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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOMG They just reported on Hayes show that authorities are asking
people who are in the path of Helene to write their names and date of birth in permanent marker on their bodies for easy identification if the worst happens.
Maybe some of you are used to this, but I'm from CA have never heard of it. Good luck, everyone who might be in harm's way tonight.
snowybirdie
(6,687 posts)of people who refuse to evacuate. Stupid is as stupid does.
PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)1WorldHope
(2,054 posts)Alpeduez21
(2,054 posts)It costs money to evacuate. It takes time and planning. It could take twice as much time and money as was planned for or affordable. Once you leave you can't return until the authorities tell you it's ok to return. There is A LOT to consider and pay for when evacuating. What about pets? No shelter or hotel/motel will allow them. What if you're disabled in some way, too?
wnylib
(26,016 posts)evacuating danger zones as on rescue work afterward.
Governors declare a state of emergency in advance in order to get preparations made for the aftermath. Those emergency preparations should include evacuation and shelter BEFORE the disaster hits.
FirstLight
(15,771 posts)When we were evac3d due to the Caldor Fire, I had to do GoFundMe and beg, borrow, and steal to manage for 14 days...it wasn't a vacation!
And with the fire we had no choice, they were forcing evacuation.
Sending much protection to those who were forced to stay behind 🥺😬
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)FEMA and NFL were teaming up to use stadiums. I remember the Astrodome of Katrina fame. It made me go hmmm,
radical noodle
(10,595 posts)and many allow pets. There are even shelters for those with special needs. I've even seen posts from people inland with farms who offer to take in farm-type animals for those who have had to evacuate.
People who don't have transportation to shelters or are disabled can call emergency services for help, but they have to do it during preparation time and not wait until the hurricane is on top of them.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)A lady who had to wait for her paycheck to evacuate.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)It is easy to criticize people who don't evacuate without knowing their circumstances. There have been times in my life when I would not have had the money, transportation, or resources to evacuate.
leighbythesea2
(1,291 posts)Was in Georges in the Keys in 98. Felt like a dummy, but heres how that went:
Lived on a key between Big Pine & Key West.
Rental.
I worked in Key West, & was required to prepare the business I worked for. (School)
My SO worked in Marathon, somewhat, (was in business with a friend who had a ton to secure) but had his own business out of our house, as primary.
So we each went opposite directions to prep.
Then Prepped our rental. (Our neighbors were the landlords, older folks)
Took the boat out of water & tied it to a tree.
Secured other parts of our water-based businessoutdoor stuff, buildings, equipment.
Looking back this took days-it was way more than I expected.
Missed the window to get onto, & off US 1, to get out of there. They closed it.
Its a game of how much loss can I suffer fiscally & how many flying projectiles will I subject my neighbors to to Id like to be the hell out of here , that can be hard to judge.
I was SO so sorry to have stayedthru a 2.
& forget about afterward, we finally got out 4 days after.
Weeks to get back, 6 weeks later its still a disaster zone, months+ later you havent recouped the financial loss.
But Im not sorry we helped our neighbors. They lost their roof, & their boat sank. & our friends business in marathon, he lost months of business income, but less physical property bc of people helping. Learned to leave tho, cat 2, 3, 4, 5just GO.
drmeow
(5,989 posts)I was going to say that. If someone can't pay to fill their tank, how are they supposed to evacuate?
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smb
(3,598 posts)malaise
(296,115 posts)identify your corpse. Cold but necessary
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)Some foolishly refuse to evacuate...and some are are unable to do so.
In some of the other comments, people have pointed out that evacuation is not always easy or even feasible for some, which is really unfortunate.
Deliberately not evacuating is not smart, but my heart goes out to those who don't have the money, lack transportation, or have other barriers to evacuating.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)The state pays Uber to take anybody to a shelter. The shelter is free. And they accept pets in some of the shelters. I didnt hear a peep about shelters being full. So . No excuse!
MotownPgh
(462 posts)on free Uber. So many just refused to leave.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)I don't live in hurricane country and don't have any personal experience with these things. I was just going by what others, some of whom have been in situations like this, were saying last night (see the thread starting with reply #26).
To me, "evacuate" means "get completely out of the area," i.e. travel, possibly hundreds of miles. I still don't really understand how anyplace (i.e., a shelter) can be safe in an area where a hurricane is coming through.
Please pardon my ignorance. All of this is completely outside my experience.
eppur_se_muova
(41,942 posts)Soldiers and prisoners also faced the possibility that they might die violent deaths far from home and anyone who could identify their remains -- or even spoke their language. A picturesque tattoo might be recalled even years later, even by hostile strangers who saw only a bloated, waterlogged, sun-baked corpse with no recognizable face. Just a fact of life (and death) for some back in those days.
malaise
(296,115 posts)Rec
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Listening on scanner Manatee FL fire and emergency.
Trapped in flooding houses, fires, gas leaks, complete structure failures.
I'm listening to https://scannerradio.app/?l=NzUwMTY
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)I just heard from her. Her power is out and the storm went east of the predicted path, so it's worse than she thought it'd be. She sais she is okay. She said it might become a Cat 5.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Stay safe!
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)I'm in Ohio. Boring and fairly safe.
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... chests and one arm. "If you decide to ride it out, we want to know who you are when we have to recover your corpse." It was to get people to leave before Ike hit. It works.
Blue_Roses
(13,879 posts)We had just visited Galveston 2 weeks before Ike hit. I couldn't believe the damage it did, especially to that old bar that extended off shore. It demolished it. So sad.
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... If you'd like to read a harrowing story -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane
orleans
(36,919 posts)he was from england and his wife was from scotland. they came to america with their kids when their kids were preteens and teenagers
he told people he was born in texas and his birth record was destroyed in the galveston hurricane/flood of 1900.
i don't recall the specific reason he used to tell people what he told them other than he didn't want people to find out he wasn't born in america -- he never applied for citizenship b/c he "was born in texas"
it was a "wink wink, nudge nudge" story that his kids and grandkids (who were all in on the secret) would joke about. "sure, grandpa was born in texas"
my mom (one of his grandkids) explained all this to me when i was working on a family history years ago. another weird part was that some relatives (cousins and second cousins) believed the lie about texas.
nothing of my great grandfather's was destroyed in the 1900 galveston hurricane. i was able to get both his birth certificate from england and his wife's from scotland
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... that we had Cherokee ancestry. He had very specific stories and names and places. When I learning Mechanical Drawing, there was another student, a native American, I think Sioux. I told him I had native blood. He asked me what tribe, telling me if I were at least a 1/16th I might want to be enrolled in a tribe. I told him Cherokee. He started laughing and hard. "You white people - you're all part Cherokee."
Many years later my wife (who also had stories from her family about native ancestry) and I did the Ancestory.com analysis. We both have absolutely no native American DNA. My wife does have 1-2% Sub-Saharan Bantu DNA. Her mother about had a coronary. Both our families came to the US through Baltimore in the first half of the 1740s.
orleans
(36,919 posts)it wasn't cherokee but i can't remember which one, but other than having an uncle who had a friendship/connection with black hawk who gave him a lot of land, (most of which this uncle donated to the government), there was no native american background that i could find. my daughter took a dna test -- there was nothing that was connected with that family legend. when elizabeth warren went thru all that business i definitely understood how her family believed it to true; mine did too.
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... defending her having been misled by family "oral history"
My dad's dad was a pot stirrer, I think it is possible that he passed the stories to p.o. people.
His sister, my Aunt Vida married a Mexican in the 1930's Akron, Ohio, Christobal Grenadas. They were protohippies. They were into Buddhism, and art and mysticism (Rosicrucians), had the first organic gardens I ever saw and sold produce to selected customers. Christo was an amazing person, more native American than Hispanic. He told me once that his people ate so many chilies that if one of them might die in the wilderness, that the buzzards would not touch the body. There is a book that needs to be written about him. He worked at the Firestone plant shoveling coal into boilers and furnaces for 20 years before he retired. The story about how he got here is great.
My grandfather would take him with him occasionally to the beer joints in Kenmore just to start fights. After Vida died in her eighties, he in his nineties had two women come live with him. At my dad's funeral, Christo (almost at 100_, told me he needed two: one to work, one for the bedroom. He had the same deep almost black eyes, his biceps still a knotted oak root. There was only a lite dusting of white in his black hair. And sharp as a tack. Christo was one good hombre.
He would sponsor MDs to the US to do their residency every year and would support them and their families, giving them rent, and fresh and canned food. Vida and he were maybe the people I respected and loved more than anyone else I knew.
orleans
(36,919 posts)interesting story about your uncle christo.
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... tree, berry bushes, grew the best sweet corn and tomatoes and he taught me about tools and working. Gave me my first Spanish lessons.
For breakfast he'd have a glass of milk with an egg stirred into it with a a couple of drops of vanilla. Never ate a minutes fresh egg raw before.
Blue_Roses
(13,879 posts)marble falls
(71,929 posts)Blue_Roses
(13,879 posts)My grandparents lived in Galveston and me and my sister used to go spend summers with them. We had one that came through named Cecilia and it was tracking to hit Galveston, but turned west and ended up hitting Corpus Christi as a cat 3. It did alot of damage, so we dodged a bullet.
My grandmother had told me about the storm of 1900 and I was so fascinated that I researched it. It was heart-breaking. So many memories as kid...
marble falls
(71,929 posts)... are in that 10 feet as fill.
AKwannabe
(6,890 posts)So sad. But THEY SHOULD FUCKING LEAVE!!!
MLF1981
(211 posts)I know that if I were living on the Gulf Coast right now, which I have in the past, I wouldn't be able to evacuate to anywhere, because I simply don't have the money for price-gouged gas and a couple of nights (at least) in a hotel room.
I get very angry when I do not see any help for folks who cannot leave whether economic, physical disabiities, or nowhere to go. Folks need help evacuating!
Pisces
(6,235 posts)Could also move inland a few miles and ride it out in your car so you dont drown in the flooding.
AKwannabe
(6,890 posts)This
Or ANYTHING ELSE!
Save your own life!
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)And stop voting for jackasses who don't believe in climate change or at least support blue.
AKwannabe
(6,890 posts)Hitching
Hitchhiking
ANYTHING
Choose to loose life
I would go into debt
Call friends family
Cirsium
(3,943 posts)You have options, or you imagine that you would, and you just can't imagine not having options.
Sick, crippled, poor, alone...
How about not being white and having to evacuate into all white areas? You can't imagine any of this?
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Carrying what they can on their backs. Many sleep in the open and they face all kinds of hardships. All for a dream that may not come to fruitition.
When the cost of a motel is a higher priority then the lives and safety of a person's loved ones, then maybe one ought to take a good hard look at what is truly important to them
BOSSHOG
(44,738 posts)I recall a sheriff on TV telling people who may choose not to evacuate in blunt terms to put their social security number on their arms. Something to the effect to make it easy for us to identify your body when we find it.
Retrograde
(11,419 posts)It's a way of identifying bodies after a disaster, although I don't know how most permanent markers will hold up to several days in the water. It sounds ghoulish, but there are some reasons: 1) surviving relatives can know what has happened to their loved one, and it may save them the additional trauma of looking at decomposing bodies 2) it's the authorities essentially saying 'we gave you warning, we told you to leave, you're on your own now.
Here in California, high casualty disasters are more likely to be earthquakes, and prep time for those is minimal.
homegirl
(1,965 posts)Here in CA we all have a system in place to make that one phone call to a family member or friend to inform other family members and friends that we are OK.
I taught my 12 year old when we moved to California.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)I haven't been able to reach her.
senseandsensibility
(24,974 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)is in Asheville, NC. I used to live there in the '70s... it's so inland practically in the Mountains!
carpetbagger
(5,484 posts)Narrow hollows and watersheds can't take as much rain as the Coastal Plain.
peggysue2
(12,533 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)MLF1981
(211 posts)I'm not too far from her, I'm in East Tennessee. Luckily I live on top of a mountain, so I'm not likely to get the worst of it, but I saw the top of a mountain flood when I was living in WV in 2004 and Hurricane Ivan decided to stall right over where I lived. We got 12 inches of rain into already saturated ground in 6 hours. The entire damn mountain flooded, washed roads out everywhere, TONS of trees down, and some of these were 200-300 year old oaks and sycamores, and just generally destroyed everything. The people down the holler got it way worse, entire communities were almost wiped out. Fingers crossed that Southern Appalachia doesn't get hit that bad this time...
Cha
(319,079 posts)at the mountain top in WV!
Hope Everyone is safe for you and your family this time around.. and for those in .Southern Appalachia.
I am in Asheville, and have not lost electricity. Some lower areas have flooding, and people
should move to a better place.
Higher wind is expected tomorrow.
It's been raining since yesterday, not totally related to the hurricane.
Tonight's weather will become part of the larger storm.
I was able to go out and get take out.
Some people don't listen, and try to drive through flooded streets.
Cha
(319,079 posts)Asheville!.
I don't know why I haven't heard back from my sister.
cally
(21,868 posts)I do know from earthquakes, it is nearly impossible to reach folks during a natural disaster. Phones go down and everyone is trying to call so its hard to get through. It once took me 4 to 5 hours to reach my husband. (During San Francisco/oakland quake)
Cha
(319,079 posts)having read about them. Glad you were finally able to reach your husband.
We were in Hurricane Iniki here on September 11,1992 that took us 5 years to rebuild.
riversedge
(80,810 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)LoisB
(13,028 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)sheshe2
(97,630 posts)This storm seems to be a danger to many in several states. I can't believe how big this thing is.
Hope your family is safe and sound, Cha.
Cha
(319,079 posts)her family are in the path of such a dangerous Hurricane.
I used to live in Asheville a long time ago and it's practically in the mountains!
Mahalo!
sheshe2
(97,630 posts)Georgia, Tenn, NC to name a few are going to have high winds, rain and flooding. The patterns they are showing on the weather map are frightening.
I wish for safety for all in it's path, Cha.
Cha
(319,079 posts)Worried.
sheshe2
(97,630 posts)What is going to make things worse for those with loved ones in the area will be the power outages. No communications. Hopefully in their area it won't be for long.
They just said parts of FLA could be out for weeks. It made landfall as a Cat4.
Cha
(319,079 posts)On my way to St Pete to my Nephew's wedding.. I sent them an Anniversary card on Tuesday and Cindy a Get Well Card. She was in a terrible accident on September 3rd falling down the stairs at her daughter's home in Fairview, Connecticut. Sleep Walking.. so she's laid up with a Hurricane outside!
Thankfully she has a daughter and granddaughter in Asheville to help her.
sheshe2
(97,630 posts)My niece and her husband were just in TN for a short stay. They just left on Tuesday...just in time.
I am so sorry to hear about your sisters fall, that must have been a bad one if she is still recuperating. It takes longer for us to heal at our age. Yikes. Healing vibes to her.
Cha
(319,079 posts)home in time!
Yeah, her fall was bad... 13 steps and her left hand was mangled... she had surgery on her hand and 2 fingers last week. and in a lot of pain. Has to take pain pills.
She's a Strong woman though.. a Rock!
Send some hugs to her for me when you get through to her. Cha.
Cha
(319,079 posts)She's knows of who you are.. I've talked about you over the years.. and I sent her a pic of my ",la" pin and who gave it to me.
She liked it so much she asked her Connecticut daughter to order some for her.
Who knows how long it will take until Asheville and the Path of Hurricane Helene People get their mail:
Sogo
(7,191 posts)The thing is, they'll probably refuse to label themselves, too.
It's kind of like refusing to wear a mask or get vaccinated during COVID.
SCantiGOP
(14,719 posts)Thats been around for years, and its not really serious.
Its a way of emphasizing the need to evacuate. Officials will say, If you decide not to evacuate, etc etc
TBF
(36,669 posts)those of us who live along the gulf coast see this with big storms. For one reason or another some folks don't evacuate. The surges can be very dangerous, and we've all seen storms down here where residences close to the shore were destroyed. We are north of Galveston (in the furthest north evacuation zone). When storms are close the highway out to Galveston, for example, has been completely closed by the National Guard after they do the evacuations. The folks that choose to stay are truly on their own at that point. They don't reopen it and send emergency folks in to help until the storm passes through.
I do hope for the folks in FL that this storm is not as bad as they are predicting, but I understand why they prepare.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)He can use them to re-route the Hurricane again.
AverageOldGuy
(3,835 posts)August 2005, Mississippi Gulf Coast
We got out Sunday morning, hurricane came in Monday morning.
Announcements were same thing if u are not out by now, too late, write ur name and DOB on arms, legs, back. Several bodies found in our area of Bay St Louis, two unidentified.
BOSSHOG
(44,738 posts)In an incredibly secure building at Stennis. BSL is one of our favorite places in the universe. Katrina was unkind to the Bay.
PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)Warpy
(114,615 posts)because they want bragging rights or something about how "aint no damn woman hurricane gonna tell ME what to do."
I'd add to writ it on your torso, your arms, legs, and head are most likely going to be gone.
Figarosmom
(11,991 posts)Is in Raleigh NC and it looks safe but I m scared about it anyway. They have a new baby now and I hope they get out of there if it's not safe.
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)happened so they found a flight out of Orlando. The got up early and drove over an hour to catch that flight.
MLAA
(19,745 posts)half of that number were riding it out and did not evacuate.
WestMichRad
(3,254 posts)unc70
(6,501 posts)It just came onshore and is rotating around on top of Perry. The only good news is that forward speed is over 20 mph so Helene will move on through quickly.
C Moon
(13,643 posts)Who decided to sit out the hurricane at home. 7PM his time there was about 6 of flooding outside. His plan was to tape up his door and patio doors with FlexTape. At one point he opened the front door (wasnt sure if he needed to tape it), and a1/2 of water rolled in.
His escape plan were his 2 boat tied up outside.
There were 4 posts outside that he said he would watch. If they were covered than he may lose power.
1/2 hour later, the posts were under water. Then he said, folks the FlexTape didnt hold. He was now in about 2 of water. He moved his guitars to a higher level.
Soon, he was ankle deep, neighbors boats were floating outside. Lights were slowly going out at neighbors houses.
Last I checked, all the lights were out and he was knee deep or higher in water and still hasnt left.
The water was now an inch below his windows. His concern was the patio doors would burst.
Still wouldnt leave though.
I dont know if he doesnt want to live anymore or what.
WestMichRad
(3,254 posts)
the big burst of water hits, rolling in from somewhere, anywhere.
malaise
(296,115 posts)It will be that bad
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Its gonna be rough in the path and in Plains, GA tonite.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,204 posts)There were so many people who REFUSED to evacuate.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Surely there are some people who are fools full of bravado but not everyone is like that.
As some have noted above, evacuation is expensive and logistically hard and not everyone has the means, including a reliable car.
No place in the country, indeed on the planet, is without its potential for natural disasters. So we need to plan for each other. Part of that plan needs to be a recognition that people sometimes (often) sit tight and try to ride things out because they cannot bear to abandon beloved pets.
May all beings be safe.
Bayard
(29,693 posts)I would bet there are a lot of retirees in FL that would have a difficult time getting out, especially if they have physical issues.
Its supposed to rain here for the next 3 days, with high winds. We're a little over an hour north of Nashville.
Be safe everybody!
RandySF
(84,302 posts)as Rita approached the Gulf Coast.
Sancho
(9,205 posts)I am in Clearwater and power is out. It is not that easy to leave. We sometimes go away from hurricanes, but hotels, pets, etc. can be expensive and hard to manage. In this case evacuation was late being announced. Also the bridges were closed pretty early so some routes were into the path of the storm (North). We got a hotel reservation, but are still working on pet boarding and an important doctor visit (post op) but still not sure if the road is clear. Writing your name on your corpse was a silly comment and not appropriate IMO.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)It made me so sad.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,665 posts)The first time I heard that it caught my breath too. Thankfully, I've only ridden out 2 and they were minor.
Clouds Passing
(7,934 posts)Stay safe
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Also, don't do it while looking at a mirror. It just causes confusion.
"I'm with stupid" is popular with lots or the rescue guys. Levity makes their job tolerable.
All this is
, you know. Morbid
. If you don't like it then YOU come clean up the tree debris in my yard.
4lbs
(7,395 posts)I have friend who moved to another state from CA, and he said he'd take the occasional big quake every 20 to 30 years, versus ANNUAL tornadoes/hurricanes. He said they call them TORNADO or HURRICANE 'SEASON' here. That means it happens multiple times EVERY YEAR.
The closest we have here in SoCal is FIRE SEASON, but we can take steps to mitigate that. Get rid of nearby shrubbery and vegetation, water and irrigate our lands, get fire-resistant roofs and such, etc.
Not much one can do against a tornado, and even though we can see a hurricane coming several days away, there are always people who cannot or will not leave.
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Jimbo S
(3,043 posts)We are ID'd with Sharpies on the back of our leg in case we don't make it back to shore.
mucholderthandirt
(1,783 posts)One big thing the world needs to be doing is fixing the environment, as best we can. This is only going to get worse. People pretty much live in the path of all kinds of weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, wild fires, earthquakes. Until we're all willing to do what it takes to try to reverse global climate change, we'll all be suffering one way or another.
I honestly think it's far too late for anything to work. We're on a downward slope towards destruction, and we've known it for decades. But, hell, profit. Ignorant Ferengis, yes we are.
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)soon on them.