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LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 03:29 PM Sep 2024

MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle stuffs NYT columnist in a locker ... and Trump erupts

MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle stuffs NYT columnist in a locker ... and Trump erupts

New York Times columnist Bret Stephens can’t understand why Americans could simply reach the conclusion that Donald Trump — who orchestrated an attempted coup at the Capitol, quarterbacked a fake electors scheme, strong-armed state officials to conjure up fake votes, was convicted of 34 felonies, is an adjudicated rapist, and promotes racism and misogyny — is unfit for office.

Instead, Stephens said on HBO’s Real Time, that he still needs to know more about Vice President Kamala Harris’ policies and insisted that the Democratic nominee sit down for “a real interview” with, say, journalists the the New York Times, who, of course, often spent the three years of Harris’ vice presidency devaluing her contributions to the current administration.

The Times, you’ll recall, launched the same no-interview criticism at President Joe Biden, who rebuffed the newspaper because of its sane-washing of Trump

“She’s running against Trump,” Ruhle told Stephens, host Bill Maher and the audience. “We have two choices. And so there are some things you might not know her answer to, and in 2024, unlike 2016 for a lot of the American people, we know exactly what Trump will do who he is and the kind of threat he is to democracy.”

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“For the last two weeks, I’ve been going on and on, like, I can’t figure out where ... informed undecided voters are,” Ruhle said. “Like, who’s the person who has a list on their refrigerator of, like, ‘Well, she said this, and he said ...’ I’m, like, who is this person? And then I open the New York Times three days ago and it’s you."
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MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle stuffs NYT columnist in a locker ... and Trump erupts (Original Post) LiberalFighter Sep 2024 OP
I loved her telling him that he, writing in NYTimes was the "undecided voter" we have all been looking for. Bev54 Sep 2024 #1
She was excellent on Bill's show 👍 TommieMommy Sep 2024 #2
Anyone "undecided" at this point can't make any sort of claim that they give a shit about policy. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2024 #3
Or give a shit about democracy! PortTack Sep 2024 #13
She like her former co-host Ali Velshi, tell it like it is. Evolve Dammit Sep 2024 #4
The CNN version of Maher cut this part out** NGeorgian Sep 2024 #5
Bret Stephens must love getting his ass kicked on TV BaronChocula Sep 2024 #6
Here it is... They were on Morning Joe on November 25, 2019 Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Sep 2024 #19
Good job... TY! Cha Sep 2024 #25
Thank you thank you Thank you! BaronChocula Sep 2024 #35
Stephens Should Just Show Up In A Diaper Carrying A Rattle... smb Sep 2024 #45
Stephanie Ruhle was spot on Friday night on RealTime ... aggiesal Sep 2024 #7
As we used to say in WWII, when I was in the Air Corps... COL Mustard Sep 2024 #10
So Colonel is an honorary title? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #12
Army Lieutenant Colonel (Ret.) COL Mustard Sep 2024 #16
Thank you for your service SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #20
Maher knows nothing SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #11
He was bashing trump almost the whole show, and he skewered Robinson good too. Silent Type Sep 2024 #27
So? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #29
You obviously don't watch. It's an hour show, don't see much FOX news, especially more that 30 seconds. Silent Type Sep 2024 #31
I did SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #34
He's big time pro-Harris. Good enough for me right now. Guess you gotta be willing to take some disagreement Silent Type Sep 2024 #37
Dick Cheney is pro-Harris and that doesn't give him a pass either SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #38
Right on the money. HUAJIAO Sep 2024 #49
Getting People Killed With Anti-Vax BS Is Not A "Minor Issue" nt smb Sep 2024 #46
And, Struck a Big Fat Nerve. TY for this. Cha Sep 2024 #26
Here is the transcript as best I can do ... aggiesal Sep 2024 #30
TY So Much, aggiesal! Cha Sep 2024 #32
It's all on her website. Demobrat Sep 2024 #8
EXACTLY!!! I wish more people would point this out. I was waiting for Ruhle to say Harris has a positions page LymphocyteLover Sep 2024 #14
Really. I don't get it. Demobrat Sep 2024 #18
Maybe we should offer to read it to them as it seems that they can't read it for themselves. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Sep 2024 #21
That's actually not a bad idea. Demobrat Sep 2024 #24
Thanks. I have my moments. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Sep 2024 #33
"...and it's you!" Iggo Sep 2024 #9
I'm sure the laughter left a sting mark. ... aggiesal Sep 2024 #15
Helluva combo, yep. Iggo Sep 2024 #23
New York Times columnist Bret Stephens has those fine republican values. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #17
so in bret's mind, the NABJ interview wasn't a "real" interview? ecstatic Sep 2024 #22
To hell with the NYT and all its trump-sucking spokesmen. (nt) Paladin Sep 2024 #28
It was Hilarious - he was laughed off the stage Stallion Sep 2024 #36
Trump "concept of a plan" Cosmocat Sep 2024 #39
I'm an undecided voter. ECL213 Sep 2024 #40
Too funny! SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #43
Thank you Stepanie! Clouds Passing Sep 2024 #41
"...And then I open the New York Times three days ago and it's you." jcgoldie Sep 2024 #42
I Really Think... Biglinda 52 Sep 2024 #44
Both Bret and the NY Times are ridiculous at this point - TBF Sep 2024 #47
There are no undecided voters. That's a lie to hide they're voting for Trump, or not voting at all. mucholderthandirt Sep 2024 #48

Bev54

(13,105 posts)
1. I loved her telling him that he, writing in NYTimes was the "undecided voter" we have all been looking for.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 03:34 PM
Sep 2024

He isn't the only one at NYtimes that pretend the same, we should be naming every damn reporter that makes the same stupid claims.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,184 posts)
3. Anyone "undecided" at this point can't make any sort of claim that they give a shit about policy.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 03:57 PM
Sep 2024

It doesn't reconcile. If you cared about policy you'd be an informed voter and already have made a decision. If you're undecided, you're a low information voter and policy ain't what's going to sway you.

Good for her!

BaronChocula

(3,885 posts)
6. Bret Stephens must love getting his ass kicked on TV
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 05:28 PM
Sep 2024

Last edited Mon Sep 23, 2024, 11:46 PM - Edit history (1)

He made the mistake of appearing on MSNBC (last time I saw him on that network) with Anand Giridharadas to whom Stephens decided to white-splain America. Giridharadas replied with something like "You don't have to explain America to me. I'm an American. I was born here. Like many people I just happen not to agree with you. We just have different opinions on what is best for America."

I'm pissed I can't find the video. But rest assured, Stephens knows all about Harris' policy positions at this point. If he doesn't, he should be fired. So glad Stephanie called him out.

On edit: Link below from Jmb 4 Harris-Walz. Bret starts setting himself up at about 4 mins. Anand lowers the boom at about 5 mins. Clearly I didn't get the smackdown verbatim.

smb

(3,598 posts)
45. Stephens Should Just Show Up In A Diaper Carrying A Rattle...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 11:52 AM
Sep 2024

...and keep screaming "WAAA! WAAAA!! The mean lady won't give my paper an interview!!!!" That would be both more honest and more coherent than what he's been doing.

aggiesal

(10,489 posts)
7. Stephanie Ruhle was spot on Friday night on RealTime ...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 05:42 PM
Sep 2024

She was smart & funny. She made the show.

I still can't understand why Bill Maher called her 2025 comment, a "Bull $h1t talking point." when I thought she was correct.
Am I missing something? What does Maher know, that Ruhle & I don't know?

One last note: Pendejo45 calling her a "Dumb as a rock", bimbo, is pure Pendejo45 misogyny.
We all know if Pendeo45 is complaining, then Stephanie's comment struck a really loud chord.

I haven't seen this much reporting about RealTime in a long time.

COL Mustard

(7,898 posts)
10. As we used to say in WWII, when I was in the Air Corps...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 05:57 PM
Sep 2024

If you're drawing flak, you must be over the target.



(No, I wasn't in WWII or in the Air Force but it's still a good saying.)

Silent Type

(12,282 posts)
27. He was bashing trump almost the whole show, and he skewered Robinson good too.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:17 PM
Sep 2024

Even the NYT guy detests trump, though probably not enough to vote for VP Harris.

Silent Type

(12,282 posts)
31. You obviously don't watch. It's an hour show, don't see much FOX news, especially more that 30 seconds.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 08:47 PM
Sep 2024

SocialDemocrat61

(6,575 posts)
34. I did
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 11:37 PM
Sep 2024

and I stopped because he became increasingly right wing. His bashing of Hunter Biden was straight out of FAUX, just like his anti-vax BS.

Silent Type

(12,282 posts)
37. He's big time pro-Harris. Good enough for me right now. Guess you gotta be willing to take some disagreement
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 11:43 PM
Sep 2024

on some relatively minor issues.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,575 posts)
38. Dick Cheney is pro-Harris and that doesn't give him a pass either
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 02:09 AM
Sep 2024

And it’s not “relatively minor issues”. Maher is a sexist and a bigot. He pushes anti-vax bs, supports DeSantis’ LGBTQ and book bans and regularly attacks the left with right wing talking points. And I refuse to be a sycophantic apologist for a rich, privileged white male TV celebrity who thinks he’s right about everything.

BTW Maher is not “big time pro-Harris” and never has been:
https://okmagazine.com/p/bill-maher-pleads-joe-biden-dump-vp-kamala-harris-replace-nikki-haley-mitt-romney/#google_vignette
https://www.allsides.com/news/2024-08-24-0915/politics-bill-maher-slams-harris-avoiding-journalists-more-insulting-trump-s
https://www.aol.com/bill-maher-mocks-flip-flops-125442853.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-maher-trashes-kamala-harris-125227090.html



Cha

(316,140 posts)
26. And, Struck a Big Fat Nerve. TY for this.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:14 PM
Sep 2024

Last edited Mon Sep 23, 2024, 09:58 PM - Edit history (1)

What did SR say about Project 2025?

TY

aggiesal

(10,489 posts)
30. Here is the transcript as best I can do ...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 08:33 PM
Sep 2024

I will use quotes for actual statements

Bret Stephen: "Look most Americans realize that here we are, Joe Biden is the President of the United States. Kamala Harris is likely the next President of the United States. But the reason Trump has an enduring appeal on so many Americans is so many of us in the media, want to treat him, right, as absolutely beyond the pale. And you know how Trump supporters respond? By saying oh, yea, he's beyond the pale, I'm going to vote for him. We have done nothing but help Trump for the last 8 years."

Bill Maher: "So, that's how we should organize our political views, by what the idiots will do? And he is beyond the pale on this rhetoric question. I mean they both have things to say about the other person that are pretty big. That's politics, it's always done. There is only 1 side. There should be no false equivalency here, that uses the kind of rhetoric that they use. Like I remember Trumps, here it is dug it up, the tough people. I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military. And then he brings up the bikers, I have support of the bikers. Right, I think if you have the military and the police, I don't know if we're going to need the bikers, but OK."

"I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until the Democrats go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad.
This is Heritage Foundation President, that's like the number 1 Republican "

Stephanie Ruhle: "The King of Project 2025"

Bill Maher: "Yea, whoa, that's kind of a bull $h1t talking point 2025, but we don't have to go there now."

************************************************************
What am I missing here?
Stephanie is correct, the President of the Heritage Foundation is the "King" of Project 2025, they wrote and Trump will be implementing it. I say it's pretty much the Republican Platform.

Cha

(316,140 posts)
32. TY So Much, aggiesal!
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 09:57 PM
Sep 2024

It's Not a "bullshit talking point"... It 's Dead On. It's Bullshit to say it is.

LymphocyteLover

(9,198 posts)
14. EXACTLY!!! I wish more people would point this out. I was waiting for Ruhle to say Harris has a positions page
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:03 PM
Sep 2024

Stephens can look at.

Demobrat

(10,250 posts)
18. Really. I don't get it.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:20 PM
Sep 2024

That should be the response EVERY SINGLE TIME some moron comes up with this “I need more information” BS.

It’s all right there, nicely laid out in simple language. I don’t understand why she isn’t ending every ad with the web address on screen. Shut down this crap now.

littlemissmartypants

(31,066 posts)
21. Maybe we should offer to read it to them as it seems that they can't read it for themselves. ❤️
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:33 PM
Sep 2024

Demobrat

(10,250 posts)
24. That's actually not a bad idea.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:03 PM
Sep 2024

Perfect response: Her positions are all right there on her website. Would you like me to read it to you?

aggiesal

(10,489 posts)
15. I'm sure the laughter left a sting mark. ...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:08 PM
Sep 2024

Ruhle's remark about Nirvana, followed by Maher's comment about Stephen's being "... the dog that we're trying to get into the car to go to the vet", then Ruhle's saying the Stephen's was the informed undecided voter, was a rapid fire slap down of any undecided voter.
All 3 comments got major laughs.
Major ouch

ecstatic

(34,992 posts)
22. so in bret's mind, the NABJ interview wasn't a "real" interview?
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:40 PM
Sep 2024

Interesting.

I know his type.

Cosmocat

(15,326 posts)
39. Trump "concept of a plan"
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 03:24 AM
Sep 2024

He has been railing on "Obamacare" since he first began running for potus nearly decade ago, including his 4 years as potus and that was his response to what his plan was to replace it.

But, the "undecideds" big concern w Kamala is not knowing her plans?

We can't even begin to count the number of times Trump has pulled the "we have a plan coming out soon to address that" gambit w absolutely no follow up.

ECL213

(426 posts)
40. I'm an undecided voter.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 08:35 AM
Sep 2024

When Trump dies in prison, I haven't decided whether I will throw a party and get really drunk, or if I'll make a trek to the shitty golf motel where he is buried so I can piss on his grave, or both.

Probably both.

Biglinda 52

(120 posts)
44. I Really Think...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 10:01 AM
Sep 2024

that wanting to know more about her "policies" is just a modern day racist and misogynist dog whistle. The NYT and its ilk are no longer a credible source of information, so why should she give them an interview? My suggestion is to offer college senior journalism students the chance to interview. They would actually ask better questions.

TBF

(35,303 posts)
47. Both Bret and the NY Times are ridiculous at this point -
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:00 PM
Sep 2024

they did a feature on "undecided" voters which was laughable, and most of us told them so in their comment sections. You'd have to live under a rock to not know who Trump is. People are voting for him for one or two reasons - they are racist, misogynist low-lifes like him, or they are greedy uber-rich people who like his tax breaks (or both). That's it. Everyone else would rather vote for anyone else, and Kamala is actually not only a functioning human, but obviously very capable of running the country. "Need to know more about her policies" - I call BS on that. He's a Trump voter, and he's full of himself.

mucholderthandirt

(1,738 posts)
48. There are no undecided voters. That's a lie to hide they're voting for Trump, or not voting at all.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:08 PM
Sep 2024

They're ashamed to say either, or don't want to be made fun of. What's likely the most significant election in decades, just over a month out, everything's in the news, or on the web. No one hasn't seen it, unless they are deliberately avoiding seeing anything about Harris.

Sorry. This isn't 1974, when all we had was the TV and newspapers, with the occasional person who read Time magazine. Information is easy to find. It's out there, free. There are entire generations that grew up with the Internet.

Any people keep pushing Maher, Stephanie whoever, Ari whoever, Rachel whoever, as if these people are on our side. They are not. They are on the side of the people who pay their salaries. They flip and flop, say whatever it takes to keep people watching their shows, or reading their articles.

They are like Dick Cheney, who claims he'll vote for Harris, but will likely just pull that big R handle. He's only saying these things because it suits his political future. Same with Liz, same with that Adam guy who spoke at the convention. And, yet, they're still Republicans, they still support the party, which went off the rails due in part to people like the big Dick.

FUCK THEM ALL.

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