Slamming Harris, Joe Manchin flunks tests on history and democracy

[LetMyPeopleVote]

Sen. Joe Manchin insists that the Senate's filibuster rule "is the Holy Grail of democracy.” History and reality prove otherwise.

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More than two years ago, after Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices overturned Roe v. Wade, Vice President Kamala Harris endorsed restoring the rights that the jurists took away. “If the filibuster gets in the way,” she declared in June 2022, “the Senate needs to make an exception to get this done.”.....

Sen. Joe Manchin, who claimed to be weighing a possible endorsement of his former party’s presidential ticket, expressed fresh outrage about the position Harris announced more than two years ago. The New York Times reported:

Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, an independent who considered making a presidential run this year, said on Tuesday that he would not endorse Vice President Kamala Harris after she reiterated her support for eliminating the Senate filibuster to pass abortion rights legislation. “Shame on her,” Mr. Manchin, who is not running for re-election, told CNN. “She knows the filibuster is the Holy Grail of democracy.”

As a practical matter, Manchin walking back the possibility of a Harris endorsement is unlikely to have any meaningful impact on the race: The Democratic ticket wasn’t planning to compete in the independent senator’s home state of West Virginia, and it’s not as if the senator, who’s retiring this year, has vast influence over a huge electoral contingent......

And what is demonstrably true is that the filibuster did not exist when the Senate was created in 1789. When senators considered proposals, they held a debate and then voted. If a majority of members supported the measure it passed. The institution functioned this way for generations.

Adam Jentleson, a former top aide to the late Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, has flagged several quotes from the nation’s Founding Fathers, noting that the Constitution’s framers considered the idea of legislative supermajorities, before ultimately rejecting them. This quote from James Madison — widely recognized as “the father of the Constitution” — is of particular interest:

“In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed. It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority.”

Alexander Hamilton agreed.

Hamilton rebutted the idea that supermajority thresholds promote compromise, writing: “what at first sight may seem a remedy, is, in reality, a poison.” It would be wrong “to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser,” because if “a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority,” the result would be “tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good,” Hamilton wrote.

......As for the idea that the filibuster is necessary to protect democracy, I’m at a loss as to understand how the West Virginian arrived at such a conclusion. As things stand, with the routinization of filibuster abuses, Americans can put the House, Senate and White House in the hands of one party, only to find that party unable to approve popular legislation — backed by most voters — because of a procedural roadblock that didn’t use to exist.

Manchin is apparently convinced that this procedural roadblock helps preserve democracy. He has this backward.

For his part, Donald Trump celebrated the independent senator’s statement. “Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin for not endorsing Radical Kamala Harris because of her DEATH WISH for the Filibuster and the Rule of Law,” the former president wrote online.

What Trump neglected to mention is that he’s repeatedly called for the elimination of the Senate’s filibuster rule, making his missive about Manchin that much more ridiculous.

[jimfields33]

1. Senator Reid got rid of the filibuster on judges and the world didn't fall apart.

Neither will it be destroyed by getting rid of the filibuster on legislation.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

2. Joe Manchin would rather work with Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Mitch McConnell than Vice President Harris.

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[JT45242]

3. Fixing the quote "The filibuster was essential to my having an overabundance of power and the ability to grift off of it

The filibuster as we know it is designed to counter the will of the people. PERIOD.

McConnell has used obstruction and the filibuster to block numerous things and eliminated it when it served the needs of the Republican party -- because it is ALWAYS REPUBLICAN PARTY OVER COUNTRY for these folks.

Manchin has benefitted from this -- as a mental midget from a state with no real clout he has been able to use the filibuster and joining with the opposition party not to benefit the country as a whole or even West Virginia in particular, but rather to benefit the dirty coal that his family has built its fortune on. I could forgive him if he used the filibuster or the threat of a filibuster to bring extra money to the citizens of WV -- after all that is what they expect him to do. Instead he has voted against the interests of the majority of WV citizens to help his megadonors and his family get rich, avoid regulations, and screw up the environment of his home state.

I cannot wait for this shit stain to get out of public life and just be a scumbag business man

[bigmonk]

4. Correction

The Senate's filibuster rule is the Holy Grail of the republican party.

[TheFarseer]

6. They would toss it aside without a second thought

If doing so would get a tax cut for billionaires.

[FakeNoose]

5. The poor voters of West Virginia don't even understand

... that they deserve way, way better than this.

[Renew Deal]

7. Madison and Hamilton were right. The filibuster should go away

And both parties should support that.