NBC: More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide here or abroad are living freely in the U.S., ICE says

[WarGamer]

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Expect to see the GOP bludgeon the DEMS with this... their October surprise.

425k convicted criminal illegal aliens in the USA... including 13k murderers and 16k sex offenders.

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/13000-immigrants-convicted-homicide-living-freely-us-ice-data-rcna173125

More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide — either in the United States or abroad — are living freely in the U.S., outside of Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention, according to data ICE provided to Congress earlier this week.

The immigrants are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket, meaning the agency has some information on the immigrants and they have pending immigration cases in the U.S., but they are not currently in detention either because they are not prioritized for detention or because ICE cannot find them.

Acting ICE Director P.J. Lechleitner sent the data, collected as of July 21, as part of a request sent in March from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas.

EDIT:

NBC has slightly changed the headline which NOW reads:

More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says

[Scrivener7]

1. ICE is a bunch of MAGA fanboys. I don't believe what they say.

They'll try and make this the October surprise, and 10 months from now someone will get around to looking into it, and find that it's totally false.

[regnaD kciN]

9. Unfortunately, that will likely be six months into the reign of Emperor Trump...

Sorry to be a downer, but this is the sort of news that has a high probability of swinging the election to TSF.

[Scrivener7]

28. Does this really pass the smell test for you?

If ICE knows they're homicidial and in our country, why didn't ICE stop them?

[MichMan]

32. They said some are being protected by state and local officials

In other cases, migrants convicted of crimes may be released by state and local officials after they serve their time without ICE being notified, as is policy in many sanctuary cities. ICE then has to locate the person after release in order to detain and deport them.

[Scrivener7]

85. So they have committed a crime, served their time and been released.

Within a state or locality. Should they not be released after they serve their time?

This article is a hit job. There are millions of immigrants in the US. They commit crimes at lower rates than those born here, but some will commit crimes. What is surprising about that, and why does ICE feel the need to make a report on it in the October before an election?

[LeftInTX]

88. Not if they have been convicted of a felony, in particular homicide.

Deportation after time served is part of the penalty. You generally are not eligible for citizenship or permanent residency if you commit a felony when you are seeking US citizenship or seeking asylum.

_

However, the report is confusing because it includes all kinds of crimes. Misdemeanors can go under the radar.


But a felony that results in a lengthy prison sentence should not. Generally those prisoners are released directly to ICE for deportation.


The report was requested by GOP congressman Tony Gonzales. Any congress critter can request reports from any agency. Of course Tony timed it as election fodder, but any congress critter can request reports.

I'm sure Gonzales will use this in his campaign ads. The barrage will hit my TV in 3-2-1...ugh.... (I'm in his district)

[MichMan]

89. If they are convicted criminals, they should be turned over to ICE for deportation

They had every opportunity to request asylum, and with a criminal conviction, are either not eligible or have already been denied. They have forfeited any right to stay here.

Per current law, people who have their asylum claims denied are not permitted to stay here are expected to return back to their country of origin. Why should someone who a) has no legal status and b) a convicted criminal, get to stay indefinitely ?

[Scrivener7]

97. No one is saying they should. But this article is very carefully worded

for maximum "immigrant panic."

Here is some of the information not included in the screaming headline:

"the total includes people serving U.S. prison sentences." So not out on the streets, not a threat.

"The immigrants are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket, meaning the agency has some information on the immigrants and they have pending immigration cases in the U.S., but they are not currently in detention either because they are not prioritized for detention, they are serving time in a jail or prison for their crimes, or because ICE cannot find them, three law enforcement officials said"
SO, many of those who are NOT currently in jail are "not prioritized for detention." So probably not considered all that dangerous.

"A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said the data sent to Gonzales is being misinterpreted, and goes back four decades, long before the Biden administration." So probably the vast majority of these records have nothing to do with our current immigration policy

So again, I ask, what is the point of this report being requested by a republiQan now, and being released the month before the election?

It's a hit piece.

[MichMan]

102. The report was requested 6 months ago and was just released by ICE

Not sure why it took so long.

If someone convicted of homicide or rape isn't a priority for deportation, then who is ?

[Scrivener7]

105. Yes, exactly. So why were these people not a priority? Might it be because

sometime in the LAST 40 YEARS they were found not to have been a danger? That perhaps a murder charge levied in another country was found to be bullshit? That perhaps a South American countries' charges of murder for women who had abortions were discounted? That the person is 85 years old and not worth chasing down?

I would imagine there are many reasons why they're not a priority. None of which worry me.

[ColinC]

2. "We need to do something about all these criminals!!!"

(Proceeds to nominate one for president)

[surfered]

3. This sounds nuts. So, they were convicted of murder here, but we let them out?

Or they were convicted in foreign countries. First how do we know that? Second, if they are illegals, how do we know they’re here?

[surfered]

5. The ICE Acting Director needs to go before Congress and answer some questions under oath.

[WarGamer]

15. this. x100

[Voltaire2]

49. Um, as the house is run by Maga fascists, that

would be in the category of a Real Bad Idea.

[LeftInTX]

17. Very likely foreign and could also be asylum seekers.

I'm sure there could be a few who committed crimes in the US on the lose. But I think most of them committed crimes elsewhere. Also, there is a possibility there are law enforcement/family members in their respective countries looking for these guys. (Fugitives) They then got word that they took off for the US and entered the US illegally.

[MichMan]

20. Mayorkas has testified before congress that the border is secure and people are vetted properly before being released.

[surfered]

21. I was stuck on the word convicted...of murder and we did not keep them in custody?

[LeftInTX]

24. If they are convicted of murder in the US, they serve their sentence and are then deported.

There could be a few instances where they could remain, but very few.

[MichMan]

27. Apparently not, or they wouldn't still be here

Then there is this...

In other cases, migrants convicted of crimes may be released by state and local officials after they serve their time without ICE being notified, as is policy in many sanctuary cities. ICE then has to locate the person after release in order to detain and deport them.

[LeftInTX]

57. You're quoting "crimes". I'm looking specifically at homicide

It is important to note that detention determinations are made using a
few guidelines. First, ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain noncitizens
from ICE custody during the pendency of removal proceedings and notes that most noncitizens
who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for release from ICE custody under
§236(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/24-01143-ICEs-Signed-Response-to-Representative-Tony-Gonzales.pdf

Misdemeanors committed in sanctuary cities stay in sanctuary cities. Jails are located in sanctuary cities. However, I'm hard pressed to find prisons where murderers are serving their sentence in a sanctuary city. Most prisons in this country are kinda in the middle of nowhere.

[Scrivener7]

108. Doesn't pass the smell test. They're playing semantic games.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Hundreds of thousands of homicide cases are currently unsolved in the U.S.

[ColinC]

6. Couldn't be more than 20% of the overall murderers living in the US

[mymomwasright]

7. At least, it also falls under TSF's watch, as well. That needs to be consistently pointed out.

"Two law enforcement officials familiar with the data said many of the migrants on the ICE list crossed into the U.S. under previous administrations."

[MichMan]

12. If ICE had all the data, how come no one is doing anything about it?

[hedda_foil]

8. What. The. F**k?!!!!!!

If they have the identities of these people and know that they're in the US, potentially even know WHERE they are in the US, then why the fuck don't they take them into custody?

[MichMan]

13. Sounds like state and local officials are protecting them

In other cases, migrants convicted of crimes may be released by state and local officials after they serve their time without ICE being notified, as is policy in many sanctuary cities. ICE then has to locate the person after release in order to detain and deport them.

[LeftInTX]

33. Migrants convicted of crimes that have been released have not been convicted of murder!

Usually those crimes are jail misdemeanors.


Generally someone in the prison system for murder is deported after they serve their sentence. I believe deportation is tagged onto their sentencing, but I'm not sure if this part of state penalties.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1934-appendix-d-grounds-judicial-deportation

[MichMan]

36. Not if sanctuary cities refuse to notify ICE and just release them

The data shows 13,000 with homicide convictions and 16,000 with rape. Those are not misdemeanors

[Dave says]

45. Do you (or they) have evidence of this?

Evidence of sanctuary cities releasing murderers and rapists without involving ICE?

Is it just sanctuary cities?

Were these people who illegally immigrated? When?

When were the crimes committed? When were they sentenced? When were they released?

So many unknowns. But you sound confident that the info presented is as they abstractly represent it.

[MichMan]

59. "They" would be ICE. A federal agency under Secretary Mayorkis

You are free to believe that the entire report sent to the US Senate is a complete fabrication.

[Dave says]

63. I don't "believe" anything, I expect a slant

On the facts. If the report answered my questions, I’d have more confidence - or less - with regard to how these facts are presented.

[MichMan]

67. The actual report is linked in Post #42

[Dave says]

113. The DHS remarks from the link in the OP justifies my suspicion about the ICE hit piece

It says:

A DHS spokesman told NBC News in a statement: "The data in this letter is being misinterpreted. The data goes back decades; it includes people who entered the country over the past 40 year or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration. It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners." (emphasis added)

So what percentage of these "illegal immigrants" have any genuine relevancy for the upcoming election? Will the Republithugs temper there remarks? I don't think so!

You have your ICE spokesman, we also have our DHS spokesman. I just got back from gift shopping (anniversary weekend here). I'll read the ICE report you refer to in post #42. Maybe that will change my mind.

[surfered]

37. This story says convicted of murder.

[Scrivener7]

134. In some places it does, and then in other places it uses data from "crimes" in general.

It's very weaselly that way.

[soandso]

42. Here's the breakdown from ICE

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/24-01143-ICEs-Signed-Response-to-Representative-Tony-Gonzales.pdf

[Scrivener7]

98. This.

[soandso]

40. From ICE

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) recognizes the importance of its
relationships with its law enforcement partners to carry out its mission. In recent years, however, as you know, some jurisdictions have reduced their cooperation with ICE, to include refusal to honor ICE detainer requests, even for noncitizens who have been convicted of serious felonies and pose an ongoing threat to public safety. ICE recognizes that some jurisdictions are concerned that cooperating with federal immigration officials will erode trust with immigrant communities and make it harder for local law enforcement to serve those populations. However, “sanctuary” policies can end up shielding dangerous criminals, who often victimize those same communities.

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/24-01143-ICEs-Signed-Response-to-Representative-Tony-Gonzales.pdf

[maxrandb]

60. Riggggghhht,...Sanctuary cities are letting convicted murderers out after a couple months and giving them "Obama Phones"

Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.

Do you actually believe this? Or is this another example of a "made up story invented so the media will pump and fluff right-wing crap."

Even inside the "report" from ICE, it points out that some criminals are already in Federal, State, or Local jails serving sentences. Some may have been deported already, and quite a few came in under Donnie Dipshits misadministration.

Sounds like ICE is admitting they suck at their jobs, and could use more resources, like those included in the Border Bill that Donnie Fuckface killed.

Stop spreading fascist talking points.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. wait til you find out how many home grown folks are out walking around after homicide convictions

[MichMan]

19. They would be here legally as US citizens and can't be deported

[WhiskeyGrinder]

48. okay so is the issue being someone who's committed a homicide or someone who's here "illegally"?

[Polybius]

52. Someone who has both of those are worse than either or

[WhiskeyGrinder]

53. oh so there's a SCALE, I see. So how does a U.S. citizen who's committed a homicide compare to someone who's

here "illegally" but hasn't committed a homicide? also the different degrees of homicide, how do they rate

[MichMan]

55. Under current laws, both.

Convicted murderers, rapists & other criminals here "illegally" forfeit all chances of being allowed to stay here legally. They aren't eligible for asylum, so under what status should they be permitted to stay here?

Under current laws, people who are declined for asylum aren't permitted to stay here indefinitely either.

[LeftInTX]

61. The issue is campaign fodder. If you don't think Joe Voter in Milwaukee won't be influenced by this, I've gotta bridge

to sell you. I can just hear Lester Holt: "Just now on NBC News, an explosive report from the Department of Homeland Security"

[Scrivener7]

99. Oh, fuck off.

[wiggs]

10. maybe some have already completed their prison sentences? nt

[ColinC]

11. That's kinda how it works

They are trying to pull an October surprise. My feeling is nothing will come of it.

[MichMan]

16. How much time does one usually get for killing or raping someone?

Trying to understand how they would have already served their sentences and been released for crimes like that.

[regnaD kciN]

74. I'd be very cautious about labeling the 16K "rapists"...

We simply don’t know what sex offenses they have been convicted over. How many of them might be sex-trafficked women busted for prostitution? Or people from countries where being LGBTQ+ is criminalized? “Sexual offenses” doesn’t automatically mean rape.

[MichMan]

77. The actual report states "Sexual Assault" as a separate category with 16,000

There is another category for non assault and commercialized sex offenses with 9500 offenders. See post #42

[ColinC]

82. And somehow this is still going to help convince too many people to vote for an adjudicated rapist for president

[Scrivener7]

101. Over the last 40 years, some of them still in prison, some labeled by ICE

as not a high priority for detention. The report is a hit piece of weasel words whose purpose is to gin up immigration panic.

[Deminpenn]

112. FTR, Trump is walking around after being convicted of sexual assualt

that was judged to be actual rape.

[MichMan]

115. They don't jail people in civil cases, do they?

[yardwork]

18. The bipartisan bill in Congress would have addressed this. Trump blocked it.

There's a very easy response to the border wedge issue: we all know it's a problem but Republicans blocked a bipartisan bill that was our best chance to address it.

[eppur_se_muova]

22. How many NON-immigrants ?? MSM never *finishes* the story !

Giving an *absolute* number rather than a *proportion* or *percentage* is a well-worn underhanded trick for exaggerating things to make them sound worse than they are.

This sounds like a large number, but how does it compare to the number of US citizens who have committed criminal acts and never been caught, or never convicted, or never jailed ?

Statistics matter, but they can be used to mislead, and using absolute numbers is one of the primary means of accomplishing that.

[LeftInTX]

69. It's a report from ICE/DHS which has jurisdiction over immigration

They are staying these are "convicted". There are plenty of convicted murderers running around the US who are citizens, but they are not subject to deportation. Non-citizens who are convicted of murder in the US are generally subject to automatic deportation after their sentence is completed.
Citizens who are complete their sentence go on to xyz.

The MSM isn't going to go into a long winded analysis of crime in America and present statistics from "all sides". That would probably take an hour or so.

[lees1975]

23. A Trump lie.

"some information" is not "a confirmed conviction."

I don't believe this at all.

[WarGamer]

26. It's a letter from the ICE Director, confirmed by the Senate in 2023...

What do you mean?

[MichMan]

30. ICE director is a direct report to Secretary Mayorkis

Are they all in on it ?

Reply is to post #23

[jalan48]

29. Not good news for Democrats. The border is Trump's big issue and this plays right into his hands.

[kacekwl]

70. I heard a story on ABC regarding

how immigration was the key to trumps campaign. Then further into the report they stated border crossings were way down under Biden and the stock markets were at record highs and inflation is down. If this is correct what / why does trump supposedly have the advantage on immigration or the economy ?

[jalan48]

91. I think the media just keeps repeating it, especially Fox and other right wing networks,

then it becomes the the public belief. The Republicans used to do the same thing with defense. Harris should be able to use her VP experience with the border issue to counter Trump. She should be considered stronger on it I believe.

[Freethinker65]

31. Convicted of homicide here in U.S. and never served any time?

Out on appeal, or conviction overturned? Otherwise doesn't make much sense.

Convicted of homicide in the country they were fleeing from could be the reason for seeking asylum. Perhaps the homicide was justifiable?, tho I can imagine there are some asylum seekers that have gotten lost in our system (too long to process, not enough judges, etc), and after investigation it was found they should not be allowed to stay because of past histories in other countries.

[LeftInTX]

39. That's what I'm thinking. And some enter illegally.

Eventually locals find out the fugitive took off for the US and they let the US know. By then it's too late. Some are under the guise of asylum, but they end up avoiding their hearings. At that point they are in the US illegally, but difficult to locate.

One example of one who entered illegally. Article doesn't elaborate, but I believe El Salvador eventually was looking for this guy and they knew he had gone to the US. The US had his crime scene DNA in a database, so they were able match it with a family member in El Salvador.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/rachel-morin-homicide-case-suspect-waives-extradition/61144289
Police said Martinez-Hernandez has been living in the U.S. illegally since February 2023.

Investigators said in January 2023, Martinez-Hernandez killed a young woman in El Salvador before crossing into the U.S. in February. One month later, police said Martinez-Hernandez attacked a 9-year-old girl and her mother during a home invasion in Los Angeles, California. LAPD is handling that investigation.

[marybourg]

72. Some: convicted, served their term, released. ICE not notified to come get them

for immediate deportation, as they used to be, because of “sanctuary city” policy in some cities.

[LeftInTX]

73. I'm thinking that part applies to lesser crimes.

I've been babysitting a grandkid and am awfully tired, but it seemed like there was alot of info crammed into that report without enough explanation of what is what....

Prisons generally don't exist in sanctuary cities. However, jails do.

[yaesu]

34. So, ICE has joined tRumps election committee? nt

[RockRaven]

54. Joined? More like a founding member.

[MagickMuffin]

35. Meanwhile, children in schools are being murdered by their classmates

With assault weapons of mass destruction and republicans don’t care about their deaths.


This story from ICE needs further investigations into how long this has been happening (kinda vague in the article posted here) why hasn’t the data been shared before being asked by R Tony Gonzales?


Could there be a reason this data has not been shared with federal agencies to make them aware of this issue and the data they were sitting on?

[Dave says]

38. The Republican October Surprise?

[Cattledog]

41. Most entered before the Biden administration

It is not clear when the first migrant of the 13,000 crossed into the U.S. Two law enforcement officials familiar with the data told NBC News many of the migrants on ICE’s nondetained docket, including serious criminals, crossed into the U.S. under previous administrations, including that of former President Donald Trump.

From OP NBC source

[WarGamer]

43. Umm no.

officials say the number includes decades old individuals through July 21.

[Nevilledog]

44. The report is misleading according to an immigration expert

Click on the link to see images, hers they text

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1839791394866487734.html


Aaron Reichlin-Melnick Profile picture
Aaron Reichlin-Melnick
@ReichlinMelnick
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This report by @BillMelugin_ gets facts wrong and omits essential context: that millions of people on ICE's non-detained dockets have been here for decades.

By FY 2015, already 368,574 people on the docket had convictions. Many can't be deported, often for diplomatic reasons.

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In the report, Bill repeatedly refers to people on ICE's non-detained docket as "illegal immigrants."

In fact, the non-detained docket contains many people who came here with green cards and then lost their status due to a criminal conviction. Some have been here for decades.
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Many of those on ICE's non-detained docket who have a final order of removal but haven't been deported yet come from countries which refuses deportations.

As of 2022, there were 40,000 post-order Cubans living in the US. Many got out of jail decades ago.
miamiherald.com/news/nation-wo…

In addition, people with records may be on ICE's non-detained docket for years if they proved to a judge that they would be persecuted or tortured if deported to their home country.

These people are issued final orders of removal, but the orders are "withheld" or "deferred."
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By telling the viewer there are 425,431 people with criminal convictions on the docket, while omitting the context that the number was 368,574 in 2015, the viewer is mislead.

In nine years, that number went up 15%—while the docket as a whole went up 225%.
Unroll available on Thread Reader

Throughout the report, Bill also uses the phrase "roaming the country" to refer to people on ICE's non-detained docket.

That is extremely inflammatory language when we're talking a population which includes millions of people who are dutifully checking in with ICE when asked.

Years ago, I had clients with criminal convictions on ICE's non-detained docket. They included a kid with a green card in his 20s who had an arrest for pot from when he was 17, and a guy with a green card who'd had a heroin problem in the 90s and had been sober for over a decade.

These people were not roaming the country. The first guy worked at Ashley Furniture and was raising a beautiful kid with his wife. The other guy was a businessman who worked hard to put his demons behind him. Both committed deportable offenses, yes, but I'm glad they got to stay.

Unfortunately, none of this nuance is present in the report above. The overwhelming message left by the report is that a horde of immigrant criminals are "roaming the country," so lock up your loved ones and stay scared.

This is why context matters.

Thanks for finally getting around to providing this crucial context. I genuinely appreciate the correction.

Unfortunately, millions of people saw the report and are drawing wildly wrong confusions about it. The damage has been done.

Wildly wrong conclusions, not confusions. Autocorrect got me there. But it is a somewhat apropos typo.
• • •

[WarGamer]

51. tyvm...

[cliffside]

119. ++++++ thx nt

[dem4decades]

46. This was the giant headline in the New York Post, it will be everywhere, and Trump will mention it like he did

Wikileaks and her emails.

The report also said those immigrants came here under this and during previous administrations, including Trumps, but that tidbit doesn't seem to get mentioned.

[WarGamer]

47. Butter emails v2024.

[dem4decades]

90. Comey 2.0, there's too many fascists in the government, did the Secretary of Homeland Security release this or was

it another underling like Comey trying to tip the scale to Trump?

[dem4decades]

92. Harris should say that people have told her that most came in when Trump was president.

[WarGamer]

111. I'm sure DHS can produce a breakdown... of facts.

[MichMan]

116. VP Harris should say when she is elected that they will be fast tracked for deportation proceedings

[Klarkashton]

50. It was so important that the guy wrote a letter

Years later.

[LeftInTX]

64. Nope GOP congressman Tony Gonzales, who is running for reelection requested information

Any member of congress can chose when he wants to write a letter requesting information. I'm sure Gonzales' March letter to DHS is posted somewhere (I'm too lazy to look, but he probably posted it on his website)

Thank you for your March 13, 2024 letter to the Department of Homeland Security
(DHS). I am responding on behalf of the Department and apologize for the delay.

[RockRaven]

56. How many US citizen sex offenders are there? How many are Repugs?

I bet that number is massively larger than16K.

[LeftInTX]

65. And does that help us win elections?

[RockRaven]

81. Of course not. This line of attack is directed at innumerate people

and political parties cannot fix stupid.

But what ought to help us win elections is recognizing that it is bad faith, disingenuous argument and ought to be dealt with in whatever manner bad faith, disingenuous arguments are generally successfully dealt with.

[struggle4progress]

58. Here in the US we kill about 22K folk each year; we shoot about 20K of them.

We lose another 45K each year to cars, and 480K annually to smoking and secondhand smoke

[Bmoboy]

62. "Living freely" in jail?

How many of the 13,000 are in jail and therefore not in ICE detention?

ICE acknowledges they don't have good communication with state and local prisons.

Stupid data, available for misinformation use.

[WarGamer]

66. Need to bring ICE Director to the Senate for a Q&A

[NoMoreRepugs]

68. Doesn't smell right. I'm sure Biden Harris et al are working up a factual response.

[Andy823]

71. It states this in the article

A DHS spokesman told NBC News in a statement: "The data in this letter is being misinterpreted. The data goes back decades; it includes people who entered the country over the past 40 year or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration. It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners."

You should read the whole thing to get all the facts!

[MichMan]

76. I read the actual report to Congress which was linked in post #42

and signed by the Acting Director of ICE.

[dpibel]

94. So you're going to take that as gospel?

The quote in the post to which you are responding says that the assertions being gleaned from the actual report are, at best, lacking important context.

I do not think you can gainsay that assertion by saying, "I read the report."

[soandso]

96. The figures from ICE differentiate between convicted detained and not detained

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/24-01143-ICEs-Signed-Response-to-Representative-Tony-Gonzales.pdf

[Iggo]

75. Would ICE be the brownshirts, the SS, or the Gestapo, in the Nazi America that MAGA hopes for?

[Emile]

78. Sex offender Trump who tried to overthrow our government

is also living freely in the U.S.

[ecstatic]

79. So what should be done about that?

Ice is admitting that they are incompetent. Now what? And would ice suddenly become competent and able to find the convicts with trump at the wheel? I don't think so.

At some point, the media is going to have to get serious and discuss specifics about mass deportation and what it looks like, especially the part about giving cops, many of whom are already out of control, brand new unprecedented powers to toss immigrants AND American citizens into unregulated camps. The torture and abuse that has occurred in some immigration camps along our border is already well documented. Women have been raped or sterilized, children abused, and families separated. Now, we'll have these camps nationwide. It's mind-boggling and depressing to see the lack of critical thinking throughout our society.

[Nevilledog]

80. Non-detained list includes people IN PRISON

Link to tweet

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick
@ReichlinMelnick
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UPDATE: I can now confirm that a noncitizen serving a prison sentence in state or federal criminal custody would in fact be included on ICE's non-detained docket—since they are not in ICE detention.

That means many of the 13,000 with a homicide conviction are in prison now!

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick
@ReichlinMelnick
Replying to @ReichlinMelnick
Good question, I actually don't know whether someone who is in state prison is considered "non-detained" from ICE's docket perspective. Weirder things have happened. https://x.com/jro548/status//jro548/status/1839756142396023000
2:07 PM · Sep 28, 2024

[cliffside]

117. +++++++ always good to look past the headline, thx! nt

[Tribetime]

83. It says they crossed under the Drumph Administration

[WarGamer]

110. Every administration since Reagan actually.

[Abstractartist]

84. Hmmm

Ok so how many here, and how many abroad? Seems like that is saying 15,000 murderers are free on earth. Where are they and how many here. 1000?, 100?, 10, 2500? We need to see actual facts, figures and dates of when and where they came from.

[ColinC]

87. I think it's time ice be absorbed

[MichMan]

93. Absorbed where ?

They are already under the DHS reporting to Cabinet Secretary Mayorkas.

[ColinC]

95. Absorbed into losing their semi autonomous status entirely

[RainCaster]

100. How many came here during GOP rule?

Asking for a country.

[Raven123]

103. Tell ICE to list their names, and country of origin

Provide details of where and when they were convicted.

[MichMan]

106. It took 6 months for them to issue this

They might have that information by 2028

[Raven123]

109. If they made the claim they should already have a list

I do get your point however

[Emile]

104. The 13,000 immigrants are from a 40 year period.

[LiberalFighter]

107. Lechleitner needs to lose his job

He didn't notify Homeland Security or White House?

[cliffside]

114. Newsmax headline and article "ICE: 13,000 Migrants Convicted of Murder Living Freely in US"

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ice-illegal-immigrants/2024/09/28/id/1182116/
Saturday, 28 September 2024 02:33 PM EDT

"More than 13,000 illegal immigrants convicted of murder, either in the United States or abroad, are currently living freely in the United States, according Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)..."


NBC headline from your link...

Sept. 28, 2024, 9:30 AM EDT / Updated Sept. 28, 2024, 3:50 PM EDT

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/13000-immigrants-convicted-homicide-living-freely-us-ice-data-rcna173125

"More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says"

"Two law enforcement officials said many of those migrants crossed into the U.S. under previous administrations, and that the total includes people serving U.S. prison sentences..."

[WarGamer]

120. why linking newsmax?

[marble falls]

123. Because it's as hinky as this article. They not known for looking for news so much as feeding the sharks.

[cliffside]

124. Because I googled the headline in your post and that is what matched?

Your headline did not match the link you provided and newsmax did.

Living outside immigration detention and living freely in the US are different things.

How did you come up with a different headline from the NBC link, just asking.

[WarGamer]

125. i literally cut n pasted NBC headline...

look at them again, youre confused

They changed the title.. it says UPDATED 12:50PM

That's 5 hours after the original piece.

BTW the newsmax headline does NOT match the NBC headline, even before the edit.

You shouldn't accuse of such things.

[cliffside]

130. When I clicked on your link the headline was different on the NBC site ...

I do see an edit for the article and it is after the time of your original post. Would be helpful if they showed exactly what was edited, other sources are picking up the headline ... such as newsmax.

Since this is happening the Dems need to counter this information that is being picked up by other RW sites ... lots of work to do.

Sorry for the confusion.

[WarGamer]

128. Here's the original

"living freely" pre-edit version. I'll accept that apology.

https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/posts/pfbid02zbBpGRVvp1cFQsbwGZGmAngwFvcTApNd8vAJuHZzweznVtGNUWub3LpAiH85rvWfl

https://prnt.sc/VddhUmPbic4Z

[cliffside]

131. See my last post ...

[WarGamer]

132. It appears to me...

High ranking officials told NBC that some number of those "living freely" are actually in prison... so they changed to the current text which is more accurate and keeps relationships with the WH intact.

[marble falls]

121. I wonder, how many much more thousands of native born US citizens convicted or accused of murder are walking around????

[WarGamer]

122. I'd say lots...

[marble falls]

127. So why are we picking on immigrants who tend to be of color ...

https://usafacts.org/articles/where-do-us-immigrants-come-from/

[LeftInTX]

135. This is about campaign fodder and swing state voters watching, "Explosive reports" on the nightly news

This will be used in campaign ads against Harris.


It doesn't matter what you or I think, it's about what "Joe in Milwaukee" thinks.

[OAITW r.2.0]

126. Sounds like ICE is self reporting. Didn't do the job they were tasked with.

[RandySF]

129. I call bullshit.

[Stargleamer]

133. Voters in swing states are going to be bombarded with this misleading info

which will also be repeated ad nauseum from here 'til Election Day on Fox, Sinclair, etc. I think Tim Walz needs to prepare for this being brought up in his debate, I would implore him to. Pete Buttigieg may be too nice a guy to be the most optimal to help him prepare for the debate--he needs to prepare with someone who can come off as mean-spirited as JD Vance. Kamala Harris too needs to come up with a an appropriate response to resort to if asked about this.

[LeftInTX]

136. Yeah.....

[tenderfoot]

137. Posting Trump's talk points are we?

LOL

[FHRRK]

138. I actually love this thread - bookmark it for use

A great deal of insight offered in one spot.

[FHRRK]

139. Kick - NT