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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 05:21 PM Sep 2024

In a First, Young Men Are More Religious Than Young Women

https://dnyuz.com/2024/09/23/in-a-first-young-men-are-more-religious-than-young-women/

Grace Church, a Southern Baptist congregation, has not made a conscious effort to attract young men. It is an unremarkable size, and is in many ways an ordinary evangelical church. Yet its leaders have noticed for several years now that young men outnumber young women in their pews. When the church opened a small outpost in the nearby town of Robinson last year, 12 of the 16 young people regularly attending were men.

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The dynamics at Grace are a dramatic example of an emerging truth: For the first time in modern American history, young men are now more religious than their female peers. They attend services more often and are more likely to identify as religious.

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Arguments in other Christian institutions about women’s roles have been raging for decades. Some churches have cracked down in recent years on practices like women speaking from the pulpit. The theology of complementarianism, which asserts that men and women have some separate roles in marriage and church leadership, is resurgent. And many of these same churches are beginning to speak more openly about their conservative political convictions.

Young women, it seems, are moving past the debates — and out the church doors.

About two-thirds of women ages 18 to 29 say that “most churches and religious congregations” do not treat men and women equally, the Survey Center on American Life found.

Young women are asking more questions than their forebears, said Beth Allison Barr, an historian at Baylor. Her book “The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth” was a surprise best seller in 2021, sparking widespread conversations in conservative evangelical circles.

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In a First, Young Men Are More Religious Than Young Women (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2024 OP
Theyre attracted to religiosity, not spirituality. Karadeniz Sep 2024 #1
Quite a few are likely attracted to justifications in "controlling women" through religion... hlthe2b Sep 2024 #3
Not just religiosity, but tribalism n/t RidinWithHarris Sep 2024 #6
A tribe that... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #11
Religious. Begs a definition. dchill Sep 2024 #2
Run for your lives, girls!!! Coventina Sep 2024 #4
Probably shitheads praying for a woman. dem4decades Sep 2024 #5
Organized religion has been brutal to women. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #7
Amen Demovictory9 Sep 2024 #8
worshipping a mean and ugly male god who keeps women in their places nt msongs Sep 2024 #9
More than a hint that it is about control of women. (see Taliban) keithbvadu2 Sep 2024 #10
Women are leaving because they know religion subjugates them. alarimer Sep 2024 #12
What does most religion offer women? Diamond_Dog Sep 2024 #13
Religion and churches are incel heaven angrychair Sep 2024 #14
And a major American political party. Xavier Breath Sep 2024 #15
One word--incels. OK, that's an oversimplification... keep_left Sep 2024 #16
A new home for young MRAs. valleyrogue Sep 2024 #17
Religion makes you stupid. rockbluff botanist Sep 2024 #18
"...asking preacher man if Caine and Able had sex with their mother..." 3catwoman3 Sep 2024 #33
Young males want to believe these dumbass stories because the mythologies are male supremacist. Sky Jewels Sep 2024 #19
males created first, then female created from his rib to be his "help meet" BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 2024 #24
It's so fucking insulting. Sky Jewels Sep 2024 #25
Since when is "religious" equivalent to "christian?" jeffreyi Sep 2024 #20
Well, yes, but in the United States a big majority of "religious" people Sky Jewels Sep 2024 #26
There is an old song that goes" That's right women are smarter" - Even done by the Dead Ranting Randy Sep 2024 #21
Here's the Song: * Man Smart, Woman Smarter (Orchard Park, NY, 7/4/89) https://youtu.be/mqun85HYsVk Ranting Randy Sep 2024 #23
Probably the fact that so many churches want to take away women's bodily rights Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #22
I guess they are looking for 'obedient' wives. No back talking ladies. flying_wahini Sep 2024 #27
Yep they love the power churches Tree Lady Sep 2024 #28
Their type of religion subjugates women and makes us second class kimbutgar Sep 2024 #29
Ha-ha-ha. I have such a cynical mind. Baitball Blogger Sep 2024 #30
Patriarchy is fab! travelingthrulife Sep 2024 #31
Church is one of the only places left where they can hate and still be welcome. Iggo Sep 2024 #32
And most probably don't have a prayer of getting laid. Efilroft Sul Sep 2024 #34
My husband has a 19 yr old grandson who is the only child... 3catwoman3 Sep 2024 #35

hlthe2b

(114,315 posts)
3. Quite a few are likely attracted to justifications in "controlling women" through religion...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 05:25 PM
Sep 2024

a few might think it a good way to meet women and then there is the incel group drug there by Grandma to free up her basement for fumigating.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
12. Women are leaving because they know religion subjugates them.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:14 PM
Sep 2024

Men love to do the subjugating.

Religion is poison.

Diamond_Dog

(40,838 posts)
13. What does most religion offer women?
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:18 PM
Sep 2024

There’s the answer.

A life under the thumb of male patriarchy? Most young women are saying no thanks to that.

angrychair

(12,400 posts)
14. Religion and churches are incel heaven
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:32 PM
Sep 2024

A group that says that men are better than women, that men are more intelligent than women and women must submit to the will of a man is incel heaven.

keep_left

(3,214 posts)
16. One word--incels. OK, that's an oversimplification...
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 06:53 PM
Sep 2024

...but there's definitely a subculture of young men, particularly in Catholicism--and especially in the conservative-to-radtrad factions--where the incel (or, to coin a phrase, incel-adjacent) mentality is too obvious to be ignored. You find them predominantly online; however, most of the larger cities have an otherwise defunct parish that has been renovated to cater to the radtrad Latin Mass crowd, and those parishes tend to attract some pretty maladjusted, scruple-obsessed young male radtrads.

Some in the far-right media have noticed these trends and they are attempting to cater to the traddier-than-thou incels. The OAN network seems to be particularly interested in these topics lately.

valleyrogue

(2,769 posts)
17. A new home for young MRAs.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:03 PM
Sep 2024

The hatred many of these churches and denominations have for women, especially those of a dominionist bent, is attracting the woman-hating men.

rockbluff botanist

(360 posts)
18. Religion makes you stupid.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:19 PM
Sep 2024

I was 12 years old and I informed my mother I was not going to church ever again. I was not going to have a baptist (intentional lower case) preacher man try the to make me feel inferior to men any more. My dad backed me up. Needless to say, it made for a little tension in the home for a while.

I did get in trouble occasionally when preacher man came for Sunday dinner (that's lunch in the south). I do remember asking preacher man if Caine and Able had sex with their mother as there were no other females to procreate with.

Oh well, grounded again!

3catwoman3

(29,640 posts)
33. "...asking preacher man if Caine and Able had sex with their mother..."
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:43 PM
Sep 2024

I am laughing with delight at your story. Did the preacher man have an answer?

Both our sons attended Carthage College in Kenosha, WI. Carthage belongs to the CCIW athletic conference - College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin. Another member of the CCIW is Wheaton College, which is deeply and profoundly fundamental. Dancing was not allowed there until the late 1990s.

On its home pages, it states flat out that they believe that Adam and Eve are the founding parents of the whole human race. Surprisingly, they have a very large biology/medical science department.

I often fantasized about asking some of the biology professors to explain how the whole human race could have come from just Adam and Eve without some variety of incest, be it with their mother or sister(s) if there were some. There was no one else to mate with but Eve if she was the only female. What a bunch of malarkey.

I would have loved to hear their answers.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
19. Young males want to believe these dumbass stories because the mythologies are male supremacist.
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 07:23 PM
Sep 2024

According to the silly tales made up by primitive Middle Eastern goatherders, the all-powerful sky wizard takes a male primate form (just like humans on one little planet amongst trillions -- what an incredible coincidence!), and so is his magical carpenter "son." That makes Penis-Havers more important than Vagina-Havers! Gee, how convenient!

... What a steaming pantload!

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,695 posts)
24. males created first, then female created from his rib to be his "help meet"
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:15 AM
Sep 2024

that particular tale puts women permanently in 2nd class position.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
25. It's so fucking insulting.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:54 PM
Sep 2024

The women-hating Big Three monotheisms need to be tossed on the dustheap of history where they belong. They are poison.

I hope more and more women abandon ship. Women are the ones who do the vast majority of the dirty work in U.S. churches -- the menial stuff that keeps them running. I don't see many men stepping up to do things like clean the church basement kitchen after a potluck or staff the childcare during services and things like that. Hopefully the trend of churches closing nationwide will accelerate.

jeffreyi

(2,586 posts)
20. Since when is "religious" equivalent to "christian?"
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 08:17 PM
Sep 2024

Are there not other ways to be religious?

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
26. Well, yes, but in the United States a big majority of "religious" people
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:55 PM
Sep 2024

identify as some form of Christian.

Ranting Randy

(435 posts)
23. Here's the Song: * Man Smart, Woman Smarter (Orchard Park, NY, 7/4/89) https://youtu.be/mqun85HYsVk
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 10:01 PM
Sep 2024

Jack Valentino

(5,162 posts)
22. Probably the fact that so many churches want to take away women's bodily rights
Mon Sep 23, 2024, 10:00 PM
Sep 2024

doesn't help them any....

flying_wahini

(8,281 posts)
27. I guess they are looking for 'obedient' wives. No back talking ladies.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:02 PM
Sep 2024

No modern women need apply.

Tree Lady

(13,351 posts)
28. Yep they love the power churches
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:07 PM
Sep 2024

like that give them.

I just hope we can get enough men to win.

kimbutgar

(27,406 posts)
29. Their type of religion subjugates women and makes us second class
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:09 PM
Sep 2024

No friggin way and I going back to be second class and under the thumb of a man! And you have to wonder if these churches are recruiting grounds for the proud boys and those other men with small penises groups who are anti woman not wanting to admit they are gay!

My first husband was that type of guy who I divorced and now happily married for over 35 years to a man who treats me equally!

Baitball Blogger

(52,580 posts)
30. Ha-ha-ha. I have such a cynical mind.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:13 PM
Sep 2024

Hard righties are probably having no luck finding suitable dates, because young women are avoiding them. So they're resorting to the churches to find those Trad wives.

Iggo

(49,997 posts)
32. Church is one of the only places left where they can hate and still be welcome.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:30 PM
Sep 2024

Hate the poor? Hate women? Hate immigrants? Hate the Northern Aggressors?

Right this way, young man.

Efilroft Sul

(4,441 posts)
34. And most probably don't have a prayer of getting laid.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:46 PM
Sep 2024

The young women neither want nor need their male-first shit.

3catwoman3

(29,640 posts)
35. My husband has a 19 yr old grandson who is the only child...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:49 PM
Sep 2024

...of his son from his first marriage. At a family gathering in August, it came to light that this grandson is a Trump supporter. His parents are horrified. They consider themselves independents, politically, and despise Trump.

He identifies as a Christian, and wears a very large crucifix around his neck.

His parents think this happened when he went to off to college last fall. He attends the University of North Dakota.

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