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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm gonna woman'splain something to men here about abortion as health care. Just so you know.
Most women know this stuff but so many men dont that Im going to use my nursing background to tell you. I also have had personal experience with a D&C after losing a twin pregnancy at 20 weeks.
Pregnancy 101 starts here.
Apologies in advance if this is too rudimentary for you.
A D&C is a surgical procedure to remove abnormal tissues from the uterine lining. Dilation and curettage (D&C) is a surgical procedure in which the cervix is opened (dilated) and a thin instrument is inserted into the uterus. This instrument is used to remove tissue from the inside of the uterus (curettage).
Statistically, It is safer than having a tooth pulled.
When a woman miscarries several things can go bad. During the first 3 months (first trimester =12 weeks)
a womans hormones may dip or fluctuate so much that the pregnancy is unsustainable. Sometimes the fetus is malformed or incomplete and isnt going to keep growing normally. Maybe a trauma happens;
at any rate the fetus isnt going to make it. Sometimes women choose to get an abortion for whatever reasons they have. Plan B pills are designed to open and empty the uterus by stimulating a period within a few days of conception. Most of the time these drugs work well and women dont need to see a Dr at all.
Most women in the first trimester just have a hard period and the uterus is emptied. Miscarriage is fairly common and most women have no complications. BUT sometimes there may be something left behind.
Now the uterus, by design is very vascular, after all we produce the bloody lining for an egg every month.
If something isnt passed out it can keep bleeding or just stay behind. The body has hormones telling it hey, youre pregnant and dont let go. So that is considered an Incomplete abortion or miscarriage.
Point: The uterus is NOT empty and in some cases the hormones didnt get the message.
Most people dont know that during the first trimester a womens blood volume is TRIPLED, so when we mean bleeding we are talking about a LOT of blood. The fetus is not yet an ounce in size at twelve weeks.
Most women have missed a period at 6 weeks. By the way abortion nationwide used to be available until 16 weeks. This was kind of the golden week when the heartbeat first starts up. At 20 weeks a fluttering is felt by the mother.
Around the transition into the second trimester things get tricky. Fetus/placenta is growing larger and with all that blood severe complications happen, and can happen quickly. When things go bad to worse, there are the most common problems.
Whatever is going on these problems mean the pregnancy is over, the fetus is dead or dying.
The point is NOTHING will sustain life.
Problems like:
The amniotic fluid is escaped, thru a tear or spontaneous rupture.
The placenta detached and no blood or nutrients can get to fetus.
The fetus just doesnt develop as it should. Trauma can be a factor;
a fall or car wreck, the flu, or just a miscarriage happening late.
The problem at this point is if the fetus is dead and the contents are not expelled it festers.
The further along in the pregnancy the worse the complications.
Now Mom needs real HELP. Second trimester from 12- 20 weeks problems are much more serious.
She will need Mifepristone or a like drug to stimulate contractions to expel the remainder
and sometimes followed with a D&C to suction out anything left behind.
This is the SAME drug that is used in labor/delivery to stimulate labor or post partum bleeding.
Also some women will also need a D&C in a timely manner.
These drugs and procedures will save almost anybody. They are fairly simple to perform and effective.
Unless you wait.
A high fatality rate is associated with bleedouts. I am talking a LOT of blood, too. (Remember that blood volume is tripled by now).
NOW Mom needs a transfusion and possibly (in severe bleeds)
surgery to remove the uterus before they bleed to death. QUICKLY too. This is the way we used to do it.
Now with our draconian laws, the Dr thinks she will spontaneously abort on her own and he just has to wait for this. Fever, pain and advancing systemic infection is setting in.
Now, If the contents are still there, the patient may have waited weeks, sometime months the woman is going into sepsis. A systemic infection that goes into every organ . Kidneys shut down, patient can go into shock or a coma. Death is imminent. Surgery and heavy medical support is your only hope.
They will take the whole uterus is it gets this far.
NOW imagine bleeding out in a parking lot with your husband, because the Dr is worried about losing his or her license. Or losing consciousness and waking up without a uterus because YOU waited too long.
Or explaining to her family why she died.
I will add that I saw a statistic that most of the women that have abortions are married with 3 children at home.
Sorry if this went on too long, but I keep seeing erroneous posts about abortion (not here usually)
and had to clear this up.
Thanks for listening to my womansplaining rant.
spooky3
(38,238 posts)WarGamer
(18,231 posts)FirefighterJo
(442 posts)To hear the truth. What life is all about. The Utérus is the cradle of life. So fragile and special. And yet so powerful. The woman as its guardian x we as men only plant the seed but are expected to care for and guard the fruit. Thank you x
eppur_se_muova
(40,919 posts)Never fathered a child myself, but this is exactly the kind of thing I would want to know before even considering conception.
Girard442
(6,817 posts)...to hate knowledge, hate science, and hate women.
Not hard if you're a MAGAt.
central scrutinizer
(12,648 posts)And my wife had a D&C each time as soon as possible. We do have a wonderful daughter. After the last one I did a vasectomy. That was more than enough.
eppur_se_muova
(40,919 posts)How many Uglicans have you seen explaining that they changed their views on LGBT+ issues only *AFTER* one of their children came out ? Until that happened, it was perfectly all right (pun) to be not just ignorant but utterly unimaginative about what those affected must experience. They didn't even *TRY* to think about the real consequences of their actions -- just their ultra-simplistic, simple-minded notions of "we don't like that, make it illegal and then everything will be better".
Abortions, of course, only happened to mistresses, who were just property anyway.
alwaysinasnit
(5,538 posts)CrispyQ
(40,651 posts)And the additional medical bills because of the wait. There will be lawsuits, I'm sure, over the additional debt families have incurred due to draconian abortion laws & there should be.
Real men realize abortion is a very private issue that the state has absolutely no business sticking their nose in just like other medical procedures.
Blue Full Moon
(3,123 posts)While almost everyone would be concerned about the health and well-being of women and children. Republicans really end up just concerned about money. Medical bills and how to pay for child care are expenditures.
But also it could be they love money. Maybe the thought of they could sue and get even more money is more of a driving force.
Hugin
(37,366 posts)Can a D&C be required for conditions not related to pregnancy?
yardwork
(68,933 posts)D&Cs are used to treat numerous issues unrelated to pregnancy. My mom had one years after menopause because she started bleeding again.
Hugin
(37,366 posts)Thanks, yardwork.
littlemissmartypants
(31,536 posts)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molar_pregnancy
Hugin
(37,366 posts)Already in this short discussion, I've learned something.
littlemissmartypants
(31,536 posts)flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Went into Renal failure and was about to die before they took it and the mole. She very nearly
almost died and is still voting for Trump. Go figure.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)I needed a tissue biopsy of my uterine wall because of a bleeding issue. Basically an abortion without a pregnancy. Very painful.
littlemissmartypants
(31,536 posts)Lunabell
(7,309 posts)That was decades ago but I can still remember as I was lying on the exam table, wanting to kick my Gynecologist in the face, lol. Thank goodness it was a negative biopsy.
Collimator
(2,077 posts). . . because I had been bleeding, on and off, for nearly 6 weeks (or possibly longer.). It sounds crazy, but I was under so much stress going through a divorce at the time that I wasn't really counting the days. I just thought that I had one of those lingering periods and another one that came after a short cycle.
It wasn't until I sat down with my therapist and starting talking about everything that was happening to me that I realized that I was having a physical health problem. I had just become so used to feeling weak and miserable. My therapist gave me what for and pushed me to see a GYN.
Hugin
(37,366 posts)I was only aware it involved something like a D&C and that's why I asked.
Thanks for enlightening me!
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Im sure there are issues with cancer related causes, but most usually it is used for regular abortions and complications of miscarriage.
Whatthe_Firetruck
(610 posts)I'm post menopausal (60ish) but have been having heavy bleeding issues for most of my adult life.
I've having mobility issues so a home.nurse was paying me visits. At the end of August she came by, looked at the paleness of my face and called 911. I wound up in the hospital where they documented me passing blood clots the size of golf to tennis balls and a bloodcount in the basement.
They gave me 3 units of blood, a d&c, then another unit of blood and two units of iron. They put me on northendrone(sic) then doubled it when I was still clotting. To be perfectly honest I hoped they'd just take my uterus so I'd be done with the bleeding but no such luck.
My youngest was born in '85, and my husband had a vasectomy shortly after. So my current situation has nothing to do with pregnancy, But it was necessary to save my life.
Hugin
(37,366 posts)I hope your recovery is complete.
summer_in_TX
(4,030 posts)They are benign, but they cause unusually heavy and irregular periods. Blood flows can very quickly go through tampons and pads and clothes. Very embarrassing to deal with, especially teaching at my son's school.
I had a D&C, then a tubal ligation, since we didn't intend to have more than the two children we already had. I'd developed severe anemia because of all of the blood loss, so had to take liquid medicine with iron to recover.
Hugin
(37,366 posts)For which a D&C may be required as part of a treatment plan.
Shame on those zealots for trying to vilify and legislate away things that they have no personal stake in and dont understand.
MiHale
(12,587 posts)We had a couple pregnancies that didnt work out. All I could do was be there for her.
bluesbassman
(20,372 posts)Unfortunately far, far too many Republican men havent a clue about how any of that works, yet feel qualified to make unilateral life and death medical decisions for all women because someone checked their name on a ballot. Its maddening to me, I cant even begin to know how women process their feelings about this issue were now dealing with again.
milestogo
(22,493 posts)they might have more empathy.
Cadfael
(1,355 posts)If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.
SharonAnn
(14,136 posts)And she NEVER questioned that those were all the right things for her to do.
She died as a still a practicing Catholic.
BattleRow
(2,089 posts)3catwoman3
(28,551 posts)...on every corner.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)HEALTHCARE. Sometimes there are NO other options.
This is something women die over -Not getting life saving medication and care.
They hear the word abortion and thats as far as their brains go.
We REALLY need to use the term D&C for incomplete abortions.
Abortion has a stigma old men cant get around.
yardwork
(68,933 posts)They passed an anti-abortion law in the middle of the night after refusing to allow physicians, nurses, and other health care providers to testify. No expert input allowed.
North Carolina's law isn't as bad as some but it's bad enough. It's already difficult for women to find doctors and hospitals to deliver babies. Doctors will leave these states and more hospitals will close. And the Trumpsters will have succeeded in creating more chaos and dysfunction, which is their goal.
ShazzieB
(22,192 posts)They know that if they let the doctors talk, they will hear about all the ways that their precious abortion bans will harm people, and they'd rather not know about those things. It's the legislative equivalent of this:

They also deliberately make any exceptions to their bans as vague as possible, because they see them as loopholes that doctors might "take advantage of" to provide abortion care to women who don't (in their opinion) "need" it. What if a few women are harmed or even die as a result? No biggie. Saving the "babies" from those irresponsible sluts who can't keep their legs together is all they care about!
Wednesdays
(21,554 posts)...and have 3 kids already.
LauraInLA
(2,248 posts)Permanut
(7,961 posts)Great post, thank you.
Tanuki
(16,279 posts)c-rational
(3,129 posts)Wounded Bear
(63,809 posts)I've always supported women't health care in all of its facets up to and including abortion on demand.
As for the details, I want women everywhere to have access to experts that know about and take care of all that. It's part of life, and those religious nutcases trying to turn the US into Gilead should grow up and mind their own fucking business.
littlemissmartypants
(31,536 posts)At Virginia Beach General Hospital for what felt like forever. Because I was on a stretcher and kept fainting.
I will never forget what the nurse said when she pulled back the sheet as I was being wheeled down the hall. Particularly because she was So Loud which aside from being wholly unprofessional was and is bad form for an ER nurse or any health care provider of any kind.
She said, "Oh, my God there's so much blood!"
I had started bleeding in the morning getting ready for work. By this time it was one in the afternoon.
I had been waiting with my terrified husband, bleeding for five hours.
I knew that I had already lost our baby. But only now, after reading this do I know how close I myself must have been to something potentially catastrophic and possibly fatal.
Thanks so much for taking the time to share this.
❤️
LostOne4Ever
(9,733 posts)No Text
ShazzieB
(22,192 posts)I already knew most of it, but I appreciate the refresher!
malaise
(292,500 posts)She wanted a daughter so badly. They were thrilled when she was pregnant with her girl. Then everything went wrong. The scumbags in Florida would probably have let her die today.
Thankfully shes still around enjoying a grand daughter
nolabear
(43,847 posts)Yes, I knew, having had both children and an abortion, and caring enough to find out, but you did a wonderful job of womansplaining. Part of me wishes Kamala would just recite this in one of her speeches.
MaryMagdaline
(7,938 posts)MaryMagdaline
(7,938 posts)Warpy
(114,375 posts)Somebody has to tell these religious knuckleheads that. I've been trying to do it for years. I pass the torch to you, so thanks.
Yes, I was a nurse.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Im a man and didnt know some of the stuff you wrote. More men need to be willing to be educated.
TBF
(35,564 posts)rather than the click-bait Trump story of the day.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)I was the oldest child in my family. My mother gave birth to and raised 4 living children during the Baby Boom. During my first 9 years of life she was pregnant 7 times.
Of the pregnancies she lost, one was a full term stillbirth. One was a complete mess of a miscarriage in which she nearly bled out in the operating room and had a classic out of body experience. (I did ask her what it was, meaning gender, and she said the docs said they couldnt even tell how many it was, it was such a mess.) The other miscarriage was incomplete, and she just lived with chronic blood loss, anemia, and utter exhaustion until the family doc noticed her ill health and questioned her when she brought us kids in for something, at which point he ordered her to to go for a D&C.
A D&C was standard of care, for Gods sake, for a variety of female troubles, way back in the 1940s and 1950s. And now in the 21st century Talibornagain fanatics and fascist idiots have redefined it as abortion. Seems they have decided anything to do with our lady-parts is an abortion.
Thats it. Ive been careful and lucky and my contraceptives of choice always worked for me. But heres something bizarre: the same religious fanatics and fascists long ago redefined the contraceptives I used in my fertile years as abortifacients, meaning they will lie about anything and everything to do with female reproductive care. And they really do not care if women die.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)And their husbands would NOT sign allowance for sterilization form.
In Texas, as in many states, the husbands signature was required.
These women would beg and cry and plead and they WOULD NOT SIGN. Saying it was not against GOD.
Oh the tears and here we are decades later it still haunts me.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)With my last brother (now age 67) Dr O wasnt sure if she was going to have to have a C-section, since baby was sideways, then breech, and only at the very end did he present properly. In any case, the good doctor said if she was already open for a C-section, he could call on a colleague to do a tubal ligation, and he could turn his back. As it was, baby was born okay and it was my dad who went and got his tubes tied. But Dr O was right to worry about her health.
madinmaryland
(65,662 posts)After our daughter was born. One was about nine weeks and the other at 14 weeks.
Thanks for the very detailed information.
LogDog75
(1,077 posts)Too often when we, especially men, discuss abortion it is in the aspect of legality and individual rights. Your explanation takes it to a higher level, that of the biological and medical causes which most people don't know or understand. Thank you for explaining and educating us.
MontanaMama
(24,609 posts)Needed to be said. All of it.
Sogo
(6,971 posts)I have waited for years for a medical professional to step forward and set the record straight.
It remains to be seen if the religious fanatics want to live in a first world country....
Joinfortmill
(19,991 posts)and their draconian laws that are killing women. I hate them all.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)phrase "First do no harm" Should hang in every surgical suite.
FSogol
(47,521 posts)rockbluff botanist
(360 posts)As a biologist, I hear men ever so confidently talk about planting a seed. Sperm are not a seed! This is total crap. Sperm do not implant and grow, ever!! These idiots actually believe this is what happens. Reproductive biology education is desperately needed in school curriculum. It is different than Sex Ed.
An ovum can and does develop into a living creature in some species. Research has been done on the possibility of parthenogenesis in humans. The resulting offspring are all females, for now. This cannot be done with a sperm.
Up until fairly recently, the science of biology has been male driven. The female ovum always given a back seat to the manly sperm. Oh, he gushes, (no pun intended) about the millions of his sperm produced every day. It takes so much less to produce sperm than an ovum.
The Egg and the Sperm: How Science Has Constructed a Romance Based on Stereotypical Male-Female Roles by Emily Martin is a logic and science driven paper that should be read.
There is ample evidence to show that as millions of human sperm cells swim towards a waiting ovum or egg, only one gets to fertilize it. Now, a new study shows that even though the fastest and most capable sperms reach the ovum first, it is the egg that has the final say on which sperm fertilizes it. This study is titled, "Chemical signals from eggs facilitate cryptic female choice in humans."
This new study by researchers from the U.K. and Sweden, looked at the dynamics between the waiting ovum and the sperms that swim towards it. The team says that there is a chemical communication that occurs between the female reproductive system that receives the sperm and the incoming sperm cells from the male partner. They explained that the primary mechanism might be known, but the molecular mechanism that forms the basis of choice of sperm cell by the egg is not clear. They write, "there is a growing appreciation that females can bias sperm use and paternity by exerting cryptic female choice for preferred males."
This is a fascinating area of research. There is much that is not as it historically seems.
Thank you for listening to my female biology-splaining.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Arent getting that male driven medicine doesnt address women much at all.
Maybe they feel left out of the process and it is the way they assert their power.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)Apparently it has been anthologized along the way, in a feminist oriented book of scientific studies, as well.
Also found the more recent study. I do remember reading something about this some years back, and it gave me a chuckle at the time.
Researchgate.net appears to be generous in sharing these pdfs, which is not always the case.
Anyone else who is interested can just copy-paste the info as you give it, ie author and title.
CTyankee
(67,762 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)but when a woman has had a violent crime commited against her, how dare we allow the law to dictate what her reproductive future should be?
CTyankee
(67,762 posts)electric_blue68
(25,740 posts)LittleGirl
(8,944 posts)I wasnt able to get pregnant and because of my constant bleeding, I was put on birth control. I had to get a doctor note for my insurance to cover them because I worked for a Catholic university. That was the late 80s.
I know many women who have had children with complications and near death experiences even before Dobbs overturned Roe. I lost a nephew at 8 months gestation because the mother had pregnancy induced diabetes she wasnt aware of. The baby died in vitro. My bff had two abortions because she was single and would get deathly ill while pregnant. She never wanted children but her birth control failed twice, ten years apart.
Bayard
(28,473 posts)Thanks for posting this. Very valuable and sensible.
My biggest gripe, (other than the obvious,) is the people claiming to hear a heartbeat at 6 weeks.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,499 posts)Timeflyer
(3,651 posts)to explain to men, esp. GOP, what the heck really happens with pregnancy and why, for $#%^&**&xgd sake, abortion is healthcare. And patients and doctors, nobody else, should be involved in the decisions.
Maybe there is such an item, but getting into the right hands, and getting the info past the forced-birther mind barriers, will be hard.
Womansplain away--don't you wish you didn't have to? Over and over? Thanks for your post.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)Or in the more advanced Young Readers sections. Start with Womens Health.
At one time I had a beautifully photographed book of the developing fetus, but cant find it just now. I also have at hand a wonderful pop-up book that I got at the local Planned Parenthood Annual Used Book Sale unfortunately its all in Swedish or a similar Nordic language. The artwork is fantastic, including very detailed male genitalia, often overlooked. Authors are Jonathan Miller and David Pelham, publisher is Brombergs, title is Borjan Till Livet (umlaut over the O )
One thing that must be included and emphasized is progression from fertilized egg to recognizable human. I knew this all from an early age (thanks Mom) but recently had a surprising conversation with a highly intelligent pro-feminist man who didnt know that at 6 weeks gestation there is not only no heart with which to have a heartbeat, but that the entire thing is only about 1/4 long and looks like nothing human yet. One effect of the relentless propaganda over the past 50+ years was to make him (and probably countless others) imagine that a homunculus existed from the first month.
Ilsa
(63,806 posts)of education and training. Government agencies have reviewed longitudinal data on these women's health issues. The experts should be trusted on this subject, and bureaucrats should stay out of it. Stare decisis.
Shermann
(9,004 posts)canetoad
(20,165 posts)And I wish I could rec your post much more than once. Thank you for taking the time to lay it out in common language that even a Supreme Court Justice could understand.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)GAJMac
(257 posts)The perfect retort to men who have no understanding.
"It's not your body"
Period. I don't have a uterus, so I don't have a dog in that fight.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Doctors who are so weak as to worry about ramifications of performing D&Cs need to SCREAMED at by these husbands in the ER or Drs office. And I mean SCREAM!!!!
Something on the lines like DO SOMETHING NOW!
Women may not be in shape to advocate for themselves. They are counting on their men to step forward and give a concise medical history. If you have to LIE and say she has had a a 102* fever at home, then LIE.
There is no way a nurse who hasnt actually examined the patient will argue with a Dr about a boggy and bleeding out woman. Well they may, but its their word against everyone elses.
Besides I think most nurses are HORRIFIED about what Dobbs has done.
They would rather see a living patient any day.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Its none of their business.
Kali
(56,600 posts)"during the first trimester a womens blood volume is TRIPLED"
no, this is not correct. normal increase is less than 50% though it can be more. also the main increase is later.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,159 posts)That number stood out to me, as well, so I double-checked my recollection. I scanned the replies to see if anyone caught it before I did - and apparently at least one did several hours ago.
It's a fantastic post - but in case people don't read through the replies it would be even better if the OP had the correct increase in blood volume.
B.See
(7,684 posts)COMPASSIONATE, and factual COMMON SENSE - the likes of which the so-called 'pro lifers' the Trump SYCOPHANTS, and the maga 'anti-woke' 'cultural' warriors don't WANT to know
(whatever the fk 'woke' is supposed to mean to them. I believe it means knowledge as opposed to WILLFUL IGNORANCE).
As if women don't already go thru enough with a pregnancy, without these jackasses.
So thanks so much for the enlightenment.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)when modern pharmacology and safe surgical techniques did not exist.
One of my ggg-grandfathers was married 3 times. His first wife died giving birth to their 4th child. The baby lived. Relatives helped care for the baby and other children. He remarried 2 years after losing his wife. His second wife died within a year of their wedding, of complications in a miscarriage/early birth in her one and only pregnancy. The fetus/baby died, too. They are buried together in a family plot.
He married again 5 years later. His third wife was my ggg-grandmother. My gg-grandmother was her 5th child.
Walk through the old section (1600s through 1800s and early 1900s) of cemeteries and look at the dates of birth and death for the women. You will see many who died in their 20s and 30s. Some will be buried with infants whose death dates are the same as the mother. Dates in family plots will tell similar stories to my ggg-grandfather's wives.
That is the era that MAGAs want to return to.
HeartsCanHope
(1,525 posts)FakeNoose
(40,093 posts)Not only is access to a properly-administered D&C essential to saving a woman's life, it can also preserve a woman's fertility. Improper or nonexistent prenatal care can lead to a woman's inability to ever bear children in the future.
Is that what the Repukes want when they ban abortions? I don't think so.
flying_wahini
(8,247 posts)And thats the problem.
I feel so bad for these people who trust their Drs and get screwed around or killed because of it.
I think all MEN and women need to speak up about it. They are stuck in the 50s.
IbogaProject
(5,586 posts)Almost half of women would die at some time during their child bearing years as recently as 120 years ago as far as I've heard from these situations.
bdamomma
(69,150 posts)is something not to be taken lightly. These are the cold-hearted facts, and women are dying because the assault on women. This is 2024, not 1624.
This assault on women has to stop, they will pay for this decision when we get cast our votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wendyb-NC
(4,601 posts)This is a must read. Women's health is so important. Sometimes it's a matter of life or death.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,746 posts)You said "abortion nationwide used to be available until 16 weeks. This was kind of the golden week when the heartbeat first starts."
Am I correct that this is referring to a real heartbeat, involving an organ and blood and stuff, and not the kind of "heartbeat" that "heartbeat laws" about abortion refer to? (I think they could more accurately be referred to as "cells emitting electrons" laws.)
philly_bob
(2,431 posts)Only part I misunderstood was "pregnancy is vascular" because I didn't know what vascular meant
mdbl
(8,063 posts)These moron legislators in dumb states that passed these draconian laws are too stupid to find out that a miscarriage where the fetus won't expel and has to be removed is also clinically called an abortion, even though it's dead - but they're too dumb and lazy to find this out.
mucholderthandirt
(1,749 posts)Our only purpose is to drop babies and take care of our man. That's it. No job, no career, no calling for the greater good. Leave Daddy's house, be the husband's "help meet", be available for him at any time, what we want doesn't matter, have many, many babies.
Oh, wait, that's for white women. For everyone else, no more babies. No mixed babies, no brown, black, red or yellow babies. Only good, white, Christian women are supposed to be making babies. Got to get rid of the "mud people", right?
I once scared a coworker half to death when I reminded her that science says we all are descended from a little brown female hominid in Africa, called "Mitochondrial Eve". We came from apes that stepped down from the trees, on the plains of Africa. Everything else is mutations or adaptations. Biblical Eve wasn't made from Adam's rib, that's a fairy tale.
if..fish..had..wings
(873 posts)thank you
surfered
(11,342 posts)Mr. Mustard 2023
(345 posts)Wild blueberry
(8,121 posts)KT2000
(21,928 posts)She is retired now but every so often she brings up the fact that women bleed out. It haunts her. I am grateful you have written this and I will share it with others.
lostnfound
(17,387 posts)Having gone through childbirth and also reading a lot, I knew most of these things but you connected some dots.
Does it make any sense to ban abortion under 12 weeks, when the embryo is less than an ounce? Absurd.
Does it make any sense to ban them over 20 weeks, when almost all abortions are caused by a medical crisis? Deadly.
Does it make sense to ban them in between, just so government can exercise control over womens bodies during that in-between time, at the cost of unacceptable intrusions into health privacy and intimate suffering? Misogyny and arrogance.