Iran's attacking Israel is our October surprise

[iemanja]

There is the obvious, horrible threat to Israel and certain deaths that will result from these missile attacks, as though that weren't bad enough in its own right. But now the US will become embroiled in this war. If it does, Trump can win the election if he adopts an anti-war position. I fear we are truly fucked.

I hate to sound pessimistic, and I know people hate threads like these, but this really scares me.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Seriously?

This won't help Trump one bit.

[iemanja]

2. Tell me why

and there is nothing I want more than to be wrong.

[Johnny2X2X]

3. Trump wants war

People know that. The people not happy with BIden's support of Israel now have pause to see how Iran is attacking Israel and that yeah, maybe Israel does have justification for some of their actions.

Trump isn't anti-war, he's a Netanyahu clone who would see Bibi completely level Gaza and Iran for that matter.

[iemanja]

6. In his rallies, he's been positioning himself as the anti-war candidate

He would end these wars on his first day in office, he lies. But you're right that he'd level Iran. Hopefully, he'll say as much.

[Johnny2X2X]

9. Who cares?

People know Trump is a liar. Israel and their wars aren't going to sway voters anymore. There's a small group of Gaza supporters who might vote 3rd party, but here in Michigan, that group is exceediongly tiny and the leaders of the Pro Palestinian groups here have basically said, vote your conscience and the lesser of two evils is OK.

They aren't crazy, they may not be happy with Biden's no strings support of Bibi, but they know Muslim Ban Trump is no legit option lest they want to be put in concentration camps.

[Redleg]

47. Trump already has already said he would reduce Tehran to rubble

in one of his Nuremberg-style rallies where he tries to the the alpha-wolf.

[Dave says]

16. Didn't Trump and Netanyahu meet very recently? I wonder what plans were discussed?

And isn't it illegal for a private citizen to meddle in foreign affairs? What is it now, 271 crimes for which Trump can be found guilt and sentenced to prison?

[RJ_MacReady]

4. ugh

I haven't been here for too long but man the level of doomsaying here is unbearable at times.

[lees1975]

13. I know, huh?

Nerves have been frazzled by the tension of having a genuine, fascist Nazi running for President of the United States for three terms now. So everything is intensified. He's a real threat, because we have more or less lost our free press in favor of corporate profits and profiteering, so the news we get is aimed at improving their ratings, not informing people of what's happening. If the current media had the kind of quality and professionalism that journalists had in the 60's and 70's, we'd be seeing Trump in the much more realistic light of the threat that he is, and we wouldn't likely even have to worry about it because the GOP would never have nominated someone who could get that much bad press.

I think we need to calm down, take it all in, take a good look at what this election is about, and the approach being taken, and quit jumping at every bump in the road. We're going to know that Harris has been elected President sometime around 10:30 p.m. Eastern time, when California, Oregon and Washington are called for her.

[iemanja]

15. This is the first such post I've ever written

That should tell you something, if about nothing else but my own fears.

[BannonsLiver]

34. It's some Grade A dooming in a week that has started with a lot of solid dooming.

"We'Re DoOmEd!111111111"

[maxsolomon]

5. This isn't the 1st barrage Iran has launched at Israel.

There was another earlier this year. The ballistic missiles may be new, though.

I'm not sure who's launched the terror attack (Hezb or Hamas), but this may be Iran's response to the killing of Nasrallah.

[iemanja]

7. Hezbollah and the Houthis

Yes, I'm sure it's in response for the bombings of Lebanon and Yemen.

[maxsolomon]

8. I'm speculating that it may be limited to this one attack.

I'm hoping, at least.

[iemanja]

10. I'll hope right along with you

but do you imagine Israel won't retaliate?

[PCIntern]

11. The world does not revolve around Trump

Is his narcissistic personality transmissible? Is it necessary for all situations to involve him?

There was a world before 2015 and shit happened. Shit is still happening.

[SWBTATTReg]

12. No, it isn't. You place far too much importance on these attacks driving the American public towards another

war w/ the likes of Iran. I've heard often times about this so-called Oct. Surprise, and in my opinion, nothing will happen. No Oct. surprise will happen.

And you seem to think that war breaks out far too easily w/ the America public, but personally, I think that the American spirit will survive just fine w/o another war or conflict on our menu. Hard to believe, but I think America is actually weary of war, and/or will do anything to avoid getting into any conflicts.

Why not? Haven't we fought in enough wars as it is?

[iemanja]

14. I agree we've fought enough war

and strongly oppose our entering this situation, but the Biden administration has already sent more troops to the region and pledged to defend Israel.

[ecstatic]

17. trump is probably the guy who advised bibi to do the Lebanon bombings

But again, if we didn't approve of those strikes, then it's not our problem.

Sorry, bibi should maintain the same energy he had when telling President Biden/US to fuck off. You don't get to pull us into a war that you instigated on purpose.

[Prairie Gates]

18. ...

[krawhitham]

19. surprise? What did Israel think would happen?

[iemanja]

21. I'm referring to a surprise for our election

I agree with you that Israel had to have a sense this was coming.

[Delphinus]

20. The

Longshoreman Strike might be part of it as well.

[BannonsLiver]

22. So since we are doomed should I even bother to vote?

[iemanja]

24. Right. That's exactly what I want

[BannonsLiver]

26. But "we're fucked"

Which is it?

[iemanja]

27. I'm frightened, worried

Do you understand the concept?

[BannonsLiver]

28. I understand that's not the mentality I would want in my foxhole.

[iemanja]

29. I wouldn't be near your foxhole

I don't support war.

[BannonsLiver]

30. It's a metaphor.

But you knew that already. Carry on with the dooming. I'm bored already.

[iemanja]

33. Oh, it struck me as closely related to your position on certain issues

[BannonsLiver]

40. Yeah, unlike some folks around here I think Israel has a right to defend itself.

And I don't openly praise terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas or call them freedom fighters. I'm also not a raging antisemite. I also think we should do whatever we can to help Ukraine. So, guilty as charged. I hope that is pellucidly clear.

[iemanja]

42. I challenge you to find a post where I've praised a terrorist group as freedom fighters

Because I've never written one. The posts you've objected to are those in which I show concern for the 41,000 dead Palestinians, as though they were human. You see, I care about human lives of all religions and ethnicities.

[BannonsLiver]

43. How wonderful.

Unfortunately, sometimes the world is complicated and requires something more than children's logic. And I never said or implied I was talking about you, but good try.

[Redleg]

49. Children's logic?

Are you referring to the concern for tens of thousands of dead non-combatants as a form of child's logic? Perhaps I have missed the aim of your post.

[Bev54]

23. I doubt very much this is Bibi's Oct surprise, he did his in Sept, this is Iran sending missiles to Israel

not the other way around. I do think more is coming to try to scare citizens from Trump et al. If you allow them to scare you, they win.

[iemanja]

25. I was thinking more circumstances

than a deliberate move against our election. They have their own grievances that outweigh any concerns about us, other than our role in the Middle East.

[BlueTsunami2018]

31. Not much of a surprise, not much of an attack really.

Israelis were in the streets cheering the iron dome doing its thing.

[iemanja]

35. That is a massive relief.

The question now is: will Israel retaliate?

[BlueTsunami2018]

39. I can't see how they don't.

The response is going to happen, it will be measured by how much damage was done here. By the early accounts, nothing got through and hurt anyone.

They’ll probably take out some more launch sites as an object lesson.

[Ocelot II]

32. Which October surprise? What about the longshoremen's strike,

Hurricane Helene, Tropical Storm Kirk, and the terror attack in Tel Aviv? Shit happens in October, just like in every other month.

[LeftInTX]

36. I don't think so. Iran doesn't have the capabilities for all out war with Israel.

Also, Trump's anti-war stance would probably involve nuking Iran or something weird. Although he would say, "Iran will listen to me". But it will sound like BS.

[iemanja]

38. As long as Iran doesn't pull out nukes

If it has them. Overall, I think you're right, and I appreciate your talking me down.

[BannonsLiver]

41. So we're no longer doomed and fucked?

Glad that was resolved with the speed of an 80s sitcom plot.

[PufPuf23]

37. Reading some of the local social media and the comments under articles

is the English language Israel media is troubling and largely anti Biden/Harris and the Democratic Party.

Would not call recent days in Middle East the October Surprise, but there is a complex of issues that cause me great trouble.

[arlyellowdog]

44. Someone told me this was going to happen Saturday

She is an expert and I was just sitting with her in a soccer game. She said likely Iran would attack. The defenses we gave Israel will prevent more carnage. She wasn’t minimizing anything just saying this is the ongoing horror.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

45. Huh? I thought the incumbent was traditionally given the advantage in crisis situation ? you ask

people whose finger you want on the nuke button and of course the cultists will say Drump, but who else? Lot of people in 2016 thought it would be entertaining to shake things up, but this time around - not so much fun and games. The schtick is pretty old.

[lindysalsagal]

46. I read the reverse: Strong men are dangerous and we need a leader we can trust.

Badmouthing is easy but we learned the first time tscf can't negotiate around the world.

Plus, this gives Harris the chance to be on TV as presidential. It might push some anti-choice people into her camp.

[Torchlight]

48. I'm going with 'spurious correlation' until I know more

For time being, I'm looking at it as just another part and parcel of our "may we live in interesting times" existence.