Biden regrets appointing Garland

[SocialDemocrat61]

From Bob Woodward’s new book

Furious Biden wanted to FIRE Merrick Garland over Hunter's court cases, Bob Woodward's new book reveals
Joe Biden regrets picking Attorney General Merrick Garland to lead his Justice Department after the agency prosecuted his son Hunter.

Publicly, Biden has remained hands off with his son's tax and gun legal troubles, but in private his anger towards his Attorney General has simmered, according to excerpts of journalist Bob Woodward's new book obtained by CNN.

'Should never have picked Garland,' Biden told an associate, Woodward writes. 'This is never going to f**king go away.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13937523/Joe-Biden-FIRE-Attorney-General-Merrick-Garland-Hunter-court-cases.html

[SamKnause]

1. We regret that you picked Garland as well.

He has been totally useless.

[Think. Again.]

37. +1000

[Janbdwl72]

114. Garland has been by far Biden's worst appointment

He should have appointed a special prosecutor or led the prosecution of the Orange Maniac himself within the first few months of 2021.

And after he was not even given a hearing when Obama tried to appoint him to the Supreme Court. He has helped insure that Trump won't be held accountable for one of the worst actions of any President in history--not cooperating with the transfer of power.

[quakerboy]

198. I dunno. dejoy is also pretty bad

[mdbl]

201. Biden didn't pick Dejoy

[quakerboy]

203. effectively

He has replaced most of the postal board with people who have chosen to retain dejoy. He also declined to replace several trump appointed board members when their terms were up, allowing them to maintain their power. Dejoy is a choice that biden has confirmed.

[czarjak]

199. The SC was more than glad to help and did and is.

[republianmushroom]

119. Amen, brother, Amen !

[brush]

159. Me too. If Sally Yates, SC Smith or Preet Bharaha had been picked trump would've been tried and jailed...

long ago for J6 and the MAL docs cases. Now the fucker gets away with much of his criminal doings not known to voters before the election.

Hope once VP Harris wins, she shows Garland the door and tells him not to let it hit in the ass as he leaves.

[Evolve Dammit]

206. Susan Rice? Glenn Kirschner?

[brush]

210. Susan Rice? The 3 I mentioned are former US Attorneys.

[Evolve Dammit]

211. Not disagreeing. Just suggesting others who had some attributes for the job.

[SheltieLover]

6. I've read garland is a Federalist

A search for garland & that horrid org turns up a page dedicated to garland.

let's hope Kamala appoings Dems to ALL positions, ESP FBI & DOJ.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. Garland moderated/spoke at forums hosted by Fed Soc

As did former members of the Clinton and Obama administration.

You don’t have to be a member to speak there.

If he had been a member, why did Mitch block him? Wouldn’t Leonard Leo have approved of Garland’s nomination to SCOTUS if he were a Fed Soc member?

[gab13by13]

14. Garland moderated 11

Federalist Society events. They even gave him a nickname because he moderated so many.

You are still giving the love to Garland.

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. My love is for reality and verifiable facts.

If he were a Fed Soc member, wouldn’t Mitch have expedited his confirmation instead of obstructing it?

[Think. Again.]

40. Maybe mitch wanted someone else?

[magicarpet]

85. Yes,... like someone who would enter through the backdoor but pass the ,...

.... but pass the litmus test to shit trash and nix Roe VS Wade at the first available opportunity.

Garland was too much of a moderate fence sitter who was more inclined to maintain the status quo, not wanting to rock the boat.

Leonard Leo was looking for rabid Fascist Christian Nationalists to pack his court. Garland had not one drop of Opus Dei blood in his veins - so Garland failed the litmus test and his membership card to the USSC was rescinded right out of the gate.

[hadEnuf]

95. Moscow Mitch didn't want ANYONE that Obama nomiated.

It was Obama derangement syndrome.

[Think. Again.]

102. That actually makes the most sense and seems most true.

[hadEnuf]

117. Seems that way.

The Republicans even voted against their own bills if Obama was for them.

[B.See]

131. Not only that, he threatened they'd NEVER

fill that seat if Hilary were elected.

[SocialDemocrat61]

45. For McConnell it was more about Obama

than it was about Garland.

[dpibel]

83. Maybe all Federalists are not equal

You seem to believe that Leonard Leo will just front any old Federalist Society member. There are quite a few of them, you know. And there may even be some variation in how lunatic they are.

[Fiendish Thingy]

88. But the accusations some are making...

Is that Garland is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican and hard core Fed Soc member, which is the root cause of the delays in brining Trump to Justice, because of Garland’s deliberate obstruction and “foot dragging”.

[Cirsium]

101. No they aren't

People aren't saying that Garland is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican and hard core Fed Soc member ad that that is the root cause of the delays in bringing Trump to Justice. You are misrepresenting the views of those with whom you disagree in order to make them look ridiculous.

People are frustrated first and foremost with the fact that Trump has bee on a crime spree and that the DOJ under Garland seems to be unable to put a check on that crime spree. Doesn't that bother you? They then look for an explanation, and their logical guess is that Garland is sympathetic to one degree or another with the conservative cause.

[Fiendish Thingy]

122. We agree that Trump should face Justice

But my perspective is based on reality, rather than emotional reactions and presumptions to the passage of time and a lack of public information.

Some of the posters on this thread have indeed stated that Garland is a Republican and Fed Soc member, and that is the basis for his deliberate “delay” of the investigations.

[brush]

161. Your reality is yours, others may differ. And I don't recall what Garland's party affiliation is. Pres O. may...

picked someone who he considered a moderate republican that McConnell would approve of.

Do you know if he's a Democrat or Republican?

[Fiendish Thingy]

173. There is but one reality

Nobody has confirmed Garland’s party registration, if he has one.

[republianmushroom]

127. And those accusations could be true, correct.

[dchill]

129. No. He's just a really bad prosecutor.

[Fiendish Thingy]

148. Tell that to Ted Kazinski and Timothy McVeigh. Nt

[dpibel]

146. Diversion

Your claim was that Garland should have been an automatic if he was a hard-core Federalist.

That is by no means a given. How did he stack up against Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barret?

Not to mention the fact, pointed out by others in this discussion, that McConnell pulled the strings on the Garland nomination, and there's a pretty good bet that it was more about beating Obama than about pleasing Leonard Leo.

[brush]

160. He's operated as a rethug if you ask me, especailly in his slowness in moving on the J6 case...

and appointing that republican Hur as SC to investigate the docs found in Biden's office and home after the Obama admin.

WTF was that? And then just releasing Hur's report without editing questionable assertions.

Garland is very suspect and has done a poor job IMO.

[PufPuf23]

86. Reality and the verifiable facts are that Garland kicked the cans down the

road and hung out with individuals of questionable motives in his professional life as a judge and DOJ.

No pols directly involved with January 6 are subject to serious risk going into the 4 year later round of elections.

Shameful as are the flimsy excuses for the items that have caused the present status.

[Fiendish Thingy]

91. Those are your opinions, not facts.

Proving “Kicking the can down the road” requires evidence of intent to delay, and there is none.

Time passed, it took longer than you’d like, and very little information on the process has become public.

That doesn’t create a verifiable fact regarding Garland’s intent- it simply can’t be proven or established, and assumptions to the contrary only serve to assuage the feelings of those who can’t deal with ambiguity.

[brush]

162. Hah. There's no harder fact than trump has not been tried for J6 nearly 4 years after...

exciting an insurrection against the US government.

[Fiendish Thingy]

188. Indeed, time has passed, and no J6 trial yet

That is a fact.

Opinion enters the conversation as soon as someone attempts to answer “why”? the trial hasn’t happened yet.

[republianmushroom]

176. Well Thingy, this is an opinion site, and not a fact site.

But this is a fact 44 months and counting.

[quakerboy]

200. no.

McConnell killed romneycare because Obamas name got attached. Rs recently killed a mostly republican anti immigration bill.

The folks you mentioned are about raw power. I dont know if garland is a federalist. But even if he is, they didn't want a moderate federalist who might take a middle line and cared about the institutions of government and appearances, they wanted a radicalwho would overturn long settled cases with no regard for consequences.

[MadameButterfly]

194. Obama appointed Garland because Republicans said

he was someone they could support as a Justice. Republicans wouldn't have cited Garland if there wasn't something about him they liked. Obama knew he needed Republican cooperation--I'm sure Garland wasn't his first pick.

Biden wasn't under the same constraints as Obama when picking AG. Doug Jones was high on Biden's list, but Jones would have made a lot of racists mad. But he wouldn't have hesitated to do his job.

Dems keep trying to show they are fair by being "moderate" when the Right is going to cry foul no matter what we do.

[JT45242]

49. Because he wanted shove Obama's nose in who holds the real power

They blocked everything Obama did to prove their racist agenda had more power than his words about change.

[jalan48]

99. Mitch was one of 20 Republicans to vote to confirm Garland as AG. I think he knew who he was getting.

[TwilightZone]

25. Still false.

He's never been a member. That's another myth that won't die.

[stopdiggin]

72. produce evidence that he is a member?

why not?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

128. Evidence is not needed for this hatefest.

[republianmushroom]

175. Evidence is not needed, this is an "Opinion Site", not a court of law.

[yobrault1]

35. Some thought that is why Obama

picked him, thinking his connections to the FS would get him past the Tea Turtle 🐢

[SheltieLover]

38. I have no idea. I've only shared what I've read.

And he may not be a "member," but has been reported to be seen at various Federalist events.

Rubbing elbows with slime is never a good look, imo.

[brush]

163. Yep, like some are not 'made men' of La Cosa Nostra, but are close associates.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

15. Did you read why Joe Biden doesn't like him?

It's not the reason most anti-Garland DUers give.

[LizBeth]

62. Right. Yes, by chance.... I did read why...he is bothered. I hear ya.

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. Some of them are no longer here

I believe a few were banned.

[gab13by13]

60. I have scars

I never said he was a member of the FS, but he certainly loved moderating their events.
Then we got spanked for bashing Democrats and I don’t think Garland is a Democrat.

[dalton99a]

32. +1

[LizBeth]

61. Right on....

[BannonsLiver]

3. Looks like the great DU Garland debate is at an end.

A good time for his supporters here to take a (long overdue) seat.

[BWdem4life]

19. Not that it matters, but yes

I have always been on the anti-Garland side. Why we Democrats insist on appointing Republicans or R-lite is beyond me.

[brush]

164. Agreed. I doubt VP Harris will.

[slightlv]

205. I think Harris has already said she'll be making her

administration bipartisan to a certain point. They would help get her elected, so they deserved consideration... or something like that. Heard it not long after the Convention...

[LeftInTX]

157. No because the article doesn't say much of anything. It's the DM and Bob Woodward. Smearing Biden.

Not too impressed with Woodward in the past 10 years or so. ( I think he's more supportive of GOP. He trashed Obama after Benghazi)
However, it was about Hunter.
That to me is not substance and it is smearing Biden.
Paraphrasing: " I don't like him because he prosecuted my kid"

[dsp3000]

4. Yeah fuck that guy.

[Silent Type]

5. Although H Biden's prosecution was BS, don't think it sounds good if Biden actually said that.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

13. As long as he didn't try to influence the DOJ, I think he's fine.

But yes, it is a dicey area.

[LeftInTX]

158. I think Woodward leans GOP and it's the DM

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. The only regrets reported in the article were those over Garland's prosecution of Hunter

No mention made of Biden’s feelings regarding Garland’s investigations and prosecutions of Trump’s crimes.

He could have fired Garland (while staying hands off on Hunter’s investigation), but chose not to.

[gab13by13]

16. Need a list again

Of the numerous times Garland dropped the ball?

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. It's a list that only exists in your imagination

According to the infamous WaPo exposè, Garland pursued investigations of Trump’s crimes despite obstruction and resistance from pro-Trump career (read: unionized staff who couldn’t be summarily fired) DOJ and FBI staff.

Jack Smith started on third base thanks to Garland & team’s (who make up the bulk of Smith’s team) initial investigations and court battles around executive privilege, attorney client privilege, etc.

When Cannon dismissed Jack Smith’s documents indictments, it was the evidence Garland collected before Smith was appointed, including the critical evidence from the Mar a Lago search warrant, that was preserved and remains admissible even if an appeals court upholds Cannon’s dismissal of the charges (which makes all the evidence gathered by Smith inadmissible).

If Garland had indicted Trump the day after he was sworn in as AG, we would still have gotten the immunity ruling, just sooner, and there is no guarantee Trump would have stood trial for his federal charges (those that SCOTUS allowed) would have happened by now.

And now, we find out from Woodward’s book that the only complaints from Biden about Garland were regarding the investigation and prosecution of his son- no complaints about Trump investigations were mentioned.

Sounds like Joe agrees with me.

[Think. Again.]

46. Yeah, I doubt Biden would talk about ...

...firing garland in words that would seem partisan, but I also think Biden's frustration might have come from NOT BEING ABLE to fire garland for legitimate disappointment in garland's work once Hunter was being prosecuted.

[Fiendish Thingy]

51. He could have fired Garland, as long as the special prosecutor for Hunter remained in place. Nt

[Think. Again.]

53. Ha! No, the rightwingers would have nailed him to the wall.

[Fiendish Thingy]

59. The RW doesn't need an excuse

What would they do, impeach Biden? For firing a cabinet member who serves at the pleasure of the president?

As long as Hunter’s SC remained in place, the story would have lasted a week tops, probably less, because Garland would have resigned as soon as he knew he had lost the president’s confidence.

But Biden chose not to fire him, so the point is moot.

[gab13by13]

63. So when should we expect Garland to resign?

[Fiendish Thingy]

68. As soon as the next administration comes on board.

I’m assuming this Woodward story is news to Garland as well as us- if it isn’t, then I would expect he has already offered his resignation and it was rejected by Biden, for the reasons outlined in the article,

But either way, it seems clear that Garland’s continuation as AG was Biden’s choice.

[Think. Again.]

70. Biden couldn't fire garland once the Hunter investigation started...

...which could be why it was started at all.

garland will hold on as long as possible, there are statutes of limitations that still have to be run out.

[Fiendish Thingy]

87. There are/were no legal obstacles to Biden firing Garland

It was completely his choice, nothing was holding him back legally.

[Think. Again.]

94. Yes, legally....

... but Biden doesn't make dumb political moves like that would be.

[Cirsium]

187. Political obstacles

Obviously it would be a political problem for Biden to fire Garland once his son was being investigated.

[Fiendish Thingy]

189. I disagree.

The political fallout would come only if Biden ordered the dismissal of Hunter’s SC.

Firing Garland would have no impact on the SC.

[Cirsium]

190. Pretty funny

You don't think there would be a huge uproar is the AG was fired by the president while his son was under investigation?

[Think. Again.]

66. Apparently he wishes he did.

[Fiendish Thingy]

69. But chose not to.

And in any case, his regrets aren’t related to the outrage expressed on this thread.

[Think. Again.]

75. That we know of.

It doesn't seem like Biden to want to fire an AG only because his son is being prosecuted, that's a little too trumpesque to believe.

[BaronChocula]

105. Exactly

There were rumblings early on of Biden's disappointment and it relates not to the Hunter Biden case, but Garland acting like more of a "ponderous judge" than a prosecutor.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10681291/Biden-wants-AG-Garland-decisive-action-Jan-6-said-Trump-prosecuted-Report.html

[Think. Again.]

130. Or, in my opinion, a rightwing hack.

[Autumn]

79. Any day of the week that President Biden wakes up and gets dressed those fucking

piece of shit rightwingers nail him to the wall. Fuck them.

[orange jar]

9. ...

[irisblue]

11. We do too

[BlueCheeseAgain]

12. President Biden was angry at Garland because ...

... the DOJ prosecuted Hunter Biden?

I suppose that's a fine sentiment for a father to have, so long as he didn't do anything to influence the DOJ.

But that's not the reason liberals who hate Garland give.

[Bobstandard]

18. True. Very true. nt

[gab13by13]

22. Garland fucked Joe 3 ways to Sunday

In the prosecution of Hunter. Garland had to make Weiss a special prosecutor so that he could prosecute Hunter in California for tax crimes that are almost never prosecuted.

Garland does nothing when TSF takes a 651 million dollar deduction on his Chicago Tower, formed a holding company and double dipped the tax write off costing the treasury 100 million dollars.

[CincyDem]

78. Yep...and Gatlsnd fucked the country the other 4 ways to Sunday.

[BannonsLiver]

28. One would have to be fairly naive to believe that Biden's problems with Garland were limited to Hunter's case.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

103. Based on what evidence?

This is second hand info already.

[BannonsLiver]

111. So naive it is!

[BlueCheeseAgain]

124. You can insult me all you want.

But you still have no evidence.

[BlueTsunami2018]

20. As do we all.

He should have appointed Sally Yates.

[LexVegas]

21. This place was a lovefest for Garland. nt

[gab13by13]

26. A lot of us have the scars.

[LexVegas]

27. Some had courage to speak truth. nt

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

112. And got dinged for it

[republianmushroom]

138. Yup, a lot of scars.

[republianmushroom]

136. Oh, yes, Oh, yes.

[claudette]

137. I wonder

[IcyPeas]

23. Second hand?

'Should never have picked Garland,' Biden told an associate,

[BannonsLiver]

30. Few people here had any problem with Woodward's second hand dirt on Trump.

So we should probably try to be consistent.

[iemanja]

29. I concur

and I got sick to death of the Garland defenders jumping all over me for criticizing him.

[Skittles]

33. I bet Hunter is the least of it

Garland sucks

[milestogo]

34. Well thank God the Republicans prevented him from getting on the Supreme Court.

He might have joined the conservatives.

[gab13by13]

41. Magat Senator, Mike Lee

Wanted TSF to appoint Garland as FBI Director.

20 Magat Senators voted to confirm Garland as AG.

[Autumn]

82. Now I'm curious as to what the FBI has on Mike Lee that he wanted buried at the FBI.

[milestogo]

92. Obama's bipartisanship was really bad for Democrats.

Comey, Garland.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

115. And that's why Jimmy and Joe rank ahead of him in my BPOML list

Best presidents of my lifetime. Joe and the rest of us are still dealing with the aftermath of Obama's decisions.

[Polybius]

133. Not Bill Clinton though?

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

139. He's way back there with LBJ, I hold them both in low regard

I hope President Harris ranks up there with Joe and Jimmy when she's done. Think she will.

[milestogo]

149. Not excusing him but Obama's appointments really bug me.

[Marcuse]

134. Obama knew any SCOTUS nominee would be DOA. Picking the opposite of a young radical partisan exposed Mitch's bad faith.

By nominating him for AG Biden owned the Republicans for a day.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

36. lol

[RJ_MacReady]

42. I agree

Garland is weak and milquetoast.

[usonian]

43. The tire tracks on my back are slowly starting to wear off. Like others, I almost got banned.

“Merrick the Meticulous” …. Ooh.

But he brought many captives to Rome, for robbing millionaires of their bitcoin.

DOJ caught, and is still catching a whole lot of absolute nobodys from Jan 6, while prosecution of individuals designated by very low numbers starting with “1” was delayed forever, and for all intents and purposes, hasn’t even begun in earnest.

He will be disappointed that the delay until after the election will bring forceful action.
Either because it will show the do-nothing that he is, or
It will result in his boy being convicted beyond pardon.

Maybe he will get a motorhome for his efforts.

[Cirsium]

106. Catching nobodies

Yes, catching nobodies and giving them a slap on the wrist. Catching nobodies only happened because of the tireless work of everyday people tracking down and identifying the insurrectionists.

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

44. A great AG pick for Kamala to make would be Jack Smith

Though she’d have to wait until he’s done with his cases against Trump so put someone temporary in or dare I say it, leave Garland in until Smith is available 😂

[ecstatic]

169. I like how Jack tried to save things, but no.

No more Good Old Boys Club members. She needs to appoint a woman with a track record of pursuing equal, common sense justice under the law. Someone with the courage and integrity to hold everyone accountable for crimes that negatively impact society, including powerful white republican men like trump (and "black nazis" like Clarence Thomas/ Mark Robinson). Fifty percent of the judges and prosecutors who had the courage to hold trump accountable are black women.

Also, it's not just individuals that need to be held accountable--state and local governments that consistently violate the constitutional rights of citizens with regard to voting and reproductive rights, and governments that systematically misapply the justice system against poor people and people of color in order to get ticket revenue and/or free slave labor in the prison system. Enough!

Obviously this individual will need to know how to multitask and delegate.

[Think. Again.]

52. but, but, but...

....garland is just being secret about...well...everything that there is absolutely no indication of him actually doing.

[Think. Again.]

65. Yeah! All those press statements he makes about everything else are FAKE!

(just in case)

[LizBeth]

58. Right!!!! This one g9ot a little reaction for me reading it. Right? I mean...

fuck. Ya, Hunter. We all know the bullshit because we have been seeing it with Garland for all the very real issues the nation has endured with Trump and other shit. Really... one of those we were "pressured" to not criticize. Now bet it will be all in with the dissing.

[NewHendoLib]

54. Never liked him. Weak, ineffective.

[LizBeth]

55. Ya well hey.... Not like because of all the other very real issues nation was

experiencing and so many of us KNEW Garland was not the man. But noooooo, for whatever reason people figure he was the "in the middle" (really leaning more right) fuckin cats meow. I cannot tell you the number of threads where people were not allowed to be "disappointed" in the man and told give him time and yada yada yada. So ya, that with Hunter.

[Autumn]

73. I regret that he was appointed too.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

74. Oh. "An associate."

Not Deepthroat, I suppose.

[COL Mustard]

76. Frankly, right after the election

I wish Joe would pardon Hunter.

[Autumn]

89. I want Hunter pardoned too. This was all bullshit, Hunter has more than paid for what he did.

[oldmanlynn]

77. Dems have to stop picking Republicans in Cabinet positions just to try to show unity

Every time Dems do this, we end up getting in trouble. Just like Comey now Merrick Garland.

[doc03]

80. So do I nt

[Clouds Passing]

81. Garland has definitely been a BFF of the Rs. I was Joe never would've appointed him either.

[Tribetime]

84. He lollygags on drumph for trying to overturn Election but

goes after Hunter to act neutral...GOT IT YOU ARE A USELES SPINELESS JOKE

[ananda]

90. Shame. All of us have suffered bc of Garland!

That one hurt.

[stopdiggin]

93. Frankly, no. This does NOT change my overall opinion of either Garland or the DOJ's work in general.

I'm going to change my mind on the basis of Hunter Biden - who has proven, on repeat basis, of being remarkably capable of driving his own car into the ditch?

Nope. I can certainly understand Joe Biden's anger and frustration (particularly in an unguarded moment). But that means I must pivot on my opinion regarding the larger picture at Justice? Frankly, NO! Not even a little bit! One man, one father, one case ...

And the sneering and catcalls from the other side of the fence - - while lighting up the old schoolyard meter - - really do very little to persuade .....

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[Cirsium]

110. President Biden

The Democratic President of the United States is the source, not Hunter Biden.

[stopdiggin]

150. I was under no impression that Hunter was ..

And, actually - the 'source' is an unnamed 'associate' cited in Woodward's book.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

171. Apparently that obvious truth

doesn't seem to mean much.

[jalan48]

96. So does this mean Garland isn't playing three dimensional chess with us?

[druidity33]

97. Um, The Daily Mail? Bob Woodward? Un-named source?

C'mon guys. Don't believe it until it's confirmed. Which will quite likely never happen.

[gordianot]

107. Woodward has a pretty good track record but I too have my doubts.

Take Trump and his alleged calls to Putin. Not that they couldn’t have happened but Trump has been pretty good maintains security of his primary handler and employer.

[stopdiggin]

182. plus the fact that any sort of claim from Trump

means less than yesterday's coffee grounds.
So, yeah - might very well be true - but, you'll pardon me if I wait .. ?

[gab13by13]

123. Then do want us to wait about the other Woodward info?

Wait until Putin confirms that TSF sent him Covid test kits? Wait until Putin confirms that TSF called him 7 times after the election?

[stopdiggin]

181. What 'wait'? Is there a required ACTION regarding these 'revelations'?

Does any of these 'reveals' - including that Biden had 'a mad' about Garland at one point - have significant import or weight in today's political milieu?

It seems the 'grain of salt' proposed here will not result in our foundations crumbling and crashing ..

[gab13by13]

98. Let's look at 2 situations re: Garland

Weiss had been investigating Hunter for years, his Burisma, China investigations were Russian propaganda. Weiss keeps investigating and finds gun crimes and tax fraud crimes. Weiss can prosecute Hunter in Delaware for the gun crimes but he asks Garland to make him special counsel so he can prosecute Hunter in California for tax crimes, Garland obliges, makes him a sc to prosecute Hunter for not paying 1.4 million dollars which he eventually pays. This crime is rarely prosecuted.

TSF claims a 651 million dollar deduction on his Chicago tower during Covid, forms a holding company and double dips the deduction. Experts estimate this made TSF at least 100 million dollars.
Where is the special counsel to investigate TSF?
IMO Garland is afraid of TSF.
1.4 million -paid
100 million - stolen.

[Stinky The Clown]

100. Good. Then I can say it: Fuck Garland

[OAITW r.2.0]

104. Me, too. Garland might have been a good SCOTUS justice, but he sucked at DOJ.

[hedda_foil]

108. I really hope Biden pardons Hunter on his way out.

He paid off his taxes. He never used the gun. Nobody else would be on trial for these things. I know Biden said he wouldn't pardon his son, but hell ... he's never running for office again and this whole prosecution was intended as retribution for Trump losing.

[hedda_foil]

109. I really hope Biden pardons Hunter on his way out.

He paid off his taxes. He never used the gun. Nobody else would be on trial for these things. I know Biden said he wouldn't pardon his son, but hell ... he's never running for office again and this whole prosecution was intended as retribution for Trump losing.

[BamaRefugee]

113. JUDY Garland would have made a better Attorney General

In fact TOTO would have been 10 times tougher.

[Blue Owl]

116. Milquetoast Merrick

What a disappointment……

[Deep State Witch]

118. So say we all

So say we all, Joe.

[elocs]

120. Well, it's way, way too late now. n/t

[stillcool]

121. now I remember why

talk is so cheap.

[H2O Man]

125. Recommended.

Thank you for this important post.

From the little I've seen reported on the book so far, I find myself liking President Biden a lot more. And I already have had a very high opinion of him for decades.

[bullimiami]

126. He rightfully should. But I'm calling this Woodward info bullshit.

That is just not Biden.
Someone is embellishing.
Either Woodward or his source.

[gab13by13]

143. Is the rest of what Woodward reported also bs?

Is someone embellishing TSF giving Putin Covid tests?
Is someone embellishing the 7 phone calls between TSF and Putin?

[bullimiami]

144. I only commented on one item.

[gab13by13]

152. So Woodward is only lying about Garland?

When a good lawyer in court catches someone in a lie the jury won't believe any of his testimony.

Look at how Garland treated Hunter's tax crime and how he did nothing with TSF's tax crime. Garland went out of his way to appoint Weiss as special counsel to be able to prosecute Hunter in California, but then did nothing when TSF claimed his 651 million dollar deduction on his Chicago tower.

[bullimiami]

166. I made one point. That the reaction and quotes attributed to Biden don't seem like Biden at all.

Woodward doesn’t always get everything right.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

172. His unnamed source

appears to be infallible and above reproach.

[sheshe2]

132. The Daily Mail, a RW British Tabloid, is your source?

In Aug. 2021 Independent Review Finds Sensationalism
During an August 2021 Independent Review, an AllSides editor noted the Daily Mail has a sensationalist, tabloid bent, often choosing to highlight individual stories that elicit shock or heightened emotions.

,

Wikipedia's editors banned citations of the Daily Mail, saying it was "generally unreliable and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist." Arguments preceding the ban reportedly cited its "reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication."

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/daily-mail

I trust The Daily Mail about as much as I would trust tfg.

[SocialDemocrat61]

147. The source is Woodward's book

And it was reported elsewhere. https://gazette.com/hunter-prosecution-fallout-pushed-biden-to-say-he-should-never-have-picked-garland-book/article_49b26259-166d-5229-a1bf-184bab8eeeca.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4922580-trump-putin-calls-bidens-beefs-6-newsy-nuggets-from-woodwards-new-book/

[claudette]

135. So do I

[onandup]

140. Did he expect special treatment for Hunter?

I'm no Garland fan, but wasn't the DOJ pushed into making tougher charges by a judge?

[gab13by13]

153. Garland gave special treatment to TSF

for not even investigating his 651 million dollar tax write off for his Chicago tower. Weiss asked garland to make him a special counsel so he could prosecute Hunter in California for a crime that is rarely prosecuted. Hunter owed 1.4 million dollars and he paid it all plus penalty to the IRS while TSF stole 100 million dollars and was never even investigated.

[calimary]

141. So do millions of us, Mr. President.

Sorry you put your faith in Merrick Garland. He wasn’t worthy of it.

[sprinkleeninow]

142. Mrs. Slocombe on 'Are You Being Served? would say:

"Weak as water.
Weak as water."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

174. Except...

water isn't weak.

Ask the Titanic, and Bruce Lee.

[sprinkleeninow]

191. I thought of that after considering what she said. nt

[Beastly Boy]

145. So let me get this straight. The tempest in the teacup that prompted over 100 replies comes down to this:

Daily Mail, a not so stellar journalisitc source, editorializing on and misquoting a CNN article (https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/bob-woodward-book-war-joe-biden-putin-netanyahu-trump) that reported on single instance of regret about Garland to an unidentified associate:

Biden has remained hands off with the Justice Department. But privately, Woodward reveals the president’s anger at the prosecution of his son, especially toward his attorney general. “Should never have picked Garland,” Biden once told an associate, Woodward reports. “This is never going to fucking go away,” Biden complained."

And this is the vindication that the present assembly of Garland detractors is crowing about?

...Well, to be honest, the voluminous output of Garland bashing on DU was never known for its deference to rationality.

At one time or another, Garland was accused of sitting on his hands before being appointed AG by Biden, and sitting on his hands when he took over the January 6th investigation.

He was accused of only going after the nebulous "small fish" (never defined in concrete terms) while he prosecuted over 1000 cases related to J6 alone, not to mention an additional shitload of cases on the DOJ docket, and obstructing when he secured multi-year convictions of the "big fish" (again, not defined in concrete terms) in an unprecedented number of cases.

He was accused (and this is my favorite) of maintaining the appearance of non-prtisanship which was deemed proof positive of him being partisan.

He was accused of appointing special counsels when he was compelled to do so by the terms of his employment and not appointing special counsels when he was forbidden from doing so by law.

And so on....

He was periodically accused of all of the above some of the time, some of the above all of the time, and all of the above all of the time at random, with no regard to the obvious mutually contradictory pairing of these accusations.

There is just one thing all of these accusations have in common. NONE OF THEM HAVE ANYTHING T DO WITH BIDEN'S ANGER WITH HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL!

This thread only confirms the wisdom of my decision long ago to quit participating in this nonsense. Thanks for the reminder, everyone.

[gab13by13]

156. Don't just blame members of DU for calling out Garland for sitting on his hands.

Remember when Dana Nessel, Michigan AG sent a criminal referral to her US Marshall to investigate the fake electors? Remember how Lisa Monaco went public and stated DOJ would look into the referral? remember how Dana Nessel went public and stated that after waiting 1 year for DOJ to investigate she is forced to open up an investigation herself? Remember? When Jack Smith took over he didn't start on 3rd base, he started from the dugout because he had to subpoena the Michigan evidence that Dana Nessel acquired.

I remember members of the J6 committee questioning when Garland was going to do something. Andrew Weissman who still has friends in DOJ questioned what Garland was doing.

I remember the J6 sending criminal referrals to Garland for Mark Meadows and Kenneth Chesebro and Garland shit canning them.

I remember when the FBI seized Scott Perry's phone and we were told it takes time to prosecute Perry. Perry is running for reelection, nothing was done to him, the FBI gave him back his phone because Congressional Magats appear to have immunity.

Only 2 people in TSF's inner circle were prosecuted by Garland, Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro because the J6 committee sent Garland a criminal referral when they blew off subpoenas.

I will give Garland credit when he said that DOJ doesn't leak, it doesn't leak what it isn't doing.

[Beastly Boy]

168. I am not blaming anyone. Everyone has an opinion or five.

I am just stating that the Garland fan club that finds fault in everything he does operates in a realm where his fault is not determined by the rational examination of his alleged shortcomings. On the contrary, his shortcomings are being sought and conjectured as a consequence of the predetermined judgement of him being at fault. In itself, this is a formal fallacy known as Appeal to Probability.

And starting out with a fallacy as the basis for all else to follow renders the entire undertaking invalid and pointless.

Example: the notion that Jack Smith started from the dugout is ridiculous, simply on the basis of the fact that Garland hired him to take over the investigation of Trump, which has been ongoing since before trump announced he was running. An undeniable fact. Opening a new channel of inquiry doesn't make it a new investigation. On the contrary, it affirms the continuity of an existing investigation. But not to you, apparently.

But like I said, I found bringing up matters of rationality and logic, even when accompanied, case by case, references to clear and indisputable facts, does not affect the flow of the established fallacious narrative preferred by Garland's detractors.

I am not trying to change it anymore, having attempted to do so on past occasions too numerous to mention. It is far more productive to just stay out of it and leave the Garland detractors to their own devices. The reason I responded to this thread at all is the ridiculous notion of Biden expressing dissatisfaction with Garland's entire tenure being based on a single instance utterance having to do with his son to an anonymous associate, an utterance that prompted over 100 fallacious responses.

By all means, have your fun with it, free of my blame. Just don't take it for granted that I should accept this game as something rational or reasonable.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

177. Agree.

On the one hand this is so incredibly momentous, AG Garland should have *rump indicted, convicted and imprisoned RIGHT NOW, then he wouldn't be running and all would be rosy rainbows.

On the other hand, seemingly unable to recognize that this is so incredibly momentous it takes time, including delays entirely out of AG Garland's control, to ensure indictment(s), trial, convictions, and sentencing. He's not a one man show.

Apparently anyone other than AG Garland would have had this monster behind bars this very minute, or two years ago, or ...

This imaginary perfect Attorney General who can do no wrong (until wishes aren't instantaneously granted), will no doubt appear January 21, 2025, if not sooner, and set about indicting, convicting, sentencing, and imprisoning *rump no later than January 22, 2025.

Yay!

[sprinkleeninow]

192. Heh...

"I will give Garland credit when he said that DOJ doesn't leak, it doesn't leak what it isn't doing."

[Scrivener7]

186. .

[Beastly Boy]

196. That's one way of illustrating what I am talking about...

[ecstatic]

151. now will the garland defenders stop?

Seriously, the defense of him is over the top! A domestic terrorist has a 50/50 shot of being back in the White House. It's called dereliction of duty. Anyone defending that has lost his/her mind.

[Lemon Lyman]

154. -

[Frasier Balzov]

155. You've got the pardon power Joe.

Has the extent of Trump's criminality checkmated you from using it to protect Hunter?

Don't let Trump bamboozle you boy!

[FlyingPiggy]

165. I am sad he picked him too.

[Ruby the Liberal]

167. We all do, sir.

[Hotler]

170. The Bob's don't agree, they had a chance to meet with him and boy, that's just a straight shooter with

upper management written all over him...... At least we didn't look political.......

[msfiddlestix]

178. Well, I share his sentiment. I feel like the reason for his appointment was to reward him for what he went through

waiting for his confirmation to the Supreme Court.

Very unfortunate, because Garland didn't need to be rewarded.

Obviously Garland didn't want to look like he had a quid pro quo arrangement with Biden, looks like he bent over backwards and then some to make sure Hunter was thoroughly destroyed., so that he (Garland) would appear to be totally neutral and clean of private deal making.
His cowardice of laying low on this matter and especially with TSF's criminality is beyond specontempt, imo. .

[lark]

179. America and the world is sad that Garland (protect tsf at all costs until he can't anymore) was selected.

He's been totally horrible and isn't up to the job.

[lees1975]

180. Garland is the reason why Trump as of yet has not been tried and convicted for Jan 6.

And his apologists need to recognize this as a fact. He dragged his heels and admitted to doing it. And so, we are faced with having to beat the guy into the ground with our votes, instead of justice being done in a country that claims to live by the rule of law.

[gab13by13]

185. His apologists have many allies who like Garland,

20 Magat Senators voted to confirm Garland.
Utah Senator Mike Lee advised TSF to nominate Garland for FBI Director.
I can find no proof that Garland belongs to the Federalist Society but the Federalist Society loves him. Garland monitored 11 Federalist Society events, what kind of Democrat would even think about doing that? The Federalist Society should be designated a terrorist organization.

I listened to Glen Kirshner on Stephanie Miller make the statement that Jack Smith was running a 2 minute offense while Merrick Garland never put a team on the field.

[lees1975]

195. Trump would be convicted in a federal prison now if there had been a different attorney general in that office.

There are half a dozen Democrats who would have been a thousand times better, and more effective, all the way around.

[Pachamama]

183. Hopefully will be one of President Harris's first acts - replacing Merrick Garland

[Scrivener7]

184. Garland fucked with Biden's legacy. Can you imagine what the last 4 years would have looked like

if there had been a pro-active, REAL non-partisan in his place?

For one thing, there'd be a different republiQan candidate right now.

[Patton French]

193. Then why is Garland still there? NT

[republianmushroom]

214. Politics, Biden was the Dems choice for president until a couple of months ago.

[samsingh]

197. We all do. I guess i can criticize garland now that Biden has.

Garland was absolutely useless in that role and he's allowed the big republicans to escape justice, while going after Biden's son.

Joe should pardon Hunter.

[LizBeth]

215. And that is the big one that is so irritating now. We can actually "agree" with Biden without pushback.

[BlueKota]

207. Not getting in an argument about the past with Garland,, as

there is nothing we can do about it now. That be saying said, if VP Kamala Harris becomes POTUS, I hope one of her first acts will be to kick Garland's butt to the curb. There needs to be less consideration of "how it will look," and more about holding alleged criminals no matter, who they are, accountable.

The Justice department is tasked with enforcing the law not playing middle of the road diplomatic appeasement games with the two major political parties.

[helpisontheway]

208. Should have fired him and not because of the Hunter case. Nt

[True Blue American]

209. I do not believe that. Biden is much

Too aware of the law for that..

They just asked Biden what he and Netanyahu talked about. He turned back and said,” We did not talk about the storm!”

[ShazzieB]

212. Well, i guess all the Garland haters have the right to say "I told you so" now!

Far be it from me to say otherwise at this point.

If Biden is this unhappy with Garland (and I see no reason not to believe Woodward; he's far from perfect, but he doesn't have a reputation for making up stuff like this), that's all I need to know.

I do think Garland did one worthwhile thing, and that was appointing Jack Smith as special prosecutor to go after Trump. He waited WAY TOO DAMNED LONG to do it, but he did do it. I'll give him some credit for that, with points taken off for tardiness.

I can definitely see now that any anger toward Garland for the persecution prosecution of Hunter Biden was justified.

[pecosbob]

213. Woodward is starting to remind me a bit of Stephen Ambrose

Not above stretching the truth and even lying now and again.