President Zelinskyy: We have arrived in the United States

[Dennis Donovan]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
We have arrived in the United States. The main objective is to strengthen Ukraine and protect all our people. This war can only be ended with a just peace through global efforts. Everyone who values life can help, and the most effective help is determination. Ukraine’s Victory Plan will be on the table of all our allies.

Olena Zelenska / Олена Зеленська
3:35 PM · Sep 22, 2024

Link to tweet

[WarGamer]

1. they need to come up with something... "fighting til the last Ukrainian" isn't working.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

2. They're doing a pretty damn good job at striking the Russian war infrastructure so far

by striking inside Russia at their factorys, military bases, troop concentrations, etc..
Pres. Zelensky and his military commanders seem to be pretty competent so far.

[WarGamer]

4. none of that will end the war.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. Didn't say it would,

what will end the war is if Putin is ousted and Russia leaves Ukraine, including Crimea.

[newdeal2]

10. US bad, Russia good

Do I have that right?

[WarGamer]

11. No. Russia bad.

US fanning the flames.

War is most always a failure of Diplomacy.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. Wow.

I can't even argue with that nonsense.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. So now, according to you, we Dems now sound like Dick Cheney?

So, what's your solution to Russia's illegal invasion?
How would you stop it and get Russia to leave Ukraine, all of Ukraine?

[WarGamer]

16. *some... certainly not most of us.

Reports are out there that Boris Johnson scuttled a possible peace deal that would have averted war in 22.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

17. That was then, this is now,

the question still remains.

[WarGamer]

18. Let's be reasonable.

We're at a cafe somewhere... you're taking your legally required time off...

Tell me HOW the war can end today. I KNOW for a fact... I'm 300% sure that you know what you're talking about. Russia isn't leaving Crimea or Donetsk/Luhansk.

I think you know this.

Russia doesn't have the military power to take Ukraine border to border and Ukraine can't push them out.

Hell, Zelensky knows it. He's in the US speaking of Peace Deals.

It's going to take a deal... FWIW this is way over my pay grade and I'm not negotiating.

But I expect a land deal in exchange for a EU and NATO entrance, possibly a profit sharing arrangement for Russian energy traversing Ukraine.

All this talk of a decisive defeat by either side is fantasy.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. I'm not talking about a decisive defeat of Russia,

but if Putin is ousted in a coup, then I think the Russian High Command will be open to withdrawing their forces.
Whether this is true or not, I don't have a crystal ball, it's only my opinion, but I think that's about the only way to get Russia out of Ukraine.

[WarGamer]

20. the problem is... people down the line from Putin are like Medvedev... super hard liners.

To be honest... Ukraine would emerge a MUCH stronger nation with EU/NATO deals... even with 35% less land mass. They'd be open to foreign investment and believe me... the money would FLOW in... Ukraine would be a modern European country in just a few decades.

Life isn't fair. The globe is full of assholes who stole land. It's the human condition.

Europe still has a big red hole in it called Kaliningrad.

[Xolodno]

22. And that is what scares me.

People calling for Putin's head on a silver platter don't know that he is the dove. Whoever replaces him is going to be one ruthless dude.

[WarGamer]

24. Medvedev talks about nuking Europe weekly...

[Xolodno]

21. We should have honored our promise to bring Russia into NATO.

Russia DID HAVE offices in NATO at one time on the belief they would eventually join it. NATO and Russia held joint Military exercises. Yeltsin even asked to join during a G8 meeting. Even Putin wasn't opposed to the idea of joining NATO.

So we treat Russia like an enemy and we are surprised when they reciprocate? Even more surprised when they align them selves with China and Iran? US foreign policy is littered with failures all the way back to Iran with its zero sum approach. But hey, lets chant like the GOP during W Bush during the second gulf war and say USA! USA!

The more pointless wars we get into, the less appetite we have to get into something that's necessary. And this war didn't even have to end up in one, it could have been solved diplomatically. Yes, it would have been a painful compromise, but the Ukranian wife with kids whose father is now dead due to the war or Russian son who gave up his girlfriend and promising future probably wouldn't have mind.

Sometimes, the price in blood isn't worth it.

[Xolodno]

25. See, this is what I'm talking about.

It's all or nothing.

When it clearly isn't. Mistakes were made on all sides. But the mentality is still by too many, all or nothing. Russia is responsible for its mis steps as is Ukraine an ourselves. All or nothing just kills innocent lives.

[wnylib]

26. It gives them bargaining chips for negotiating a peace

without giving up territory.

[Xolodno]

14. Nor is it likely that many who have fled will ever return.

When Lebanon fell to civil war, it took a couple of decades for some to risk return and invest in the nation. I wouldn't be surprised many of them are now leaving again given the circumstances.

And the meme of "were hitting Russian military infrastructure" is a joke. What Ukraine is hitting is a drop in the bucket, there is a lot more military infrastructure they haven't even touched yet. They are still burning through their warehouses of old Soviet equipment.

And even if Zelensky gets his pipe dream of pushing all of the Russian military out of Ukraine, they are still screwed for the next 20 years economically.

[Cha]

3. TY & Pres Zelenskyy! 🇺🇦 🌻💙💛

[ananda]

6. I love this man. He is so well spoken...

and a true hero.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I know he can't afford to slight TFG and the GOP, but I sure wish he didn't have to shake hands with those...

treasonous azzholes. He wouldn't do Trump's bidding when it came to election interference, and Trump hasn't forgiven him for it.

[Initech]

9. The war will end when Vladimir Putin rids the world of his evil existence.

Whether it's voluntary or by force. Vladimir Putin and his minister of propaganda, Rupert Murdoch, need to be gone from this world, and only then, can we begin to heal.

[usonian]

27. And their orange son.

A triangle.

When you pile up enough shit, it forms a conical shape, seen as a triangle in two dimensions.