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Ocelot II

(131,199 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:59 PM Sep 2024

About TFG's sentencing delay: Andrew Weissmann just made a really good point.

By delaying both the sentencing and the motion to dismiss until after the election, Judge Merchan ensured that SCOTUS can't possibly get its hands on it before then.

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About TFG's sentencing delay: Andrew Weissmann just made a really good point. (Original Post) Ocelot II Sep 2024 OP
USSC can do whatever it wants. Sick of "legal experts" who think the system is working. 617Blue Sep 2024 #1
I have little to no faith in SCOTUS, but there is no path for an appeal to reach them, given no final hlthe2b Sep 2024 #3
Trump could petition them to stay the case on the immunity issue, even though it's a state case. Ocelot II Sep 2024 #5
Still has to go through Federal Appeals process... Did he maintain Trump could leapfrog the 2nd Circuit? hlthe2b Sep 2024 #6
I think he's concerned about the shadow docket; he mentioned that he didn't trust SCOTUS Ocelot II Sep 2024 #8
Well, that is a depressing prospect... hlthe2b Sep 2024 #9
So did Andrew Weissman say this will prevent the SC from touching the case before the election, or didn't he? LauraInLA Sep 2024 #11
The SC is poisoned, diseased, vestigial, and therefore dangerous to our common welfare. Magoo48 Sep 2024 #14
And to what degree are ANY of the judges BattleRow Sep 2024 #17
I easily can see that at around 8PM in some states that the vote counting is stopped LiberalArkie Sep 2024 #23
I know, they live in their own legal fantasy world. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #29
The worst thing for the Democrats is if this case got to this Supreme Court in time pnwmom Sep 2024 #30
Yup... And if there is any justice in the heavens and on earth, Biden will be handing over directly to Harris... hlthe2b Sep 2024 #2
That's a good point. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #4
I had another thought. Maybe the judge is planning to sentence him to prison. It would make sense for Vinca Sep 2024 #7
It sure would be nice and clean if he lost the election Demobrat Sep 2024 #12
The way the process is FUBAR he will just say he is running for 2028 Justice matters. Sep 2024 #27
I caught that and he said it with such confidence I believed him. badhair77 Sep 2024 #10
Glad for that. It's what I said earlier on another thread. ancianita Sep 2024 #13
That was my first thought as well. bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #15
Alvin Bragg did *not* oppose Trump's request for postponement LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2024 #16
Yup. And I wish people would stop bashing Judge Merchan, Ocelot II Sep 2024 #19
I agree LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2024 #25
Not surprised MissouriDem47 Sep 2024 #18
that is a good point. barbtries Sep 2024 #20
Yes, and if TSF did win.. Dem4life1970 Sep 2024 #21
Not Surprised. Disappointed but I expected this outcome months ago. msfiddlestix Sep 2024 #22
I think it was a good decision. kentuck Sep 2024 #24
Not if he announces he is running for 2028 after conceding. Justice matters. Sep 2024 #28
He won't concede, "it was STOLEN from me" RainCaster Sep 2024 #31
People can "silver lining" it all they want; just more BS that benefits trump oldsoftie Sep 2024 #26
If for some stupid reasons Dump should get to 270 mdbl Sep 2024 #32
 

617Blue

(2,526 posts)
1. USSC can do whatever it wants. Sick of "legal experts" who think the system is working.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:01 PM
Sep 2024

These lawyers are too inured in their legalities to see what's right in front of their eyes. Merchan was afraid and he folded. F that guy.

hlthe2b

(114,640 posts)
3. I have little to no faith in SCOTUS, but there is no path for an appeal to reach them, given no final
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:04 PM
Sep 2024

decision nor sentencing has taken place. State court process has to play out.

Ocelot II

(131,199 posts)
5. Trump could petition them to stay the case on the immunity issue, even though it's a state case.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:06 PM
Sep 2024

There are avenues for interlocutory proceedings. And Andrew Weissmann, of all people, surely knows that or he wouldn't have made that comment.

hlthe2b

(114,640 posts)
6. Still has to go through Federal Appeals process... Did he maintain Trump could leapfrog the 2nd Circuit?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:09 PM
Sep 2024

Ocelot II

(131,199 posts)
8. I think he's concerned about the shadow docket; he mentioned that he didn't trust SCOTUS
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:22 PM
Sep 2024

to keep its hands off the case. They can do pretty much what they want procedurally, and it IIRC takes only one justice to place a matter on the shadow docket. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/supreme-court-shadow-docket

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
11. So did Andrew Weissman say this will prevent the SC from touching the case before the election, or didn't he?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:26 PM
Sep 2024

Now I’m confused and don’t have a link to check for myself.

Magoo48

(6,738 posts)
14. The SC is poisoned, diseased, vestigial, and therefore dangerous to our common welfare.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:37 PM
Sep 2024

BattleRow

(2,702 posts)
17. And to what degree are ANY of the judges
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:09 PM
Sep 2024

not hopelessly caught in the sticky foreign honeypot?

LiberalArkie

(19,915 posts)
23. I easily can see that at around 8PM in some states that the vote counting is stopped
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:12 PM
Sep 2024

(when Trump is ahead in that state) per the precedent. of the 2000 Supreme Court Florida ruling.

Irish_Dem

(82,259 posts)
29. I know, they live in their own legal fantasy world.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:43 PM
Sep 2024

They actually think justice is being done and the system is working.

pnwmom

(110,321 posts)
30. The worst thing for the Democrats is if this case got to this Supreme Court in time
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 02:50 PM
Sep 2024

for them to reverse the NY criminal convictions.

They could decide to take an emergency appeal and decide it in Trump's favor. That would not be beyond them.

Andrew Weiss is right; We don't need an October Surprise like that would be.

hlthe2b

(114,640 posts)
2. Yup... And if there is any justice in the heavens and on earth, Biden will be handing over directly to Harris...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:02 PM
Sep 2024

so there should be zero opportunity for him to make "Presidential claims" ...

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. That's a good point.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:05 PM
Sep 2024

But I still don't like the idea of ANY consideration, other than the evidence and testimony allowed during the trail and the allowed sentencing guidelines and standard court scheduling, to have any affect on the outcome of any trial or sentencing.

Vinca

(54,321 posts)
7. I had another thought. Maybe the judge is planning to sentence him to prison. It would make sense for
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:15 PM
Sep 2024

him to go away for as long as Michael Cohen at the very least. If that happened before the election, the right would depict it as the Second Crucifixion and they'd use it to turn out votes. It also takes away a lawsuit if he's sentenced after the election. If sentenced before a loss, he'd be claiming his loss is the court's fault.

Demobrat

(10,310 posts)
12. It sure would be nice and clean if he lost the election
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:32 PM
Sep 2024

and then got sentenced to what anyone else would get.
Sucks that the election was considered in any way at all, though. I thought better of this judge. Fooled again.

Justice matters.

(10,052 posts)
27. The way the process is FUBAR he will just say he is running for 2028
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:03 PM
Sep 2024

RRRRight after he loses (that would be before November 26), thus, no sentencing before the end of November 2028.

ancianita

(43,341 posts)
13. Glad for that. It's what I said earlier on another thread.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:34 PM
Sep 2024

We need to broadly understand that this SCOTUS is a clear and present danger to justice.

Everything's in place for Congress to complete judicial reform even during the inauguration, so that by then President Harris will be able to submit her 4 justice nominations.

On the day we win we'll get justice, and for at least a generation thereafter.

bucolic_frolic

(55,772 posts)
15. That was my first thought as well.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:59 PM
Sep 2024

Judges Merchan dnd Chutkan have stepped lightly in their rulings since SCOTUS voted for immunity. To me they seem wary. No one know where SCOTUS is headed exactly.

So thwarting their game until after the election is good. And Trump cant run around screaming how unfair the sentence because there is none for now.

LetMyPeopleVote

(181,906 posts)
16. Alvin Bragg did *not* oppose Trump's request for postponement
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:09 PM
Sep 2024

Alvin Bragg did not oppose the postponement which may be a major factor in Judge Merchant's decision



This might come as a surprise to some. But keep in mind that the prosecution did *not* oppose Trump’s request for postponement. And that appears to be a key factor taken into account by Justice Merchan in determining that Trump’s sentencing hearing ought to be delayed.


Ocelot II

(131,199 posts)
19. Yup. And I wish people would stop bashing Judge Merchan,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:16 PM
Sep 2024

who has handled the whole matter with impeccable fairness. He has explained his decision clearly, including the important fact that the prosecution didn't oppose the motion. If the prosecutor is OK with it, why is there so much fussing from folks jumping all over the headline, apparently without reading the damn letter or thinking about what the judge and the prosecutor are trying to accomplish.

MissouriDem47

(442 posts)
18. Not surprised
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:16 PM
Sep 2024

While I am disappointed that the sentencing is not going to happen until after the election I understand the reasoning. I believe Harris is going to win the election so the date Trump is sentenced is unimportant. In fact is will give Judge Merchan more leeway to put the hammer down.

Dem4life1970

(1,056 posts)
21. Yes, and if TSF did win..
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:00 PM
Sep 2024

...there would be a constitutional crisis as these are state charges, leveled against a Private Citizen, not a Sitting POTUS. No Federal pardon touches them and the SCROTUS would have to create something out of whole cloth for Individual 1 (which they've proven they are willing to do-like with the scandalous Immunity Ruling mind you).

msfiddlestix

(8,183 posts)
22. Not Surprised. Disappointed but I expected this outcome months ago.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:07 PM
Sep 2024

I don't think we have to take a poll to determine that most people focused on justice matters as related to TFS is not at all surprised whatsoever.

kentuck

(115,595 posts)
24. I think it was a good decision.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:14 PM
Sep 2024

It has thrown Trump for a loop.

If he loses, his ground is much more shaky, in my opinion.

Justice matters.

(10,052 posts)
28. Not if he announces he is running for 2028 after conceding.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:08 PM
Sep 2024

The convicted felon knows now running for the presidency is his only chance of not doing any jailtime in this country.

RainCaster

(13,883 posts)
31. He won't concede, "it was STOLEN from me"
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:20 PM
Sep 2024

He will give his usual BS talk about how the election was stolen, everybody knows that. Then ramble about some fictional cannibal and how it's acceptable for him to rape women because he's famous.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
26. People can "silver lining" it all they want; just more BS that benefits trump
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:21 PM
Sep 2024

He's NEVER GOING TO JAIL folks.

mdbl

(8,731 posts)
32. If for some stupid reasons Dump should get to 270
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 03:27 PM
Sep 2024

The judge can still throw him in jail. The white house should not be turned over to a convicted felon.

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