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Nevilledog

(55,092 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:05 AM Sep 2024

Mark Jacob: The New York Times is failing our country

https://www.stopthepresses.news/p/the-new-york-times-is-failing-our

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When the Times covers Trump like he’s one of the Kardashians, it’s no wonder that people don’t show the proper alarm about his violent rhetoric, which echoes the hate speech of 1930s Germany and 1990s Rwanda.

Time after time, the New York Times sands off the sharp edges of Trumpism:

The Times described JD Vance’s denunciation of “childless cat ladies” and his lie about Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats as “combative conservatism” when it’s really sexism and racism.

* When Trump posted “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT,” the Times toned that down with a headline saying he “expressed disdain” for her.
* When top Republicans lied about Haitian immigrants, the Times’ headline said “Republicans Seize on False Theories” as if those theories came out of the ether instead of originating and being spread by the pro-Trump right wing.
* Early in the pet-eating hoax, the Times wrote this headline: “JD Vance Appears to Backtrack on False Claim About Haitian Migrants in Ohio.” But that was an embarrassing misreading of what Vance did. The correct headline would have been: “Vance Says Claim About Haitian Migrants May Be Hoax, but Urges People to Spread It Anyway.” That’s what he did. Three weeks later, Vance still hasn’t disavowed the lie and apologized.
* This past weekend, the Times wrote a ridiculously warm-and-fuzzy mentor-protege story about Trump and Vance, making them seem like Dumbledore and Harry Potter when they’re more like Dr. Evil and Mini-me. (Or not fictional characters at all, but real-life fascists.)


I’m sure the Times thinks it’s doing just fine. Times star reporter Maggie Haberman said recently that “the media does a very good job covering Trump.”

But the fact is, there’s not nearly enough alarm in the Times’ reporting. Trump’s oft-repeated lie about Democrats wanting to murder babies after birth is mostly ignored. When it showed up in a Times story recently, it was mentioned in the 12th paragraph. And we should never forget that when Trump called for “termination” of the Constitution, the Times put it on Page 13.

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Mark Jacob: The New York Times is failing our country (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2024 OP
Sadly, the Times has pissed its cred down the G.O.P. stink hole BoRaGard Sep 2024 #1
They're advertising filet mignon but selling baloney. dchill Sep 2024 #2
This is a great line. The NYTs have always sold baloney. jrthin Sep 2024 #8
Well, they say that the aspens grow in clusters. dchill Sep 2024 #10
And further back. In the 30s they treated Hitler/the Nazis like they are TCF today. RockRaven Sep 2024 #17
I do a better job of covering Trump. DFW Sep 2024 #3
Very unfortunate timing to release the same day they jimfields33 Sep 2024 #4
This is why their endorsement doesn't matter. Additionally, for the next jrthin Sep 2024 #6
What about those paying for subscriptions to play games. onecaliberal Sep 2024 #5
I know of a few people like that - can't stand the NYC position on tfg but like the games. erronis Sep 2024 #16
Games only subscription is available RockCreek Sep 2024 #19
It's not just them. It's almost all legacy media. dawg Sep 2024 #7
It strikes me that the owner of the NYT calls the shots and is probably well off financially Stargazer99 Sep 2024 #9
I cancelled my subscription the_liberal_grandpa Sep 2024 #11
I did the same Marigold Sep 2024 #24
I cancelled my subscription DENVERPOPS Sep 2024 #27
Yeah, Trump's calling to send out police Farmer-Rick Sep 2024 #12
NYT supposedly just endorsed Kamala Harris IbogaProject Sep 2024 #13
yeah but just wait Skittles Sep 2024 #37
When I see a link to the NYT I tend to not click it and search somewherevelse kimbutgar Sep 2024 #14
Iago or John Claggart bmichaelh Sep 2024 #15
Incites violence everyday and largely no pushback Evolve Dammit Sep 2024 #18
The media is doing a great job covering for trump. Voltaire2 Sep 2024 #20
in my opinion, the Times is not much different from much of mainstream media mountain grammy Sep 2024 #21
I've heard this same refrain for 20 years maxsolomon Sep 2024 #22
A very nice listing of their work sane washing a criminal. NNadir Sep 2024 #23
I'm not defending the Times but . . . Metro135 Sep 2024 #25
No it is not Schizophrenic. maxsolomon Sep 2024 #32
They are failing journalistic objectivity SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #41
I'll condede that. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #45
Sanitizing his toxicity over the past 9 years SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2024 #46
I disagree with most posts in this thread. LAS14 Sep 2024 #26
It's not a merely partisan matter than Trump is a dangerous authoritarian threat RidinWithHarris Sep 2024 #28
NYT was clearly pro bushthief in 2000 GoreWon2000 Sep 2024 #30
What a load of crap Mysterian Sep 2024 #39
I don't know a single person who reads the New York Times or cites the New York Times or likes the New York Times MistakenLamb Sep 2024 #29
Kick Demovictory9 Sep 2024 #31
Don't forget the NYT endorsed Hillary and promptly stabbed her in the back. dalton99a Sep 2024 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2024 #34
Except they endorse Kamala, so there's that. Chakaconcarne Sep 2024 #35
They also endorsed Hillary while doing everything to help Trump. dalton99a Sep 2024 #36
The Times is just another corporate media organization SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2024 #38
Tim Miller talked about this yesterday tishaLA Sep 2024 #40
got rid of my sub to the Times years ago mdbl Sep 2024 #42
K & R LessAspin Sep 2024 #43
Ah, Mr. Jacob... you say that like it is a recent thing. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Oct 2024 #44

jrthin

(5,227 posts)
8. This is a great line. The NYTs have always sold baloney.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:39 AM
Sep 2024

They were on the wrong side of history many, many times (I.e., the NYTs dragged Martin Luther King; they also backed Bush on the Iraq war.)

DFW

(60,315 posts)
3. I do a better job of covering Trump.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:17 AM
Sep 2024

And all I do is make the occasional funny video from Germany.





 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
4. Very unfortunate timing to release the same day they
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:24 AM
Sep 2024

just endorsed Vice president Harris for president. Remember most read the article titles.

jrthin

(5,227 posts)
6. This is why their endorsement doesn't matter. Additionally, for the next
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:31 AM
Sep 2024

month and on, they'll use their headlines to normalize and help tfg.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
5. What about those paying for subscriptions to play games.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:31 AM
Sep 2024

Like twitter, anyone with a subscription at this point is just supporting it.

erronis

(24,101 posts)
16. I know of a few people like that - can't stand the NYC position on tfg but like the games.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:51 AM
Sep 2024

I pity them.

RockCreek

(1,485 posts)
19. Games only subscription is available
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 12:03 PM
Sep 2024

$5 or so a month. I switched a few months ago after being a full subscriber for decades.

dawg

(10,777 posts)
7. It's not just them. It's almost all legacy media.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:35 AM
Sep 2024

They dare not offend the right-wingers, because many of them are kingpins in the corporate world and control advertising budgets. Hence the false balance.

Stargazer99

(3,530 posts)
9. It strikes me that the owner of the NYT calls the shots and is probably well off financially
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:40 AM
Sep 2024

and Trump will only make it so that owner will benefit from Trump practices so will not let anything negative reflect the paper. Sometimes I think the general public can't analyze things and just respond on an emotionally basis only. Republicans are well versed in manipulation through emotional manipulation

11. I cancelled my subscription
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:45 AM
Sep 2024

When they came after Joe Biden after the first debate and they have given me no reason to consider another subscription. They do have some excellent journalists who I like but their editorial board seems hell-bent on getting the orange felon back in the White House. The same goes for CNN. It's a shame how the media has embraced the possible end of democracy for money.

Marigold

(230 posts)
24. I did the same
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 12:35 PM
Sep 2024

It is unfortunate because they do have some really good writers. I feel like these old school media institutions try to throw us enough crumbs to make us think that they are actually liberal, when they are just corporations concerned about money. I gave up on CNN a long time ago, and stick with MSNBC just for Nicolle Wallace, Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O'Donnell. Can't stomach its daytime programming.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
27. I cancelled my subscription
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:29 PM
Sep 2024

months ago, along with probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions more, after their publishing Tsunami of horrific, radical, right wing articles and editorials......

30-40 years ago, I used to have the Sunday edition delivered to my home here. They were pretty good at true journalism and leaned left.....Now, the NYT is, except for a few select writers/articles, complete far rightwing crap.........

Farmer-Rick

(12,721 posts)
12. Yeah, Trump's calling to send out police
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:46 AM
Sep 2024

To murder and beat up the people Trump dislikes. Trump thinks the threat of violent abuse and murder will lead to a sudden stop of all crime. He's stupid enough to believe that cops will easily round up people who have access to automatic weapons and cheap ammo.

It might have worked in pre Nazi Germany. But back then, the population was not armed nor had easy access to automatic weapons and inexpensive ammunition.

Wasn't that the argument of right wing gun nuts? That arming the population was to prevent an out of control government?

Well both sides are mostly armed now. So, it's not going to go down just on one night. Those families and friends of the abused and murdered are going to come out and fight back. It will just be a shoot out like in prohibition days, only with everyone shooting.

And the NY Times thinks Trump is just another democratic politician.

kimbutgar

(27,362 posts)
14. When I see a link to the NYT I tend to not click it and search somewherevelse
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:49 AM
Sep 2024

I’ve been reading a book Bad days in history and some of the NYT’s have written bogus stories and been busted throughout many years.

bmichaelh

(1,218 posts)
15. Iago or John Claggart
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:51 AM
Sep 2024

More like Iago or John Claggart.

They do a disservice by not highlighting Trump's cluster B personality disorder.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
20. The media is doing a great job covering for trump.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 12:05 PM
Sep 2024

Habberman is right, but perhaps not as she intended. Not only do they provide as much free airtime as he wants, but they endlessly sane wash his depraved utterances. The provide cover for him as, I suppose, a professional curtesy.

mountain grammy

(29,088 posts)
21. in my opinion, the Times is not much different from much of mainstream media
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 12:11 PM
Sep 2024

When the Washington Post decided to bury the upside down flag Alito story, I did not renew my subscription. Let my Times subscription lapse in 2016 after their softball coverage of trump Gave up on the Denver Post when it endorsed Cory Gardner in 2012 over Mark Udall, one of the best Senators in the country. What a damn disgrace.

Trump is dangerous. He's a madman intent on power and corrupt to the core. The only coverage we need.

Metro135

(404 posts)
25. I'm not defending the Times but . . .
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:23 PM
Sep 2024

In today's issue they chose Harris as "the only patriotic choice for president," and there was an editorial about how "Donald Trump's First term Is a Warning."

Their coverage is decidedly schizophrenic.

maxsolomon

(38,912 posts)
32. No it is not Schizophrenic.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:45 PM
Sep 2024

They have a clear liberal preference in their official editorials. They endorse the Democrat.

In their reporting, they strive for journalistic objectivity, to the point where the headlines in particular wind up sanitizing the overarching repugnance of Repulicans. This blogger catalogs such examples.

This is a deliberate choice, and Haberman, as much as DU loves to hate her, is correct: that approach isn't up to dealing with the firehose of lies that comes out of MFer's mouth (and/or Vance's).

SocialDemocrat61

(7,782 posts)
41. They are failing journalistic objectivity
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 09:27 PM
Sep 2024

because they have incorrectly defined it as treating both sides equally. But that's not real objectivity. If candidates A says it's raining and candidate B says it's not it's not being objective to just report that. Journalistic objectivity is looking out the window to see who's telling the truth and report that.

maxsolomon

(38,912 posts)
45. I'll condede that.
Tue Oct 1, 2024, 12:00 PM
Oct 2024

They sanitize Trump's toxicity by using overtly objective language. They don't ENDORSE him.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,782 posts)
46. Sanitizing his toxicity over the past 9 years
Tue Oct 1, 2024, 12:49 PM
Oct 2024

is far worse than endorsing him. Newspaper endorsements don’t matter. No one changes their vote because of a newspaper endorsement.

LAS14

(15,522 posts)
26. I disagree with most posts in this thread.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:27 PM
Sep 2024

Because they report the facts without adopting a leftist tone is, I thnk, evidence of their struggle to maintain a neutral position relative to the political parties. It's a challenge. But I don't want our mainstream media to become a left wing mouth piece. I want to have a place to go that doesn't keep me in a bubble.

Don't get me wrong. I am totally behind a "leftist tone." It's what comes out of MY mouth. But I don't want it from the NYT or WaPo or PBS or NPR.

It's got to be a struggle when one of the political parties has rejected truth as a standard.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
28. It's not a merely partisan matter than Trump is a dangerous authoritarian threat
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:36 PM
Sep 2024

The signs of that are about as objective as such things can ever be.

It would not be a "leftist tone" to be loudly sounding the alarm bells now. If you have to go beyond the headlines to see the urgency of this situation for the country, then the media isn't doing its job.

Trump should be reported on in the same tone the news media adopts for an incoming Category 5 hurricane.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
30. NYT was clearly pro bushthief in 2000
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:42 PM
Sep 2024

and made no bones about it. This is actual fact. It's documented in the archives of the Daily Howler blog. The NYT and the media in general savagely attacked Al Gore while they let bushthief off the hook at every turn. They were anything but impartial. The very specific documentation of their war against Al Gore again is found in the archives of the Daily Howler. It's the only written record of how badly the NYT and the media in general failed our country is 2000. It would be well worth your time to review that archive.

Mysterian

(6,567 posts)
39. What a load of crap
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 09:11 PM
Sep 2024

Nobody is asking for a "leftist tone." Just good old fashioned honest, objective journalism.

MistakenLamb

(791 posts)
29. I don't know a single person who reads the New York Times or cites the New York Times or likes the New York Times
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:40 PM
Sep 2024

Legacy media is dying in front of our eyes, I can't wait till their relevancy is eliminated entirely by the end of this decade

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

SocialDemocrat61

(7,782 posts)
38. The Times is just another corporate media organization
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 08:49 PM
Sep 2024

and their goal is not good journalism and inform the people. It’s to protect their bottom line. What’s sad is that they have so many sycophantic apologists.

tishaLA

(14,785 posts)
40. Tim Miller talked about this yesterday
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 09:23 PM
Sep 2024

And Politico and Axios painting his most recent extremism and threats of violence as "sharpening his rhetoric" on immigration.

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mdbl

(8,719 posts)
42. got rid of my sub to the Times years ago
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 09:38 PM
Sep 2024

Seems they want to be just another right-wing rag.

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