Fred Guttenberg: THE FATHER BOUGHT THE FUCKING GUN AS A CHRISTMAS PRESENT!!!

[Dennis Donovan]

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Fred Guttenberg
THE FATHER BOUGHT THE FUCKING GUN AS A CHRISTMAS PRESENT AFTER THE VISIT FROM THE FBI!!! This should be the moment that everyone can acknowledge the 2A, both gun rights activists and gun violence prevention activists, but also come to the realization that gun rights should never get in the way of preventing gun violence. This statement is not anti-gun, it is anti-gun violence. This should be a moment of common ground. Can we all agree that is not rational and this was preventable? Can we all agree that this father should face criminal charges? Can we all agree that a red flag law was warranted? Because this is Georgia, there was no red flag law. I hope they find a way to hold the father to account. He should rot in prison. My fight to reduce gun violence is because I truly believe that we can and must do more to stop these instances of gun violence and that we can do so in a way that is not an affront to gun owners or the 2A. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, ONLY VOTE FOR CANDIDATES WHO WANT TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE. I WILL BE VOTING FOR Kamala Harris
AND Tim Walz AND DOWN BALLOT FOR A CONGRESS THAT WILL HELP THEM DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE NEXT PREDICTABLE AND PREVENTABLE ACT OF GUN VIOLENCE LIKE THIS.

CNN
The father of the Georgia school shooting suspect told investigators he purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son, sources say. https://cnn.it/3Mzikh9

The father of the Georgia school shooting suspect has been arrested and charged, authorities say


The father of the Apalachee High School shooting suspect has been arrested in connection with the shooting that left four people dead, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Colin Gray, 54, has been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, the GBI said Thursday.

His son, Colt Gray, a 14-year-old student, is accused of killing two students and two teachers with an AR-style rifle in the Wednesday shooting. Seven other people – six students and a teacher – were injured by being shot, and two other students suffered other injuries, authorities say.

The teen has been charged with four counts of felony murder, according to charging documents obtained by CNN. He is expected to be tried as an adult, the GBI and Barrow County sheriff have said.

The charges against Colin Gray stem from him “knowingly allowing” his son to have a weapon, GBI Director Chris Hosey said at a news conference Thursday.

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[Irish_Dem]

1. The father should be arrested and placed in jail pending trial.

He is a threat to the community.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. He has been. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

9. Wow, the criminal justice system doing its job.

Thanks for the info.

[orthoclad]

40. Doing the job a year too late

Took Daddy's word that the kid would never get access to the "hunting" gunz.

I'd love to see a national "personal responsibility" law with gunz. The purchaser/owner is responsible for all crimes committed with the gunz. No exceptions. Crystal clear, no state-by-state and county-by-county variation.

[Irish_Dem]

50. Yes.

So now the FBI has to look like it is doing its job.

Yes we need a federal law as you describe.

[MichMan]

20. No bail?

[lastlib]

24. TBD..... n/t

[soldierant]

62. i may be wrong, but

I think I read somewhere it was set at $10,000.

[Walleye]

3. Maybe, like Lauren Boebert, he wanted to make sure his son would be a "real man" not one of those effeminate

Transgender liberal veggie eating boys. Another words it seems to me he’d rather his son be a murderer than a democrat.

[gay texan]

31. 100% toxic masculinity n/t

[BoRaGard]

4. Descent into madness

and still the G.O.P. persisted.

Still, the G.O.P. refused to do a damn thing to protect the children,
to take Weapons of War off the streets.

[bdamomma]

34. The Magats like Boebert

large Marj,Gov Abbott, proudly display their gun fetish by shooting targets or cans of beer, or have their children holding weapons for a Christmas picture!!!! It's really sick. Do they go to bed holding their piece????

What sickos everything to them is violence, hate, and be afraid of us, shit,! Or get the libruls!!! Playing right into the propaganda which is being fed by outside misinformation and disinformation.

Nope they are showing us how weak and insecure they are.

[FarPoint]

5. My sense of this ...parents buying children weapons/ guns...

These are not rare, random acts and a fluke of awful parententing....I believe it is happening in thousands of homes....GOP/ MAGA homes across the country.

[Walleye]

32. Yep, buying your kid a gun at the same time saying your pro life. They are trying to virtue signal,but there's no virtue

[FarPoint]

39. Another thought...

Parent's lied to police earlier in Spring of 2023 about home gun practices...That teaches kid that he can do whatever he wants/ parents will cove him....Plus, was rewarded at Christmas for the threats made back then with a weapon of war.

Results/ murder happend

[Walleye]

41. Makes you wonder what age they think is too young to own a gun. 12, seven, five?

[DoBW]

6. holidays in jail from now on ....

won't make up for deaths, but legal consequences must apply in my view

[Maeve]

7. And so he has been arrested for murder

In historic case, father of 14-year-old school shooting suspect charged with murder

Colin Gray, the father of the suspected Apalachee High School shooter, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree murder and cruelty to children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/09/05/colin-gray-arrested-father-georgia-school-shooting-suspect/

[Pototan]

8. Let me see if I can understand his reasoning

In an attempt to celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, I will buy an assault rifle for my 14-year-old son, even after the FBI flagged my son and sent the local police to investigate his posting of committing a mass shooting at his high school.

I guess this is MAGA's version of family values.

[FarPoint]

42. The boy was rewarded for his insane behavior...

AR-15 for Christmas...reinforcing the threatening behavior... It worked too.

[womanofthehills]

68. He said he bought his son the gun to bond with him

There is a video of the kid hunting with his dad. Kid kills a deer & father is so proud.

Mother- divorced from dad -is a mess - stealing cars, meth, taped her mother to a chair for 24 hrs - threatened to kill kids etc.

[Demsrule86]

10. Good the Father needs to pay for what he has done...and the parents of those kids who died or were injured...

need to sue his MF family for every dime they have.

[Botany]

11. Guns and gun violence are on the ballot this fall

Kamala Harris: 'We have to end epidemic of gun violence in our country once and for all!'

[erronis]

19. Let us hope that we can finally bring sanity to this issue.

Of course the gun humpers/NRA/russo-phils will use this against the Democrats.

[Botany]

22. The majority of Americans support reform of our insane gun laws.

AR-15


M-16 like they carried in Vietnam.

I have hunted and owned a FEW guns for years and I would give them up in a
second if it would stop this madness.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

45. Don't forget the Subversive Court loves gun violence.

[Conjuay]

12. Nothing shows good, American Christian values,

Than buying your child a military grade weapon to celebrate Christ's birth.

[bdamomma]

36. Yea,

Love your fellow man, out the fucking window!!!

[Wicked Blue]

60. Here son, go murder your classmates in the name of Baby Jesus

[gibraltar72]

13. When I heard the first name of shooter

I told my wife, the boy was groomed from birth. She asked what I was talking about and I explained the first name. She the just let out a sigh.

[Botany]

18. Good pick up thanx! Colt.

Colt AR-15

[AverageOldGuy]

27. That's my M-16 from Vietnam

I used it damn near every day and night for its intended purpose. It kills very well.

[Botany]

29. Although that war was wrong and awful but I am very glad your M-16 worked for you in Vietnam

I had a childhood friend’s older brother who was a Marine and was close to the North Vietnamese
and Laos borders. He was 2 weeks short of 19 years old when he stopped getting older. That
man used to take me fishing and shooting a .22 pump. I plan to visit his grave soon.

[gay texan]

33. My dad did the same thing

They were designed to kill people, nothing else .

[Demovictory9]

21. The son was extension of fathers manhood: boy plus gun equal big peepee

[cab67]

14. make an example of him.

[dlk]

15. This level of gun worship is a serious and dangerous pathology

And we have the daily body count to prove it.

[Joinfortmill]

16. AR15 type rifles are weapons of war and should be BANNED.

[Delmette2.0]

17. All of the above and

Don't forget the unknown children and adults traumatized by the shooting. We will never know the emotional scars left behind.

[TommieMommy]

23. How insane is that OMG 😳

[melm00se]

25. In certain parts of the country

parents buying their kids their 1st firearm is a child's rite of passage.

and 99% of the time, its no big deal because along with the gun comes the lessons that guns are tools, must be handled responsibly and used in a safe manner.

For me, my 1st gun was a Marlin 60 with a brick of .22LR, a packet of my own targets and I was 10 years old. Almost 50 years later, it is still with me, a little worn and scuffed and still pretty accurate and I have yet to lose my mind and shot up the joint.

From what I have read about the kid's family, it is not exactly a Leave it to Beaver family. Mom's into drugs and is no stranger to the criminal and civil justice system.

I, personally, support firearm storage laws with one alteration. Most states have this as misdemeanor. The law should be changed so if Jr. gets his hands on a gun and commits a crime, the charge for the parents mirrors that.

Kid commits a Class A felony, mom and dad catch a "failure to secure" Class A felony charge. The crime cannot be subject to a plea deal.

[bdamomma]

37. what ever

happened of buying your kid a fishing pole???? It's a sickness our children getting killed just going to school. Just pure hate and evil.

[melm00se]

46. That argument

is along the lines that guns are really an uber intelligence that can influence the weak minded of their owners and force them to the bidding of the gun.

[Keepthesoulalive]

51. Guns can and do give people the feeling of power.

That child had problems and he needed help not a gun. Everyone in the United States does not need a gun. We need licensing , background checks , age limits and if you sell guns outside of those rules and someone is hurt of killed you are equally responsible. Oh yeah many people in rural areas are more afraid of the weekend hunters than the animals because they will shoot anything that moves including people.

[Skittles]

56. gun humpers are COWARDS

alas there are a lot of COWARDS in the "HOME OF THE BRAVE"

[AverageOldGuy]

26. Here's a really, really nutty idea

After the shooting, a couple of students were interviewed, both said the boy was a loner, no friends.

As I recall, that's the description of a lot of these shooters who shoot up their own school.

I heard this morning on CNN that the cops had confiscated 3 guns from the father two years ago when the family was evicted from rental property. This tells me a lot about the family's finances, stability, and likely their constant moves from one rental to another. No wonder the kid was a loner -- unstable home life.

My wife taught high school English for 35 years. She and other teachers were good at spotting loners and doing their best to bring the loner into the normal flow of high school life -- sometimes it worked, sometimes not.

Teenaged kids are very cruel, especially to each other and more especially to loners.

Would it be too much for schools to form "Friendship Clubs" -- kids who would make it a point to eat lunch with the loner, to drag the loner out of his/her shell as best they can? You never know -- just eating lunch with the loner one time might change his/her mind and avoid a shooting.

[meadowlander]

55. Not everyone who is a loner is dangerous or a problem.

Some people just don't want or need the same level of social interaction. I'm autistic and find the constant social demands and expectations totally exhausting to the point where it can damage my health when I can't avoid it.

I was a loner in school by choice, never hurt anyone, did not need to be "dragged out of my shell", and would have avoided anyone trying to set up a "Friendship Club" like the plague.

For a lot of these kids, reinforcement of neurotypical, extrovert norms are what drives them into depression and hostility not being on their own which they naturally prefer and which there is absolutely nothing wrong with.

[ShazzieB]

64. I don't know...

Would it be too much for schools to form "Friendship Clubs" -- kids who would make it a point to eat lunch with the loner, to drag the loner out of his/her shell as best they can?

This might be helpful to some kids, I guess. But I was a loner, not because I wanted to be, but because I was painfully shy with a ton of social anxiety that was exacerbated by my family moving around too damned much during my tween and teen years. The idea of my peers being tasked with trying to "drag" me out of my shell makes me shudder. I was IN that shell to begin with because of my peers treating me like a freak because I didn't talk, dress, act, and think exactly like everybody else. The last thing I would have wanted was to be targeted with forced "friendliness" by the same kids who I already KNEW saw me as a weirdo and a misfit.

I think one of the best things schools could do is teach kids about how people are NOT all just alike, and that's OKAY.

In my experience, teens are, collectively, the most judgmental people in the world, and they can be beastly to any kid who is a little bit different in any way. Every time we moved and I had to change schools, each school had its own culture and its own rigid set of unspken rules about what was socially acceptable, and God help anyone who didn't know ALL of those rules and follow them perfectly. It was exhausting trying to figure out what the expectations were in each new place, and anyone who isn't clairvoyant is bound to mess up somewhere. So of course I did mess up,
especially when I was new somewhere and still trying to figure out how things worked.

I wish that schools would teach kids that it's perfectly all right to be "different," and that being a square peg who doesn't quite fit into the little round hole everyone thinks you should fit into does NOT mean you are a freak or a complete failure at life. It would have meant the world to me to hear a message like that, and I think it would have done the kids who were NOT misfits a lot of good as well, in a different kind of way. It might have helped all of us to be nicer to each other and less quick to pronouce judgment.

Nothing like that ever happened at any of the schools I attended. We were all allowed to treat each other however we wanted and ostracize anyone who didn't fit in The kids who knew how to fit in or had some ability they could get recognition for found success and approval in various ways while the rest of us floundered along as best we could.

The teachers never seemed to notice someone was having trouble, unless they acted out or or were literally flunking. People like me, who were quiet and shy and didn't cause any trouble, who were not stellar students but not literally failing any of their classes were ignored. I got along fine with teachers and other adults, and they never seemed to notice I had any problems or needs that weren't being met.

Nobody paid any attention to bzd bullying or acknowledged it in any way back then. Nowadays, everyone knows bullying is a thing, but the approach seems to mainly be just to tell kids not to do it and maybe punish them if they do. IF anyone is teaching kids to accept and embrace their own and each another's differences, to be kind to themselves and their peers, and to understand that we're all different and that that's a feature of being human, not a bug, I'm not aware of it. But I think that could help SO much.

P.S. Sorry for writing a freaking book, lol. This topic stuck a nerve with me!

[Aussie105]

28. The depth of depravity this story reveals is repeated across many homes in America.

The Wild West ethos of 'a Gun makes you a Man' needs to unwound and destroyed.

The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

But the important voices that can change things are silent. Too silent.

[magicarpet]

30. Look no further than mommy Boebert and her little angel big gunz boys.

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[Abolishinist]

67. Family values!

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[Renew Deal]

35. The father sounds like another person whose mind was poisoned by RW media.

Bought the whole gun loving macho man argument. The problem is that MTG's and Collin's of the world perpetuate this fantasy and the simple minded emulate it.

[Srkdqltr]

38. The parents of the shooter in Michigan.are in jail now. They gave him the gun as a gift

Knowing that their son had mental issues. The boy is in prison for life.

That is how to deal with this.

[Evolve Dammit]

43. There is your war on Christmas

[Evolve Dammit]

44. There is your war on Christmas

[Stargleamer]

47. I think our side buys telescopes as Christmas presents

Their side buys such weapons. Just a difference in priorities—learning vs. bs

[appleannie1]

48. I am 81. If I wanted to buy a pack of cigarettes, I would have to show ID to prove I am over 21

If I was caught giving a minor a cigarette or alcohol, I would be charged. When the FBI had a meeting with that father and son, they should have been able to remove all the guns from the house, their names should have been put in the system to make it impossible to buy new ones. When you threaten to shoot someone, you should not be able to access a gun.
Did you ever think that owning a gun is more important than someone's life? Children have the right to safely attend a school. People should have the right to go to a store, a restaurant or a movie without fearing a nut will enter and shoot them with a gun that is so fast they do not even have time to take cover. Today people overlook the part about "a well regulated militia". There is absolutely nothing regulated about a father being able to buy his child an assault weapon.
If you are in the military, the guns are locked away and only an officer has a key. You are not allowed to walk around with a gun unless it is empty and you are practicing taking it apart and cleaning it, target practice, or you are in a battle zone. And they are today's militia. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry that mistakenly thinks it is manly to have the biggest gun they can get their hands on thinks they have the right to something that was meant for the military. And the NRA, Winchester and the others are laughing on the way to the bank with their hard earned money. Parents are needlessly burying their children, families are burying their loved ones. Taking a weapon away is nothing compared to taking away a life.
I probably won't be welcome here anymore but I don't really care. That is my opinion and I have the "right" to voice it.

[julmur]

49. Milwaukee Irish

Makes one question if some of the maga parents ( term used loosely) are deliberately buying guns and encouraging violence in their kids, thinking they’ll get less time than they themselves would? Truly disturbing thought, but these people seriously want some ridiculous civil war against liberals

[Blue Owl]

52. Man that is so fucked up

[brewens]

53. Where are the parental rights people screaming about parents not being notified of credible shooting threats at

their kids schools? They lay awake at night worried their kid might have an openly gay teacher but are okay with sending a kid to school under those circumstances? What about the ID of the kid threatening the shooting? Their kid could be in class with the guy or hanging out with them.

I know they can't do that but MAGAt nutjob parents never know any laws except gun rights. I'd just love to see the gun MAGAts fighting the parental rights types.

[Jim__]

54. Has anyone asked the father: What the fuck were you thinking? I'd really like to hear his answer.

[GAJMac]

57. Late to the comments,

But Damnit!

When will some organization (legal or otherwise) finally publish the pictures of the aftermath of these shootings?
The Viet Nam war was largely accepted until the public finally started seeing pictures of the both the dead American soldiers, and the ones who survived with the horrific wounds inflicted by these weapons designed for mass killings.
I understand that this will invade the grieving family's privacy. I understand that this will reopen many wounds that family and friends of the deceased may be moving past. Believe me, I wish them no more pain.
But I also wish that this never happen to another person in this country, ESPECIALLY children.
Put the proof of the violence WE allow daily in front of the masses. I believe that only THAT will force those in power to actually face down the ones who put profit before humanity.

[TBF]

58. Guns are not an uncommon holiday present in Texas (even for kids) -

but you'd think AFTER the visit from the FBI the guy would be a little more careful. What is wrong w/people?

[BeneteauBum]

59. Blazing Saddles

Every time I see something like this, I think of Gene Wilder’s unscripted quote when they were talking about racist views of common townspeople, clay of the earth, etc. Wilders response was ‘you know, morons’. That is how I view all the adamant pro gun crowd…..you know, morons. I don’t believe they are capable of appreciating the real issue here: guns kill. The same for the father who bought his fourteen year old son an AR-15 for Christmas….you know, another moron.
Peace ☮️

[Skittles]

61. I loves me some Fred Guttenberg

he honors his baby girl in the best way possible

[tclambert]

63. 'Cause nothing says Santa Claus and Baby Jesus like having the ability to shoot other children.

And make it an AR-15. That's the kind baby Jesus would have wanted.

[calimary]

65. I'm sorry. A tool made for killing. As a CHRISTMAS PRESENT!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

As a CHRISTMAS present?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That sounds like the abomination OF ALL abominations, at least to me.

THAT'S how you celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace???????????

[Linda ladeewolf]

66. Nothing shows love

Like giving the gift of death to your kids! 💀👀