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NNadir

(38,088 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:25 PM Sep 2024

You know what? If it really proves to be close when the results are in, I'm going to lose faith in humanity.

It shouldn't be close. It should be a landslide for Kamala of the type of Johnson-Goldwater; Nixon-McGovern; Mondale-Reagan (which is not to imply the last two results were a good things; they measured a route to the disaster of 2016.)

I don't think it will be, but if it is, I'm really going to have to question my faith in humanity. That orange guy is one of the worst people in the history of the world.

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You know what? If it really proves to be close when the results are in, I'm going to lose faith in humanity. (Original Post) NNadir Sep 2024 OP
I'll question JustAnotherGen Sep 2024 #1
Humans have a very dark underbelly. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #2
Prepare for a close race. The last two shouldn't have been close, either. TwilightZone Sep 2024 #3
Listen to some independent media sources for a while, you'll be encouraged. lees1975 Sep 2024 #4
There's no evidence at this point supporting a blowout. TwilightZone Sep 2024 #5
It ain't 2016 or 2020 anymore either. The guy is obviously certifiably insane, and few are working to cover it as... NNadir Sep 2024 #7
I know the soothsaying is all over the place; and as Hartmann has pointed out in videos posted here, the soothsaying... NNadir Sep 2024 #6
Fantasy sarisataka Sep 2024 #18
Going to? Xavier Breath Sep 2024 #8
I lost faith in Americans years ago. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #9
It shouldn't be close. lees1975 Sep 2024 #10
It's only close because the republicans Tree Lady Sep 2024 #11
It's going to be really close Prairie Gates Sep 2024 #12
Yup, no question about it, dumb. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #13
You have faith in humanity? BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2024 #14
Sometimes. Of course, it's subject to questioning. However, in so remarking, you have an interesting screen name... NNadir Sep 2024 #15
I don't care if it's close as long as Harris wins iemanja Sep 2024 #16
Spoiler- it's going to be close sarisataka Sep 2024 #17
America is not the whole of humanity, fortunately. Solly Mack Sep 2024 #19

Irish_Dem

(81,359 posts)
2. Humans have a very dark underbelly.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:33 PM
Sep 2024

But the joy, beauty, creativity, love bonds of humans, is also apparent.

The fight between good and evil is the iconic human condition.

This is just the reality of human existence, like it or not.
For as long as humans are on this planet, the fight is ongoing.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
3. Prepare for a close race. The last two shouldn't have been close, either.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:35 PM
Sep 2024

But they were. This is the reality in which we currently live.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
4. Listen to some independent media sources for a while, you'll be encouraged.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:37 PM
Sep 2024

Personally, I'm thinking 2008 is where this is headed, 53-45, 54-44, somewhere in there, with Harris picking up north of 350 electoral votes. But I've heard a couple of sources on podcasts predicting Johnson-Goldwater numbers.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
5. There's no evidence at this point supporting a blowout.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:41 PM
Sep 2024

The predictions I've seen in the 350 range all have serious flaws. Most are just wishful thinking with no factual basis. Coincidentally, one was saying that certain states were in play for no reason other than that they were in play in 2008. It ain't 2008 anymore.

I think people are fooling themselves if they think this is going to be a blowout. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see it, at least not yet. I think Harris ultimately wins, but the swing states are much too close for my liking.

NNadir

(38,088 posts)
7. It ain't 2016 or 2020 anymore either. The guy is obviously certifiably insane, and few are working to cover it as...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:50 PM
Sep 2024

...they did then. The emergence of the term "sane washing" says a lot.

NNadir

(38,088 posts)
6. I know the soothsaying is all over the place; and as Hartmann has pointed out in videos posted here, the soothsaying...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:49 PM
Sep 2024

...polls are consistently bad in modern times, but given the obvious intellectual deterioration of Trump (the starting point was not impressive; he was always a amoral fool) the polls had better wrong.

sarisataka

(22,696 posts)
18. Fantasy
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 04:30 PM
Sep 2024

a 10 point popular vote win is possible, but I wouldn't call it probable.

Predicting 350 Electoral votes has no basis in reality. If Harris were to win every state that is a toss-up today, she would only be at 319. Johnson had 486 Electoral votes. At that point we might as well predict a 50-state sweep again since we are just making things up.

Xavier Breath

(6,644 posts)
8. Going to?
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 12:54 PM
Sep 2024

For me that horse is out of the barn, down the road and galloping away two states over.

maxsolomon

(38,749 posts)
9. I lost faith in Americans years ago.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:16 PM
Sep 2024

November 2000, IIRC. When I realized my father was lost to the Right Wing Noise Machine. He was only a bit older than I am now.

It's going to be extremely close in the cursed EC, but a bigger margin than '20 in the popular vote.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
10. It shouldn't be close.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:24 PM
Sep 2024

And I question how it is that in a supposedly educated Democracy like the United States, someone like Trump could gather a following at all. We aren't as educated as we like to think, obviously, and I guess we pay for what we haven't invested in education by elections like this one.

But I really think we're being deceived into thinking it is a lot closer than it really is.

Tree Lady

(13,284 posts)
11. It's only close because the republicans
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:32 PM
Sep 2024

have worked for years to screw up the voting system. If we voted clearly by fair area maps we would have congress. And because we don't have people ride for days on a horse to vote for us we don't need the electoral system either. If we voted on popular vote I believe we would win most of the time.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,992 posts)
14. You have faith in humanity?
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 04:13 PM
Sep 2024

It’s always going to be close no matter who runs. I don’t think we’re ever going to see one of those massive landslides again.

NNadir

(38,088 posts)
15. Sometimes. Of course, it's subject to questioning. However, in so remarking, you have an interesting screen name...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 04:19 PM
Sep 2024

...of which I am willing to approve in hopes that we can change the 2018 in your moniker to 2024.

Right now we're living in the present that will become a past. Let us hope that the present in November is a happy one.

Humanity has thrilled me at times; and obviously there are times when humanity leaves one in despair.

iemanja

(57,760 posts)
16. I don't care if it's close as long as Harris wins
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 04:20 PM
Sep 2024

If Trump wins, I'm not leaving my house.

sarisataka

(22,696 posts)
17. Spoiler- it's going to be close
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 04:24 PM
Sep 2024

Harris will win the popular vote but by less than we would like. I am betting the winner of the Electoral vote will get less than 280 votes; I believe it will be Harris, but all it would take is for one state to slip away if it is that close...

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