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Coventina

(29,730 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:24 PM Sep 2024

The Real Reason the Harris Twang Is Driving Republicans Crazy

As is the case for many people who grew up in the Deep South but have lived somewhere else for many years, the Southern accent I once had has given way to the “nowhere man” accent that I think of as generically American. But it comes roaring back when I visit my family in central Alabama, and even lingers for a few days after I have returned to Brooklyn. It’s also a little more pronounced after a martini (or two).

No one gets offended when my Southern accent comes and goes. For Kamala Harris, it’s a different story. Figures on the political right, including JD Vance, Donald Trump and various conservative internet celebrities, have accused Ms. Harris of affecting a Southern accent on the campaign trail, and implied that it was a kind of deception.

Ms. Harris, who is not from the South, wasn’t using a Southern accent, though. As John McWhorter has recently pointed out, what Ms. Harris was slipping into was Black English. There’s nothing unusual about her using Black English because to state the obvious (to everyone except Donald Trump, apparently) Ms. Harris is Black.

So what’s really bothering Republicans? The answer has nothing to do with linguistic purity. It has everything to do with cultural stereotypes — and electoral math.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/opinion/kamala-harris-accent-language.html

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A very entertaining read.
Apologies for the paywall, I get NYT for free due to being an educator.

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The Real Reason the Harris Twang Is Driving Republicans Crazy (Original Post) Coventina Sep 2024 OP
Gift article, no paywall: Ocelot II Sep 2024 #1
Thanks! And here's this one from archive.is... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #5
John Kennedy is a republican Senator. The inbred mush mouth is a put on. They need to STFU! n/t brewens Sep 2024 #2
Foghorn is the biggest phony in Congress--and that's saying a lot. spooky3 Sep 2024 #28
Rethugs never had a problem when Dubya did it. robertpaulsen Sep 2024 #3
Right? Except when he pronounced the word "rather". LisaM Sep 2024 #20
Thanks for posting this... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #4
Yup... Exactly... Really tired of the RW coded language. Nothing wrong with speaking to/knowing your audience. hlthe2b Sep 2024 #6
It doesn't "bother"; they're just using it as a mother way to point out that she's black. unblock Sep 2024 #7
My wife laughs at me. When I visit my family I sound completely different than GumboYaYa Sep 2024 #8
I hear you! COL Mustard Sep 2024 #13
It's all about the roux! GumboYaYa Sep 2024 #33
The darker the better! COL Mustard Sep 2024 #34
Am not certain that I ever say window UpInArms Sep 2024 #40
Another one is COL Mustard Sep 2024 #41
WTF dialect does Trump spreak? Mopar151 Sep 2024 #9
I believe Trump's accent is commonly referred to as Bronxian stupid world wide wally Sep 2024 #11
Mmmm, Long Island girl here, actually his accent (to me, at least) is very Queens (about 10 miles fierywoman Sep 2024 #30
He speaks Stupidian COL Mustard Sep 2024 #14
And a side of whine Seinan Sensei Sep 2024 #24
As duplicitous as he is, he speaks in Parselmouth. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2024 #15
Central Park Crow Blaukraut Sep 2024 #16
I was born and raised in Texas. Aristus Sep 2024 #10
I always knew when a coworker had vistited her family Skittles Sep 2024 #12
remember the big republican fit over ebonics? tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #17
my English mum LOVED ebonics Skittles Sep 2024 #18
Yup- My Rochester NY Great Lakes accent has been softened a bit, but I still get the knowing "You from . . . ?" by NBachers Sep 2024 #19
ah! Roshster! tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #31
"Put yer hat back in your backpack before ya have a heart attack" NBachers Sep 2024 #35
Howdy neighbor LittleGirl Sep 2024 #32
My son and his family live in Walnut Creek within walking distance of the BART station. I can drive over there, but I NBachers Sep 2024 #36
Excellent, looks like my LittleGirl Sep 2024 #39
I also like coal country Pennsylvania COL Mustard Sep 2024 #42
Yuengling NBachers Sep 2024 #43
Slipping back and forth between accents is common. LisaM Sep 2024 #21
All true....... joanbarnes Sep 2024 #22
"....Ms. Harris is Black." Ms. Harris is Black? I seem to remember reading something about that. 3Hotdogs Sep 2024 #23
I was born and raised in Chicago. Demobrat Sep 2024 #25
Repugs must *really* be desperate to consider Kamala's accent objectionable ailsagirl Sep 2024 #26
Clarence Thomas Seinan Sensei Sep 2024 #27
OMG. When did she turn Southern? /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #29
After 67 years, my South African accent comes back when I hear a South African on the radio DavidDvorkin Sep 2024 #37
Because sometimes it be like that. oasis Sep 2024 #38
We tend to modify our speech to sound like who we've been talking with. John Farmer Sep 2024 #44
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
2. John Kennedy is a republican Senator. The inbred mush mouth is a put on. They need to STFU! n/t
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:29 PM
Sep 2024

robertpaulsen

(8,697 posts)
3. Rethugs never had a problem when Dubya did it.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:33 PM
Sep 2024

Born in New Haven, went to Yale, always had a drawl thicker than usual when campaigning in the South.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. Thanks for posting this...
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:34 PM
Sep 2024

You can post non-paywall articles by going to archive.is or archive.ph and pasting the original paywalled article's URL into the second search engine, copy the resulting non-paywalled URL and paste that into you posts.

On DU, you should always also post the original paywalled article link as a source for the article in addition to the non-paywalled link from archive.

Here's the link to the non-paywalled article that I retrieved from archive.is:

https://archive.is/wdW48

...from the original source article at https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/opinion/kamala-harris-accent-language.html

hlthe2b

(113,947 posts)
6. Yup... Exactly... Really tired of the RW coded language. Nothing wrong with speaking to/knowing your audience.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:36 PM
Sep 2024

unblock

(56,198 posts)
7. It doesn't "bother"; they're just using it as a mother way to point out that she's black.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:43 PM
Sep 2024

Same with the "turned black" comment.

They always want the focus to be on race and sex and national origin and all that crap because all they have going for them is their bigoted appeal.

I really wish everyone would just slap back at them for being bigoted instead of even suggesting that these things are questions or controversies for the target of their nonsense.

GumboYaYa

(6,001 posts)
8. My wife laughs at me. When I visit my family I sound completely different than
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 05:45 PM
Sep 2024

I do at home. I start using terms like "I might could" and "how y'all doin". I vanquished those from my vocabulary a long time ago.

COL Mustard

(8,217 posts)
13. I hear you!
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:02 PM
Sep 2024

I was a military brat and while we lived in a lot of places, I never realized what a thick Southern accent I had, because both my parents were from the Deep South, and I learned that way of speaking.

We went overseas when I was about 12, and I heard my voice on a tape recorder. I was appalled at what I sounded like, and I dropped the accent in a few months.

Like you, when I’m around family, it comes back to an extent, but most of the time I sound like anywhere USA. I have a generic accent and could be from anywhere.

One thing I really hate is bad Southern accents in movies and TV. If you’re going to play a Southern character, get a voice coach and learn how to speak it.

And by the way, I love me some gumbo!!

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
11. I believe Trump's accent is commonly referred to as Bronxian stupid
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 06:59 PM
Sep 2024

(no offense to anyone from the Bronx)

fierywoman

(8,594 posts)
30. Mmmm, Long Island girl here, actually his accent (to me, at least) is very Queens (about 10 miles
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:21 PM
Sep 2024

from where I grew up.)

Aristus

(72,178 posts)
10. I was born and raised in Texas.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 06:13 PM
Sep 2024

But I have lived in Washington State my entire adult life.

My Texas twang comes back at regular intervals, usually when I’m in a very good mood or a very bad mood.

And I will say Y’all and dang until I die.

VP Harris can speak in whatever mode she chooses, just like the rest of us. There are a million reasons why I’m voting for her. A stupid-ass thing like the repukes’ “concern” over this non-issue isn’t going to change that.

Skittles

(171,698 posts)
12. I always knew when a coworker had vistited her family
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:01 PM
Sep 2024

she'd slip back into country dialect, instead of the clipped corporate speak she had morphed into

 
17. remember the big republican fit over ebonics?
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:25 PM
Sep 2024

the whole point of calling it that was to emphasize that it is a dialect that partially evolved from Ebo ( apologies if i have that ethnic name wrong).

growin up in nys i was surrounded by all kinds of ethnically- based dialects. the italian (mercan) kids, the irish kids, the polish kids - all had residuals from the motherland, even though almost all were second, or even third generation americans. of course. not an issue.

i once asked a screaming anti-ebonics bigot if he felt the same way about white cajun kids in LA. should their public schools punish them for their dialect?

pathetic. the fact that this all seemed to come from Steve Doofey of Faux negates any reason to consider it.

check out the poignant song "Southern Accents" by our beloved Tom Petty of Fl. tear enducing. ❤️

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
19. Yup- My Rochester NY Great Lakes accent has been softened a bit, but I still get the knowing "You from . . . ?" by
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:31 PM
Sep 2024

people up that way. A woman last week wanted to know if I was from Cleveland - she was an ex-Clevelander. It gets more pronounced the closer I get to my little Erie Canal hometown village.

Now I live across the bay from Kamala's Oakland hometown; and I've voted for her in every election she's run in. She's authentic in every way and I love the way she talks.

 
31. ah! Roshster!
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:22 PM
Sep 2024

i went hs near there. those great lakes "short a's" (bath, hat) -a real identifier!

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
32. Howdy neighbor
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:22 PM
Sep 2024

I live in Coasta Costa county near Mt. Diablo.

I’m new here so I’m learning by posts like yours about our new POTUS.

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
36. My son and his family live in Walnut Creek within walking distance of the BART station. I can drive over there, but I
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 10:12 PM
Sep 2024

like to let BART drive too.

Earlier this year, I drove around Mount Diablo and ended up going way down Marsh Creek Road and found a place called Round Valley Regional Preserve in rural Brentwood. It was a nice place to do some hiking and exploring.

On Edit: Here's a picture from Round Valley:

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
39. Excellent, looks like my
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 12:46 AM
Sep 2024

Neighborhood alright. I’m reading up on the history and settlers of Morgan Territory and I need to go to Livermore. It’s an amazing area and I’m thrilled to settle here.

COL Mustard

(8,217 posts)
42. I also like coal country Pennsylvania
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 04:22 PM
Sep 2024

Ho but! Are yinz home for da weekend? Let’s go to the Ack-ame and get some beer.

LisaM

(29,633 posts)
21. Slipping back and forth between accents is common.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:36 PM
Sep 2024

My partner's mother was from North Carolina and moved to Michigan. When she got on the phone to her relatives, her accent shifted completely.

Her father was originally from Pennsylvania and she spent some time there (and went to Penn) so she had a few Easternisms thrown in too.

3Hotdogs

(15,362 posts)
23. "....Ms. Harris is Black." Ms. Harris is Black? I seem to remember reading something about that.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:39 PM
Sep 2024

When did she turn Black?













Inquiring minds (or at least one inquiring mind) want to know.

Demobrat

(10,299 posts)
25. I was born and raised in Chicago.
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:00 PM
Sep 2024

Lived and worked most of my adult life in California. When I am at work I speak like the educated professionals around me.

When I am at home, tired, or a little tipsy I speak like a B movie Chicago gangster.

I suspect many people have a work voice and a home voice. I like her home voice.

Seinan Sensei

(1,543 posts)
27. Clarence Thomas
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:05 PM
Sep 2024

grew up speaking Gullah Geechee
He speaks standard English now.
Does that mean he turned white at some point?

DavidDvorkin

(20,589 posts)
37. After 67 years, my South African accent comes back when I hear a South African on the radio
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 10:58 PM
Sep 2024

Sometimes it happens even when I think about something from my boyhood. It's a common phenomenon.

John Farmer

(404 posts)
44. We tend to modify our speech to sound like who we've been talking with.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 04:47 PM
Sep 2024

Harris spend four years at Howard University. I'm sure that she rubbed elbows with plenty of Blacks from the south and elsewhere and can easily slip into sounding like that.

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