots of both father and son.

[Mz Pip]

56. Good

He must have know his kid was investigated by the FBI but still kept lethal weapons within his reach.

[flying_wahini]

58. Nothing quite says I Love You at Christmas like a big'ol gun.

I know they are hot sellers at Christmas here in North Tx.
And they can’t wait “to really use it”.

[Silent Type]

59. Think someone like Coach Walz could have helped the shooter.

[Ursus Rex]

71. Not good at all, it's horrific.

Two more lives are going to be ruined because of his choices. That’s not good to me. It’s fair that he pays for what he enabled, but it’s not a good thing overall, imo.

[Skittles]

73. so you're saying the people who ENABLED the shooter shouldn't be charged?

there needs to be accountability for this gun humping sickness in America

[wryter2000]

84. To quote you, "it's fair he pays for what he enabled."

How is he going to pay if he isn't charged?

[canetoad]

81. I'm glad he's been charged

But it seems contradictory that he has been charged with allowing a kid to get hold of a gun but the kid himself has been charged as an adult.

[WarGamer]

91. good.

[JCMach1]

93. FFS you son is investigated by FBI as a threat

Sure, buy him an AK...


What F'ing universe???

[brush]

102. May he never see another day of freedom. He bought his son...

the one who a year earlier had threatedn to shoot up his school, he bought that killer and assault rifle.

Lock his ass up forever.

[mdbl]

103. Let's wait til after the election to prosecute

wouldn't want any 2nd amendment politics involved.

[madville]

105. Should charge parents with all crimes minors commit

Good. Parents should be charged with any crime a minor in their custody commits. Everything from shoplifting to murder, that would increase parental responsibility overnight.