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Ocelot II

(121,197 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 09:18 PM Oct 2

In the excitement over the new evidence in the J/6 case, Judge Chutkan's Order has been overlooked,

where she spanks Trump's lawyers - writing, in closing:

In addition to the assertions discussed above, Defendant’s opposition brief repeatedly accuses the Government of bad-faith partisan bias. See Def.’s Opp’n at 2, 5–6. These accusations, for which Defendant provides no support, continue a pattern of defense filings focusing on political rhetoric rather than addressing the legal issues at hand. See Oversized Brief Order at 2–3 (identifying two recent instances of this pattern). Not only is that focus unresponsive and unhelpful to the court, but it is also unbefitting of experienced defense counsel and undermining of the judicial proceedings in this case. Defendant has had an opportunity to make his case that his prosecution is improperly motivated. See Def.’s Mot. to Dismiss for Selective and Vindictive Prosecution, ECF No. 116. Future filings should be directed to the issues before the court.
The whole thing is here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.251.0_4.pdf
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In the excitement over the new evidence in the J/6 case, Judge Chutkan's Order has been overlooked, (Original Post) Ocelot II Oct 2 OP
Don't bitch, moan, whine or complain. Stick to the law! Maeve Oct 2 #1
"bitch, moan, whine or complain" is all they have....... AZ8theist Oct 3 #31
Eloquent way of saying "stuff it. . . . . " Silent Type Oct 2 #2
Works for me! calimary Oct 2 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2 #3
TY & Judge Chutkan! Cha Oct 2 #4
'Not only is that focus unresponsive and unhelpful to the court, elleng Oct 2 #5
That's a serious threat to the lawyers to which they should pay attention. Their licenses are on the line now. ZonkerHarris Oct 2 #11
Yes - why can't they be sanctioned already? TheRickles Oct 3 #16
Hey, donnie.... rubbersole Oct 2 #6
excellent post. and, yes - when a judge makes pointed statements (actually admonishments) stopdiggin Oct 2 #7
Does this mean RexLipton Oct 2 #8
It means that they may no longer argue that the prosecution is politically motivated, Ocelot II Oct 2 #9
They'll likely continue with these BS filings as they think they are "above the process"...bring on the sanctions. n/t iluvtennis Oct 3 #23
Monetary "sanctions" get the attention of even shitty lawyers and their clients ... Tarzanrock Oct 2 #10
I bet any engagement letter with trump says " . . . . plus any fines imposed on client's behalf." Silent Type Oct 2 #13
Thank you for sharing this. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2 #14
The defense lawyers moniss Oct 3 #15
Exactly. I'm sure he reviews everything they file Ocelot II Oct 3 #17
Excellent point. nt moniss Oct 3 #18
"Oversized Brief Order" PedroXimenez Oct 3 #19
Ya think these would fit? Ocelot II Oct 3 #24
Trump Hasn't Needed Top Lawyering To This Point DallasNE Oct 3 #20
I love it when a judge lectures sorry-ass MAGA lawyers for unprofessional behavior that borders on malpractice. Martin68 Oct 3 #21
It is the pattern of traitortrump's life -- he yells and cries about being a victim while he lies and steals. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 3 #22
Not for nothing, I posted that here yesterday. ancianita Oct 3 #25
I love the phrase "unbefitting of experienced defense counsel" LetMyPeopleVote Oct 3 #26
What does the last part mean? See Def Mot? To dismiss? flying_wahini Oct 3 #27
TFG's attorneys have filed a ton of bogus motions LetMyPeopleVote Oct 3 #28
Wow! Sock it to 'em!!!! (remember Laugh In TV show?) Wonder Why Oct 3 #29
Good catch. To all as well. cachukis Oct 3 #30

AZ8theist

(6,540 posts)
31. "bitch, moan, whine or complain" is all they have.......
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 09:18 PM
Oct 3

They CAN'T follow the law, because if they did, his lawyers would "defect" to the prosecution and turn states evidense.
(I know this will never happen.......I'm being sarcastic....)

But his lawyers know he's GUILTY AS HELL!!
It's all delay hoping he gets elected and trashes ALL OF HIS CRIMINAL TRIALS.

elleng

(136,540 posts)
5. 'Not only is that focus unresponsive and unhelpful to the court,
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 09:38 PM
Oct 2

but it is also unbefitting of experienced defense counsel and undermining of the judicial proceedings in this case.'

ZonkerHarris

(25,341 posts)
11. That's a serious threat to the lawyers to which they should pay attention. Their licenses are on the line now.
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 10:55 PM
Oct 2

rubbersole

(8,633 posts)
6. Hey, donnie....
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 09:57 PM
Oct 2

....just a suggestion - next time hire lawyers that don't listen to/follow any suggestion from you on how they should behave in the courtroom. Nah, never mind. Please continue.

stopdiggin

(12,923 posts)
7. excellent post. and, yes - when a judge makes pointed statements (actually admonishments)
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 10:08 PM
Oct 2

such as this, it should be of utmost interest, and well covered.

RexLipton

(98 posts)
8. Does this mean
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 10:23 PM
Oct 2

that tRump's team can no longer stall with all of these bogus filings?

Or, is it just another judge's admonishment to be ignored and forgotten?

Ocelot II

(121,197 posts)
9. It means that they may no longer argue that the prosecution is politically motivated,
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 10:36 PM
Oct 2

and any motions by Trump's lawyers to dismiss any or all of the case on that ground will probably result in sanctions against them.

iluvtennis

(20,908 posts)
23. They'll likely continue with these BS filings as they think they are "above the process"...bring on the sanctions. n/t
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 05:54 PM
Oct 3

Tarzanrock

(465 posts)
10. Monetary "sanctions" get the attention of even shitty lawyers and their clients ...
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 10:40 PM
Oct 2

... like that $970,000 "sanctions" hit which Federal Judge Middlebrooks levied on Alina Habba and Donald J. Turd, jointly and severally, for bringing bogus and frivolous civil actions in his courtroom.

Silent Type

(7,033 posts)
13. I bet any engagement letter with trump says " . . . . plus any fines imposed on client's behalf."
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 11:29 PM
Oct 2

But who can trust him?

moniss

(6,016 posts)
15. The defense lawyers
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 01:25 PM
Oct 3

are making the statements/arguments the client is demanding of them rather than what would be a normal situation. The Orange Ruski looks at each case and every filing as an opportunity for him to do PR. It's all a "performance" to him. Sociopath.

Ocelot II

(121,197 posts)
17. Exactly. I'm sure he reviews everything they file
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 3

to be sure it contains the requisite whining and accusations that he's being treated unfairly by Sleepy Joe's Deep State DoJ. The lawyers have to balance the likelihood that they won't get paid if they fail to include that crap against the likelihood that the court will sanction them if they do include it.

DallasNE

(7,576 posts)
20. Trump Hasn't Needed Top Lawyering To This Point
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 03:04 PM
Oct 3

Because the judges have been in his pocket so I don't see this as a big deal for Trump, the case will likely be dropped either by Trump winning the election or SCOTUS again bailing him out. The corruption is that thick.

Martin68

(24,638 posts)
21. I love it when a judge lectures sorry-ass MAGA lawyers for unprofessional behavior that borders on malpractice.
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 03:48 PM
Oct 3

ancianita

(38,749 posts)
25. Not for nothing, I posted that here yesterday.
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 06:48 PM
Oct 3
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219526728

With only 410 views and 8 recs, it has been overlooked -- definitely by msm -- but not for lack of trying on the part of this poster. Just sayin'.

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,025 posts)
26. I love the phrase "unbefitting of experienced defense counsel"
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 07:15 PM
Oct 3

Most of TFG's briefs opposing the release of the Special Counsel filing were claims that this was a partisan exercise and the facts in the filing should not be released so close to the election. In her opinion releasing the Special Counsel brief, Judge Chutkan called out TFG's counsel for advancing political rhetoric that has no basis in law. The best is when Judge Chutkan noted that TFG's claims are “unbefitting of experienced defense counsel



LetMyPeopleVote

(155,025 posts)
28. TFG's attorneys have filed a ton of bogus motions
Thu Oct 3, 2024, 07:45 PM
Oct 3

One of the motions was based on selective prosecution. Judge Chutkan ruled against that motion a while back and was citing her prior ruling

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