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dv421

(188 posts)
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 01:58 PM Sep 2024

Can someone help me understand

Had a run it with the town magat today.

I have a friend who owns a landscaping business. His company was doing work down the street so I wandered down to talk to my buddy. It's a landscaping business and most of his employees are immigrants. He does verify they are here legally and part of their employment is working on becoming a citizen. He pays good wages with some benefits (not as good as he would like), but he is doing the best he can for his workers.

We are talking and up rolls the town magat. He walks up to us and starts bitching about immigrants taking all of our jobs. My friend asks him if he has a job now, he replies with "no, an immigrant took it from me." I asked him where he used to work and he wouldn't say, so he's just blowing smoke.

My friends tells him he can apply at his business and tells him about the work and pay. Work starts at 6am and goes to sunset in the summer. Anything over 40 hours is OT a time and a half. Six day a week in summer, and the work is hard.
Magat says no way he would do that, it is beneath him.

My friend says " so the immigrants are not taking your jobs, are they?" Magat gets pissed and calls us stupid and uneducated (Hmmm, my PhD in computer science must be worthless), tells us to FO and leaves.

Why is it when you corner a conservative in a discussion they resort to personal insults? I've experienced it so many times...



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Can someone help me understand (Original Post) dv421 Sep 2024 OP
It's their "bumper sticker" mentality Charging Triceratops Sep 2024 #1
Because personal insults are all they have. nt Phoenix61 Sep 2024 #2
I've noticed this as well. First, they don't know the facts and afraid they'll be exposed as ignorant... surfered Sep 2024 #3
Its like a guy in a multimillion dollar sportfish complaining about the economy... getagrip_already Sep 2024 #4
That's not a conservative, elleng Sep 2024 #5
Look by Home Depot Mz Pip Sep 2024 #6
The few times I worked on jobs with right wingers they end up losing their jobs for being a holes. kimbutgar Sep 2024 #7
I saw where that was going as soon as the magat started complaining about immigrants taking all the jobs. captain queeg Sep 2024 #8
Probably the last one. Demobrat Sep 2024 #14
We used to call them go getters sorcrow Sep 2024 #21
Good one captain queeg Sep 2024 #25
Because they have no facts and can't accept that their conspiracy theories are lies. lees1975 Sep 2024 #9
Texas DownriverDem Sep 2024 #20
Recent satire on the Onion says it all Shermann Sep 2024 #10
lol, Migrant Steals Occupational Injury From Hard-Working American dmr Sep 2024 #27
He probably stole the town drunk's job. Dave Bowman Sep 2024 #11
So... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #12
Why? Because ... dcweed Sep 2024 #13
Explanation BeneteauBum Sep 2024 #15
Largely all part of the psychology of people who identify as republican/conservative BaronChocula Sep 2024 #16
It's because Magats feel useless and unworthy exactly like their "Dear Leader" Clouds Passing Sep 2024 #17
They have no DownriverDem Sep 2024 #18
the ones that do that are assholes. it's just that simple. nt orleans Sep 2024 #19
They're so used to just ranting, they don't know how to handle truth. patphil Sep 2024 #22
After I graduated high school in markodochartaigh Sep 2024 #23
Similar story. Grew up in rural Ohio and worked in a packing house for a couple years. captain queeg Sep 2024 #29
Few months back I did a job for a guy Orrex Sep 2024 #24
Critical thinking is not in their skill set RainCaster Sep 2024 #26
It's a sure sign of someone not taking responsibility for their own failings LogDog75 Sep 2024 #28
What is terrifying angrychair Sep 2024 #30
Agreed Hekate Sep 2024 #31

surfered

(12,409 posts)
3. I've noticed this as well. First, they don't know the facts and afraid they'll be exposed as ignorant...
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 02:10 PM
Sep 2024

…and they’re defensive response is to try to belittle you with insults.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
4. Its like a guy in a multimillion dollar sportfish complaining about the economy...
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 02:18 PM
Sep 2024

There are at lesst 4 $million++ boats within sight of my boat at the marina im at flying tsf flags. I dont talk to them though.

My boat is more of a hard luck story at 20 years old. But, its paid for, and im not complaining about the economy. Im sure they laugh at it, but i dont care.





kimbutgar

(27,008 posts)
7. The few times I worked on jobs with right wingers they end up losing their jobs for being a holes.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 02:27 PM
Sep 2024

He was on a moving job with us and kept talking about how great the convicted felon is! The lady we were working with asked him to not talk politics. He kept doing it and the lead called the manager and told her what happened. She showed up at the job and told him he could leave early. And that night sent out an email saying he was asked to leave the company. I was so glad. He was very disrespectful to the rest of us who were packing up a lady for a move to a senior community. And our company is a woman owned business and he kept making cracks about women not being hard workers!

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
8. I saw where that was going as soon as the magat started complaining about immigrants taking all the jobs.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 02:35 PM
Sep 2024

A. He doesn’t have a job (and very likely hasn’t for some time.
B. The jobs they are doing are the ones ‘muricans won’t do.
C. A high paying, easy job is not your birthright asshole.
D. What kind of assistance is he getting to live on while not working? Unemployment? Social security? Or just letting his wife support him?

Demobrat

(10,270 posts)
14. Probably the last one.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:32 PM
Sep 2024

Because working two crap jobs to support the family is good enough for a woman, but not for him.

He probably cooks meth or runs fentanyl up from Mexico as a side gig.

lees1975

(6,958 posts)
9. Because they have no facts and can't accept that their conspiracy theories are lies.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 02:36 PM
Sep 2024

As in what you just described.

Help wanted ads are everywhere here, mostly for jobs that immigrants would be qualified to do. I see them working on construction crews, landscaping, in hotels, restaurants. We had quite an influx of them here for a while, thanks to Texas governor Greg Abbott and his bus caravans, and in this big, liberal, northern city, most of them found housing, and are supporting themselves with jobs, while businesses still seem to be short of the workers they need.

DownriverDem

(6,988 posts)
20. Texas
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:14 PM
Sep 2024

While looking up facts about states, I found that Texas has the largest black population in the US. Time to turn the state Blue.
(Maine has the largest white population in the US.)

Dave Bowman

(6,945 posts)
11. He probably stole the town drunk's job.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:12 PM
Sep 2024

Or he could apply for village idiot somewhere else. Seems more than qualified.

2naSalit

(101,064 posts)
12. So...
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:15 PM
Sep 2024

The assbite had to stop and get out of his vehicle to come over and spew shit at you and then tells you to fuck off when you corner him?

Reminds me of the gun totin' granny who USED TO live next door, had to walk 40 feet from her house to poke a gun in another neighbor's back and then told the cops that she did it because she's "...afraid of him." Had to walk all the way over there when she could have just stayed in her house.

BeneteauBum

(360 posts)
15. Explanation
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:41 PM
Sep 2024

These creatures are uneducated (not woke?) so they resort to their inculcated propaganda as arguments. When confronted with logical responses supported by facts, their response in invariably anger. I’ve faced this situation many times. There a lot of cretins with a personal axe to grind……that isn’t going to change soon….if ever.
Vote Kamala
Peace ☮️

BaronChocula

(4,210 posts)
16. Largely all part of the psychology of people who identify as republican/conservative
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 03:44 PM
Sep 2024

Anger has become their norm. It's the same reason one of them may tell you "you're brave to wear that shirt" if you happen to be wearing a Harris/Walz shirt in a red area. They've created liberalism as a threat to their existence and lead with threats of violence when confronted with it.

patphil

(8,847 posts)
22. They're so used to just ranting, they don't know how to handle truth.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:36 PM
Sep 2024

He knows full well that immigrants are working at low end jobs; the kind he would never take. Having him admit it was a total humiliation for him, and basically pulled the rug out from under him. So he got his nose rubbed in his stupidity.
Nothing pisses an arrogant, hate-filled, asshole off more than being shown just how stupid he is.
It's too bad. If he doesn't like feeling that way, he should adjust his attitude so he isn't vulnerable to being called out for stupidity.

Remember, thinking is foreign territory for a Magat. They much prefer to be told what to think, what to say, what to do, how to feel, and who to hate.

markodochartaigh

(5,250 posts)
23. After I graduated high school in
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:40 PM
Sep 2024

Amarillo (about as conservative a place as any) a half century ago I worked at the local factory slaughterhouse because it was the only place that paid above minimum wage ($2/hr) for someone without education or connections. There were two starting groups a week. Most Americans quit the first week, many the first day. I stayed a year and a half. I only know one other American who stayed almost as long without becoming a foreman. Very few Americans, Black or White, lasted a month. And failing at the slaughterhouse meant moving several hundred miles away to seek decent employment. Almost all of the line workers were Viet Namese or Laotians (Viet Nam had just fallen) or Mexican immigrants.
It isn't that young Americans can't do these jobs, most young Americans won't do these jobs. Of course few people over 50 can cut it in a slaughterhouse.

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
29. Similar story. Grew up in rural Ohio and worked in a packing house for a couple years.
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:55 PM
Sep 2024

The only thing that I could get paying better than minimum wage. We had two crews, the kill floor was all Amish, up front in the boning section it was all regular Americans. I learned the biz at a young age and it was my only marketable skill for a few years. I worked in a plant in AZ that was over half Hispanic, a good many of them illegals. But they’d do the shit work that other ‘muricans wouldn’t. I also picked apples in WA state a couple seasons and was definitely in the minority being white. Seems like agriculture depends on immigrants, same as landscaping. These are all hard jobs where your output is obvious. You’re not going to last if you are a slacker.

Orrex

(66,818 posts)
24. Few months back I did a job for a guy
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:41 PM
Sep 2024

By his own repeated assertion, he's been on full disability for 20+ years and barely gets out of his chair.

I was doing work at his house for about two hours, and during that time he simply wouldn't shut up about immigrants taking all the jobs.

RainCaster

(13,473 posts)
26. Critical thinking is not in their skill set
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:43 PM
Sep 2024

So insults is all they have to offer. They can't understand others points of view, because it doesn't match their own. So they must be stupid.

LogDog75

(1,175 posts)
28. It's a sure sign of someone not taking responsibility for their own failings
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:52 PM
Sep 2024

More than likely, the reason he was unemployed is because he was either fired or forced to resign his last job.

angrychair

(11,913 posts)
30. What is terrifying
Sat Sep 28, 2024, 04:57 PM
Sep 2024

About this immigrant hate and lies about job stealing is that most business owners know it's a lie. City, county and state officials, even in the reddest of states, knows it's a lie.
Farm owners know that this mass deportation nonsense would, very literally, bankrupt them. General contractors know it would bankrupt them.
The impact on some communities would be devastating.
From an economics perspective, way more significant than anything else, it would destroy multiple sectors of our economy and be like dropping a nuclear bomb on our food supply chain.
The whole mass deportation proposal has largely gone under reported in my opinion given the seriousness and scope of its impact.

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