"Concepts"

[H2O Man]

September 10; 4:24 am/est

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
George Orwell; Animal Farm

Last night, we watched VP Harris destroy the felon in amazing fashion. I expected her to win the debate, doing damage to the felon. But I was happily surprised at just how well she did. In my opinion, her performance was flawless, with her clearly winning every minute of the debate. It was the best showing I have ever seen in a debate.

Three people have contacted me afterwords, and compared it to a boxing match. (This may be due to my comparing everything to boxing.) I said that in boxing, you want to know the opponent's every tactic before the fight, so that you can anticipate their every move in the ring. Once mastered, say something to make the opponent furious. From then on, you force the opponent to make the moves you want them to.

Is that not exactly what Harris did tonight? She was already spanking him before saying that people get bored and leave his rallies early. Already stung and out of confidence, that comment changed the pace. The felon became furious, and his behavior thereafter was, well, weird. Simply put, VP Harris delivered by kicking the felon's ass better than anyone has thus far. This included the expressions on her face as he bellered desperation. It was the prosecutor versus the felon.

As I watched, I was interested in how foul the defendent appeared. He looked like a bloated, old swine from a land before time. His eyes in particular were like the demon swine's eyes in the cheesy horror movies I saw as a youth. Pits of evil.

The felon picked up no new support last night, while VP Harris didn't lose a single vote. More, the felon likely lost support among non-maga republicans and independents, while VP Harris definitely gained support among independents.

[malaise]

1. A beautiful OP

That What’s my name was delivered by an Afro- Indian woman made it all the more enjoyable. .

For the record, last night (September 10 ) was 58 years to the day when Ali beat the European champ Karl Mildenberger. The Ref stopped that one.

[H2O Man]

2. Right!

I remember watching that fight on an afternoon ABC Wide World of Sports. Karl was the first southpaw to challenge for the heavyweight title, and it took The Champ a few rounds to get his timing. Dundee was scolding him in between rounds for circling to his left. But Ali had such an amazing ability to judge distance that he stopped Karl. (I was friends with Karl on FB for years.)

Had there been a referee last night, he/she would have surely stopped the fight when the old man was sputtering about dining on cats and dogs.

[malaise]

4. I knew you would remember

I watched that years after the live event

[H2O Man]

6. The Champ

was proving to be a true "world champion" in that European tour. Because of the social-political tensions in the US, including Ali's stance on the draft, promoters were hesitant to put on Ali's fights. Thus, a fight in Canada, two in England, and this one in Germany. No heavyweight in history could have hung with Ali at that time.

Karl was a tough top contender going into the fight. Like a number of Ali's opponents, his career never recovered. He would not win another fight against a top ten contender. This, despite the fact that Ali did not want to hurt him in the fight. By the end, Ali could have inflicted serious damage, but he wouldn't do that. So despite Karl's career ending, he enjoyed a very good life before dying about six years ago.

I'm going to speculate that you know I get excited talking about Ali! Works every time!

[malaise]

8. So do my brother and I

Love your boxing analogies😀

[H2O Man]

14. In a sense,

it reminded me of when the young heavyweight champion Joe Louis defended his title against former champion Max Schmeling at Yankee Stadium in 1938. The US wasn't involved directly in WW2 yet, but tensions were high. Joe, looking to avenge his only loss, carried the weight of being only the second black heavyweight champion, and Schmeling for being associated (incorrectly) with nazi Germany. There was a lot riding on that fight, and the world was watching.

The great Joe Louis came out fast, and battered his helpless opponent against the ropes. When he landed a hard right hand to the body, people could hear Schmeling scream. That punch actually fractured his spine. You can see on the film his legs didn't coordinate after that punch ended the fight.

Last night, we were all treated to ringside seats, where we heard the felon screaming. Pure pleasure.

[malaise]

16. Sport has long been an important institution for and of change

The brown bomber was a hero in the Caribbean.

By the way it was West Indians who took Ali to a test cricket match in England.

Ali and the great Garfield Sobers at Lords 1966
https://www.facebook.com/englandcricket/posts/these-images-of-muhammad-ali-at-lords-in-1966-are-being-shown-on-the-big-screen-/10153440837640194/

[H2O Man]

19. Definitely.

People were mourning the death of James Earl Jones this week. A few mentioned the play/ movie "The Great White Hope," when he played "Jack Jefferson," based on the great Jack Johnson. I noted that the play was released in 1967, when Ali was forced into exhile. The movie came out two weeks before Ali's return to the ring in Atlanta, against tough contender Jerry Quarry.

Ali and Jones became close friends back then.

[DENVERPOPS]

20. I have told Trumphumpers

for over 7 years, to get a copy of Animal Farm and it will give them a guideline to Trump and the RepubliCONs......

[malaise]

22. Agree

Rec.

[DENVERPOPS]

23. I have told Trumphumpers

for over 7 years, to get a copy of Animal Farm and it will give them a guideline to Trump and the RepubliCONs......

[Solomon]

35. Lol. I was hollering "stop the fight" after the first round.

And I was smirking thinking "what's my name!"

A friend of mine texted me saying "Leonard-Duran 2".

[H2O Man]

37. I though of the

fight against Terrell. The Champ was intent upon punishing Ernie that night. He took Terrell's jab away from him in the first two rounds, and Ernie started squaring up defensively for the rest of the fight. I don't think anyone could have hung with that version of Ali.

I remember after Leonard vs Duran 2, my late brother showing me an article with an interview with Duran's trainer Ray Arcel. He noted that Duran was not only furious with Sugar Ray's mocking him, but Ray's body shots made Roberto afraid he was going to shit in his trunks. Literally. Hence, "no mas."

While there have been no reports on the state of the felon's diaper after the debate, I think both of these fights fit like and Everlast glove.

[ananda]

3. Great analogy!

And that analysis of how the debate went
was spot on!

Thank you

[H2O Man]

5. Thank you!

I was so impressed by VP Harris that I've barely slept.

Republicans know that the felon is a ball & chain on down ballot candidates. I think we should all thank VP Harris for that. It's really significant.

[jaxexpat]

15. Infinitely important. Kamala smote Trump in such a way that many, maybe enough, will vote against him with venom.

Maybe even the kind of transformative emotion which transfers down onto the head of down ballot MAGA candidates. Such a passionate force will, to some extent, fall into the electorate deeply enough that just the word "Republican" beside the candidate's name could serve up a suitable target for righteous retribution.

[H2O Man]

17. Exactly!

That is one of the best things about the debate!

Last night, my cousin said it would be hard for any republican to say the felon won with a straight face. I said that, having crooked faces, they would seek to blame the moderators. And sure enough, they did. I was cracking up laughing.

In boxing, the only one who has to make excuses after the fight is the loser. They know the felon lost. It's pitiful they are forced to pretend it was anyone but VP Harris that kicked the felon's ass. And they know it damaged the republicans down ticket.

[blogslug]

7. You're right. She baited him and it was glorious.

And she kept on baiting him and the moderators even started baiting him and it was just so satisfying to watch him look angry, old and unable to control the situation.

[H2O Man]

11. I just loved

watching VP Harris's face when the felon was flailing. That might be the high point of any debate I have ever watched.

[malaise]

18. Seriously

Her facial delivery was flawless.
She whipped him with a grin on her face

[H2O Man]

21. The grin

was beautiful. Equally good was when she made the "I can't believe you are saying that" expression.

[Justice matters.]

9. Eight years of not doing any homework and he comes up with the non-existing

"concepts" in the Project 2025 traitorous plan (the only "concept" in there is the abolition of the ACA).

[H2O Man]

12. "Concepts"

I do not drink alcohol, but my cousin does. It only takes a few to get him relaxed. He kept calling me last night, well into the morning hours. When I answered, he said, "Concepts. We have concepts." I think that will go down in the history books of president debate humor.

Also, the reference to Poland marked the third time that has been an issue in a presidential debate. Ford flubbed it, W reminded us to not forget Poland, and VP Harris smashed the felon over the head with it.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. Well Stated

Superbly written.

[H2O Man]

13. Thank you!

Very much appreciated!

What a night! It couldn't have been any better.

[WA-03 Democrat]

24. "Weak"

I thought that was a great blow to the small man's ego. He can give it but he cannot take it. He can be baited with a tweet as a great person once said. More bait please!

[H2O Man]

39. Absolutely!

You hit the nail on the head. It must upset the felonious swine that not only are most people saying he lost last night, but people are laughing at him.

[wnylib]

50. And the debate clearly showed that anyone who could be

so easily baited is not fit to run the country or represent us internationally. Too unstable and definitely not a genius.

His defense of his tariff plan showed that he is not a financial genius, either. Amazing that someone who went to Wharton does not even understand something as basic as a tariff. I learned what a tariff is in my 9th grade civics class.

[Codifer]

25. Another comparison.

Same goal, same thought process.... and the same resultant impotence.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/lasker---thomas-london-1912

[H2O Man]

27. Very good!

I love chess, though I was much more successful in the ring. I grew up hearing the saying that street fighting was checkers, and boxing was chess.

[livetohike]

26. Wasn't the debate glorious? Love your quote from

Orwell. The video of this debate will be used in classrooms for years. She was masterful. Despite Trump’s nonsense and personal insults, VP Harris did not take the bait. However, she lured him like a fly fisher. Too bad she had to catch and release 😄.

[H2O Man]

28. It was delightful!

I was fully confident that VP Harris would win, and convincingly. But I admit I was surprised at how well she did. Not a single error, or any example where a sane person could possibly think the felon made a strong point -- much less a better point than her. It was a shut-out.

[lastlib]

33. I told somebody this morning that she gutted and filleted him like a perch.....

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cleaned off the scales and deep-fried him. But who wants to eat a deep-fried turd?

[livetohike]

38. Good one! n/t

[H2O Man]

40. Ha!

Very good!

[Klarkashton]

29. This was the first time that anyone has had the

Access and willingness to directly lay a glove on trump. Biden was always too reserved.
He folded like a paper sack. Concepts for health care says it all.

[H2O Man]

41. Right.

I think she landed every jab she threw in his direction. And none of them seemed forced. They flowed.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

30. The blood is in the water now. The true flailing will now commence

The reports are encouraging. I may actually watch the debate with my mute ready. I want to see him crushed, driven before her and hear the lamentations of the Punditocracy.

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[H2O Man]

42. I'm getting ready

to watch it for the third time.

Republicans running down-ticket are in an uncomfortable space. Should they pretend they think the felon won the debate? Or make a move to separate from him? Both, of course, are losing strategies.

[Martin Eden]

31. Kamala really spanked the Felon, but IMO her performance wasn't flawless

In the very first question she had a great opportunity to extoll the economic achievements of the Biden/Harris administration, citing facts to bolster they exceeded all expectations. Even Fox News had to admit at one point the economy was doing well. She could have pointed out that post pandemic inflation was global, with the US doing better than other Western economies. Also that inflation is coming down, and this Democratic administration is going after price gougers.

The speech Kamala gave was excellent but didn't really answer the question that was asked, and she gave the appearance of distancing herself from President Biden's record.

Had VP Harris established their strong economic record from the start, the extremely false economic narrative repeatedly spewed by her opponent would have gained less traction with low information voters who might still be on the fence.

I would also liked to have seen Kamala do more to dispell the constantly repeatedly lies that countries south of our border are sending millions of people from their prisons and insane asylums who are causing crimes in the US to skyrocket "like nothing we've ever seen before."

I know it's impossible and not a good strategy to try to contend with every lie in a gish gallop, but that one is his biggest and perhaps most effective attack. It wouldn't take long to cite the actual number of undocumented immigrants but also thr fact that they are an integral part of our economy and they commit fewer crimes per capita than native born Americans.

[H2O Man]

43. I agree with you

that there were opportunities for VP Harris to get more facts in. I did think that in answering the first question, she seemed to have to make an effort to be relaxed. I think that is normal, even good, under the circumstances.

Though she might have hit on other points, I think her responses were strong. There were, of course, time limits that limited the ability to fully discuss those issues.

[Martin Eden]

49. Time Limits

When all was SAID and done, the Felon was given more time as the moderators acquiesced to his insistence to respond.

They need to keep a strict clock to ensure both have equal time.

Of course, as the "debate" progressed, the Felon spent more and more of his time chasing the bait Kamala dangled in front of him.

His giant but fragile ego makes him easy to manipulate -- including by foreign leaders like Putin, through flattery.

[Upthevibe]

32. H2O Man...........

Excellent post...
Thank you....

[H2O Man]

44. Thanks!

I've never seen any politician do better in a debate. I can't think of anyone who did that well.

[MMBeilis]

34. "The demon swine's eyes...." My goodness, H2O, you wax poetic today. Nice.

[H2O Man]

46. Thank you!

I've always been focused on people's eyes. Back long ago, when I boxed, the stare-down provided an accurate measure of the opponent's confidence. Then, when I worked in mental health, with forensic cases there were some fools who thought they could stare me down. Not happening.

Since he entered politics in 2015, I've studied the felonious swine's eyes. He always appeared evil to me (speaking in a psychological context, not religious, though that likely fits, too). As he has aged, and his abilities to communicate are reduced -- the number of words in his vocabulary are far less than in 2015 -- the inner rage he experiences reflects his true essence. I'll add that while he has never respected women as anything more than objects, he is furious when a non-white woman has power over him.

[MMBeilis]

51. What's the expression, "The eyes are the portal to the soul"? And a black and hateful soul it is. Your point....

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.....about a non-white women is also spot on. When your normal state is rage, that must like gasoline on his usual fire.

[dalton99a]

36. Kick

[H2O Man]

47. Thank you!

[Hekate]

45. KnR

[H2O Man]

48. Thanks!

[Saoirse9]

52. masterful debate performance

I don't think debates move the needle for any candidate one way or another. My new best friend Allan Lichtman said as much after the trump Biden debate. I mean Biden could have won the election, sure. Lichtman definitely felt he could.

But Kamala's youth and energy is giving all of us hope and enthusiasm which we desperately needed. And even if the debate doesn't move the needle in the election, all of us who watched feel pretty great about our candidate. She is a joy to watch.

I'm gratified that we have a win. And my esteem for Kamala has only grown after watching her.

I think she's smart as a whip, prepared, and FUN. She exudes joy.

I loved her in the runup to the 2020 election but it was clear back then, that Biden had the votes. I was sad to see her go but I have come to genuinely love Joe Biden. I think I can find room in my heart for Kamala too.

It feels really good to write all of the above. Kamala makes me feel good.

[H2O Man]

53. Back in early 2020,

I wanted Harris for our candidate, because I thought she would be the most capable of destroying the felon in debate. The normal "concepts" for debating do not apply when he is the opposition. This was made clear in the 2016 republican primary debates, when he kicked the stuffing out of the numerous politicians in the contest. Biden beat him on stage in 2020, but I think a big part of that was when he told the felonious swine to shut up. Harris prosecuted him last night. It was a thing of beauty.

I expect her to get a bump from the debate, but not a large one. Debating, of course, is not part of serving as president. It is almost as if they held foul shooting contests on a basketball court.

[Hekate]

54. Came back to reread, & to share paragraph 3 w/ hubby & the friend we're staying w/ ...

That observation is brilliant. I wonder who advised her or did she think this out for herself, because it exactly suits how to handle the demented dotard.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I had to leave the room more than once, because his bellowing always acts on me as a threat of violence. I really counted on the post-game analysis, and they surely came through — as did you.

[H2O Man]

57. I will speculate

that VP Harris was using a modified version of the Reid technique, from her days as a prosecutor. We see versions of this in both police interrogations and DA's examining suspects on the stand in court during trials. It includes starting out friendly -- like crossing the stage to greet the felon's hand, and then manipulating their adrenaline by spiking it, letting it drop, and spiking it again. Over and over, until the suspect tires and says stupid things. (I know, I know -- the felon always says stupid things.)

I will note that studies have connected the Reid technique to false confessions. This is particularly a risk when police question a young person. Give me three hours, and I could get most teenaged boys to confess to killing JFK in Dallas, decades before their parents were born. However, in both political debates and boxing, there are no innocent suspects.

[Hekate]

61. Thank you. It's been amazing.

[malaise]

55. Just for you

https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-113264526,imgsize-100532,width-400,resizemode-4/113264526.jpg

From The Times of India

[H2O Man]

58. I love it!

Thank you!

[malaise]

60. I knew you would

😀

[Blue Owl]

56. K&R

[H2O Man]

59. Thanks!