It Appears I Am Not Wanted here, Goodbye.

[gab13by13]

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I Love Democratic Underground, I will dearly miss it. My detractors have won, congratulations.

[North Shore Chicago]

1. What in tarnation

are you talking about?!

[kentuck]

2. What are you talking about?

Send me a message.

[gab13by13]

10. I wish I could

[boston bean]

3. Not sure what this is about. But remember it's just people on the internet.

Don’t let it get to you personally.

[underpants]

4. What?

[Irish_Dem]

5. What the hell, Gab.

I am more outspoken and on the edge than you are.
They have not run me off yet.

[orange jar]

6. Huh?

There are always going to be people who want to be argumentative (then again, I'm not sure what the context here is). That doesn't mean you aren't wanted.

[mucholderthandirt]

7. Well, as the kids say, Bye, Felicia! I have no clue what you're talking about, 24K+ posts, what else is there?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. WTF is that supposed to mean?

[EYESORE 9001]

48. Well, as I say

[LuckyCharms]

51. Awww...you ok?

[Tadpole Raisin]

55. Rude and uncalled for

[MarineCombatEngineer]

64. Maybe you should, you know, delete this offensive post?

Maybe you're one of the reasons that he's leaving because of comments like this.

[rurallib]

8. Don't know what is going on - but you have to stay

if just for the election celebration!

Edit to add - rather than leave, use the blocking function. That is what it is there for!

[gab13by13]

9. Believe me I want to stay

[UniqueUserName]

13. I appreciate you and your input

Hope to be reading your input for years to come.

[malaise]

27. Same here

Rec

[EYESORE 9001]

88. Thanks, I'll try my best

Now, if this guy would stop following me

Good thing I cheat at chess

[bdamomma]

14. Then stay.

context please???? Every comment here is valuable.

[cachukis]

15. Then stay. You are needed.

[mollie8]

28. Don't go

I enjoy your posts. Stay with us and don't let those who disagree get to you. Nobody agrees with someone 100 percent of the time. It's good to have different opinions when it can be done in a civil manner. Those who are not civil don't count, just disregard.

[cally]

38. Then stay

Believe me I have left many times but I don’t post much The sometimes viciousness, especially during a war and election, require taking a break.

Take a walk, start campaigning in real life and then see what you want to do.

Take care of yourself

[relayerbob]

53. Please do stay

There's definitely been a shift in DU, and it isn't very pretty. But we need the good folks to stay around!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

72. +100. nt

[Think. Again.]

81. Well said...

Not only is it important for us all to be able to clearly state our thoughts here (even if they are controversial) but we must also account for (and be patient with) the misunderstandings that arise from the online discussion format, and the differences we all have in our communication habits.

[MineralMan]

11. What is it this time?

I haven't been looking at your posts, so I have no idea.

[gab13by13]

18. There was a post about what happens when Magats fail to certify votes

across the country and the election is turned into chaos. I simply responded, which I guess was wrong, that President Biden could declare martial law. So a heads up to others, don't post that a president can declare martial law you may get in trouble.

[MineralMan]

22. Oh, well.

I skipped that thread.

[Mossfern]

25. Was your post reported and removed?

If this is what it's about, don't take it personally. It just means that someone may have had a misunderstanding of your post or its intent and the jury did so as well.

I see nothing wrong with what you said.

[Ms. Toad]

90. 4 posts removed in the last 90 days. n/t

[Bettie]

33. My general rule is

don't let the bastards grind you down. Your opinions are as valid as anyone else's.

So, stick around, block the people who you just can't with, and move along with the rest of us.

After the election, we'll all need each other, to celebrate or commiserate with. I believe it will be celebrating, but I'm not counting those chickens quite yet.

[JI7]

34. So you want to leave because people disagreed ?

[CrispyQ]

36. Pfft! That's nothing! Trying posting that Rachel Maddow isn't The Best Host Ever on MSNBC.

I'd recommend a fire retardant suit, first, though.

But seriously, you were the one who posted this & I've never forgotten it. (paraphrasing)

The networks all serve the right's narrative. Fox reports that Obama cheats at golf. CNN reports that it's not conclusive if Obama cheats at golf. MSNBC reports that it's definitely not true that Obama cheats at golf. All three are discussing a right-wing lie instead of what Obama is really doing.

FYI, one option for dealing with detractors is to tell them to fuck off knowing you'll be put in a time out corner.

[cally]

40. Oh well

Many of us are brainstorming what to do when magats try to steal the election. Desperate times

[brewens]

65. I'm hoping that the polls and results all over the rest of the country will make their efforts to steal the election

stink so bad they might not go through with it. If it's obvious that some state like Georgia has all kinds of problems and tries to throw the election, we better not just say, they stole it fair and square and let Trump just take over. Trying to fix it in court after the fact will not work.

[oswaldactedalone]

73. Don't go

but declaring martial law is not a good idea.

[Think. Again.]

83. You were not wrong in the facts of your post...

...and I did not see the post itself but perhaps the wording was awkward?

Anyway, having posts removed is almost getting to be a badge of honor lately.

It's when your account is suspended that you really need to consider moving on.

[ms liberty]

69. Walt Starr, anyone?

Link for the uninitiated:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2507034

[Dennis Donovan]

12. I have my own detractors...

I simply remind them that they're welcome to click my handle "Dennis Donovan" and click the "Ignore" button.

FWIW I like your posts and comments.

[ColinC]

16. This isn't remotely true

You are loved

[hlthe2b]

17. I'm no detractor and I am urging you to stay. I don't know what happened, but take a pause, enjoy

the day and then remember there are many here who do not feel (or very likely do not feel) as your detractors.

I may not know you well, but well enough to believe that you are a fighter. That is what we need right now. Enjoy the day, then come back with a determined outlook. None of us are free from conflict and it is highly likely that if we are opinionated enough (as I know I AM), then we have some staunch detractors. We probably also have some that we have convinced closer toward our opinions on some very important issues. If that happens once--even in a year-- and they go on and convince friends and family on an issue that might "bear fruit" legislative-wise or election candidate choice, we've made even that small difference.

So, take the day.


An addendum: If this is on one specific issue, feel free to PM me. I might have some suggestions as to how to approach posting on a particularly inflammatory issue that can prevent your detractors from having any possible stand to cause you problems with your post. Something I don't always do on my own, but can be dispassionate with others.

[Sympthsical]

19. Penguins in three acts

[EYESORE 9001]

44. Oh, that's funny

I like this one better

You feeling froggy today? By all means, jump.

[Diamond_Dog]

20. I too enjoy your posts and comments

I hope you reconsider.

[EYESORE 9001]

21. Are trolls stalking you?

I’ve observed stalking behavior on this site occasionally. The problem (troll) always solves itself (FFR).

[onecaliberal]

56. Most likely this.

It is known, and allowed.

[Think. Again.]

91. Yep, me too.

[Ms. Toad]

96. Sometimes the stalkers win.

The OP is one hidden post away from being FFR. After years of never having a single post removed, I picked up a stalker or two who put me one post away from being FFR at least once.

When the alert swarm begins, the hidden posts can add up within a day or two.

[Think. Again.]

101. Very true, it's clear to me when that targetting begins, and so I chill out until they move on.

[LuckyCharms]

23. You're just having a bad few minutes. I get them here all the time.

Stay.

Everything's alright.

[kansasobama]

24. Ignore some comments

You will be fine. I have faced many people who have berated me in the past. I still remember people blasting me when I said some Dems do not vote every election and that is why we end up with these SC judges. Off year voting was very bad in the past, especially during Obama years. Some were pretty bad and I decided I am unwanted. Even moderators were saying I cannot speak up against Dems. I had criticized Michelle Obama for not batting for critical Senate candidates. Time moves on. It is 2024.

[malaise]

26. I hope you will have a rethink

[gab13by13]

29. I can't post what I want to say,

If I am allowed to stay here I will stay absolutely. Believe me I have thick skin, I don't give a darn what a handful of people here say about me, that's their right. Even when I am criticized to the point of it being a personal attack I will never alert on anyone, I will respond to them in public, well, over the keyboard.

Maybe I'm being hyperbolic, we shall see. Wish me luck.

[orthoclad]

61. Luck!

[msfiddlestix]

67. I have presided over really ridiculous and petty alerts. Just because you've had a post alerted, or removed

doesn't mean you are not welcomed by many of us.
You do have detractors I suggest just put them on ignore or just ignore them.
And of course we know certain subjects might best be avoided altogether.

[msfiddlestix]

79. That's interesting... since the poster I'd isn't included, then I take it you search for the thread?

I've never considered doing it.. I would expect you might get caught up in a time consuming conflict. ?

[Think. Again.]

97. And thank you for researching the context of the alerted posts.

I know I have had posts removed that, out of context, fit the conditions for removal but in context should have been acceptable.

It has taught me to be more careful in how I phrase each individual post so as to not lose the opportunity to state my case.

Sometimes it's all in how you phrase what you're saying and not about what you are saying at all.

[Tadpole Raisin]

76. If there are people who alert at the drop of a hat, do they have limits too?

Like frivolous lawsuits could their ability to alert be suspended?

Without knowing the numbers it does feel like sometimes people are targeted which could bump up 1 innocuous hide to 5 real quick.

[msfiddlestix]

80. I don't think there are, but then again I've never looked into it. I suppose MRT might handle those, not sure though.

[KS Toronado]

86. You're too valuable to kick off, next time use immunity powers.

[ProfessorGAC]

93. I'm Thinking Hyperbolic

Just take a deep breath & shrug off the negatives.
No reason for you to leave. Take a couple days away & resume.
You & I don't agree on everything, but I've never found anything objectionable about your posts

[ananda]

30. Being liberal brings the trolls and moderates out in force.

But if you let them shut you down, you give them
street cred and they will get worse.

When we fight, we win!

[spanone]

32. Been close, several times.

You should stay.

[Polly Hennessey]

35. Don't let them bully you. Stay.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

37. What????

Please, reconsider, I thoroughly enjoy reading your threads and posts, I may not agree all the time, but you do add your valuable voice to DU.
Do what I've done a few times, take some time off, recharge your batteries and return all refreshened up.
Hope to see you back soon.
Peace out
Dan.

[multigraincracker]

39. I feel your pain.

I get post pulled for things I see others get away with. Hard not to take it personal.

[Fla Dem]

41. Election season generally gets a little more testy than normal.

Lots of new posters jump on board, and some do not always respect others' opinions and will respond with a nasty comment. They don't seem to realize that for the most part we have a common purpose and insulting and disrespecting other DUer's isn't it.

You also have to expect that there will be intruders trying to disrupt our shared support of the Democratic Party and our candidates. Most of the time the Administrators find them and kick them out, or the MIR team will take action.

So stick around. You've been here for a while so don't let a few disruptors or uncivil folks get under your skin. Your best course of action is to ignore them, or if you feel they are disruptors to report them.

[Tadpole Raisin]

42. Take a break and get the numbers down.

Like you I don’t like to use ignore. I think it’s too easy a way to avoid opinions you don’t like (unless your bp would go over 200, but then that may say more about how the person handles conflict in general). That said, a free for all is no good either.

Never being on a jury I still realize that this balance is tough to maintain.

It does seem though that once a person crosses some line every post is looked at in the worst possible way and it’s like a snowball going downhill.

I would fight against at least 1-2 hidden posts and get it reversed but after that find the key words to avoid without compromising your position.

STAY!!

[debm55]

43. Please stay, I will miss you,

[Doodley]

49. Stay and block anyone who annoys you! This thread shows people want you to stay!

[orthoclad]

50. Stay. Breathe deep.

I agree with many of the things you say. I think you're needed here.

We face extraordinary events, which require extraordinary thinking. Do what you need to do for peace of mind, but I for one would want you to stay.

[JohnnyRingo]

54. Every time I post someone implies I'm an idiot.

But I'm still here to tell you about it.

[Ocelot II]

59. What? Don't let a few crabby people chase you off.

This is a political site and people are gonna argue and sometimes it will get a little heated. If somebody is snarky and is getting on your nerves, ignore 'em or let the whole thing go. Don't let strangers on the internet get you down. Stick around!

[lpbk2713]

60. Debm55 wants you to stay. So that's that.

Stay.

[CincyDem]

78. Maybe Debm55 can do a thread...Reasons Gab13by13 should stay. (I love her ? Threads). lol

[CoopersDad]

62. Please stay and please just block the haters.

Haters gonna hate and they exist on every single topic.

Click on their user name and then block them.

DU becomes much better that way, I'll bet you only need to block 3-5 of them.

[Kid Berwyn]

63. Don't take it personally. For some, it's business.

For others, screwing with others’ ideas is a passion.

You add to what we know and should consider. For whatever reason, that can be threatening.

[NJCher]

66. Eh, I sure wouldn't

Let anybody run me off a discussion board. Especially if I had over 20k posts.

[virgdem]

68. Please reconsider leaving.

Election season is rough around here. I left for a few years in 2016 during the Bernie/Hillary wars, when the vitriol was too much to bear.

Your voice is too important and valuable and we would be missing that imput.

[Timewas]

71. If you leave

They win

[DoBW]

75. it might look different ...

in the light of a different day, ... a single stick breaks easily while the bundle cannot be broken

[Vinca]

77. We all get piled on every so often. Take a break and come back.

[intheflow]

84. Honestly don't understand why you are still replying to this post.

I mean, if you're going to get all dramatic and vague-post about leaving, leave. I'm not saying I think you should go, but this is a lot of drama for you to not leave and keep replying cryptically about why you're leaving. Seems like a personal problem you're passing off on DUers so you can continue to be dramatic. Either leave or delete this. IMHO.

[dalton99a]

87. Every poster is not wanted by some other poster.

Ignore them

[J_William_Ryan]

89. "...don't post that a president can declare martial law you may get in trouble.'

Don’t know about ‘getting in trouble’ but such a statement is in fact wrong, presidents don’t have the authority to unilaterally declare martial law – see Ex Parte Milligan (1866).

[PufPuf23]

92. Like and respect your posts and will miss you if gone.

Best to you.

[BoomaofBandM]

94. I don't have you on ignore so you must be a good person.

I do nod in agreement often on your posts, so I would miss you. I have taken breaks often and do not post often but I rec a lot of posts. Do what is best for you.

[Tarc]

95. Well, "4 posts hidden in 90 days"

IIRC, that used to get one's account marked as "Flagged for review" and locked during the review process.

You either got lucky or things have eased up over the years.

[Ms. Toad]

102. It takes 5. n/t

[iluvtennis]

98. Stay. Just block the detractors. Don't let them win!. n/t

[edisdead]

99. It's an internet forum. Stay or don't

That is up to you. Not anyone else.

You are valuable and you matter.

Don’t let others take that from you and most importantly don’t take that from yourself.

[Aristus]

100. Please stay.

I don’t know if this will help or not. But I got trolled for years by people saying I wasn’t a ‘real’ medical provider (I’m a Physician Assistant), or accusing me of pretending to be a doctor, or ‘poisoning’ my patients with vaccines, etc, etc.

I put them all on block. Years later, I went in to un-block everyone I had blocked, and they had all left DU. They got bored, gave up, and went away. And good riddance.

But don’t you go anywhere!

[Deep State Witch]

103. We Want You Here, Gab!

One long-time DUer to another - ignore the detractors. You've been here long enough to know that some people just like to stir shit up. Just keep scrolling. If someone personally threatened you or told you that you're not wanted, report them to the Admins.

[DemonGoddess]

104. FWIW

I've been around a long time, but not much of a poster. Sometimes, you just need to step away for a few days.

[EarlG]

105. I would like to give everyone who reads this post some advice

The reason this thread exists is because the OP has had a couple of kooky posts removed by Jury recently, and I did not grant the appeals.

Those removed posts were removals 3 and 4 in the last 90 days. Each time the OP had a post removed they were sent a notification PM. This means that they should know that one more post removal in the next few weeks will result in automatic account suspension.

Now for the advice: I’ve been asked a few times why we can’t have a cooldown period after five hides, where you are forced to stop posting for a bit and then you can start again when your hides drop off. THIS OPTION ALREADY EXISTS. It exists at four hides, not five. Once you get your fourth hide, you can make the choice to post less, or not at all, or more carefully, until your hides drop off. I am not going to make this decision for you — you have to do it yourself.

The other choice you can make at four hides, as the OP has done, is to start a thread complaining about your treatment, trying to get readers on your side by misrepresenting what actually happened, and further breaking the rules by discussing forum moderation. By doing this it is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely that you will get yourself a fifth hide, at which point your choice will be removed because the system will act for you.

Maybe this is what the OP wants, I don’t know. I do know that the reason they have started this thread is because I did not grant their appeals, and they have taken this to mean that they are “not wanted” at DU. If I don’t grant your appeals it doesn’t mean you’re “not wanted,” it means I agree with the Jury, disagree with the appeal, and I don’t want to put your post back.

I’m going to lock this thread before the OP manages to get themselves another removal, not to mention the number of other people who have opened themselves up to potential removals in this thread by discussing jury decisions. If the OP still wishes to get themselves suspended no doubt they will find another way to do it, but as far as this thread goes, I am going to help them give themselves another chance, and also take the opportunity to counter the misinformation that’s being spread here.