Highlights from Egypt, Dec 8 2012 (Part 2) Martial Law

[Catherina]

Previous thread, Highlights from Egypt, Dec 8 2012 (Part 1) Martial Law here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021946100


@cairocitylimits Breaking: Morsi cancels temporary power grab, insists on vote on permanent power grab enabled by temporary power grab.

[pinboy3niner]

1. K&R

[leveymg]

2. Thanks for the previous thread. Very informative. Look forward to this one.

[Catherina]

7. Thank you. I'll keep it up.

Though I do have to take a break as I have friends visiting and have been shamefully neglecting them.

Thanks so much

[Catherina]

3. Judges insist not to supervise referendum.. National front vows to continue sit-in n/t

Ahmed Ateyya ?@Ateyya

Judges insist not to supervise referendum.. National front vows to continue sit-in Judges insist not to supervise referendum.. National front vows to continue sit-in

[Catherina]

4. Clusterfuck

@ShereefAbbas

How the fuck are we discussing an old or new const. declaration when the prez can not issue one w/ out a ref. in the 1st place! CLUSTERFUCK

[Catherina]

5. It's not compromise! Here's why

Bassem Sabry باسم ?@Bassem_Sabry

1- I'm getting calls by Western media asking me what I think of the "compromise." It's not compromise! The president got all that he wanted>

2- He continues to issue declarations, which are not constitutional and an illegal expansion of his power. He is not giving time for people>

3- to understand the constitution and then says he can't amend the current document even though he's issuing declarations >>>

4- He also stipulated that the existing effects of the previous declaration will remain! This was a stunt, not a compromise.



Bassem Sabry باسم ?@Bassem_Sabry

@Reem_Abdellatif what the MB wants: get the constitution rammed through quick referendum before anyone gets a chance to properly discuss it.

[Catherina]

6. Every single radio station,except for Nile FM,is playing patriotic songs

Nada Wassef ?@Nadawassef

Every single radio station,except for Nile FM,is playing patriotic songs. Timing? Coincidence? I think not. #Egypt



You know, during all of this, I think back to the Bush years and how incensed we would have been, how hard we would have fought back, even some conservatives, if he had tried to ram through a new constitution based on a 50%+ vote.

[Catherina]

8. ational Salvation Front: We reject Morsy's new decree, protests to continue

@SultanAlQassemi

George Ishaq of (El Baradei's) National Salvation Front: We reject Morsy's new decree, protests to continue http://goo.gl/x7YT0 Arabic


Article is in Arabic

[Catherina]

9. Disturbingly sectarian exchange between Al-Beltagy and Misr25 presenter

Basil El-Dabh ?@BasilElD

Disturbingly sectarian exchange between Al-Beltagy and Misr25 presenter begins at around 34:40

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In Arabic, hopefully someone can translate highlights of what's at 34:40 for us

[Catherina]

10. political scientist says he needs 3 weeks to study current draft. What about normal citizens?

Bassem Sabry باسم ?@Bassem_Sabry

Friend, a political scientist, followed all constitutional drafts, says he needs 3 weeks to study current draft. What about normal citizens?

[Catherina]

11. General Khaled Metawe3, says he expects army in the streets in next 24 hrs >>

marlyn ?@virtualactivism

Opinion:security strategist General Khaled Metawe3, says he expects army in the streets in next 24 hrs & says they will not take pres's side

[Catherina]

12. "Egypt's Morsi leans on uncomfortable alliance with military" LA Times

Reem Abdellatif ريم ?@Reem_Abdellatif

#Egypt's #Morsi leans on uncomfortable alliance with military: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-morsi-military-20121209,0,2262782.story …

Egypt's Morsi leans on uncomfortable alliance with military

The importance of the president's reliance on the military, a cooperation of onetime rivals, is evident in reports that he is considering reimposing emergency law to counter deepening civil unrest.



By Jeffrey Fleishman and Reem Abdellatif, Los Angeles Times

December 9, 2012

CAIRO — Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi faces legions of enemies, but the military has been a quiet, if uncomfortable, ally following assurances that the army's power and billions of dollars of business interests would not be upset by the Islamist-led government.

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But Morsi's evolving dependency on the military was evident Saturday amid reports that he was considering reimposing emergency law to allow soldiers to arrest civilians and stem the deadly clashes between Islamists and the mainly secular opposition. At least six people have been killed and hundreds injured in recent protests marked by gunshots and firebombs.

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The Brotherhood has placated the generals by preserving the military's broad powers in the proposed constitution. Liberals and Christians boycotted the drafting of the charter, which is due to go to a referendum Dec. 15, but the secular army approved the document, despite its references to Islamic law, known as sharia.

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"There are agreements between the armed forces, the U.S. and the Brotherhood," said Ammar Ali Hassan, a political analyst. "They've agreed to stability because the U.S. absolutely needs stability in Egypt."

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The military, which receives $1.3 billion in annual U.S. aid, has many factions and could change course. But the country's new defense minister, Lt. Gen. Abdel Fattah Sisi, is a pious Muslim; and the armed forces chief of staff, Gen. Sedky Sobhy, appears more in tune with Brotherhood sentiments than did Tantawi, who in 2008 threatened to call out the troops to prevent Brotherhood candidates from winning seats in local elections.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-morsi-military-20121209,0,2262782.story

[Catherina]

13. MB claiming dead protesters were MB members (cont.)

marlyn ?@virtualactivism

my post: the curious case of the victims at the presidential palace. http://hakawi.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/the-curious-case-of-the-victims-at-the-presidential-palace/ …


In the last thread I mentioned that the MB (Ikhwan) was claiming the dead protesters they killed as martyrs of their own.

This article is about that. Embedded links in the original

the curious case of the victims at the presidential palace

Posted by hakawi on December 9, 2012

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At the end of the day, rumors of deaths began to surface – and 5 deaths were confirmed. The deaths, as were reported at the time, were all from the Ikhwan’s side. Everyone was stunned. How would Ikhwan who had the weapons and came prepared for an attack, be themselves killed? Ikhwan showed a heart-wrenching video of a mother whose son is one of those ‘martyrs’ as she wailed for him and swore at ElBaradei ‘the traitor and the Zionist’, saying he was the cause of her son’s death. In fact Western media went along with the story and reported the Ikhwan as victims. The Supreme Leader of the Ikhwan went to AlAzhar to speak at the funeral of the ‘Ikhwan victims’ – and he shed tears as he said ‘killing a Muslim believer is a sin’.

Yusri Foda, renowned media presenter, mentioned the 5 people who the minister of health announced were confirmed dead. He also mentioned their ‘affiliations’ in this video link min 23:28. The second victim is Mohammed Khallaf Eissa, and Foda says his family is not Ikhwan and they ‘refuse to speak’. The final total number remains unknown.

Then names started coming out: one of the victims was al Husseini ِAbu Deif, a journalist at al Fajr newspaper shot in the head. Clearly he was not Ikhwan. Another was Karam Sargious, a Copt, whose name did not get enough coverage in any media.

However the most telling case was that of a victim called Mohamed Sanussi. His brother Reda said that Sanussi was not an Ikhwan and that some Ikhwan people came to him and asked him and his family if they could claim their brother as one of the Ikhwan vicitms and that they would take care of the entire costs of the funeral. He adamantly refused and felt angry and insulted. When asked why, he said because Ikhwan are the ones who killed him! His friends and family were also there and confirmed what Reda was saying.

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Then came a man named Ahmed Feisal: Ikhwan put his picture as one of ‘their’ victims, when in fact a friend of his said Feisal is not Ikhwan at all and he is not even dead. Feisal lies in the ICU with a bullet in his neck.

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http://hakawi.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/the-curious-case-of-the-victims-at-the-presidential-palace/

[Catherina]

14. Continuing in the following thread

Highlights from Egypt, Dec 9 2012 (Part 1) Grand Treason: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021950316