Secret service needs to be fully investigated from stem to stern.

[onecaliberal]

Something smells rotten and it’s far more than 4 years worth of missing emails.

[SoFlaBro]

1. That fucking Orange Turd fucked up the organization with his fuckery.

[odins folly]

24. Lemme fix this for you

That fucking orange turd has EVERY government organization with his fuckery

[Initech]

2. It was two idiots exercising their 2A rights.

Nothing to see here, please disperse.

BTW, I'm not defending Trump. I just know what country I live in.

[pwb]

3. You think they are part of the productions?

Trump probably gives them big tips.

[onecaliberal]

5. Yes I do. Based on them hiding every detail from the first time. Covered up by the fascist media.

[BaronChocula]

20. Media was too busy

on their "Kamala has to sit down and do an interview with us to make us relevant" kick.

[Polybius]

43. Supporting conspiracies (except for in Creative Speculation) violates the TOS on DU

No kooky, extremist, or hate content
Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories. Do not promote extreme fringe views. Do not reference hate sites or other extremist/fringe sources.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[liberal N proud]

14. Not out of the realm of possibility

Where trump is involved, expect any kind of trickery

[Jilly_in_VA]

4. I've been saying this ever since

that orange bastard got into office. I think there were probably traitors there even before that, during the Obama administration...people who couldn't stand the idea of having a Black boss. But it got worse with the Slobfather.

[Kid Berwyn]

6. We'll have to get planning to look into that...

…How about just after the statute of limitations on criminal gross dereliction of duty runs out we next meet to talk?

ETA: We may want to talk to the IG, if he hasn’t left government service and it’s convenient for him.

[et tu]

27. i have a concept

for a plan....

[Mark.b2]

7. Senator Blumenthal said this past week that we will be "shocked"...

and “appalled” when more information comes to light on the Secret Service regarding Butler, PA. While it was a little annoying to me that admitting this only fuels the other side, it must be pretty bad for him to say what he did. I’m geniuinely curious.

[brewens]

9. I've been wondering how much input Trump has on who his SS team is? Is it volunteer? If they are vetted for

loyalty first, that could be the problem. I just hope they have good teams around our people.

[Mark.b2]

10. I wonder about that, too. And what if the DNC or RNC wanted to...

shell out the bucks to hire a private security team, could they?

[brewens]

11. I suppose. If they can work with local law enforcement, they can do private security I'd think. I called

bullshit on their whining about being denied extra SS for that reason. Need more security? Pay for it. You can cry about it later.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. Used to date a Secret Service agent. The agents can't choose I don't think the candidate chooses who the get.

The guy I dated was detailed to Jesse Jackson. He was pretty neutral on politics. Would not talk about Jackson at all.

[misanthrope]

26. That likely is about general incompetence

not conspiracy.

[uponit7771]

12. THIS !!! Come on, the SS should be better than this !!

[Orrex]

13. Third time's something something

[moniss]

15. So from intial reports from the SS

that I saw he was "never in any danger". OK. But now the media is breathlessly reporting the FBI calling this an assassination attempt. So either some clown fired off some rounds way far away and was not even close to the Orange Ruski or he was close enough to warrant what the FBI is calling it.

It reminds me of what went down during the GQP convention in Milwaukee. Some homeless guys got into with each other about 2 miles away from the "security zone" but the media ran with "a violent incident happened near the convention". To make matters more absurd it happened in a location where some "bicycle patrol" guys from out of state who were doing security happened to also be staging across the street in a park area. One of them apparently went over and got involved and so it became "convention security involved in quelling a violent attack".

It also reminds me that while the media breathlessly focuses on this they haven't been bothered in the least to follow up or show any ongoing concern about the pipe bombs in DC circa 1/6.

[LeftInTX]

16. He had a AK 47 with scope, go-pro and backpack hanging on the fence.

I seems like he was going to make an attempt. SS fired and he took off.

He's a nut guy with delusions of running military ops to save Ukraine

"I WILL GO TO UKRAINE TO FIGHT AND DIE" call me...

He goes on and on and on........

Then he was gonna bring Afghan troops to save Taiwan...And then something about Afghan troops and Haiti.

[moniss]

17. So based on this I don't know how close in

proximity he was to being able to do anything. The SS said "never" in any danger. I also don't know if the shots fired were just the SS or both of them. Let me just say if the SS fired at him and he ran off then maybe the SS needs some time on the range. To not even wing the guy? Why would you shoot not to hit him but just hope to scare him? Seems to me if you see a guy with an AK47 at his hand you need the shot to do more than hope to scare him away.

[LeftInTX]

19. 300-500 yards.

He was a mercenary type, so I don't know. Also obscured by bushes.

[moniss]

21. Seems weird and if he was that

close then I think the FBI statement would be more accurate and the SS would appear to have jumped the gun with their assertion of "never" any danger.

[LeftInTX]

52. Shooter was shielded by ceramic tiles in the hanging backpacks.

[Kaleva]

23. We don't know the distance, the the suspect was moving or if the SS had a handgun

When I was training, I was practicing to hit center body mass of a man sized stationary target at a range of 21 feet. That's with a handgun .

[yagotme]

60. 21 feet is spitball range.

IL DOC was at 7 yards (21ft) and 15 yards (45ft). DOC pistol competition was at 7, 15, and 25 yards. Rifle was at 50 yards, different sized targets to simulate 50, 100, and 150 yards. USMC was 200, 300, and 500 yards or meters for rifle, and out to 25 yards for pistol (IIRC). 3-500 yards to TSF (as reported so far) is "danger area" for a 7.62x39 round. Not likely to hit, but a "lucky" shot can still kill.

[Kaleva]

61. For home defense, I don't need to hit targets any further.

As it is, there's only two spots in my house where if I stood, the furthest points in the home away from me is 21 feet.

I practice point shooting where I don't use the sights as had been taught by Col. Rex Applegate.

If the baddy is outside, I won't be shooting at him as he doesn't pose an immediate threat to my life.

When I concealed carry out in public, the gun was empty. I only carried in public for the practice of being used to having it on me in case the day ever arrived that I felt it would be prudent to carry a loaded gun.

[yagotme]

62. If you KNOW that the range you will be shooting is that, that's great.

Other people have different house setups (long hallways, etc.), or carry outside/publicly. I have almost 10 yards in my house for the farthest point, but I just like to shoot farther. In case.

[Kaleva]

63. I practice knowing the range won't be beyond 20 feet

[Farmer-Rick]

18. Just another shooting in America

I mean our school kids get shot at all the time, no one seems to do anything about it. Going shopping or attending a concert could end up being a shoot out.

So, Trump using stochastic terrorism becomes a target of his own terrorism. Why should he be any different from the rest of us, especially when he supports these shooters?

He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Or in Trump's case: he who calls out crazies to shoot at others will get shot at.

[HagathaCrispy]

22. It's a set up

He set it all up to stay relevant.

[Kaleva]

25. What actual evidence do you have to support that?

You probably don't have any.

[niyad]

34. And yet, nearly every person with whom I have spoken this afternoon had that

as their first thought. As Church Lady would say, "How conveeeeeeeenient."

[Kaleva]

38. People believe what they want to believe even if facts don't support that belief

Humans aren't rational creatures.

[niyad]

40. Please notice carefully that I SPECIFICALLY said it was people's FIRST

reaction. I did NOT say it is what they believe after reading the paltry, and somewhat incoherent, unclear reports. But nice try with the insults.

[Kaleva]

44. And the reason it's their first reaction is because that's what they want to believe

A rational person would think that there wasn't enough info available yet to form an educated opinion.

[niyad]

46. Keep trying. I need the laughs.

[Irish_Dem]

42. IDK what happened, but we have considerable data that Trump is a liar, manipulator, cheater.

We know he is a ruthless narcissistic sociopath who will do anything to win.
And he loves attention.

I don't know what happened in this latest episode of the Trump Show, but
it is clinically quite reasonable to ask if Trump could be manipulating the voters before an election.

In fact, it would be foolish not to ask the question.

As you say, people are not rational and have trouble facing reality about Trump's very severe
psychopathology and what he is capable of.

[Kaleva]

45. And what is your evidence that Trump is behind this?

The only thing you have is that you want it to be true .

[Irish_Dem]

56. I am trained as a scientist and clinician.

All I am saying it is quite possible Trump will manufacture stunts to make himself look like a victim.

Perhaps if you re-read my analysis above you will understand better what I am saying.

I am not saying he did it.
I am saying he is capable of doing it.

Making false statements about my comments and twisting words is a weak argument.
It is better to stick to facts.

[Kaleva]

57. Given his well documented record and the statements of those who worked for him..

I don't think he has the ability to do such a thing.

Yes, his supporters believe that Trump is a 3D chess master who is always one step of his opposition but his actual record says otherwise.

Could you provide some evidence that would support your argument that Trump is capable of manufacturing an assassination attempt in an attempt to make himself look like a victim?

[Autumn]

36. Does one need evidence for a personal opinion?

[Kaleva]

47. If one wants to form an educated opinion, yes.

I've been lurking over at FR and they are going nuts over the allegations that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas.

Its their opinion that this is true. It's not an educated opinion though because there are no facts to support that.

[Autumn]

50. I've seen a lot of opinions but very few educated opinions and I have seen no proof of

an assassination attempt. Neither have I seen any proof that it was a set up. Those idiots are going nuts over the allegations that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas because Trump told them that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas. They trust their president so what he says is indeed a fact. To them. It all depends on where you get your facts.

I'm still waiting for the release of the investigation when trump's ear was "shot" during the last assassination attempt. I'm sure we will be waiting a long fucking time to see anything from either investigation.

[Kaleva]

54. IMO, there's not enough info released yet to form an educated opinion

[Kaleva]

55. The first post about this at FR was on 9/8

And the source was an article published by The Gateway Pundit, a RW rag, which was based on a Facebook post. No mention of Trump. It was just about what the lady claimed in her Facebook post. A post that the lady later apologized for making.

The Freepers were already wild about this before Trump brought it up . And as far as I can tell, Vance first mentioned it on the 9th.

[Autumn]

59. i wouldn't know. I don't go there. I have no need to see what is in their minds. They support Trump

and that's more than enough to know I'm not interested in their thoughts. Yes I saw that about the woman on TikTok yesterday. It doesn't matter if it hit on the 9th. The fact is many of us heard about it from Trump. At the debate.

[et tu]

30. rw's are calling the

disturbed out of the woodwork- what else is to be expected???

[Kaleva]

49. And those disturbed people have easy access to guns.

[et tu]

58. sadly yes nt

[orthoclad]

31. They'll just wipe the records

and no-one will do anything about it.

[Warpy]

33. It might be as simple as an erronieous conviction

that all the violent, bad actors are on TFG's side of things. While I think that was true 4 years ago, he's had ample opportunity to grift his followers to the max, promising riches and no taxes and whatever else they want to hear, while stealing the money to pay for his lawyers to keep him out of prison. Some of them are likely not taking that kindly.

This new guy was taken alive, so it will be interesting to hear what he says about why he was trespassing on TFG;s golf course and how he evaded the alligators to get there.

[Autumn]

35. I think they should switch out his SS team. Often.

[tishaLA]

37. Carol Leonnig's book "Zero Fail"

Paints an absolutely brutal portrait of the Secret Service. Well worth a read.

[niyad]

41. I did. Jaw-dropping, to say the least.

[uponit7771]

51. Are they just sloppy or complacent? thx in advance

[JI7]

39. Can they bring the Secret Service under the Treasury Dept ?

[niyad]

48. You mean where it used to be before homeland security?

[JI7]

53. Yes, After the problems during Obama's times time in office

I remember reading or watching someone discuss reforms for improvement and one of them was to bring it back under treasury.