What's with the Huff Post headline in screaming red???? (Correction: original headline is gone now)

[a kennedy]

Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2024, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.huffpost.com/

Kamala Harris faces a growing possibility that she could win the most votes in November but still lose the election because of the Electoral College, election forecaster Nate Silver writes in his latest newsletter. He projects that there is about a 20% chance that Democrats lose the presidency despite receiving the most votes for the third time since 2000.

Silver's model currently shows Trump with a 61.5% chance of winning the presidency.

Trump has gained ground on Harris in polling averages in key Rust Belt swing states Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, and Silver writes that Harris is losing ground to Trump in polling averages for six of seven battleground states.

You can read more of the polling expert's Silver Bulletin newsletter here.

[birdographer]

1. I quit reading Huff Post several months ago

when their pro-trump bias became obvious.

[TheBlackAdder]

9. Same here. They really turned to shit, especially after firing staff and expecting free content contributions.

[BigDemVoter]

28. Same here.

[PJMcK]

29. I left years ago

Even before they changed the name from Huffington Post, they were on a sleazy downward trajectory. After Arianna Huffington sold it, the website's commercial interests overtook its journalistic principles. In disgust, I quit reading them and deleted the site from my Favorites.

Their own reporting is sensationalistic as the screaming red headline you point out demonstrates. As an aggregate news source, they pale compared to others. Many of their columnists are either ignorant or vapid.They also seem to have too great an interest in celebrity.

Oh, well. Who really cares what I think, eh? (wink)

[CrispyQ]

2. How much did the Russians, Russians, Russians pay Nate?

Seriously, this isn't what I'm seeing in the polls on TV. It's close in those states sure, but I don't see Trump gaining ground. Does anyone else?

[haele]

17. Nate Silver is in a partnership with a start-up gambling site.

I suspect it's in his financial interest to look for stats and polls suggesting this election is a horse race.

Haele

[no_hypocrisy]

3. One problem with polls is there is no standard for quality control

or accuracy.

[hlthe2b]

4. It has been reported that Nate Silver is funded by Peter Theil, JD Vance's key benefactor and mentor.

Coincidence? ... such that a win by Harris-Walz could be interpreted as so unexpected so as to underscore claims of corrupted results? Tin foil plot or realistic Trump strategy?

[comradebillyboy]

5. Huffpo worked hard to elect Trump in 2016.

I haven't taken them seriously since. Why should I start now?

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

6. There have been abundance of partisan right wing polls

There has been an abundance of right-wing-leaning polls in Pennsylvania, including those from Trafalgar Group, Patriot Polling, Wick, and InsiderAdvantage, showing Trump in the lead. These polls skew the results in Nate’s model. Interestingly, even these biased polls show Trump winning by only 1 or 2 points, indicating they can't manage to create a significant lead for him.

[RJ_MacReady]

7. Nate Silver

Is not credible.

[getagrip_already]

8. Credibility is an interesting term

He has credibility as roaring trump supporter. He has credibilty as someone who twists data and lies to support his political stands.

He doesnt have it as an indepent unbiased data analyst.

[a kennedy]

10. Well ok then, taken Huff Post off my list along with the NYT

Thank you very much. Less stress for moi.

[Hotler]

11. If the fascist win, I'm not playing nice. ... nt

[rso]

12. RSO

Makes zero sense, first he says dems have a 20% chance of losing the Presidency, then he says Trump has a 61% chance of winning the Presidency.

[Demsrule86]

14. He works for the GOP and a gambling site...they call the shots...recently he gave

equal weight to a shitty poll ranked below 250 over a You Gov poll.

[stopdiggin]

20. that was 20% chance of losing while winning popular

the other figure has to do with just straight probability of win.

But, you are still free to take anything the guy says with a grain or two of salt.

[rso]

23. RSO

The fact that Nate even thinks Trump has a chance of winning the popular vote shows that he’s nothing but a shill.

[rso]

24. RSO

The fact that Nate even thinks Trump has a chance of winning the popular vote shows that he’s nothing but a shill.

[Demsrule86]

13. Nate Silver works for a fucking Republican. Nothing he says should be used here.

In his most recent 'polls' and I use that loosely...he used Texas as a swing state in the latest poll. He is a fraud and a righty and should not be posted here.

[JohnnyRingo]

15. We can think what we will about Nate Silver, but Huffpost is not right wing.

Do we really live in such a tight bubble here that any deviation from the left is seen as a hands-on operation of the GOP? We're killing the messenger.

These are some of the headlines in HuffPost just today for those who boycott the site:

This Endangered Trump-State Democrat Is Betting On Abortion Rights
Nikki Haley Struggles To Call Trump A 'Good Candidate' Despite Endorsing Him
Trump Holds Press Event Just To Attack Women Who've Accused Him Of Sexual Assault
This Popular Health Care Initiative Could Be On The Chopping Block If Donald Trump Wins
Federal Indictment Reveals It's Remarkably Easy To Fool Right-Wing Media
Trump Fumes Over 'Irrelevant' Dick Cheney In Meltdown After Harris Endorsement
Republicans Are Once Again Questioning Kamala Harris’ Blackness
DNC's Flying Banner Mocks J.D. Vance, Project 2025, Michigan's Rival Over Football Game
Dick Cheney Is Voting For Kamala Harris And X Users Don't Know How They Feel
(As one person put it, "How awful is Donald Trump? Dick Cheney is voting for his opponent who is a female Democrat. That’s how awful he is.&quot
The Complete List Of Past GOP Presidential Ticket Members Who Say They're Voting For Trump. (It's... not very long.)

And...Jaleel White Reveals The 1 Thing That 'Irked' Him About Steve Urkel. ...Because it's still HuffPost.

[Sugarcoated]

16. They like to stir the pot

[bluesbassman]

19. In legal terms it's called "fruit of the poisoned tree".

Nate Silver is damaged goods, he has sold himself to the highest bidder and that happens to be Peter Thiel, so Silver’s credibility is in the toilet. If Huffpost wants to print his crap then it taints everything else they provide. Just the way it is, you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

[stopdiggin]

22. which is another way of saying opposing points of view

will not and shall not be tolerated! Our 'sources' must be kept clean and unsullied ... With no hint of contamination with the evil ones! Sigh. - - - - - - - - - - -

As the poster points out HuffPost puts up a huge amount of 'liberal' content. If that is not sufficient for your tastes (and I'm not a huge fan myself) - that is of course your decision. But labeling them a 'right wing rag' just isn't terribly credible. And similarly - arguing that an article based on Silver's projections, has the effect of nullifying all their remaining content - 'fruit of the poison tree' - is equally trenchant and also lacks credence. In short - overreach, and a real stretch.

And now .. back to regularly scheduled programming ...

[bluesbassman]

31. You know, Tucker Carlson likes to claim he has an "opposing point of view".

Should his thoughts and claims be posted here as legitimate commentary or theories? Part of why this country is so goddamned divided is that people run around spouting “opposing points of view” that are nothing more than propaganda and rightwing talking points. If one points out that these “opposing points of view” ARE propaganda and rightwing talking points, the perpetrators get all butt-hurt and aggrieved that their rights to spread lies and misinformation are being trampled upon.

Again, you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. Huffpo wants to post Silver’s biased and tainted data without any sort of disclaimer that he’s a rightwing shill, they deserve the scorn heaped upon them no matter what “good” articles they post.

[stopdiggin]

32. got it. you do not think opposing points of view

have any standing or legitimate place in the marketplace. And that any media or voice that features such - makes them a shill and agent of the enemy.

I think we understand one another here just fine. We just don't happen to agree on the fundamentals.

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[bluesbassman]

35. You keep using that phrase; I don't think it means what you think it means.

But that’s fine, you obviously have lots of time to wade through lies, and propaganda, and misinformation. That’s great and hopefully you’re able to mine some useful insights from it. I prefer not to subject myself to it, no matter how noble it might be to give operating space to people who most certainly do not have anything close to my interests or wellbeing at heart.

[kimbutgar]

18. Shockingly I find more truthful headlines on the Drudge Report

I also very rarely look at HuffPost but now find more anti old don coverage on drudge report. Don’t look at it daily but at least once a week and he doesn’t like old don.

[Vinca]

21. They should be leading with Trump being the babbling idiot he is.

[geo1]

25. I don't read any opinion pieces, though I do read the opinions of DU posters

I sleep a lot better at nights that way. I try to stick to reading news reports (AP, Reuters, etc.), avoid anything labeled opinion or analysis. I used to read Huffington Post years ago, don't go there now. I avoid TV news for the same reason. I used to be a huge TV news junky, switching among the network coverage in the mornings and tuning in to CNN and MSNBC in the evenings. I pulled the plug on most of that during the later Obama years when it dawned on me that TV "news" had become virtually all opinion packaged as entertainment. I think the day the lightbulb went off was when I tuned into morning news to find out what Obama had said at his State of the Union (missed it live) and all they were talking about was what shoes Michelle Obama wore. For awhile I would tune into MSNBC occasionally, particularly to listen to Rachel, but stopped doing even that a few years ago. I have occasionally turned on TV news when something big was going on, but quickly turned it off when all I saw and heard was talking heads giving opinions on what was happening instead of talking about what was actually happening. Those who regularly watch TV news may not have noticed just how bad it has become. When you don't watch it for a long time and come back, the difference is stark and extremely disturbing. The same goes for printed news. It is getting extremely hard to find a news article that states the facts rather than someone's interpretation of the facts. (Sorry I got long winded on this....)

[Sogo]

26. Nate Silver is desperately trying to remain relevant.

He's proven himself repeatedly to be a incompetent pollster and should be ignored!

[Blue Owl]

27. The Bluffington Post

[JohnSJ]

30. Silver is getting paid for saying what most of us already know. What will insure that doesn't happen is a huge turnout

from Democrats, women, young people, and republicans who won't vote for trump.

I am hoping that a sizable number of haley supporters will actually cross over to vote for VP Harris. The Cheney endorsement was not expected by most, and while it probably won't happen, it is very possible that it may move other republicans to vote for Harris.

Every vote will be critical.

[Ocelot II]

33. Nate Silver is no longer credible.

Isn't he on the payroll of Peter Thiel?

[Diraven]

34. Nate Silver accepts all polls

The problem with his model is he gives equal weight to all polls, and legit polls get completely swamped by an overabundance of conservative-funded right-slanted polls.