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angrychair

(12,285 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:04 PM Sep 2024

New York Democratic Party

Someone with more knowledge and understanding of the Democratic Party in New York explain to me like I'm 5 years old why they re-elected the same Party leader that cost us the House majority and has in general been incredibly unhelpful to bringing the Party together there?

I am really worried this could cost us the House majority again.

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New York Democratic Party (Original Post) angrychair Sep 2024 OP
That's a very good question Janbdwl72 Sep 2024 #1
Hinojosa also speaks like a broken record. Same thing every time I hear him. LeftInTX Sep 2024 #2
There are some District and State Democratic Party leaders who seem happy haele Sep 2024 #4
I assume you're referring to Jay Jacobs SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #3
Being from New York, H2O Man Sep 2024 #5
Thank you for that H2O angrychair Sep 2024 #8
Absolutely! H2O Man Sep 2024 #9
Alas, the person who would have the best insight on this has been banned. BlueCheeseAgain Sep 2024 #6
Brooklynite would be best able to answer this Polybius Sep 2024 #7

Janbdwl72

(266 posts)
1. That's a very good question
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:54 PM
Sep 2024

I hope you get a good, legitimate response from a New York Democrat with knowledge of that. At least you have Democrats that have won statewide elections and will hopefully be in positions to help flip the House in November.

In Texas, the current Democratic Party state chairman has been there 10 to 15 years and Democrats have not won a statewide election in 30 years, since Ann Richards was Governor in the 1990s. So while he is not at fault for all those 30 years, he sure hasn't done anything to improve the party's prospects since taking that office. Hopefully, he will retire as soon as possible or those responsible for electing him will figure out they need to be looking elsewhere for statewide party leadership.

LeftInTX

(34,297 posts)
2. Hinojosa also speaks like a broken record. Same thing every time I hear him.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:01 PM
Sep 2024

"Texas is gonna turn blue".

haele

(15,402 posts)
4. There are some District and State Democratic Party leaders who seem happy
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:13 PM
Sep 2024

Being the head of a "loyal Opposition" instead of actually trying to advance the party to get Democrats elected or Democratic policies enacted.

Whether it's the money or the lazy satisfaction of reaching the illusion of power, these party "leaders " don't feel they have to lead, they are happy to Rule under under the local or state status quo.

Haele

SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
3. I assume you're referring to Jay Jacobs
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:10 PM
Sep 2024

First, like most big organizations change is hard. Second, the loss of the congressional seats is blamed more on Cuomo than on Jacobs. Third, Jacobs helped get rid of Cuomo and was a early supporter of Hochal, and she still supports him.

H2O Man

(79,053 posts)
5. Being from New York,
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 01:31 PM
Sep 2024

and having been a life-long Democrat with many decades of experience, I find this an interesting and important question. The simple answer is that the party is not a monolith. For an example, one need only to examine when AOC challenged Crowley in the primary in 2018. Crowley had served ten terms representing the state's 14th Congressional District. He was the Democratic Caucus Chair, and AOC's challenge wasn't taken seriously at first.

The people of the 14th wanted someone who represented them in the House of Representatives. It wasn't simply that Crowley didn't live in the district. And it surely wasn't because Crowley lacked juice. He was far more powerful than Jay Jacobs, for example. He was in a position where it was assumed he would wait his turn to get on stage at the Big Dance. But the people of the 14th wanted someone who represented their values.

Regarding the 2022 elections ..... I can only speak about the one I volunteered numerous hours for. It was run by a snotty-nosed brat from another state, a city-dweller who had no concept of what rural, upstate New York Democrats -- much less the former Democrats who have become independents because they think the party no longer represents them -- value. Those in charge had no idea how to communicate with the grass roots. They were over-confident that a 100% top-down campaign would carry the district. Thus, we lost a close election due to concrete thinking.

This year, in a re-match, I am happy to say that our candidate's campaign is being run much better. If it had been run the same, I wouldn't have invested time with it. In talking to potential voters -- Democrats and independents -- the only negative thing I have heard is regarding a change in one of the candidate's commercials. Originally, it said he knew that corrupt politicians from both parties were not serving the public's interest. But now the "from both parties" has been removed. Considering recent events in the Big Apple, I think the original message would reach a wider audience. But that's just me.

angrychair

(12,285 posts)
8. Thank you for that H2O
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 03:15 PM
Sep 2024

Those are great insights and I really appreciate it. That goes a long ways to easing my apprehension. I think it will be critical to the VP's success as president to have a Democratic controlled House.

H2O Man

(79,053 posts)
9. Absolutely!
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 03:18 PM
Sep 2024

The people I am coordinating with recognize the last campaign was weak. That's not happening this time. And I'll add that an 18-year old from the campaign assures me that the youth vote will be strong here, and across the country.

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