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riversedge

(80,810 posts)
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:01 PM Sep 2024

Poll reveals shift in race between Trump and Kamala in two big states

It would take a miracle to flip these states--but miracles do happen!!



Poll reveals shift in race between Trump and Kamala in two big states
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-reveals-shift-in-race-between-trump-and-kamala-in-two-big-states/ar-AA1qb1Zc?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=9875b3421ac54892b769cbc3b6b1e325&ei=10#


Story by James Gordon For Dailymail.com • 16h

The race for the White House is tightening up in two states previously thought to be solidly Republican.

Latest polls suggest the southern states of Texas and Florida, which Trump carried comfortably by 5 points and 4 points respectively in 2020, are now far closer than at any time in the race.

Trump won Florida in both 2016 and 2020 securing 30 electoral votes, while Texas which has remained solidly red since 1976 was also won by Trump in 2020, garnering him 40 electoral college votes.

But the former president has seen his support erode among most demographic groups since his Democratic rival in the November 5 election, Vice President Kamala Harris, replaced President Joe Biden atop the Democratic ticket over the summer.

Now in two states that were never considered swing states or toss-ups, things could be about to change with latest surveys from Emerson College suggesting Harris is now within the margin of error (about 3 points) in the two states.


The poll suggests Trump is only narrowly ahead in his home state of Florida at 50 percent with Harris at 45 percent.


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Latest polls suggest the southern states of Texas and Florida , which Trump carried comfortably by 5 points and 4 points respectively in 2020, are now far closer


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Kamala Harris was welcomed by Senator John Fetterman and his wife Gisele Barreto Fetterman at Pittsburgh Airport on Friday



County elections supervisors revealed there are currently 5.3 million active Republican voters in Florida compared to 4.3 million active Democratic voters.


But Florida could still flip either way with a further 3.9 million voters who are either not affiliate with any political party or who affiliate with minor parties...............................

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Poll reveals shift in race between Trump and Kamala in two big states (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2024 OP
This is why TX and FL are busy suppressing the vote. orthoclad Sep 2024 #1
Tx AG Paxton doesn't even TRY to hide it, either. flying_wahini Sep 2024 #17
He's teflon. orthoclad Sep 2024 #31
If there is money and time, Harris should go to Florida BluenFLA Sep 2024 #2
About that ground game of Trump's, here's a Michigan story. CrispyQ Sep 2024 #9
Kinda why the NY Times/Sienna poll seems displacedvermoter Sep 2024 #3
The Times seems to have its thumb on the scale for Trump. Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #27
Also, it's a SINGLE poll. Seems to me it'd be logical to take several polls and average them to get the best percentages Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Sep 2024 #30
What has not changed is the disrespect for the female Democratic nominee by the "press." Gaytano70 Sep 2024 #4
Because Harris is such a presidential name Metaphorical Sep 2024 #7
They did the same thing with Hillary. n/t birdographer Sep 2024 #13
That's how most people here call her Kaleva Sep 2024 #33
she is labeling herself by her first name. nt msongs Sep 2024 #22
BS Gaytano70 Sep 2024 #26
You can buy merch labeled Kamala at her campaign website Kaleva Sep 2024 #35
Give me a break Gaytano70 Sep 2024 #36
I think it actually will take something close to a miracle to elect a woman to be president in this country Walleye Sep 2024 #5
I disagree with their statement about when Texas became red MagickMuffin Sep 2024 #6
To be fair griffi94 Sep 2024 #10
I think people forget that. Richards needed a prayer to win her election and she got it. Self Esteem Sep 2024 #15
Poll nonsense Cirsium Sep 2024 #8
Agreed. The article makes a point beyond the data. carpetbagger Sep 2024 #32
Abortion and women's health issues MyMission Sep 2024 #11
Women have a choice birdographer Sep 2024 #14
We've heard this tune before. GaYellowDawg Sep 2024 #12
i'll raise you a 3 et tu Sep 2024 #19
I don't see a shift of one point worth the headline. LAS14 Sep 2024 #16
Texas has been a conservative rightwing state since 1845 LostOne4Ever Sep 2024 #18
She has to win PA PennRalphie Sep 2024 #20
We didn't expect to win Georgia and Arizona last time IronLionZion Sep 2024 #21
I won't be surprised at a squeaker Harris victory in either or both Warpy Sep 2024 #23
This is why Paxton is using intimidation and lawsuits to suppress the vote. ananda Sep 2024 #24
A Closer Race at the Top of the Ticket Should Help Down Ballot Races n/t Indykatie Sep 2024 #25
Mutually supporting Senate & presidential coattails raise turnout bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #28
Let's see the polls at the end of September, still too early. OnDoutside Sep 2024 #29
We got this. Blue and purple states will be EZ! oasis Sep 2024 #34
And both states have senate races that could decide control of the Senate. Persondem Sep 2024 #37

BluenFLA

(229 posts)
2. If there is money and time, Harris should go to Florida
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:12 PM
Sep 2024

Even if she loses the state, by going to Florida Trump will be forced to spend resources in defending his adopted home state whenever she or her high profile surrogates visit. Remember, she has a better ground game than him.

There is no way his ego can handle him losing the state to her. So he won't listen to reason as he blows his money in the state. They are already throwing away money just to air ads near Mar A Lago just to keep him happy.

As a bonus, the money and time he wastes in Florida is taken away from the Blue Wall states, which guarantees her victory up north.

displacedvermoter

(4,501 posts)
3. Kinda why the NY Times/Sienna poll seems
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:13 PM
Sep 2024

wrong to me. Trump is closing shop in places like NH, NJ and VA that were supposedly close not too long ago, but aren't any longer.

And swing states are now tightening or Harris has leads, states whose polling supposedly were the kiss of death for President Biden.

And now polls like these from Texas and Florida. The Times poll seems fishy, Trump cookie sales in PA notwithstanding.

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(1,117 posts)
30. Also, it's a SINGLE poll. Seems to me it'd be logical to take several polls and average them to get the best percentages
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 06:09 PM
Sep 2024

Not sure whether they do that or not but that just seems wise.

Gaytano70

(1,234 posts)
4. What has not changed is the disrespect for the female Democratic nominee by the "press."
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:18 PM
Sep 2024

WHY so they use his last name and her first name?

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
7. Because Harris is such a presidential name
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:38 PM
Sep 2024

Gee, you'd almost think that they don't want her to win.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
33. That's how most people here call her
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 06:50 PM
Sep 2024

However, regarding Margaret Thatcher, most people called her by her last name . Pelosi is another example.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
35. You can buy merch labeled Kamala at her campaign website
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 06:56 PM
Sep 2024

She seems to be comfortable either way

Gaytano70

(1,234 posts)
36. Give me a break
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 08:15 AM
Sep 2024

And stop ignoring context. False equivalency. The title of an article that is not a merchandise store. I call VP Harris Kamala with my friends, but talking is not writing. An article that names both candidates must show objectivity and balance. Stating just the first name is a diminutive when the other is presented as their last name.
Oh, and N.T

Walleye

(44,805 posts)
5. I think it actually will take something close to a miracle to elect a woman to be president in this country
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:26 PM
Sep 2024

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
6. I disagree with their statement about when Texas became red
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:38 PM
Sep 2024


Governors of Texas
Rick Perry Republican December 21, 2000 - January 20, 2015
George W. Bush 2 Republican January 17, 1995 - December 21, 2000
Ann W. Richards Democrat January 15, 1991 - January 17, 1995
Mark W. White, Jr. Democrat January 18, 1983 - January 20, 1987


During Ann Richards last campaign Karl Rove started his whisper campaign that Ann was gay. That was the last time a Democrat has been elected to the governorship.



griffi94

(3,830 posts)
10. To be fair
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:55 PM
Sep 2024

Richards wouldn't have won if Clayton Williams hadn't made a rape joke in front of some reporters.
She was trailing by a significant amount until that incident.
She ended up winning by a couple of points but with less than 50% of the vote.

It probably helps Kamala that Trump and Vance have attitudes toward women that Clayton Williams had.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
15. I think people forget that. Richards needed a prayer to win her election and she got it.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:17 PM
Sep 2024

And she was out in four years.

She won by 2.6 points in 1990 against a guy, as you said, who joked about rape. Williams was a terrible candidate. He also refused to shake Richards' hand after their debate, which didn't help.

Still...he barely lost.

Texas was shifting further and further red even before Rove.

Cirsium

(3,943 posts)
8. Poll nonsense
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 01:45 PM
Sep 2024

Then:

"...Florida, which Trump carried comfortably by 4 points in 2020..."

Now:

"The poll suggests Trump is only narrowly ahead in his home state of Florida at 50 percent with Harris at 45 percent."

Is a 5% margin comfortable or is it narrow?

carpetbagger

(5,484 posts)
32. Agreed. The article makes a point beyond the data.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 06:35 PM
Sep 2024

Similarly in Texas. Trump won by 5.6 percent and is ahead 5 percent in a poll. And the article was sloppy enough to forget that the EV numbers were different, unimportant but reinforces the sloppiness.

MyMission

(2,010 posts)
11. Abortion and women's health issues
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 02:36 PM
Sep 2024

Are important issues and will motivate many women, and many men who love and care about them. Florida and Texas are 2 large states, which means larger female friendly populations who will vote blue. Both states were not landslides for tfg, but were fairly close within several percentage points. I think it's possible to gain one or both, with Florida more likely.

et tu

(2,387 posts)
19. i'll raise you a 3
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:29 PM
Sep 2024

legged dog that florida goes blue-
roevember is coming and a lot of snowbirds
from the north have migrated there.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
16. I don't see a shift of one point worth the headline.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:20 PM
Sep 2024
The race for the White House is tightening up in two states previously thought to be solidly Republican.

Latest polls suggest the southern states of Texas and Florida, which Trump carried comfortably by 5 points and 4 points respectively in 2020, are now far closer than at any time in the race.

Now in two states that were never considered swing states or toss-ups, things could be about to change with latest surveys from Emerson College suggesting Harris is now within the margin of error (about 3 points) in the two states.

LostOne4Ever

(9,752 posts)
18. Texas has been a conservative rightwing state since 1845
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:27 PM
Sep 2024

I was born and raised here and I can confidently say that has not changed and will not change in my lifetime.

Florida used to be a swing state so I could see it becoming one again.

 

PennRalphie

(448 posts)
20. She has to win PA
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:30 PM
Sep 2024

She has to be crystal clear on fracking.

If she’s crystal clear, PA goes to her and the election is hers.

I have confidence she’s going to say and do the right thing. No ambiguity on fracking. It’s either a yes or a no.

PA voting is different this year. All of those ballots aren’t being sent out automatically.

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
21. We didn't expect to win Georgia and Arizona last time
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:33 PM
Sep 2024

but here we are. And many didn't expect Obama to win as many new states as he did in 2008. High turnout is good for our side. Lots of new people are voting.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
23. I won't be surprised at a squeaker Harris victory in either or both
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:51 PM
Sep 2024

and not just because TFG stepped in a big pile of doodoo with his crowing about getting Roe overturned, it's because both states have autocratic asshole governors who have overstepped their bounds and a lot of people are sick of it.

Any Harris victory will likely be so close as to trigger an automatic recount, and recounts always seem to favor Democrats, and that will trigger TFG to start screeching about how rigged everything is, not sure if either Abbott or DeSatan will agree to another farce of a bunch of tech bros coming in like they know anything about elections and do a slow and theatricl recount, which will again favor Democrats. Expect high drama if Harris wins either state.

I want the Orange Tick to know it's all over but the prison term.

ananda

(35,144 posts)
24. This is why Paxton is using intimidation and lawsuits to suppress the vote.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 03:52 PM
Sep 2024

Of course, Garland and the DOJ are doing nothing about this.

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
28. Mutually supporting Senate & presidential coattails raise turnout
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 04:18 PM
Sep 2024

We might have a shot in FL, but TX cheats so well it would be hard to believe

Persondem

(2,101 posts)
37. And both states have senate races that could decide control of the Senate.
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 09:25 AM
Sep 2024

If Harris/Walz have resources to fund down ballot races (as reported) then they can DO SOMETHING to move the needle even more in TX and FL.

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