The United States is experiencing a surge in crime caused by immigrants.

[tecelote]

Whenever this talking point comes up, I wish the response was simple...

If that were true, why is it that the violent crime rate is down under Biden?
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/violent-crime-falling-nationwide-heres-how-we-know

And, numerous studies show that immigration is not linked to higher levels of crime.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave

Call out the lies!

[bullimiami]

1. Asshole talking points can't be countered with facts.

[tecelote]

2. Kamala kicked Trump's ass with facts at the debate.

Facts matter.

[malaise]

6. Rattner had some great charts on this

The question is how to simplify them for folks who don’t pay close attention.

[tecelote]

7. Agreed.

Easy-to-understand charts are much better than words!

[Mr.Bee]

22. The United States is experiencing a surge in crime

caused by MAGA publicans

[Think. Again.]

3. It's easier to just ask "do you think it's wise to lie about important issues?"

By directly calling the person who spreads the bad information a liar themself, even if they believe the bad information, it will make it a personal hit for them when they find out the truth, and they will be more hesitant to spread info that they haven't verified first. They won't be able to use the excuse that they "saw it on the tv!" or whatever because that won't matter, THEY are no longer a trustworthy person. They will learn they are actually responsible for what they say.

If we can't always stop the sources of misinformation, at least we can try to slow the spread of it by demanding everyone take personal responsibility for what they spread.

[2naSalit]

4. Always demand proof...

Which means evidence, of what they claim!

[snowybirdie]

5. Your headline

Is a Republican talking point. Do we really need to see it?

[Dock_Yard]

19. I agree 100%, poor choice for a headliner!!

[ecstatic]

8. The bottom line is, why did tRump block the bill?

No Democrat should allow any further discussion without that point being addressed. If everything republicans say is true, the bill should have been passed. Period.

Blocking the bill to help his own campaign tells people everything they need to know. trump either doesn't believe the hype about the dangers at the border, or he believes it but doesn't give a shit.

[IronLionZion]

9. Plenty of data showing immigrants committing lower rate of violent crime than US born

it's just pure racism

[Dock_Yard]

25. Green card'ers AND undocumenteds are BOTH lower crime rates than native-born'ers

Steve Rattner's economic presentation on Morning Joe (MSNBC) Thursday 9/12 showed this graphically.
It shows trends over at least the last 10 years.
And clearly shows how crime went up in ALL TSF's years and DID NOT recede in any year.
Then when Biden took over, the numbers started dropping year to year.




Any MAGA with IQ above 80 should be able to follow this excellent talk.


Problem is, are there any MAGA's with IQs above 80??

[IronLionZion]

30. Yup, found the clip

that's where I saw it

&t=300s

[enigmania]

10. Since the founding,

the only rise in crime has been crime against immigrants.

[SocialDemocrat61]

11. To be fair, an immigrant is committing a lot of crimes

[Mr.Bee]

20. You really got to start watching out for the ones with the BEADY LITTLE EYES!

[area51]

23. And don't forget immigrant Rupert Murdoch, too. n/t

[Jerry2144]

12. This claim does not make

People move to another country for a better life. That they probably want to stay there. Why would they commit crimes and risk getting tossed out of the place they want to be? Immigrants more likely commit fewer crimes than natives.

[NoMoreRepugs]

13. Only way to counter this is for the MSM to call out the LIE and then reporting the TRUTH.

[markbark]

14. The United States is experiencing a surge in crime caused by immigrants.

....and the main culprits are Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Rupert Murdoch

[Dock_Yard]

31. Just thought I'd praise your post before someone thinks it is MAGA-esque :)

[paleotn]

15. Common sense....

If you're undocumented and here to work, as the vast majority are here to do, I doubt you'll draw additional attention to yourself for obvious reasons. These people aren't stupid. If a few are here for nefarious purposes, they're but a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket of native born Americans with the same nefarious purposes. So what? What few there are ain't moving the crime needle. In fact, as you pointed out, overall crime has declined since Donny's watch. Safe to say, they're here to do the shit work natives won't do. They keep our society functioning and the payoff for them is a better life for their children and grandchildren. What's more American than that?

In an interview a few days ago, Stephen Miller was hyperventilating about "gangs of illegals taking over Aurora, CO." Complete bullshit. Reminds me of the meme that Portland, OR was "burned to the ground" by protestors, apparently multiple times, yet, it's still there unscathed. How'd that happen? The illegals in question are a drop in the bucket compared to gangs of natives running around with firearms, causing trouble. Get a grip, Miller. And while you're at it, take your nazi ass back to where YOU'RE "icky" people came from, Belarus.

Following Miller's and other nativist's logic.......My people, every ancestral line, is pre-revolution. Every one. An anomaly for many Southerners of a certain age and older like me (born pre-Sun Belt), since the South was barely affected by the waves of 19th and early 20th century immigration. Easy to understand why. Nevertheless, my people helped build this goddamn country from a few coast hugging colonies. It's ours. And if I say the Guatemalans can stay, then goddamn it, they can stay. YOU, on the other hand, need to get your icky ass the fuck out.

[travelingthrulife]

16. Yes, we should have deported Rupert Murdoch and Musk long ago.

n/t

[Mr.Bee]

21. FoxNews is the root of all evil

The Brainwashing Of My Dad
Jen Senko

[Persondem]

17. I just used one of your links in a FB discussion. Thank you!! nt

[Sky Jewels]

24. Yes, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk and Rupert Murdoch are a big problem.

[John1956PA]

27. I clicked the OP hoping to find a post like yours! n/t

[AncientOfDays]

26. Well, doncha know ...

brennancenter.org is a "liebral propaganda site"? That's what the diehards will claim.

[Ocelot II]

28. You can't defeat assholes by presenting them with facts.

What you can do is ask them why they believe this to be true.

[Dave Bowman]

29. Drumpf's grandpa should have stayed in Germany, dammit.

[Bolo Boffin]

32. Make no mistake: Springfield, OH right now is a teaser for Trump's mass deportation policy

Demonizing immigrants with blood libels, bomb threats, evacuating elementary schools...

All of this is coming to your town if Trump gets back into office.