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bluescribbler

(2,536 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:21 PM Sep 2024

One thing bothered me in last night's debate.

The mods referred to tsf as, "the President", or "Mr. President". He is not the President. He was afforded more respect than he deserves.

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One thing bothered me in last night's debate. (Original Post) bluescribbler Sep 2024 OP
Yes, I wondered about that, too BoRaGard Sep 2024 #1
I suspect it is merely traditional. If they were speaking to Obama, they would likely call him Mr. President. Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #2
Bad habit of the media... Wounded Bear Sep 2024 #3
I think President Trump is OK but not necessary. Mr. President is definitely not. There's only one. Walleye Sep 2024 #4
That respectful Traildogbob Sep 2024 #5
Exactly. Who the hell do they think Cha Sep 2024 #15
He's a ... ffff-former president Metaphorical Sep 2024 #6
From Emily Post: LauraInLA Sep 2024 #7
Former high office holders retain their title when addressed directly bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #8
I totally agree, that person is not the president TommieMommy Sep 2024 #9
His official title is Sir Loserman milestogo Sep 2024 #10
okay, so I wasn't the only one GopherGal Sep 2024 #11
Ain't much to criticize mods on if we are dinging them for saying President Obama, President Clinton, SOS Clinton, etc. Silent Type Sep 2024 #12
I know... I just read a blurb by Cha Sep 2024 #13
I think it would depend on the former president... CCExile Sep 2024 #14
I didn't like that either. And right out of the gate on the 1st question Muir said, StarryNite Sep 2024 #16
Probably part of the negotiation over the debate. S/V Loner Sep 2024 #17
He is allowed to be called that, just as Hillary is called Secretary Clinton obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #18
Mr. President, more speaking time... lame54 Sep 2024 #19
Absolutely bothered me. They kept it up until Kamala Harris kept using it. I think everyone calling him ... marble falls Sep 2024 #20
Yes, they were in full ass kissing mode last night. jalan48 Sep 2024 #21

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
1. Yes, I wondered about that, too
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:23 PM
Sep 2024

Is there some protocol? He is the ex - the loser.

Could just call him by that, Mr. Loser (R)

Lonestarblue

(13,524 posts)
2. I suspect it is merely traditional. If they were speaking to Obama, they would likely call him Mr. President.
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:25 PM
Sep 2024

Wounded Bear

(64,442 posts)
3. Bad habit of the media...
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:25 PM
Sep 2024

They refer to former politicians and officers by the last title or rank they held before leaving office.

Most of the time, I'm good with it. Call a retired general "General." Call a former Senator "Senator."

In trump's case, it grates on my nerves, too.

Walleye

(45,095 posts)
4. I think President Trump is OK but not necessary. Mr. President is definitely not. There's only one.
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:25 PM
Sep 2024

Traildogbob

(13,075 posts)
5. That respectful
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:27 PM
Sep 2024

Title should never be attached to an insurrectionist ass hole traitor. Period.

Cha

(319,609 posts)
15. Exactly. Who the hell do they think
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:44 PM
Sep 2024

they're kidding like the Fraud, Felon, Rapist, Insurrectionist Never happened..

Metaphorical

(2,654 posts)
6. He's a ... ffff-former president
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:27 PM
Sep 2024

I think that moment in the debate laid to rest ANY question there. Afterwards, I noticed that the moderators began demoting him to former president and even Mr. Trump at one point.

Technically, yes, he should be referred to as President Trump when addressed formally - this is a common courtesy to all past presidents, even ones as generally bad as Trump.

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
7. From Emily Post:
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:28 PM
Sep 2024

Formally Addressing the Former President
When addressing a former President of the United States in a formal setting, the correct form is “Mr. LastName.” (“President LastName” or “Mr. President” are terms reserved for the current head of state.) This is true for other ex-officials, as well. When talking about the person to a third party, on the other hand, it’s appropriate to say, “former President LastName.” This holds for introductions, as well: A current state governor is introduced as “Governor Tom Smith,” while you’d introduce an ex-governor as “former Governor Jim Bell.”

Informally Addressing the Former President
Now, let’s look a little closer. In an informal setting (such as a private lunch), it’s acceptable to use the title the ex-official held. Here, you could refer to former President Jimmy Carter as either “President Carter” or “Mr. Carter.” In reality, many people ignore this convention and refer to former Presidents as "President Last Name" when they are in settings where nearly everyone would afford them the honor of the title. Technically, this is still incorrect but there are enough former Presidents allowing this that it has become a somewhat common mistake.

https://emilypost.com/advice/addressing-a-former-president-of-the-united-states

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I don’t love it. But if they’d said, “Former President Trump,” every time they addressed him in the debate, it would have taken up even more time. And I think the form is changing over time — I hear, “President Obama,” often.

bucolic_frolic

(55,437 posts)
8. Former high office holders retain their title when addressed directly
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:32 PM
Sep 2024

Mr. Ambassador, Madame Secretary

In the third person they are referred to as former, to avoid confusion with current incumbents

GopherGal

(2,927 posts)
11. okay, so I wasn't the only one
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:39 PM
Sep 2024

yelling (well, loudly thinking) "FORMER President Trump! By God, if you don't know who the current president is, how in the hell do you get the job moderating this debate?"

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
12. Ain't much to criticize mods on if we are dinging them for saying President Obama, President Clinton, SOS Clinton, etc.
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:39 PM
Sep 2024

trump a POS, but why make it that obvious. Mods let him talk, and he hanged himself.

Cha

(319,609 posts)
13. I know... I just read a blurb by
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:39 PM
Sep 2024

David Muir that called him "President"... I said he's Not president.

CCExile

(524 posts)
14. I think it would depend on the former president...
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:41 PM
Sep 2024

"Fuck Face Trump" would be appropriate in all situations.

StarryNite

(12,148 posts)
16. I didn't like that either. And right out of the gate on the 1st question Muir said,
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 04:44 PM
Sep 2024

"Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago". Heaven forbid if President Biden slips up on names though.

lame54

(39,894 posts)
19. Mr. President, more speaking time...
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 05:26 PM
Sep 2024

Yet their side is pissed about the blue background
It was rigged

marble falls

(72,173 posts)
20. Absolutely bothered me. They kept it up until Kamala Harris kept using it. I think everyone calling him ...
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 11:39 PM
Sep 2024

... President is partially to blame for some degree of support he has - Q keeps saying he's the real President and Biden is a stand in.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
21. Yes, they were in full ass kissing mode last night.
Wed Sep 11, 2024, 11:47 PM
Sep 2024

After he steamrolled them and spoke over his allotted time,they responded with, "Thank you President Trump".

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