**** VP Debate Thread 2 ****

[agalisgv]

I'm glad Tim Walz brought up Springfield Ohio.

[a kennedy]

1. Thanks for tread 2

I’m just reading all the reply’s….

[underpants]

2. Thank you

#1

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219522351

[superpatriotman]

3. The Bible is only applicable to Americans

Gotcha!

[lindysalsagal]

4. "Blaming migrants for everything " Quoting the bible!

[agalisgv]

7. Vance is a man full of hatred

And the way he won't shut up he is proving he is a misogynist.

[NEOBuckeye]

5. Weak Mods

[NEOBuckeye]

14. Strike that

Nice effect on cutting the mics. If only they had done that to Cult 45.

[carpetbagger]

6. Hopefully a certain peanut farmer...

...is eating some birthday cake having a fun time watching this one.

[BannonsLiver]

8. I like that he's on auto fire with these things called facts.

[BluenFLA]

9. Here comes the mansplaining!

[livetohike]

10. Gov Walz is doing great. Good answer on

immigration and retaining our dignity in how we treat other people.

[tishaLA]

27. Quoting the Bible was a good touch

I'm not religious but lots of independent voters are so he's speaking their language

[avebury]

11. Waaaaah! You are being so mean to me, Vance nt

[nolabear]

12. Hah! They finally cut the mic.

[agalisgv]

17. I was waiting for it

[lindysalsagal]

13. Vance ignores the women moderators. Cut his mic!

[PCIntern]

22. His obnoxious nature had to eventually manifest itself

[Buttoneer]

15. I want to see Vance answer how a 20% tariff is going to bring down inflation.

[DENVERPOPS]

140. He can't

because any answer would demonstrate how poorly they understand how government actually works, esp anything to do with World and Trade Affairs. Trump's shoot from the hip, with no rational or reasonable knowledge of how anything works, destined countless farmers in the mid-west to bankruptcy with his Tariff on China during his soy bean bullshit .

[tishaLA]

16. JV Vance looked terrible there

Bullying and pompous AF

[a kennedy]

18. Really, do ya think Coach is doing ok??

[avebury]

30. I think Walz is doing fine. Vance is starting to look

not so good. He is getting whinny.

[Lars39]

34. Yes!

[flamingdem]

19. Vance loses his cool

Go Tim Walz!!

[superpatriotman]

20. Deficits don't matter

Clearly. Except when Democrats cause it.

[DSandra]

21. Walz doesn't complain when he doesn't get the last word

But Vance… waahhh!!! And talk about a lie machine!

[Renew Deal]

23. Vance or whatever his name is today seems untrustworthy

[joshcryer]

24. Walz won hard on the 1990 TPS designation.

Yeah, let's send Haitians back to freaking Haiti where they are literally having a civil war. It's literally illegal.

[LeftInTX]

25. 20% sales tax! WTG!

[onandup]

26. Great answer by Walz on economy, housing

nm

[nolabear]

28. I'm generally happy with this.

There’s so much more substance. Both are smart enough to be direct and talk to people. Walz is doing it beautifully. Vance sounds good in spite of talking out his ass.

[DSandra]

29. Pathological liar complains about being fact checked

Shocked I tell you!

[uponit7771]

31. He wont answering the freakin question .... again, ... sigh

[Johnny2X2X]

32. Walz coming in strong

Vance is coming across as a smart ass.

[Pinback]

51. Such a smarmy little creep.

It’s hard to keep listening, I must say.

[onandup]

33. Housing is up 60% ????

nm

[BannonsLiver]

35. Trump lost his fucking mind on Vance's "and some it is pretty good" gaffe.

[Mossfern]

36. Does Vance realize that Harris

is the VICE President. She doesn't make policy as Veep

[Susan Calvin]

65. He realizes. He doesn't care. nt

[calimary]

142. That bothered me a lot.

And the repeated reference to “Harris/Biden”??? WTF???

Trying to rewrite history … AGAIN!!!

My intelligence feels tremendously insulted. TREMENDOUSLY.

[uponit7771]

37. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT TRUMPS 15% UNEMPLOYMENT !!! Left with worse unemployment since great recession

[BluenFLA]

38. Ummm hey Vance

You do know that Harris isn't the president and can't do all those things you are demanding.

[wnylib]

139. Yes, he knows. It is a deliberate technique to blame Harris for all

problems in the US and the world. There are many people who fall for that kind of tactic which is why he used it.

Vance is a smoother, younger, more polished version of Trump in his ability to twist facts into lies. He was chosen to be Trump 2.0 and is fulfilling that role.

[lindysalsagal]

39. Vance keeps blaming Harris for Biden's presidency. She wasn't POTUS.

[electric_blue68]

42. bingo

[global1]

90. Walz Can't Say That....is

He has to protect Biden as well.

[spooky3]

124. And blaming her for things that are in the purview of Congress. And he knows it.

[electric_blue68]

40. She's the VEEP NOT the President Wish Tim would say that

[Drummer1]

41. Vance equals Joe Isuzu

[Susan Calvin]

73. Will he give me a free house? nt

[Pinback]

43. Oh crap! Kamala Harris made food prices go up?

That’s it — I’m voting for Trump!

I had no idea the VP was the Grocery Czar.

[liberal N proud]

44. Everything that has happened in history is Kamala Harris's fault

According to JD

[GopherGal]

72. But somehow Kamala as VP has much more power than TSF did as president.

[spooky3]

45. I wish Walz would give Vance a civics lesson about

What the VP’s job description actually is. Vance speaks about Harris as if she were a dictator who didn’t do much.

[uponit7771]

46. HIT EM !!! HIT EM AGAIN !!! Get it Tim !!

[agalisgv]

47. Over a Million Americans died under Trumpet. nt

[DSandra]

48. Republicans taking credit for a Democrats' economy once again

Trump road the coattails of Obama’s economy!

[BannonsLiver]

49. Walz is now in a groove

[Mossfern]

50. Did Vance just sneer?

And make a dismissive noise?
Not a good look....but MAGA will love it.

[Pachamama]

61. Smirks and Snorts

And eye rolls

[a kennedy]

68. I hate that damn smirk......

[ecstatic]

52. wasn't it republicans who wanted to ship jobs overseas?

[SKKY]

53. I was nervous about this because supposedly Tim Walz is not a good debater...

...but he's doing exceptionally well. He is a fantastic contrast to Vance I think will play well with blue-collar middle-class voters who may still be on the fence. My only suggestion would be to lean more on his time as Governor and the successes he's had there, but overall, he's doing very, very well.

[tishaLA]

54. Walz has really hit his stride

The trusting the experts answer was great

[Happyhippychick]

55. I'd like to report an assault, Walz just kicked Vance's ass

And I loved it

[Johnny2X2X]

56. Trump lost manufacturing jobs!

Walz needs to bring this up!

[spanone]

57. COMMON SENSE AND DONALD TRUMP? BWAHAHAHAHAHAA

[Basso8vb]

58. Vance is attacking Walz by

attacking failed republican policies of the past.

Incredible.

[agalisgv]

63. He's a bigger liar than Trump! nt

[avebury]

59. Walz has really found his footing. I think that he is doing a lot better

then anticipated given Walz does not think that he is not a good debater.

Vance comes across like we don't need no experts.

[lindysalsagal]

60. Great point about tscf dodging taxes for himself. And huge tscf's trade deficits.

Walz wins every point!

[spooky3]

62. Vance is lying again about whether shifting production

To China made consumer products cheaper. Research studies show that it absolutely did. Econ 101. The concern is the impact on jobs.

[Doodley]

64. You have to love Tim's passion.

[uponit7771]

66. A MAGA talking point repeated by CBS

[kerouac2]

67. Need to quote good econ numbers

Tim doesn't list all the positive econ numbers. Whether they are true or not, Vance rattles off numbers that sound good.

[livetohike]

69. "I'm a knucklehead at times" LOL Governor. n/t

[PeaceWave]

70. Why did Tim just refer to himself as a "knucklehead?" Let your opponent do that!

[uponit7771]

76. Owning a misspeak is good character, give more than takes

[Funtatlaguy]

79. He's a little bit nerdy. But lovable.

[agingdem]

88. we want that midwestern charm...

Tim is a humble man...he recognizes his shortcomings...this is why we love him...

[orleans]

127. i had to get up and take a break, go in the kitchen and smoke a cigarette after he said that. nt

[whathehell]

141. He said "and sometimes I'm a knucklehead"

I forget the context, but I agree with you, best to let your opponent say that rather than you.

[spooky3]

71. Vance continues to promote the logical fallacy that

Just because some things happened or didn’t happen while Trump was President, it means Trump caused them.

[Diraven]

75. Keeps saying Trump created the greatest economy

And not saying that what right before he destroyed it.

[ecstatic]

74. not a single American viewer cares about that Walz-China visit timing question

What a waste of time.

[uponit7771]

80. THIS !! CBS pushing MAGA talking points

[LeftInTX]

81. Yeah they do.

But he did OK. Said he got "caught up in it".

[livetohike]

83. Did anyone ever ask Trump why he said he visited the

site of the twin towers on 9/11?

[Diraven]

84. This question

Is straight from right-wing conspiracy theory.

[newdeal2]

86. CBS: asking the questions no one wants to know the answer to

[Mike Niendorff]

87. That said, he handled it great.

"I misspoke."

Imagine Trump saying that. You can't, because he never would.


MDN

[diane in sf]

77. I'm glad they're throwing Vance's own words at him.

[LiberalFighter]

78. Why was the time Tim visited China important to bring up?

[StarryNite]

85. It wasn't.

[uponit7771]

89. It wasn't, CBS is pushing MAGA talking points and will try to justify with false equivalence

[Renew Deal]

98. I think they wanted to confront them with personal statements

So they found what they could and asked it

[GopherGal]

113. Ever since Walz was named running mate...

they've been groping for a "gotcha" moment on him. (Remember dog-park-gate?)

With a glib and unabashed liar like Vance, they'e gotta do a little mini-fact-check, so they had to tee something up to aim at Walz.

[lindysalsagal]

82. Quoting Vance's anti-tscf quotes! Calling him a flip-flop per. Good!

[livetohike]

91. Gov Walz talking about a registry of pregnancies

proposed in Project 2025. Talking about maternal mortality skyrocketing in TX.

[lindysalsagal]

92. Abortion. Here we go. Tim's got all the details. Awesome!

Contraception! Infertility! Perfect! We trust women, we trust doctors.

[The Madcap]

93. Trust?

How can anyone trust the Orange Menace?

[Buttoneer]

94. Kamala had an easier debate opponent. Walz is acquitting himself well though.

[uponit7771]

95. Voters already made the decision in accepting RvW

[electric_blue68]

96. Trust you? Repugs, on Women's Freedom, and choice?! Feh! Pfffft

[agalisgv]

97. Tim Walz called out Texas

Good.

Walz:

"There is no 'right in this'..."

[Javaman]

99. Couch fuck is such a colossal piece of shit

He just talked around the abortion issue never answered the question

[Sneederbunk]

100. Walz is checking the boxes.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

101. On abortion JD is digging Trump and himself in a deep hole. nt

Corrected typo - hole instead of whole.

[electric_blue68]

102. This Tim YES

[lindysalsagal]

103. Amber Thurman. Good for him .

[Beartracks]

104. Vance: "Let voters make these (abortion) decisions..."

I sure don't remember voters having a say when Mitch McConnell and the Republican Senate manipulated the Senate process and stole a couple of Supreme Court justice seats from being filled by a duly elected Democratic President who had the right and the voters' trust to fill those seats.

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[uponit7771]

105. Vance ... lying again, just ...lying

[agalisgv]

106. I wish I could just scream at JD Vance's face

Instead of the TV.

[sabbat hunter]

107. I have seen nothing from

either JD or Governor Walz that is a knockout punch. Which is fairly typical in a VP debate. It is mainly a "do no harm" debate and show that you are ready to step in if something happens to the president.
JD is feeding red meat to the MAGAidiots.

[Johnny2X2X]

108. Vance losing now

Earn people’s trust? No one is buying that JD.

[global1]

112. Would You Buy A Used Car From Vance?.....nt

[Frank D. Lincoln]

115. He's in serious trouble now. nt

[uponit7771]

121. +1, this is where Walz can tear away Vance's credibility

[electric_blue68]

109. If you don't give women the choice on Not or having kids then They are Not free

[uponit7771]

122. THIS !!! Birth Slavers suck !!

[livetohike]

110. "We're pro women". Thank you Gov Walz. n/t

[phylny]

111. WRT abortion, what if you're from New York

and travel to Texas? THAT’S why it has to be a national law and no one brings this up.

[elleng]

114. They are DEBATING! This is GREAT!

[Mossfern]

123. Exactly what I just told my son

[elleng]

126. ;-)

[Drummer1]

116. Boy is this asshole Vance blowing the abortion issue

[Frank D. Lincoln]

120. Had he been Trump he would have started talking about the border. nt

[GopherGal]

130. ah, but now school shootings are a border issue.

Illegal guns = border. Bleh.

[BlueSpot]

117. Walz is beating him like a drum on abortion!!

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

135. Like the best drummer solo ever

3 minutes of percussionary intercourse!

https://m.

&pp=ygUSaW4gYSBnYWRkYSBkYSB2aWRh

[Susan Calvin]

118. The more disgusted he gets with Vance the better he does. nt

[uponit7771]

119. KEEP PUNCHING VANCE ON ABORTION LIES !!! Take away his overall credibility

[GumboYaYa]

125. Minnesota Statutes 145.423

Requires medical professionals to provide reasonable care to infants who are born alive, including compiling medical records and providing immediate legal protection

[elleng]

128. THANKS!

[BrianTheEVGuy]

129. This won't move the needle for either side NT

[Funtatlaguy]

131. Vance calling people by first names

His goal is to sound more likable.

[Blue_Roses]

132. Walz did GREAT on gun issues

[LuckyLib]

133. Everything is blamed on immigrants. Illegal immigrants are buying up homes and creating the crisis!

[BlueSpot]

134. Don't blame immigrants for housing prices?

Dude, you literally just fucking did this! Are the rest of you still screaming? I know I had to pause and scream a bit.

[WinstonSmith4740]

136. Did I just hear that straight?

He's boasting about getting the endorsement of Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard??? Democratic leaders?

[SunSeeker]

137. "Who's gonna honor democracy and who's gonna honor Trump?"

Walz nailed it!

[geardaddy]

138. VD Pants

Is a fucking lying asshole.