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“Woman who first spread Springfield rumor regrets it.”
“I deleted the post. I was wrong. I messed up royally. I never meant to cause so much hate.”
This woman has more courage than JD Vance. Please share this video far and wide.
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Boomerproud
(9,292 posts)Consequences.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)She didn't just "suggest" that Haitians "might" have kidnapped and eaten a cat. She posted a very graphic description out of a horror movie.
I don't know what she thought she was doing. I don't accept her apology. She needs to go further to fix this.
Aussie105
(7,920 posts)That is the legal term when you tell lies about one group and incite hate in others.
Maybe she had a Bad Day, and needed to make other people feel worse?
usonian
(25,324 posts)
Hugin
(37,848 posts)Time to put some skin in the game. Show us how sorry you are by publicly endorsing Harris/Walz.
What she is selling. She is truly sorry she got caught, make mistake she knew exactly what she was doing. She has to be held liable, as well as those who continue to spread the lies. I think they should be sued.
flying_wahini
(8,275 posts)I’m sure her neighbors would love to know who started this.
LauraInLA
(2,248 posts)
Mr.Bee
(1,823 posts)Trump inciting violence? Time to punish him to the fullest extent of the law:
It is a felony under federal law to intentionally “solicit, command, induce, or otherwise endeavor to persuade” another person to engage in a crime of violence against a person or property. 18 U.S.C. § 373. Many states have similar laws.
Lock Him Up!
progressoid
(53,179 posts)
niyad
(132,440 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2024, 11:57 AM - Edit history (1)
the horror that she helped to unleash? Is she paying to have people's cars fixed? Paying to have windows cleaned? Paying the police overtime for the bomb threats? Paying for therapy for the lives she has impacted so horribly? Is she calling on the nazis and other haters she helped to unleash to stand down? Has she personally spoken to members of the Haitian community face to face? Is she endorsing Harris-Walz?
If she is not doing any, and all, of those things, her "apology" is not courage, but covering her sorry ass for fear she will be named as an accessory, or other consequences.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)She should at least get whatever you get for yelling fire in a theater, yelling we’re crashing in an airplane or pulling a fake fire alarm.
niyad
(132,440 posts)LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)She should at least get whatever you get for yelling fire in a theater, yelling we’re crashing in an airplane or pulling a fake fire alarm.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)She has apologized and shown regret. She's a regular citizen, I assume not an experienced politician educated in the ramifications of her actions on social media, likely goaded on by Maga culture. There is a chance (I can't read her mind) that she is horrified at the results of her actions and will behave differently in the future. If a little pressure from fear of consequences to herself, I'm ok with that.
Compare this to Donald Trump and JD Vance, who claim they are qualified to run the free world. They have encouraged this kind of rumor, and are now doubling down with their larger platform. They have never admitted a mistake. They have validated and spread the rumors when they have the means and responsibility as leaders to investigate first.
Someone suggested a class action lawsuit against her. It should be aimed at Trump and Vance. Along with dozens more lawsuits for all the people living in fear from lies they have broadcast.
i agree that she should do more--probably not able to pay for damages but maybe be a spokesperson for using social media responsibly and not doing what she did, and further try to clear the reputations of the Haitians. But let's not underestimate the difficulty of publicly admitting her culpability. Who else on the Maga side of things does that? if even someone like her has a line, can reform even a little, that is progress. We need more of it.
niyad
(132,440 posts)and I thank you for pointing it out. May your view be the correct one. I am, obviously, VERY cynical, and VERY suspicious.
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)these days, when in fact I blame him for putting us on the road. But any time these otherwise despicable people who have left damage and suffering in their tracks show some sign of conscience or change, we have to embrace it. We can't hate them for coming over to our side and choosing to be part of the solution, however late. If we don't welcome them in, how do we win?
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)She is apologizing for what she did. If she goes further than that, all to the good. But taking even this one step puts her on a moral plain far above Trump and Vance and the idiots committing violence and making threats.
One question I have: What about the responsibility of Facebook? The owners there simply allow people to post and spread any kind of hateful lies?
Can anti-Semites post the blood libel?
Can the KKK make any demented accusation it wants?
If we're talking class action suit, Facebook has very deep pockets. Maybe a billion dollar settlement will force the powers that be there to be more careful about encouraging hate and terrorism.
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)They make billions and take no responsibility. In the past, publishers were responsible for what they printed. If it isn't possible to regulate Facebook, maybe it shouldn't exist. Like a product that you like until it catches on fire.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)Fox paid out three quarters of a billion for its lies about the 2020 election.
Maybe a nine or ten figure judgment against Facebook might begin to teach them a lesson, and, not incidentally, bring some relief to the Haitian community in Springfield.
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)But harder to win if you can't prove intent. I guess this would be about negligence.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)Facebook kept the post up days after its harmful effect was evident.
It was, again, the original poster who took it down, not Facebook.
If it were up to the powers that be at Facebook, for all we know it might still be there.
dickthegrouch
(4,528 posts)It's exceedingly difficult to hold shareholders financially culpable f or anything, especially in California, thanks to Gov Newsom's one decision I disagree with. He failed to hold PG&E accountable for the fires and put all the damages on the ratepayers.
IMHO Corporate shareholders should be capable of being assessed something akin to a stock broker's "Margin Call", or a Homeowner's association's "Special Assessment". The law knows how to deal with those. Shareholders are in many ways no different from those situations.
allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)become a victim, too. Hopes she works to help the Haitians who suffered due to her poor judgment.
It wouldn't have erupted into national headlines if TSF and JD hadn't gone public to further it. Even this a.m., JD is saying that his constituents were calling him -- and that's why he's talked about it.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)People post all types of crazy shit not expecting presidential candidates and the right wing media to run with it.
rainin
(3,246 posts)Dung Pants Don are 100% responsible for what is happening to this community. They've even destroyed this woman's life. They turned her lowest moment into a national tragedy. I wouldn't be surprised if she's forced out of this community. If she has children and is married, they've ruined their lives, too. I'm not suggesting that what she did wasn't terrible and mean spirited, but what is happening now is 100% on trump and vance
I'm NOT excusing her hate. I'm simply saying she isn't responsible for what's happening now. She's an ordinary citizen who said posted something vile. She deserves to be shunned by her neighbors, perhaps, or fired from her job, possibly, or forced to receive some consequence that is commensurate to her offense.
This full scale fracturing of the community is because of trump and vance. Her words alone never had this much power by themselves.
Grins
(9,459 posts)….it REMAINS A NEWS STORY and we will lose pointing out the disaster that is Trump.
delisen
(7,366 posts)People who understand the power of forgiveness will be our salvation as a society.
MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)First, you have to spend a lot of time thinking of these horrible ideas
Second, you have to speak them aloud
Third, you have to accept the consequences of your actions.
Everyone involved in spreading their hateful thoughts, words, and deeds, will face their own consequences. Especially if someone acts upon your hateful thoughts, words, and deeds, their very own god will punish their blasphemous behavior and actions!
Prairie Gates
(8,157 posts)
Lemon Lyman
(1,594 posts)
twodogsbarking
(18,785 posts)
AZLD4Candidate
(6,780 posts)without a second's thought or regret/remorse doing it.
niyad
(132,440 posts)of the Wise.
slightlv
(7,790 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,780 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)are not directly sexist, such as scum, creep, liar, etc. I am truly surprised.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,780 posts)Breathe. Relax. Stop attacking allies.
niyad
(132,440 posts)response is a doubling down on the snarky defense of those words. I am truly surprised and disappointed.
BlueSpot
(1,303 posts)You're the person attacking allies. You can see that, right?
It doesn't take much to avoid. Just try to be a little more mindful.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)erodriguez
(911 posts)She is a piece of shit coward who spread lies because she is afraid of the people who are moving into her neighborhood.
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)so he will now stir up violence.
It's his M.O. Expect more.
barbtries
(31,308 posts)isn't it time for the governor to declare an emergency and bring out the national guard? shouldn't they be calling on the FBI to identify the culprits and get them locked up?
i'd hate to think that slow walking a response to this insanity could have anything to do with the fact that the victims are black and consequently the urgency is not felt by the racist white people. but i do think that.
Attilatheblond
(8,878 posts)I will consider accepting her apology
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Like a run of the mill MAGAT.
There may be a conscience in there.
"The chaos is mounting"
Straight from the FSB playbook.
padah513
(2,710 posts)This is classic butt covering so she's not held liable for anything that may happen next. There is no conscience in there. She just made a business decision.
LisaM
(29,634 posts)They aren't all right-wingers either. Many of the memes are phony missing pets stories: the 'depressed, not chipped, not eating' one where it's always a different dog photo, the missing teen wearing camo and a Minnie Mouse backpack, the kid with autism who's wandered off from a campsite. Most are easily disproven (and of course don't catch the ear of a fool like J.D. Vance) but well-meaning people forward them because they play to some emotion.
I have a friend who constantly forwards phony memes (often about "missing" animals from ten states over) and her sister asked her once why she was doing that and my friend, who seemed honestly bewildered by the question, said "how else are people going to know?"
How we got to a place where peoples' emotions are so stirred by unproven stories is beyond me. Right here at DU not too many years ago someone posted a GoFundMe for some rigamarole about a police incident (coincidentally) in Ohio and I immediately thought, well, if that was true, it would be on the news. So I looked it up, no mention of it anywhere. The story was pretty quickly determined to be made up, and when I casually -I thought - mentioned that I wasn't surprised because I had been unable to verify it, a fellow DUer berated me for checking it.
The larger point is that these narratives play on emotions and triggers, especially when it comes to pets and children.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)You'd think my somewhat affluent and uneventful valley was under siege.
Every suspicious person caught on a driveway cam gets a once over (and by suspicious person, I mean anyone not practically wearing a name tag).
Rumors, gossip, wild speculation. Did you know there's a meth den of homeless people in the local woods?! (There is not).
I don't know what it is about bored suburbanites. It's like they've nothing else going on, so they have to pretend they're enduring under the most dire and dramatic circumstances.
Good lord in heaven, start a book club or something.
LisaM
(29,634 posts)A friend resubscribed recently and only lasted a few hours!
JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)...or she's trying to cover her butt from the lawsuits that will certainly spring from this. (My client had no idea her innocent post would be taken seriously).
There's probably some truth to that defense, but people don't post hoping no one reacts. Admittedly no one could expect a candidate for the White House to believe such an idiotic claim, but this year we're dealing with the A-Team of idiots.
As a proud member of that team she should be held responsible..
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)I don't think she expected it to snowball into this mess.
Not saying she was innocent of being racist, etc , but now that she is seeing how far it can go, it might be educational for her, sadly at the expense of the innocent.
niyad
(132,440 posts)consequnces.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)This woman may have started the lie, but Republicans saw what they thought was an opportunity to defeat Sherrod Brown using their favorite issue, immigration, so they ran with it.
Make no mistake, the GOP spreading these lies was all about trying to stir Ohio voters to vote out Sherrod Brown so Republicans can take over the Senate. That is why Republicans are picking on these LEGAL Haitian immigrants in this small town in Ohio. They want to be able to block Democratic appointments to the federal bench. They want to block majority rule. This was as cynical as it gets.
As Heather Cox Richardson summarized it:
Controlling the country through the courts was the plan behind stacking the courts with Republican nominees and weaponizing the filibuster to stop Democrats from passing legislation. In March 2024, in Slate, legal analyst Mark Joseph Stern noted that McConnell “realized you don’t need to win elections to enact Republican policy. You don’t need to change hearts and minds. You don’t need to push ballot initiatives or win over the views of the people. All you have to do is stack the courts. You only need 51 votes in the Senate to stack the courts with far-right partisan activists…[a]nd they will enact Republican policies under the guise of judicial review, policies that could never pass through the democratic process. And those policies will be bulletproof, because they will be called ‘law.’”
Arne
(3,609 posts)
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)brewens
(15,359 posts)poaching geese, I'd get pics with that smart phone as would about everyone else if they were concerned. Did that guy see the pic of the dude in Columbus carrying the goose first? I'd like to know that.
cab67
(3,749 posts)OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)paleotn
(22,218 posts)
Arne
(3,609 posts)killing big beautiful cats for fun?
paleotn
(22,218 posts)much less basic decency is still appalling. Now crawl back under your rock, racist chick.
czarjak
(13,639 posts)turbinetree
(27,551 posts)right along with that Vance character the governor of the state and the orange hair maniac........
dalton99a
(94,122 posts)
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)If you aren't sure what the post will do, don't put it up.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)So the owners allow their platform to be used to spread this sort of hate?
Why wasn't this post taken down by moderators as soon as it appeared?
Why was the poster allowed to continue to use its platform?
Why aren't the Facebook moderators, assuming they even exist, being brought before the cameras and asked to explain their "reasoning" for allowing this, in fact enabling this horror to happen?
I wish we could hold Facebook accountable for their role in what's happened. If there's a class action suit to be brought, I think Facebook with its deep pockets should absolutely be put in the docket.
Boomerproud
(9,292 posts)Zuckerberg and Co.-step right up.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)They will teach her to never apologize.
4lbs
(7,395 posts)Haitians are ummm.... black and speak mostly French (the main language of their slave masters).
They are non-white foreigners that speak 'another language'
Also, Haitians rebelled and overthrew their slave masters 200+ years ago, so that's another thing that Dumpy and Shady hate about them.
https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/haitian-revolution-1791-1804/
The Haitian Revolution has often been described as the largest and most successful slave rebellion in the Western Hemisphere. Enslaved people initiated the rebellion in 1791 and by 1803 they had succeeded in ending not just slavery but French control over the colony. The Haitian Revolution, however, was much more complex, consisting of several revolutions going on simultaneously. These revolutions were influenced by the French Revolution of 1789, which would come to represent a new concept of human rights, universal citizenship, and participation in government.
niyad
(132,440 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)Apparently Moreno has a long history of dirty deals.
It’s unfortunate we don’t have a mainstream media that considers this level of corruption for a US Senate candidate newsworthy.
Instead, everyone went down the rabbit hole of blaming immigrants for non-existent crimes and now there are actual bomb threats at schools and hospitals.
Marcuse
(9,010 posts)
Skittles
(171,716 posts)and their stupid fucking supporters, UGH!!!!!!!! 
Aussie105
(7,920 posts)The lady who did the original post.
The fake apology once caught out. Posted malicious shit, the wind changed, and she got a face full of consequences beyond her control. Now is sorry?
Social media for allowing it to be posted. And stay.
Republicans for running with it as a 'good idea'. (Got your fact checkers off on holiday?)
People who now feel justified to hate Haitians.
This sort of stuff and Republican 'leadership' running with it just shows us who they are.
It goes to the very core of their personalities and the party they represent.
I'm not usually in favor of 'cleanse it with fire, burn it all down', but it might be what is needed with a certain American political party.