Let me make this pellucidly clear - Shady Vance is a lying bullshitter

[malaise]

That anyone was impressed with this soulless fascist with more baggage than the carousels at a hub airport is disturbing, but then media love actors. Fuck form and examine content.
That is all

[NJCher]

1. I kept trying

To pull anything substantial out of anything he said.

By the end of the debate his suit coat was in tatters and all I had was a few loose threads.

[malaise]

2. Beautifully stated

Rec

[Codifer]

33. Like cotton candy.

It has a nebulous form and shape but no real substance.

Carnival barker bullspit.

[oasis]

3. Slick, fast talking snake oil salesman. Vance

spits out lies with such ease he can never be trusted.
Never.

[malaise]

4. Nailed it

Rec

[YodaMom2]

38. Gish Gallop.

Vance has perfected it.

[NoMoreRepugs]

5. The RNC must have sent a ginormous gift basket to CBS for not fact checking that shitbird in real time.

[SomedayKindaLove]

6. No one will remember what Vance said

Hopefully everyone remembers what he didn’t say.

[Emile]

7. He is talented when it comes to blowing smoke out his

ASS.

[FSogol]

8. Exactly, Polished, Souless, Liar debates Well-Meaning Public Servant

[malaise]

9. THIS

Rec

[Cheezoholic]

10. I almost ordered a Pocket Fisherman then I realized it was Vance ,"But wait, order now and will send you 2!" lol n/t

[forthemiddle]

11. Debates are always about optics

And about the sound bites that get replayed, or even parodied.
Everyone remembers the fly on Mike Pences head, but not much else, so it will be a few days before we know if this debate helped, hurt or did no harm.
What’s the stuff that people will remember?
Unfortunately very few watch the debates but everyone sees the memes and sound bites that are replayed over and over again on tic too or x.
We will see how SNL portrays it, because that’s usually a good guide to what will be remembered.
I never understood the cheers, or the hand wringing on the first morning after a debate.
I think Walz did fine and held his own (except for saying he was friends with school shooters). And yes I know he left out the word victims!

[malaise]

13. Question re optics

You are campaigning for VP and don’t have the basic manners or respect to refer to the sitting VP by her title -not effin once.
That optic looked the same to me as his walking over to claim her aircraft a few weeks ago.

[forthemiddle]

19. I don't disagree

In the end it’s who will do the best job, not who wins a debate according to the media.
And I hate the disrespect shown overall nowadays.
You are 100% correct JD is a sleazy ass, and it’s our job to point that out!

[malaise]

24. Best meme here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219524831

[Torchlight]

14. He came across as a slick, creepy, Sunday morning televangelist

And Gov. Walz came across as genuine and neighborly. I think that contrast alone, in and of itself, will be the collective conclusion of the evening, leading positively into next month.

[Kid Berwyn]

15. A younger and more vibrant Hitler.

A Couchhumper by any other name would still hump anything that can’t move.

[werdna]

16. Is there away I could -

- give this posting , say, a thousand recs? Pretty please?

[malaise]

23. LOL

No😀😀

[spanone]

17. K&R

[Joinfortmill]

18. Yup. He surely is.

[Wounded Bear]

20. Redundant, but accurate...nt

[surfered]

21. He's a professional liar

[usonian]

22. Lying bullshitter is the perfect running mate for a Shitty Liar!

[bucolic_frolic]

25. JD was slick, cold, and cunning.

He even did accordian hands to massage reality. Inserted barbs before answering questions with lies. Didn't move his head, which came off as emotionless. That was the key for me. Cold and cunning. He's more interested in being right than caring about Americans. JD Vance is dangerous. And he'll resurface in 2028.

[CincyDem]

26. Ya know...when you lump Vance in with shady bullshitters...

…you lower the ethical character of shady bullshitters.

[malaise]

29. Good point

😂😂😂

[jfz9580m]

37. I know right!

What did shady bullshitters do to deserve being smeared with this broad brush ?

[cornball 24]

27. Well stated, Malaise! Tim Walz was the good, honest man that he truly is. Vance came

off as the lyin' jerk with a permanent smirk that he most obviously is.

[Blue Owl]

28. K&R

[Lulu KC]

30. A lyin' liar

Seriously. So dignified while he spouts absolute nonsense in his magenta tie (still surprised by that).

[jaxexpat]

31. The media's response is wrapped up in their drive to create normalcy from Trump's chaos.

They croon that Vance was "smooth throughout" while Walz was "less than honest". Cherry picking their own versions of misinformation to bolster the impossible image that, somehow, with Vance on board, Trump's foolishness is leavened and that gives voters adequate excuse to vote Republican despite the evidence before their eyes. Evidence they won't repeat lest it inform their viewers' minds.
This morning, the media, near universally, frames every truthful point Walz made in response to the senator's lying an ugly attack designed to distract attention from Harris' flailing campaign.

Did I mention that the media is dishonest in its reporting? Well, they are.

[Enola]

32. The one thing that Vance has made very clear.

He hates women. His disparagement of us is the one thing that mostly sticks out to me. He views as a necessary evil. If scientists come up with a way to make babies artificially, he would suggest killing real woman and replacing us with furniture.

[karynnj]

35. Even speaking of his own family, his wife had a hard time with childcare

Note "she", not "we".

Also he seemed hostile to the moderators

[malaise]

40. Yes -his mommy issues are a major part of his baggage

[karynnj]

34. Although Vance was more polished, a few of his answers could be damning ads

Not to equate the honorable Gore to Vance, remember he initially was seen to have won the first debate, only to lose after coverage of sighing.

Here, the 2020 answer is already an issue. He failed to tell the truth AND his deflection claiming Harris with censoring on COVID in 2020 when she was a Senator is not believable.

I hope they use the ACA huge lie of Trump improving ACA with Walz's excellent summary of the truth, adding video ( or just a photo) of John McCain with his iconic thumb down moment and a few short Trump words through 2015 through 2020 calling for ending it.

There is likely something to be done on Vance's vs Walz's answers on abortion. Less important, but stunning to me was Vance speaking of it being hard for his wife even though she is a highly skilled lawyer. Too bad she alone had childcare responsibility even though she was not a single mother! Did anyone else find that bit jarring?

I also hope that there will be more coverage of Minnesota's expansion of housing. The states have often been called the laboratories of the nation. It would be interesting if things they did could work elsewhere. Certainly better than Vance and Trump vaguely saying to build on federal land. Walz asking where and questioning if that is also where they want to drill was good. Minnesota seems to have added substantial housing, where people want to live.

On the housing issue, Walz also had a great answer to Vance blaming it on regulations. Most building regulations are local, not federal and they protect the people who live in them.

[malaise]

39. I hope so

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