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The NYTimes-Siena poll today has Orange up.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/08/us/politics/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Abnredleg
(1,260 posts)GOTV will be key.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)Its hard for me to believe the race is neck and neck. But I have to remember I see things thru my eyes and others have a different perspective by. God help us if the orange menace wins the election.
Getting our voters to the booth is all that matters. Polls are useful data but they cant accurately predict voter turnout. Part of the reason I hate polls is that they either discourage or allow folks to get overconfident. I refuse to let any poll get me distracted on the things that will help us win and that is donating, volunteering and making sure people I know are registered to vote.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Yes
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)is that we GOTV.
We will see what happens with the only poll that counts, the one in November. Personally, I believe that the polls are not able to factor in those who don't answer calls from numbers they don't recognize because of all the SPAM calls that occur, I believe that number could be significant, especially among the younger demographic.
Even with this poll's sampling it indicates a very muddled picture.
In my view the only thing the polls may indicate is trends, and since President Biden stepped aside, that trend has so far favored us.
One poll means very little, and national polls are not how Presidents are elected.
Just looking at the stats in this poll it is even more confusing. They also make some assumptions.
I will give you an accurate analysis of this poll, flip a coin.
" Interviewers spoke with 1,695 registered voters across the country from Sept. 3 to 6, 2024.
Times/Siena polls are conducted by telephone, using live interviewers, in both English and Spanish. About 96 percent of respondents were contacted on a cellphone for this poll.
Voters are selected for the survey from a list of registered voters. The list contains information on the demographic characteristics of every registered voter, allowing us to make sure we reach the right number of voters of each party, race and region. For this poll, interviewers placed nearly 194,000 calls to nearly 104,000 voters.
To further ensure that the results reflect the entire voting population, not just those willing to take a poll, we give more weight to respondents from demographic groups that are underrepresented among survey respondents, like people without a college degree. You can see more information about the characteristics of our respondents and the weighted sample at the bottom of the page, under Composition of the Sample.
The polls margin of sampling error among likely voters is plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. In theory, this means that the results should reflect the views of the overall population most of the time, though many other challenges create additional sources of error. When computing the difference between two values such as a candidates lead in a race the margin of error is twice as large."
Scruffy1
(3,534 posts)But not about a particular poll. the very fact that this race is even close is a condemnation of our own culture. When a complete
idiot without any real ideology except racism and greed can even be in the running for an office you know you live in a crazy country.
America has become the land of the ignorant where beliefs beat facts. The use of the word "conservative" to describe the crazies being manipulated by the media is just a symptom of a declining republic. I largely blame the media, but there is a lot of factors. If Harris loses my house is going up for sale and I'm moving across the border ( maybe a mile away) and buying a Claudia Scheinbaum hat.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)It is a condemnation of our culture when a person like Trump is so close. I fear for the future of the country. Even if Harris squeaks out a win, these MAGAs will tear up the country
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)I see the energy.I see the happiness.I see the crowd sizes
We have a strong woman candidate with abortion front and center on issues. We also have the perfect V.P. candidate in Gov. Tim Walz to complement V.P.Harris.
Since abortion was on the ballot we have over performed the polls by 5% or so. GOTV will be the key and I think we have the organization and energy to that far better than maga.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Did it happen in 2020? Also, some critical comments in the NY times poll came from KY and MO. I know polls are not end in all. But, ignoring them is not a good strategy. We should take it as a caution but work. Yes, I know I am very concerned as most of my friends in DU are. At least, some are partially worried. But tied state polls means GOTV.