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senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:36 PM Sep 2024

OMG They just reported on Hayes show that authorities are asking

people who are in the path of Helene to write their names and date of birth in permanent marker on their bodies for easy identification if the worst happens.

Maybe some of you are used to this, but I'm from CA have never heard of it. Good luck, everyone who might be in harm's way tonight.

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OMG They just reported on Hayes show that authorities are asking (Original Post) senseandsensibility Sep 2024 OP
They are asking this snowybirdie Sep 2024 #1
Could be stupider. They could write their SSN on their forehead. Identity thief's paradise! PeaceWave Sep 2024 #25
I'm betting there are a lot of people who can't evacuate. 1WorldHope Sep 2024 #26
Yeah, it's said like it's easy. Alpeduez21 Sep 2024 #42
We need to spend as much time and money on wnylib Sep 2024 #54
Evacuation is definitely a problem for low income FirstLight Sep 2024 #55
I read elsewhere (sorry, no link) WhiteTara Sep 2024 #76
There are a lot of big shelters set up radical noodle Sep 2024 #80
I remember wryter2000 Sep 2024 #104
Yes, I am sure there are PatSeg Sep 2024 #90
Yes & can't do it all leighbythesea2 Sep 2024 #99
Thank you! drmeow Sep 2024 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Island Blue Sep 2024 #57
Yep -- Maybe They're Hoping It'll Get Through To The Idiots While They Still Have A Chance To Retreat nt smb Sep 2024 #97
If you refuse to evacuate they need to be able to malaise Sep 2024 #2
Yes, it is necessary. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #65
In Florida, it costs nothing to evacuate. jimfields33 Sep 2024 #102
Yes my beloved Treasure Island posted MotownPgh Sep 2024 #103
If that's the case, I'm glad to hear it. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #105
That's what tattoos are for. That's why they were almost universal among sailors in wooden ship days. eppur_se_muova Sep 2024 #106
Makes sense malaise Sep 2024 #108
It's already very bad orangecrush Sep 2024 #3
My cousin lives in Tampa area Marthe48 Sep 2024 #37
Glad she is o.k.! orangecrush Sep 2024 #59
Thanks! Marthe48 Sep 2024 #61
They've done it here after Katrina. The sheriff told Galveston to write their names and dob and SS# on their ... marble falls Sep 2024 #4
Ike was bad Blue_Roses Sep 2024 #48
Hurricanes and Galveston have mixed it up a lot and Ike whammied the island good ... marble falls Sep 2024 #51
this made me think of what my great grandfather did orleans Sep 2024 #63
Family stories and the facts! Mine is that all my life my dad gave me all sorts of stories of our family ... marble falls Sep 2024 #66
that's funny. we also had a native american story that was passed down a few generations orleans Sep 2024 #82
I had a huge amount of empathy for Elizebeth Warren. And took some heat over here, believe it or not ... marble falls Sep 2024 #89
empathy -- yes, i had a ton of empathy for warren over her family stories as well. (especially since i could relate) orleans Sep 2024 #92
I used to go stay with them every summer for a couple of weeks. The place was filled with every kind of fruit ... marble falls Sep 2024 #94
"You white people are all Cherokee" Blue_Roses Sep 2024 #85
I still chuckle about it. More than 45 years ago. marble falls Sep 2024 #88
This storm was unimaginable Blue_Roses Sep 2024 #84
Amazing story. It changed the entire island. They raised the level of the island by 10 feet. A lot of the victims ... marble falls Sep 2024 #87
People did this in Katrina... AKwannabe Sep 2024 #5
Not everyone has the means to leave. MLF1981 Sep 2024 #17
Thank you cally Sep 2024 #24
There were free shelters set up. They were giving the info out so you could find the closest one to you. You Pisces Sep 2024 #53
Fer sure! AKwannabe Sep 2024 #71
They could move further inland Dem4life1234 Sep 2024 #72
I'm righteously hurt sad and helpless when people choose to not save themselves AKwannabe Sep 2024 #73
So AKwannabe Sep 2024 #69
So, you have options Cirsium Sep 2024 #100
Migrants walk hundreds of miles Kaleva Sep 2024 #78
Before Katrina BOSSHOG Sep 2024 #6
I recall reading about this around the time of Katrina Retrograde Sep 2024 #7
Californai earthquakes homegirl Sep 2024 #20
That's a very clever way to communicate to people the gravity of the situation. mucifer Sep 2024 #8
Ohh... Hope they Get Out of the Path! My sister and her family are in Asheville.. Cha Sep 2024 #9
Sending positive vibes to your sister, Cha! senseandsensibility Sep 2024 #11
Mahalo! It's just so weird that a hurricane Cha Sep 2024 #14
That's the point carpetbagger Sep 2024 #35
TY.. Cha Sep 2024 #45
Hope all is well, Cha. peggysue2 Sep 2024 #13
Mahalo, PeggySue... As Do I! Cha Sep 2024 #15
I hope that your sister and her family are safe and well. MLF1981 Sep 2024 #21
Wow... what a Visual of what happened Cha Sep 2024 #33
Asheville LSue Sep 2024 #23
Good for you, LSue! TY for that report from Cha Sep 2024 #36
Thinking of you and your sister cally Sep 2024 #27
Mahalo, cally! Earthquakes are Horrible Natual Disasters.. Cha Sep 2024 #38
Sending good vibes for your family to stay safe riversedge Sep 2024 #28
Mahalo, rivers! Cha Sep 2024 #39
Sending positive vibes that they got out and are fine. LoisB Sep 2024 #32
Mahalo, LoisB! Cha Sep 2024 #40
I didn't know your sister and family were in the path as well. sheshe2 Sep 2024 #34
I know, she! It's incredble that Cindy and Cha Sep 2024 #44
This storm is immense. sheshe2 Sep 2024 #52
Thank You, she... I am Cha Sep 2024 #58
I know you are sweetie. sheshe2 Sep 2024 #62
Ye gods... I was at the Tampa Airport last year at this time. Cha Sep 2024 #68
I remember that you were there in Sept. sheshe2 Sep 2024 #70
Glad your niece and her husband got back Cha Sep 2024 #75
OMG. sheshe2 Sep 2024 #77
I will, she... I was planning to.. Cha Sep 2024 #81
I remember hearing that in coverage of past hurricanes pertaining to people who refused mandatory evacuation orders. Sogo Sep 2024 #10
That's an old line SCantiGOP Sep 2024 #12
It's not just a "line" - and it is serious TBF Sep 2024 #29
They should send their magic markers to Trump. sellitman Sep 2024 #16
We were in Hurricane Katrina AverageOldGuy Sep 2024 #18
We were fortunate to stay BOSSHOG Sep 2024 #31
A drowned body is swelled, bloated and unrecognizable. What a horrific way to die. PeaceWave Sep 2024 #19
They do that for every big one when fools won't evacuate Warpy Sep 2024 #22
My granddaughter Figarosmom Sep 2024 #30
My families flight out of Tampa was canceled at 8am they knew last night it would Historic NY Sep 2024 #41
I just read that request was in Taylor County pop of 20,000 under mandatory evacuation and the sheriff thought about MLAA Sep 2024 #43
That's a lot of people left in harm's way. WestMichRad Sep 2024 #46
Taylor County is getting the eyewall right now unc70 Sep 2024 #56
There's a guy live on TikTok who lives in south FL, Sarasota C Moon Sep 2024 #47
The real danger is when... WestMichRad Sep 2024 #49
People have been told to treat this like a tornado malaise Sep 2024 #50
God be with you all and President Carter tonite. roamer65 Sep 2024 #60
They did that when Hurricane Ike was headed for Galveston TexasBushwhacker Sep 2024 #64
May all be safe. May all be safe. May all be safe. Hekate Sep 2024 #67
That would be us on the pets/livestock/horses question Bayard Sep 2024 #74
The media ripped Karen Blanco over his he same remark in 2005 RandySF Sep 2024 #79
That announcement was to get folks to evacuate Sancho Sep 2024 #83
First time I heard of this was with Katrina. usedtobedemgurl Sep 2024 #86
Not uncommon at all when people refuse to leave an evac zone. Ruby the Liberal Sep 2024 #91
I feel for all of you in Helene's path. Clouds Passing Sep 2024 #93
A Floridian tip, if you use indelible markers, you don't have to do it so often. jaxexpat Sep 2024 #95
Yeah, I'm in CA too, and all this is "new" and "WTF?" to me. 4lbs Sep 2024 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2024 #98
Triathlons Jimbo S Sep 2024 #101
I'm sorry for those who can't get out of any situation. I think the government could be doing more. mucholderthandirt Sep 2024 #107
I have heard of this, but not very often! Yikes. And of course, be safe all. I do have friends in FL and will check SWBTATTReg Sep 2024 #109

PeaceWave

(3,383 posts)
25. Could be stupider. They could write their SSN on their forehead. Identity thief's paradise!
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:20 PM
Sep 2024

Alpeduez21

(2,054 posts)
42. Yeah, it's said like it's easy.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:57 PM
Sep 2024

It costs money to evacuate. It takes time and planning. It could take twice as much time and money as was planned for or affordable. Once you leave you can't return until the authorities tell you it's ok to return. There is A LOT to consider and pay for when evacuating. What about pets? No shelter or hotel/motel will allow them. What if you're disabled in some way, too?

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
54. We need to spend as much time and money on
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:24 PM
Sep 2024

evacuating danger zones as on rescue work afterward.

Governors declare a state of emergency in advance in order to get preparations made for the aftermath. Those emergency preparations should include evacuation and shelter BEFORE the disaster hits.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
55. Evacuation is definitely a problem for low income
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:26 PM
Sep 2024

When we were evac3d due to the Caldor Fire, I had to do GoFundMe and beg, borrow, and steal to manage for 14 days...it wasn't a vacation!

And with the fire we had no choice, they were forcing evacuation.

Sending much protection to those who were forced to stay behind 🥺😬

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
76. I read elsewhere (sorry, no link)
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:42 AM
Sep 2024

FEMA and NFL were teaming up to use stadiums. I remember the Astrodome of Katrina fame. It made me go hmmm,

radical noodle

(10,595 posts)
80. There are a lot of big shelters set up
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:16 AM
Sep 2024

and many allow pets. There are even shelters for those with special needs. I've even seen posts from people inland with farms who offer to take in farm-type animals for those who have had to evacuate.

People who don't have transportation to shelters or are disabled can call emergency services for help, but they have to do it during preparation time and not wait until the hurricane is on top of them.


PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
90. Yes, I am sure there are
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 09:32 AM
Sep 2024

It is easy to criticize people who don't evacuate without knowing their circumstances. There have been times in my life when I would not have had the money, transportation, or resources to evacuate.

leighbythesea2

(1,291 posts)
99. Yes & can't do it all
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:47 PM
Sep 2024

Was in Georges in the Keys in ‘98. Felt like a dummy, but here’s how that went:
Lived on a key between Big Pine & Key West.
Rental.
I worked in Key West, & was required to prepare the business I worked for. (School)
My SO worked in Marathon, somewhat, (was in business with a friend who had a ton to secure) but had his own business out of our house, as primary.

So we each went opposite directions to prep.
Then Prepped our rental. (Our neighbors were the landlords, older folks)
Took the boat out of water & tied it to a tree.
Secured other parts of our water-based business—outdoor stuff, buildings, equipment.
Looking back this took days-it was way more than I expected.
Missed the window to get onto, & off US 1, to get out of there. They closed it.
It’s a game of “how much loss can I suffer fiscally” & “how many flying projectiles will I subject my neighbors to” to “I’d like to be the hell out of here “, that can be hard to judge.
I was SO so sorry to have stayed—thru a 2.
& forget about afterward, we finally got out 4 days after.
Weeks to get back, 6 weeks later it’s still a disaster zone, months+ later you haven’t recouped the financial loss.
But I’m not sorry we helped our neighbors. They lost their roof, & their boat sank. & our friends business in marathon, he lost months of business income, but less physical property bc of people helping. Learned to leave tho, cat 2, 3, 4, 5–just GO.

drmeow

(5,989 posts)
110. Thank you!
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 06:50 PM
Sep 2024

I was going to say that. If someone can't pay to fill their tank, how are they supposed to evacuate?

Response to snowybirdie (Reply #1)

smb

(3,598 posts)
97. Yep -- Maybe They're Hoping It'll Get Through To The Idiots While They Still Have A Chance To Retreat nt
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 11:51 AM
Sep 2024

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
65. Yes, it is necessary.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:07 PM
Sep 2024

Some foolishly refuse to evacuate...and some are are unable to do so.

In some of the other comments, people have pointed out that evacuation is not always easy or even feasible for some, which is really unfortunate.

Deliberately not evacuating is not smart, but my heart goes out to those who don't have the money, lack transportation, or have other barriers to evacuating.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
102. In Florida, it costs nothing to evacuate.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 02:10 PM
Sep 2024

The state pays Uber to take anybody to a shelter. The shelter is free. And they accept pets in some of the shelters. I didn’t hear a peep about shelters being full. So…. No excuse!

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
105. If that's the case, I'm glad to hear it.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 03:10 PM
Sep 2024

I don't live in hurricane country and don't have any personal experience with these things. I was just going by what others, some of whom have been in situations like this, were saying last night (see the thread starting with reply #26).

To me, "evacuate" means "get completely out of the area," i.e. travel, possibly hundreds of miles. I still don't really understand how anyplace (i.e., a shelter) can be safe in an area where a hurricane is coming through.

Please pardon my ignorance. All of this is completely outside my experience.

eppur_se_muova

(41,942 posts)
106. That's what tattoos are for. That's why they were almost universal among sailors in wooden ship days.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 03:23 PM
Sep 2024

Soldiers and prisoners also faced the possibility that they might die violent deaths far from home and anyone who could identify their remains -- or even spoke their language. A picturesque tattoo might be recalled even years later, even by hostile strangers who saw only a bloated, waterlogged, sun-baked corpse with no recognizable face. Just a fact of life (and death) for some back in those days.

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
3. It's already very bad
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:40 PM
Sep 2024


Listening on scanner Manatee FL fire and emergency.

Trapped in flooding houses, fires, gas leaks, complete structure failures.

I'm listening to https://scannerradio.app/?l=NzUwMTY

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
37. My cousin lives in Tampa area
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:48 PM
Sep 2024

I just heard from her. Her power is out and the storm went east of the predicted path, so it's worse than she thought it'd be. She sais she is okay. She said it might become a Cat 5.

marble falls

(71,929 posts)
4. They've done it here after Katrina. The sheriff told Galveston to write their names and dob and SS# on their ...
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:42 PM
Sep 2024

... chests and one arm. "If you decide to ride it out, we want to know who you are when we have to recover your corpse." It was to get people to leave before Ike hit. It works.

Blue_Roses

(13,879 posts)
48. Ike was bad
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:08 PM
Sep 2024

We had just visited Galveston 2 weeks before Ike hit. I couldn't believe the damage it did, especially to that old bar that extended off shore. It demolished it. So sad.

marble falls

(71,929 posts)
51. Hurricanes and Galveston have mixed it up a lot and Ike whammied the island good ...
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:17 PM
Sep 2024

... If you'd like to read a harrowing story -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

orleans

(36,919 posts)
63. this made me think of what my great grandfather did
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:49 PM
Sep 2024

he was from england and his wife was from scotland. they came to america with their kids when their kids were preteens and teenagers

he told people he was born in texas and his birth record was destroyed in the galveston hurricane/flood of 1900.

i don't recall the specific reason he used to tell people what he told them other than he didn't want people to find out he wasn't born in america -- he never applied for citizenship b/c he "was born in texas"

it was a "wink wink, nudge nudge" story that his kids and grandkids (who were all in on the secret) would joke about. "sure, grandpa was born in texas"

my mom (one of his grandkids) explained all this to me when i was working on a family history years ago. another weird part was that some relatives (cousins and second cousins) believed the lie about texas.

nothing of my great grandfather's was destroyed in the 1900 galveston hurricane. i was able to get both his birth certificate from england and his wife's from scotland



marble falls

(71,929 posts)
66. Family stories and the facts! Mine is that all my life my dad gave me all sorts of stories of our family ...
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:09 PM
Sep 2024

... that we had Cherokee ancestry. He had very specific stories and names and places. When I learning Mechanical Drawing, there was another student, a native American, I think Sioux. I told him I had native blood. He asked me what tribe, telling me if I were at least a 1/16th I might want to be enrolled in a tribe. I told him Cherokee. He started laughing and hard. "You white people - you're all part Cherokee."

Many years later my wife (who also had stories from her family about native ancestry) and I did the Ancestory.com analysis. We both have absolutely no native American DNA. My wife does have 1-2% Sub-Saharan Bantu DNA. Her mother about had a coronary. Both our families came to the US through Baltimore in the first half of the 1740s.

orleans

(36,919 posts)
82. that's funny. we also had a native american story that was passed down a few generations
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 02:20 AM
Sep 2024

it wasn't cherokee but i can't remember which one, but other than having an uncle who had a friendship/connection with black hawk who gave him a lot of land, (most of which this uncle donated to the government), there was no native american background that i could find. my daughter took a dna test -- there was nothing that was connected with that family legend. when elizabeth warren went thru all that business i definitely understood how her family believed it to true; mine did too.

marble falls

(71,929 posts)
89. I had a huge amount of empathy for Elizebeth Warren. And took some heat over here, believe it or not ...
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 08:34 AM
Sep 2024

... defending her having been misled by family "oral history"

My dad's dad was a pot stirrer, I think it is possible that he passed the stories to p.o. people.

His sister, my Aunt Vida married a Mexican in the 1930's Akron, Ohio, Christobal Grenadas. They were protohippies. They were into Buddhism, and art and mysticism (Rosicrucians), had the first organic gardens I ever saw and sold produce to selected customers. Christo was an amazing person, more native American than Hispanic. He told me once that his people ate so many chilies that if one of them might die in the wilderness, that the buzzards would not touch the body. There is a book that needs to be written about him. He worked at the Firestone plant shoveling coal into boilers and furnaces for 20 years before he retired. The story about how he got here is great.

My grandfather would take him with him occasionally to the beer joints in Kenmore just to start fights. After Vida died in her eighties, he in his nineties had two women come live with him. At my dad's funeral, Christo (almost at 100_, told me he needed two: one to work, one for the bedroom. He had the same deep almost black eyes, his biceps still a knotted oak root. There was only a lite dusting of white in his black hair. And sharp as a tack. Christo was one good hombre.

He would sponsor MDs to the US to do their residency every year and would support them and their families, giving them rent, and fresh and canned food. Vida and he were maybe the people I respected and loved more than anyone else I knew.

orleans

(36,919 posts)
92. empathy -- yes, i had a ton of empathy for warren over her family stories as well. (especially since i could relate)
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 10:08 AM
Sep 2024

interesting story about your uncle christo.

marble falls

(71,929 posts)
94. I used to go stay with them every summer for a couple of weeks. The place was filled with every kind of fruit ...
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 10:23 AM
Sep 2024

... tree, berry bushes, grew the best sweet corn and tomatoes and he taught me about tools and working. Gave me my first Spanish lessons.

For breakfast he'd have a glass of milk with an egg stirred into it with a a couple of drops of vanilla. Never ate a minutes fresh egg raw before.

Blue_Roses

(13,879 posts)
84. This storm was unimaginable
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 06:13 AM
Sep 2024

My grandparents lived in Galveston and me and my sister used to go spend summers with them. We had one that came through named Cecilia and it was tracking to hit Galveston, but turned west and ended up hitting Corpus Christi as a cat 3. It did alot of damage, so we dodged a bullet.

My grandmother had told me about the storm of 1900 and I was so fascinated that I researched it. It was heart-breaking. So many memories as kid...

marble falls

(71,929 posts)
87. Amazing story. It changed the entire island. They raised the level of the island by 10 feet. A lot of the victims ...
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 08:01 AM
Sep 2024

... are in that 10 feet as fill.

MLF1981

(211 posts)
17. Not everyone has the means to leave.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:03 PM
Sep 2024

I know that if I were living on the Gulf Coast right now, which I have in the past, I wouldn't be able to evacuate to anywhere, because I simply don't have the money for price-gouged gas and a couple of nights (at least) in a hotel room.

cally

(21,868 posts)
24. Thank you
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:20 PM
Sep 2024

I get very angry when I do not see any help for folks who cannot leave whether economic, physical disabiities, or nowhere to go. Folks need help evacuating!

Pisces

(6,235 posts)
53. There were free shelters set up. They were giving the info out so you could find the closest one to you. You
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:22 PM
Sep 2024

Could also move inland a few miles and ride it out in your car so you don’t drown in the flooding.

Dem4life1234

(2,533 posts)
72. They could move further inland
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:43 PM
Sep 2024

And stop voting for jackasses who don't believe in climate change or at least support blue.

AKwannabe

(6,890 posts)
73. I'm righteously hurt sad and helpless when people choose to not save themselves
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:44 PM
Sep 2024

Hitching
Hitchhiking
ANYTHING

Cirsium

(3,943 posts)
100. So, you have options
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:51 PM
Sep 2024

You have options, or you imagine that you would, and you just can't imagine not having options.

Sick, crippled, poor, alone...

How about not being white and having to evacuate into all white areas? You can't imagine any of this?

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
78. Migrants walk hundreds of miles
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:52 AM
Sep 2024

Carrying what they can on their backs. Many sleep in the open and they face all kinds of hardships. All for a dream that may not come to fruitition.

When the cost of a motel is a higher priority then the lives and safety of a person's loved ones, then maybe one ought to take a good hard look at what is truly important to them

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
6. Before Katrina
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
Sep 2024

I recall a sheriff on TV telling people who may choose not to evacuate in blunt terms to put their social security number on their arms. Something to the effect to make it easy for us to identify your body when we find it.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
7. I recall reading about this around the time of Katrina
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
Sep 2024

It's a way of identifying bodies after a disaster, although I don't know how most permanent markers will hold up to several days in the water. It sounds ghoulish, but there are some reasons: 1) surviving relatives can know what has happened to their loved one, and it may save them the additional trauma of looking at decomposing bodies 2) it's the authorities essentially saying 'we gave you warning, we told you to leave, you're on your own now.

Here in California, high casualty disasters are more likely to be earthquakes, and prep time for those is minimal.

homegirl

(1,965 posts)
20. Californai earthquakes
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:09 PM
Sep 2024

Here in CA we all have a system in place to make that one phone call to a family member or friend to inform other family members and friends that we are OK.
I taught my 12 year old when we moved to California.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
9. Ohh... Hope they Get Out of the Path! My sister and her family are in Asheville..
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:51 PM
Sep 2024

I haven't been able to reach her.

Helene's path includes urban areas like Tallahassee, Florida, and Atlanta, as well as Asheville, North Carolina, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
14. Mahalo! It's just so weird that a hurricane
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:59 PM
Sep 2024

is in Asheville, NC. I used to live there in the '70s... it's so inland practically in the Mountains!

carpetbagger

(5,484 posts)
35. That's the point
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:43 PM
Sep 2024

Narrow hollows and watersheds can't take as much rain as the Coastal Plain.

MLF1981

(211 posts)
21. I hope that your sister and her family are safe and well.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:09 PM
Sep 2024

I'm not too far from her, I'm in East Tennessee. Luckily I live on top of a mountain, so I'm not likely to get the worst of it, but I saw the top of a mountain flood when I was living in WV in 2004 and Hurricane Ivan decided to stall right over where I lived. We got 12 inches of rain into already saturated ground in 6 hours. The entire damn mountain flooded, washed roads out everywhere, TONS of trees down, and some of these were 200-300 year old oaks and sycamores, and just generally destroyed everything. The people down the holler got it way worse, entire communities were almost wiped out. Fingers crossed that Southern Appalachia doesn't get hit that bad this time...

Cha

(319,079 posts)
33. Wow... what a Visual of what happened
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:34 PM
Sep 2024

at the mountain top in WV!

Hope Everyone is safe for you and your family this time around.. and for those in .Southern Appalachia.



LSue

(4 posts)
23. Asheville
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:17 PM
Sep 2024

I am in Asheville, and have not lost electricity. Some lower areas have flooding, and people
should move to a better place.
Higher wind is expected tomorrow.
It's been raining since yesterday, not totally related to the hurricane.
Tonight's weather will become part of the larger storm.
I was able to go out and get take out.
Some people don't listen, and try to drive through flooded streets.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
36. Good for you, LSue! TY for that report from
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:46 PM
Sep 2024

Asheville!.

I don't know why I haven't heard back from my sister.

cally

(21,868 posts)
27. Thinking of you and your sister
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:26 PM
Sep 2024

I do know from earthquakes, it is nearly impossible to reach folks during a natural disaster. Phones go down and everyone is trying to call so it’s hard to get through. It once took me 4 to 5 hours to reach my husband. (During San Francisco/oakland quake)

Cha

(319,079 posts)
38. Mahalo, cally! Earthquakes are Horrible Natual Disasters..
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:53 PM
Sep 2024

having read about them. Glad you were finally able to reach your husband.

We were in Hurricane Iniki here on September 11,1992 that took us 5 years to rebuild.



sheshe2

(97,630 posts)
34. I didn't know your sister and family were in the path as well.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:42 PM
Sep 2024

This storm seems to be a danger to many in several states. I can't believe how big this thing is.

Hope your family is safe and sound, Cha.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
44. I know, she! It's incredble that Cindy and
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:01 PM
Sep 2024

her family are in the path of such a dangerous Hurricane.

I used to live in Asheville a long time ago and it's practically in the mountains!

Mahalo!

sheshe2

(97,630 posts)
52. This storm is immense.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:18 PM
Sep 2024

Georgia, Tenn, NC to name a few are going to have high winds, rain and flooding. The patterns they are showing on the weather map are frightening.

I wish for safety for all in it's path, Cha.

sheshe2

(97,630 posts)
62. I know you are sweetie.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:44 PM
Sep 2024

What is going to make things worse for those with loved ones in the area will be the power outages. No communications. Hopefully in their area it won't be for long.

They just said parts of FLA could be out for weeks. It made landfall as a Cat4.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
68. Ye gods... I was at the Tampa Airport last year at this time.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:27 PM
Sep 2024

On my way to St Pete to my Nephew's wedding.. I sent them an Anniversary card on Tuesday and Cindy a Get Well Card. She was in a terrible accident on September 3rd falling down the stairs at her daughter's home in Fairview, Connecticut. Sleep Walking.. so she's laid up with a Hurricane outside!

Thankfully she has a daughter and granddaughter in Asheville to help her.



sheshe2

(97,630 posts)
70. I remember that you were there in Sept.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:42 PM
Sep 2024

My niece and her husband were just in TN for a short stay. They just left on Tuesday...just in time.

I am so sorry to hear about your sisters fall, that must have been a bad one if she is still recuperating. It takes longer for us to heal at our age. Yikes. Healing vibes to her.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
75. Glad your niece and her husband got back
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:32 AM
Sep 2024

home in time!

Yeah, her fall was bad... 13 steps and her left hand was mangled... she had surgery on her hand and 2 fingers last week. and in a lot of pain. Has to take pain pills.

She's a Strong woman though.. a Rock!

Cha

(319,079 posts)
81. I will, she... I was planning to..
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 02:01 AM
Sep 2024

She's knows of who you are.. I've talked about you over the years.. and I sent her a pic of my ",la" pin and who gave it to me.

She liked it so much she asked her Connecticut daughter to order some for her.

Who knows how long it will take until Asheville and the Path of Hurricane Helene People get their mail:



Sogo

(7,191 posts)
10. I remember hearing that in coverage of past hurricanes pertaining to people who refused mandatory evacuation orders.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:52 PM
Sep 2024

The thing is, they'll probably refuse to label themselves, too.

It's kind of like refusing to wear a mask or get vaccinated during COVID.

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
12. That's an old line
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 08:57 PM
Sep 2024

That’s been around for years, and it’s not really serious.
It’s a way of emphasizing the need to evacuate. Officials will say, “If you decide not to evacuate, etc etc “

TBF

(36,669 posts)
29. It's not just a "line" - and it is serious
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:28 PM
Sep 2024

those of us who live along the gulf coast see this with big storms. For one reason or another some folks don't evacuate. The surges can be very dangerous, and we've all seen storms down here where residences close to the shore were destroyed. We are north of Galveston (in the furthest north evacuation zone). When storms are close the highway out to Galveston, for example, has been completely closed by the National Guard after they do the evacuations. The folks that choose to stay are truly on their own at that point. They don't reopen it and send emergency folks in to help until the storm passes through.

I do hope for the folks in FL that this storm is not as bad as they are predicting, but I understand why they prepare.

AverageOldGuy

(3,835 posts)
18. We were in Hurricane Katrina
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:05 PM
Sep 2024

August 2005, Mississippi Gulf Coast

We got out Sunday morning, hurricane came in Monday morning.

Announcements were same thing — if u are not out by now, too late, write ur name and DOB on arms, legs, back. Several bodies found in our area of Bay St Louis, two unidentified.

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
31. We were fortunate to stay
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:33 PM
Sep 2024

In an incredibly secure building at Stennis. BSL is one of our favorite places in the universe. Katrina was unkind to the Bay.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
22. They do that for every big one when fools won't evacuate
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:16 PM
Sep 2024

because they want bragging rights or something about how "aint no damn woman hurricane gonna tell ME what to do."

I'd add to writ it on your torso, your arms, legs, and head are most likely going to be gone.

Figarosmom

(11,991 posts)
30. My granddaughter
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:30 PM
Sep 2024

Is in Raleigh NC and it looks safe but I m scared about it anyway. They have a new baby now and I hope they get out of there if it's not safe.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
41. My families flight out of Tampa was canceled at 8am they knew last night it would
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:55 PM
Sep 2024

happened so they found a flight out of Orlando. The got up early and drove over an hour to catch that flight.

MLAA

(19,745 posts)
43. I just read that request was in Taylor County pop of 20,000 under mandatory evacuation and the sheriff thought about
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 09:59 PM
Sep 2024

half of that number were riding it out and did not evacuate.

unc70

(6,501 posts)
56. Taylor County is getting the eyewall right now
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:32 PM
Sep 2024

It just came onshore and is rotating around on top of Perry. The only good news is that forward speed is over 20 mph so Helene will move on through quickly.

C Moon

(13,643 posts)
47. There's a guy live on TikTok who lives in south FL, Sarasota
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:06 PM
Sep 2024

Who decided to sit out the hurricane at home. 7PM his time there was about 6” of flooding outside. His plan was to tape up his door and patio doors with FlexTape. At one point he opened the front door (wasn’t sure if he needed to tape it), and a1/2” of water rolled in.

His escape plan were his 2 boat tied up outside.

There were 4 posts outside that he said he would watch. If they were covered than he may lose power.

1/2 hour later, the posts were under water. Then he said, folks the FlexTape didn’t hold. He was now in about 2” of water. He moved his guitars to a higher level.

Soon, he was ankle deep, neighbors boats were floating outside. Lights were slowly going out at neighbors houses.

Last I checked, all the lights were out and he was knee deep or higher in water and still hasn’t left.

The water was now an inch below his windows. His concern was the patio doors would burst.

Still wouldn’t leave though.

I don’t know if he doesn’t want to live anymore or what.

WestMichRad

(3,254 posts)
49. The real danger is when...
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:10 PM
Sep 2024

… the big burst of water hits, rolling in from somewhere, anywhere.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
60. God be with you all and President Carter tonite.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:36 PM
Sep 2024

It’s gonna be rough in the path and in Plains, GA tonite.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
64. They did that when Hurricane Ike was headed for Galveston
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 10:50 PM
Sep 2024

There were so many people who REFUSED to evacuate.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
67. May all be safe. May all be safe. May all be safe.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:13 PM
Sep 2024

Surely there are some people who are fools full of bravado — but not everyone is like that.

As some have noted above, evacuation is expensive and logistically hard and not everyone has the means, including a reliable car.

No place in the country, indeed on the planet, is without its potential for natural disasters. So we need to plan for each other. Part of that plan needs to be a recognition that people sometimes (often) sit tight and try to ride things out because they cannot bear to abandon beloved pets.

May all beings be safe.



Bayard

(29,693 posts)
74. That would be us on the pets/livestock/horses question
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:15 AM
Sep 2024

I would bet there are a lot of retirees in FL that would have a difficult time getting out, especially if they have physical issues.

Its supposed to rain here for the next 3 days, with high winds. We're a little over an hour north of Nashville.

Be safe everybody!

RandySF

(84,302 posts)
79. The media ripped Karen Blanco over his he same remark in 2005
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:54 AM
Sep 2024

as Rita approached the Gulf Coast.

Sancho

(9,205 posts)
83. That announcement was to get folks to evacuate
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 04:09 AM
Sep 2024

I am in Clearwater and power is out. It is not that easy to leave. We sometimes go away from hurricanes, but hotels, pets, etc. can be expensive and hard to manage. In this case evacuation was late being announced. Also the bridges were closed pretty early so some routes were into the path of the storm (North). We got a hotel reservation, but are still working on pet boarding and an important doctor visit (post op) but still not sure if the road is clear. Writing your name on your corpse was a silly comment and not appropriate IMO.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,665 posts)
91. Not uncommon at all when people refuse to leave an evac zone.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 09:57 AM
Sep 2024

The first time I heard that it caught my breath too. Thankfully, I've only ridden out 2 and they were minor.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
95. A Floridian tip, if you use indelible markers, you don't have to do it so often.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 11:07 AM
Sep 2024

Also, don't do it while looking at a mirror. It just causes confusion.

"I'm with stupid" is popular with lots or the rescue guys. Levity makes their job tolerable.

All this is , you know. Morbid . If you don't like it then YOU come clean up the tree debris in my yard.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
96. Yeah, I'm in CA too, and all this is "new" and "WTF?" to me.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 11:46 AM
Sep 2024

I have friend who moved to another state from CA, and he said he'd take the occasional big quake every 20 to 30 years, versus ANNUAL tornadoes/hurricanes. He said they call them TORNADO or HURRICANE 'SEASON' here. That means it happens multiple times EVERY YEAR.

The closest we have here in SoCal is FIRE SEASON, but we can take steps to mitigate that. Get rid of nearby shrubbery and vegetation, water and irrigate our lands, get fire-resistant roofs and such, etc.

Not much one can do against a tornado, and even though we can see a hurricane coming several days away, there are always people who cannot or will not leave.

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Jimbo S

(3,043 posts)
101. Triathlons
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 02:09 PM
Sep 2024

We are ID'd with Sharpies on the back of our leg in case we don't make it back to shore.

mucholderthandirt

(1,783 posts)
107. I'm sorry for those who can't get out of any situation. I think the government could be doing more.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 03:24 PM
Sep 2024

One big thing the world needs to be doing is fixing the environment, as best we can. This is only going to get worse. People pretty much live in the path of all kinds of weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, wild fires, earthquakes. Until we're all willing to do what it takes to try to reverse global climate change, we'll all be suffering one way or another.

I honestly think it's far too late for anything to work. We're on a downward slope towards destruction, and we've known it for decades. But, hell, profit. Ignorant Ferengis, yes we are.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
109. I have heard of this, but not very often! Yikes. And of course, be safe all. I do have friends in FL and will check
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 05:11 PM
Sep 2024

soon on them.

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