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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou know what? If it really proves to be close when the results are in, I'm going to lose faith in humanity.
It shouldn't be close. It should be a landslide for Kamala of the type of Johnson-Goldwater; Nixon-McGovern; Mondale-Reagan (which is not to imply the last two results were a good things; they measured a route to the disaster of 2016.)
I don't think it will be, but if it is, I'm really going to have to question my faith in humanity. That orange guy is one of the worst people in the history of the world.
JustAnotherGen
(38,057 posts)My faith in Americans.
Irish_Dem
(81,359 posts)But the joy, beauty, creativity, love bonds of humans, is also apparent.
The fight between good and evil is the iconic human condition.
This is just the reality of human existence, like it or not.
For as long as humans are on this planet, the fight is ongoing.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)But they were. This is the reality in which we currently live.
lees1975
(7,046 posts)Personally, I'm thinking 2008 is where this is headed, 53-45, 54-44, somewhere in there, with Harris picking up north of 350 electoral votes. But I've heard a couple of sources on podcasts predicting Johnson-Goldwater numbers.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)The predictions I've seen in the 350 range all have serious flaws. Most are just wishful thinking with no factual basis. Coincidentally, one was saying that certain states were in play for no reason other than that they were in play in 2008. It ain't 2008 anymore.
I think people are fooling themselves if they think this is going to be a blowout. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see it, at least not yet. I think Harris ultimately wins, but the swing states are much too close for my liking.
NNadir
(38,088 posts)...they did then. The emergence of the term "sane washing" says a lot.
NNadir
(38,088 posts)...polls are consistently bad in modern times, but given the obvious intellectual deterioration of Trump (the starting point was not impressive; he was always a amoral fool) the polls had better wrong.
sarisataka
(22,696 posts)a 10 point popular vote win is possible, but I wouldn't call it probable.
Predicting 350 Electoral votes has no basis in reality. If Harris were to win every state that is a toss-up today, she would only be at 319. Johnson had 486 Electoral votes. At that point we might as well predict a 50-state sweep again since we are just making things up.
Xavier Breath
(6,644 posts)For me that horse is out of the barn, down the road and galloping away two states over.
maxsolomon
(38,749 posts)November 2000, IIRC. When I realized my father was lost to the Right Wing Noise Machine. He was only a bit older than I am now.
It's going to be extremely close in the cursed EC, but a bigger margin than '20 in the popular vote.
lees1975
(7,046 posts)And I question how it is that in a supposedly educated Democracy like the United States, someone like Trump could gather a following at all. We aren't as educated as we like to think, obviously, and I guess we pay for what we haven't invested in education by elections like this one.
But I really think we're being deceived into thinking it is a lot closer than it really is.
Tree Lady
(13,284 posts)have worked for years to screw up the voting system. If we voted clearly by fair area maps we would have congress. And because we don't have people ride for days on a horse to vote for us we don't need the electoral system either. If we voted on popular vote I believe we would win most of the time.
Prairie Gates
(8,182 posts)republianmushroom
(22,336 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,992 posts)Its always going to be close no matter who runs. I dont think were ever going to see one of those massive landslides again.
NNadir
(38,088 posts)...of which I am willing to approve in hopes that we can change the 2018 in your moniker to 2024.
Right now we're living in the present that will become a past. Let us hope that the present in November is a happy one.
Humanity has thrilled me at times; and obviously there are times when humanity leaves one in despair.
iemanja
(57,760 posts)If Trump wins, I'm not leaving my house.
sarisataka
(22,696 posts)Harris will win the popular vote but by less than we would like. I am betting the winner of the Electoral vote will get less than 280 votes; I believe it will be Harris, but all it would take is for one state to slip away if it is that close...