Wouldn't you think, after two "attempted assasinations" that his continuing to play golf would be absolutely forbidden?

[SheilaAnn]

I mean c'mon, the SS has enough on their plate with him as it is, but....if he continues to play, with or without security, then we'll know, we will absolutely know. The whining will be unbearable, he has to get his way.

[SoFlaBro]

1. Stupid shitfaced Orange Motherfucker doesn't know when to shut the fuck up because he is a fucking shitstain.

[SheilaAnn]

2. Well there is that too..LOL. n/t

[groundloop]

3. Is it safe to assume that you don't care for trump?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. He doesn't give a s**t as long as the attention is on HIM. nt

[doc03]

5. I want to see him on the golf course as much a possible, assassination is just

a fact of life.

[Mme. Defarge]

6. Why is he playing golf

instead of campaigning?

[Ms. Toad]

7. And women should be forbidden from going out at night

Because they might be raped, blacks should be forbidden from entering/staying in sundown towns because they might be hurt.

I hate Trump more than I've ever hated anyone, but victim blaming, and restricting the movements of victims as a response to violence against them is beyond the pale.

[phylny]

8. I think it's a false equivalency.

People protected by the SS cannot just do what they want and go where they want. A friend of ours used to guard Reagan’s daughter Maureen, Bill Clinton, and GWB. Clinton drove them absolutely nuts with his requests to go/ travel “off plan.”

I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t want him killed. I want him to lose and go to jail. He has to take some responsibility and they either forbid golf or they expand the safety perimeter. The SS also needs to up its game.

[Ms. Toad]

9. Golfing, something done by pretty much every president in recent memory, at least.

That is hardly traveling "off plan."

People who are targeted with violence should not be forbidden from engaging in normal activities. Were I in Trump's shoes, I might evaluate how much risk I was willing to tolerate - as I do as a rape survivor. But prohibiting a victim from engaging in routine activity, as if it is their activity that is to blame for them being targeted with violence, is unacceptable.

[onenote]

12. +1

[phylny]

16. Did we know where Obama golfed?

Or any president?

I understand what you’re saying, but I disagree that Trump is like any other protectee. I mean, we all know where he lives and plays golf - either Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster, or maybe at his course in Loudoun County, VA.

I didn’t mean to imply that his activity was to “blame.” I do agree he needs to evaluate how much risk he’s willing to take. Either the SS figures out why Trump has been so vulnerable or he works with them to minimize his exposure. Just like a president isn’t allowed to drive or stroll down a street indiscriminately, which are both “normal” activities that are curtailed.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Mostly Joint Force Andrews and Fort Belvoir.

That information is not hard to find.

[phylny]

18. How easy is it for civilians to gain access to those

courses or in the vicinity?

[Ms. Toad]

20. Moving the goal post, I see.

First, it was that there isn't a parallel because presidents can't just engage in off-plan activities. Since golfing isn't really an off-plan activity for presidents, then it was that people knew where Trump was, but not where the other presidents were when they were golfing. Now that it is clear it is easy to find out where presidents are golfing, it is how easy it is to gain access to areas near where one other president was.

Forbidding a victim from going about routine activities because someone might try to engage in violence against them is not acceptable. Regardless of who the victim is.

And you are seriously suggesting that Trump should be restricted from moving around the property he owns and lives on because someone might target him? Do you think SS is forbidding President Obama, or George Bush from walking in their backyards because where they live is known and someone might target them from a place near their properties?

[mucholderthandirt]

22. This time it was apparently off-plan. News says he only decided to go about an hour before.

No one knew but staff and the SS. The alleged assassin seemed to already be set up in place, and was spotted by some super agent, over 100 yards away.

And yes, people who are having SS protection don't have all the freedoms as the average person. They aren't allowed to go just anywhere they want at the last minute, without a bunch of scrambling to get it done. It's known Trump doesn't listen to anyone. Not victim blaming, but when you've already had one attempt, you have to be in a bullet-proof booth for pretty much anything, to suddenly decide to go to a public course and play golf? You've increased your own risk. ON PURPOSE.

There's going to be a lot of explaining and critiquing Sunday's events, and heads will roll, again. And next week or next month, Trump will still be doing whatever idiotic notion that flits through his brain, still encouraging violence against everyone else, and still won't be held accountable for not toning down his rhetoric.

Maybe it will be Vance next time, and we'll still be here, acting as if these people are sane, normal folks who didn't deserve what happened to them. Call it victim blaming, or call it accountability. When you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. People here seem to not have any problems saying that when it's other folks, without SS protection.

[Ms. Toad]

24. I was responding to a post that asserted he should not be allowed to play golf.

Not that he needs to cooperate with planning the things he chooses to do with the SS so they are able to protect him.

There is a significant difference between saying he should be forbidden from playing golf period, and saying his activities that might expose him to physical danger should be coordinated with those assigned to protect him.

If anyone uttered the words "play stupid games, get stupid prizes to a crime victim who was engaging in routine activities at the time of the attack, it would be alerted on immediately, likely hidden. And, I would hope, the author would be shown the door.

[phylny]

23. Okay, Ms. Toad.

Have a pleasant day.

[RidinWithHarris]

10. The SS can't "forbid" anything. They can only "strongly advice" against dangerous activities.

In this case, since this is a known location where Trump spends a lot of time, I'd say the SS should have had a much better handle on how to secure and defend Mar-a-Lago by now.

[onenote]

14. The golf course is 4+ miles from Mar a Lago.

And the secret service doesn't close a golf course when one of its protectees is playing.

[Takket]

11. they all must be hoping someone finally puts him in jail before they have to take a bullet for him

[William Gustafson]

13. In the famous words of JD...

"It's just part of life now!! We have to get over it"

[Brainfodder]

15. I wonder how long after he is taken away before he lands in hospice.

[Jack Valentino]

19. I hope it is not forbidden...!

It is the only remaining venue where he can successfully cheat---

but now he will have a bullet at the back of his mind every time-- in a manner of speaking.



I hope no bullet finds him, but that the Secret Service violently tackles him to the ground many MANY times,
and that it HURTS,
but they keep his worthless hide breathing until the election----

and that he does not enjoy any golf game from now until then.

[Emile]

21. Only safe place is to lock his ass up!