Obama Team declined dropping huge bomb to kill Bin Laden, concerned with civilian casualties

[onandup]

Link to tweet

Yet we sponsor Israel while they do something we consider immoral.

[jimfields33]

1. I wish the people living in the apartments would not allow the

terrorists into their building. It’d save many lives.

[onandup]

2. Sarcasm, I presume?

nm

[jimfields33]

3. I wish they could do something.

[onandup]

6. It destroyed several high rise apartment buildings

Not sure what a civilian could do?

[jimfields33]

7. Tough situation.

Hopefully Israel kills all the terrorists and brings peace to Israel and the others.

[iemanja]

17. Right

You’re fantasizing. Netanyahu doesn’t want peace. Another leader might, but Bibi will keep expanding his war.

[jimfields33]

20. Terrorists certainly don't. That's who I blame solely.

[iemanja]

21. Well, that won't matter

if Israel and Iran trade nuclear strikes. Fault will pale in comparison to annihilation.

[jimfields33]

24. Who knows what will happen. I do know Israel can't just say, "oh cool 150 bombs from Iran just arrived".

They have to do something. No country on earth would put up with that.

[iemanja]

29. And any amount of carnage is fine with you?

One person was killed the Iranian strikes. That person was Palestinian, so subhuman according to Bibi and his defenders. How many lives should Israel take in return? Should it wipe Iran off the face of the map?

Iran saw those strikes as retaliation for Israel's bombing of Lebanon and Yemen. Israel saw its strike as retaliation for the Houthi and Hezbollah bombings, and those groups saw their actions as retaliation for the pager and walkie talky incidents, in addition to Gaza. Israel struck Gaza in retaliation for Oct 7. Hamas saw Oct 7 as retaliation for Israeli occupation. Israel occupied the West Bank and eventually walled off Gaza as a result of wars with Jordan and Egypt, which saw their actions as justified by their opposition to Israel's settling on Arab land--land that people who later came to be known as Palestinians lived on. The cycle goes on. You trace it to Oct. 7. Some will trace it to the Balfour declaration. The full result of it all is an endless cycle of death, yet you want it to continue. How long? To how many more countries? How many should die? You've indicated you don't object to trading of nuclear weapons because of the attacks on Israel, that retaliation is what matters. What if this all results in more Israeli death? Will that matter? Or is the goal war itself? Has it ever occurred to you that Israel's reactions might be making its citizens less safe rather than more? Justification is not the same thing as effectiveness.

I don't disagree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but it's getting out of control, and the USA is getting pulled into it. If the terrorists, Israel and Iran want to wipe themselves out, I can't stop them, and it seems that the US' diplomatic efforts can't stop them either. But It's another thing to do that with US financial and diplomatic, and possibly even military, support. That I vehemently object to.

[Klarkashton]

26. Kill for peace!

[Mountainguy]

4. Did I miss the part

Where they mention that Pakistan was an ally and not actively launching missiles at us? Had they been I think dropping a bomb on that comound would have been a more attractive option.

Time to stop thinking about Hamas and Hezbollah as ragtag terrorists and realize they are Iranian backed full militaries, in political control of the territory where they base from, and actively attacking a sovereign nation. They are legitimate targets, including the facilities where they operate.

[sarisataka]

8. Details, details,

we are pretending these are the same situations because...

[stopdiggin]

10. +1. legitimate targets

oh, and by the way - Obama did kill civilians on occasion. It was not the intention ... Nonetheless - happened.

[onandup]

12. The tweet explicitly states the reason was civilian casualties

Can you point out for me when we dropped a bomb of this magnitude in a civilian area with the purpose of taking out a terrorist.

The IDF is a full military, in political control of the territory where they base from, and actively attacking a sovereign nation. Are they legitimate targets, including the facilities where they operate? I'm wondering if you'd be okay with such a bomb being dropped on an Israeli civilian area if it took out an IDF commander.

[Mountainguy]

13. Are you serious?

We've done that countless times. Here one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaradeeb_wedding_party_massacre

And yeah, it's a war. Are you breathlessly posting about the missiles coming into Israel daily?

[CincyDem]

28. Hmmm....tough to think of an example. Let me ask my Japanese friend. I'll be right back.

[Jk23]

23. The Tweet is simply a lie from the get go.

They wanted proof of death IE a body... they risked not having that with a bomb or missile strike.

Honestly, the OP should remove this conspiracy nonsense.

[Cha]

25. Some leave out important background info and Context..

No idea why..

[FullySupportDems]

5. Just their bad luck I guess

It's something we all worry about, right? If criminals are in our near vicinity, we're doomed. No hospital, school or church is safe. But it's probably our fault for being there, and those bad guys have to be killed to save someone else, so it's fine.

[stopdiggin]

9. people in your neighborhood are lobbing missiles (daily)?

at populations in the next county?
I'd say you have a problem there, old buddy. Probably not fine ...
And, yeah - might want to think about selling up ...

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[FullySupportDems]

14. Yes, that is my point

That's the logic, as I understand it. If people in my neighborhood were terrorists, killing them would matter, and my life would not. Killing my whole family or destroying the entire neighborhood would be permissible, if there's a terrorist around. To save the lives of others.

It's not my neighborhood, but human beings are living that reality. No, they aren't fine. I don't believe where the neighborhood is should matter.

[stopdiggin]

15. so when the terrorists go to ground in your neighborhood

they are untouchable - even as they continue their murderous activities?

I don't think that game plan is going to work for any length of time.
But - wish you luck in your journey ...

[FullySupportDems]

22. Like I said originally, just bad luck then

We are agreeing on what it means, for people living in close proximity to accused terrorists who must be killed. To save other people. It's just their bad luck. Just so we're clear, I think you agree with that statement.

[stopdiggin]

30. to a degree, yes.

but I also believe that there is (in general terms at least) a degree of complicity within the 'hosting' community.

So, it kind of depends. For the 5 year old that was just playing in the street when the gunfire (or missile strike) erupted - yeah, just plain bad luck. Other hand - if you happen to be a doctor that has been patching these bastards up and sending them back out to murder some more ... Or the truck driver that is 'just doing his job' (and being careful NOT to know what kind of freight ..) Ah, no - in that case you're playing some part in your 'bad luck'. (and so - to some degree - are a lot of other 'moving parts' in the community) Some of that cooperation is due to subjugation and a cowed population, yes. But, let's be honest here - some of it also comes in the form of willing and wholehearted support.

So - my own belief is that the 'innocent civilian' argument - has a good deal of nuance and shades of gray lurking around the margins. There's bad luck, and then there's bad luck ...

[FullySupportDems]

31. Yes, but it doesn't sound good when you say it out loud

I'm not assuming any complicity on the part of everyone else who lives in an apartment building or rides public transportation for example. I'm also not justifying how arbitrary anyone's life is in the eyes of another. Which of course applies to both sides.

I'm done for the evening. Wishing you peace and wellbeing

[JI7]

11. 2 different situations. And we did many other attacks

in Pakistan and Afghanistan that ended up killing civilians.

Remember all the attacks on Obama using drones .

[Johonny]

16. Pakistan has nuclear weapons

Which is sort of a big difference . . .

[LexVegas]

18. Remember the fringe left shitting on Obama for using drones? nt

[Cha]

27. Oh yeah.