I started watching the debate and then it dawned on me; I really don't give a fuck.

[A HERETIC I AM]

I could care less what these two guys have to say to each other. I already know enough about the two of them that nothing either of them might say will sway me one way or the other.

I already know that one of them is the running mate of a well educated, lucid, eloquent and qualified person, ready to take on the role as President. The other is nothing more than a send up, put there by the folks that desperately want to institute the Project 2025 plan on this country and no matter what happens, that is what they are truly aiming for. If they are unsuccessful (which they will be) their movement is doomed and they know it.

The conservative powers that be don't give 2 shits about Trumpy any more. They know he is damaged goods. But they will try their best to sell us on JD "I'm just a regular hillbilly like the rest of you" Vance as if he is actually qualified to be president.

He isn't.

Governor Walz has some shortcomings to be sure, but integrity, decency and ability are not among them.

JD Vance is nothing more than a poseur hoping someone, somewhere will take him seriously.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

1. What you said!

It’s like deciding if I prefer dog poop or fine chocolate. I already know where I’m at and no amount of effort by the dung vendor will get me to consider dog poop.

[Tweedy]

2. Governor Walz is excelling at this

JD Vance lies a lot and is attempting to humanize himself and claiming credit for Joe Biden’s economy.

Just mute Senator Vance and watch Governor Walz.

Governor Walz has got this.

[Metaphorical]

3. I think it was a wash, but this is not a bad thing

Vance committed no obvious gaffes, but he also likely didn't endear himself to the base, and I doubt he made much of an impression either way on the undecideds. Walz came off as more real and sincere, no real zingers, but also clearly the voice of sense here. Vance came off as a canned politician.

[MLAA]

10. Oh, the last bit was a hell of a zinger! When Walz turned to Vance and asked him if he would say that TSF lost the last

election. Vance stuttered, rambled, deflected and looked like a deer in the headlights and wouldn’t say he lost. That bit should be everywhere tomorrow.

[Liberal In Texas]

4. I'm with you.

I caught a few minutes and my BP went up. And like you I know where I stand and where both of them do and would just be watching to see if Walz got some good one-liners off or Vance steps in it. If so, they'll play them ad nauseum tomorrow on all the shows.

I hear my book calling.

[PittBlue]

5. We did the same thing.

I wanted to kill my tv, so we turned it off. Vance is such a slime ball. I cannot stand to look at him or listen to his lies.

[residentcynic]

6. I'm skipping it altogether

I know what Trump stands for and I can see the harm his term as president did to the country. A debate (if you can call it that) isn't going to change anything for me.

[Figarosmom]

7. Me too. Nt

[mdbl]

8. Why Dems keep debating weirdos is beyond me

Just don't do it.

[Marthe48]

9. I watch to support my candidate

I learn a little more about Mr. Walz. I mute when the weird guy blathers.

[progressoid]

11. I too know enough about them so didn't want to watch but... another member of the household had it on.

That said, in the 30+ minutes that I watched, I realized how much more of a slimy snake-oil salesman Vance is than I had previously thought.

[indigoth]

12. Saaammmeee

I knew who I was voting for the day she threw her hat in the ring.

[MissouriDem47]

13. I Did Not Watch the Debate

I absolutely refuse to watch or listen to either Trump or Vance. Neither of them have anything I want to hear. They both lie so much it's wasted time.

[NowsTheTime]

15. I'm watching the debate because of not my opinion, but of how it goes for other's decisions...

[Xipe Totec]

16. Vance is a vituperous vial of oleagenous offal nt

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

23. As if you squeezes every last bit of oilyi nhumanity from a copy of The Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich

[A HERETIC I AM]

25. LOL....

I could not have said it better myself!


Or....

To explicate a more robust elucidation would have been a most laborious task, one which I am ill equipped to endeavor.

[Jack Valentino]

17. Yes, I think the overwhelming majority of people watching have already

made up their minds---

and you have to go back to 1960 to point out any circumstance where the VP candidate may have made much difference---

but JFK would have won that election, even without Texas.


Nobody scored any knockout, and Walz held his own-- so this debate is a wash.

[joshcryer]

18. Same. Walz is a good man. But it's hard to talk politically.

He avoided so many gotchas it was like trying to run through landmines. Compulsive liars like Vance don't deal with landmines because they're never called on it.

Regardless the MSM will call for another debate with Trump and Kamala and if Trump is stupid enough to do it it'll take any air out of this debate. Trump for certain will have his ego tarnished by that fact.

[leftieNanner]

19. Quote from JD

"For as long as I have been in government..."

Which is less than TWO years!

[littlemissmartypants]

20. Mini Trump...

Lies, lies, lies, lies and more lies.

They both wear makeup and still can't cover up their ugly.

[spanone]

21. K&R

[Collimator]

22. Harris was a prosecutor; Walz was a coach.

Harris knows how to knock 'em down; Walz know how to build people up.

This is not to say that Harris can't be uplifting; but a cornered Trump is dangerous and we need someone who can stand their ground and bring dangerous people to accountability.

Walz's role is to round out the ticket and soften the culture shock of a woman of color president. He's perfect for that function.

Why Vance was chosen is beyond my analysis. He's not at all likable and it seems as if even the Trump cultists can sense that Trump doesn't really like him. Maybe his former antipathy towards Trump and his subsequent change appealed to Trump's need to dominate?

As for the debate, we knew that it wasn't going to be as lop-sided because Vance has some capabilities. I didn't watch for many of the same reasons that others have mentioned. but I have confidence that Walz's basic strengths came through.

[Pinback]

28. Trump endorsed Vance in the 2022 Ohio U.S. Senate primary because he liked his attack dog debate performance.

He picked him for Veep because Vance sucked up to him and because Trump wants an attack dog surrogate.

Remember Trump picked Pence because he thought he came “right out of central casting.”

With Trump everything is about himself first and foremost, and second, image.

[Collimator]

35. O. M. G. I JUST figured it out!

It wasn't just "central casting", it was a cost-cutting, merch-based decision.

There is just a two letter difference between the names "Pence" and "Vance". They didn't want to strain their budgets or the intellect of whoever had to input the change into their graphic design computer program.

"Just move the cursor over the pee and the ee and type in vee and aay. Then hit enter and you're done. We won't even have to shell out any more money for increased use of printer ink. We are So Smart!"



Oh, and my biggest fear is that while Pence had scruples -- no matter how much I disagreed with some of his beliefs-- Vance has none. . . On the other hand, both Pence and Vance probably have suppressed homosexual inclinations. O.M.G., but wouldn't the world be a better place if we all knew and accepted ourselves?

[DENVERPOPS]

24. The simple reality is

that the only reason a Republican will appear in the debates, is to one by one re-enforce the ludicrous Republican talking points, so that Fox can have sound bites and video of them appearing. Fox certainly isn't gonna show much of Walz, unless it is something they can misconstrue, or lie to make him look bad........

Hell, Fox probably tells Vance in advance, what they need him to say to make sure they get great video sound bites....

[OAITW r.2.0]

26. True all you said. But the political soap opera is hard to resist.

Harris - +15MM

[Ocelot II]

27. We should give a shit, for one reason:

Trump wouldn't be able to make it through an entire presidential term, probably not even half of one. He's old, fat and unhealthy - both mentally and physically. If he doesn't actually croak, his already fragile mental state will deteriorate to the point where he'll get the 25th Amendment heave-ho, and either way Vance would take over. And Vance is the puppet of the billionaire tech bros, the Christian nationalists and Putin. He's every bit as mean as Trump but he's smart and organized and just as capable of making the trains to the camps run on time as Heinrich Himmler. We need to know exactly what Vance is and what he intends to do. He's Project 2025 made flesh.

[Mr.Bill]

30. I couldn't have said it any better.

I agree totally.

[yaesu]

29. I didn't watch at all because I don't need to hear another long fascist republican lying spree and I hate CBS

for a number of reasons, one being their CEO thought tRump would be great for profits so he helped create that monster. Anyway, the corporate media circus big tent shows are over.

[Kaleva]

31. IMHO, these are beauty pageants so I don't watch them

Regardless of what happens in these events, my vote will remain the same.

[slightlv]

32. I think it was a wash for the average person watching.

They both were polite and held their own. They were cordial to each other. BUT that's only if seen through the average viewer's eyes. It only worked that way because evidently the handlers and trainers told Walz to tone being homey (a mistake, in my mind), and Vance was slicker than shit on shinola. Trump can't even lie as slickly as Vance can! I think the real trouble with T being reelected is when the 25th amendment him and put Vance in the oval office. That man is deadly evil and lie as smoothly as Satan, himself.

I'd really like to meet this man that Vance was describing all through the "debate"... it certainly wasn't the person trump has shown himself to be for the last decade! He made him sound almost wonderful to know and be around. (gack)

And when did the VP get so much power? Did ya'll notice that at one point, Vance even called the present administration the "Harris-Biden Administration?" That certainly isn't how I learned things in my old civics class! The VP is the person-in-waiting to be president should anything happen to the President. That's the most important job the VP has. Next would be the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. Then comes anything the President may delegate. But that's it for the VP. They truly have no power, in and of themselves! And yet, to hear Vance talk tonight, you'd think Harris had already been and still is president!

[Sogo]

33. I signed on so I could give you a Rec.....Well said!!

nt

[republianmushroom]

36. Totally agree with you.

[Maru Kitteh]

37. Boom. This speaks to me. Nt

[XanaDUer2]

38. Skipped it