Tomorrow is going to be an historic moment for this country.

[OAITW r.2.0]

The destruction that is going to happen in FL will be horrific in scale of lives and infrastructure lost. COL is going to go up for the rest of us. This is the future that Al Gore warned us about. And Republicans ran against climate change. They have lost and so will we.

[liberal N proud]

1. I have a friend who owns/lives on the beach at St. Pete

I asked him 3 times to consider evacuating to our house. He says they have a safe place. He has ridden out other storms.

They had 2 ft of water in their house from Halene. I just can’t imagine what the next 24/48 hours is going to do.

We love the Tampa area and the beaches, our daughter and her husband lived there for several years.

We have other acquaintances in the area and have offered our home as a safe place.

Never know when it is going to happen to us.

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. Spent quality time on Lido Key in Florida.

In the 90s, I was down there a lot. A 15 foot tide surge is going to devastate Tamp, St. Pete's and Sarasota.

[Gore1FL]

69. We vacationed on the south end of Lido nearly every summer when I was a kid.

Beautiful place.

[global1]

3. I Have Friends That Just Moved To An Adult Community In Spring Hill....

I believe it's inland a bit - but I'm not exactly sure.

Are they in harms way?

How close is it to Tampa?

[snowybirdie]

5. They should be ok. Its inland

But all bets are off I'd a river or creek is,near their community.

[BeneteauBum]

20. They should be OK

They are probably over 80 miles from Anna Maria island where landfall is currently forecast. They may get winds 60-70 mph. Further, if they are more than ten feet above sea level, the storm surge along that area is predicted at 6-10’.

My three daughters in the Tampa area evacuated with their families. My Keys floating home is basically immune to storm surge but high winds and under prepared vessels are the big danger.

I hope all my fellow Floridians stay safe…..and don’t let DeSantis hear you say Climate Change. You may get a visit from his private Gestapo.

Peace ☮️

[abbeyco]

72. Direct hit to Anna Maria Island?

Sorry, I can’t comprehend this right now. My friend has a shop there & was still clearing from Helene. I’m still reeling from the WNC devastation from Helene. If AMI is directly hit, everything will be wiped out

[BeneteauBum]

81. I hope your AMI friend evacuated

Milton is forecast to make landfall in about six hours. Winds are currently 130mph sustained. It appears the the eye will pass within 25 miles of AMI with winds of 111-130mph. All my Tampa area friends and family have evacuated. It won’t be pretty. I wish your friend the best of luck!
Peace ☮️

[abbeyco]

98. She did!

She was out yesterday with family & 3 pets. All are safe for the time being & sending karma and high paws for everyone in the path.

[AZ8theist]

21. My brother and SIL live in Spring Hill

Their house is exactly 8.6 miles from the gulf.
Their county is under mandatory evacuation orders, but they are staying put.
They retired there years ago and every hurricane since has skirted their location.
That's why they, along with multiple neighbors in their development are staying. They think it's no big deal, but they've never had one hit head-on.

I hope they are safe. Could not convince them to leave.

[bdamomma]

32. I don't know

it's an extremely a dangerous decision. These hurricanes are stronger and last longer. I wouldn't take that chance. But that's me.

I hope they find themselves safe.

[AZ8theist]

37. Thanks. .........yeah......me too.......

[Native]

41. only coastal areas in our county are under evac orders.

8.6 miles puts them on the east side on highway 19, which shouldn't be in the evac zone. there may be pockets of low lying wetland areas tho.

[Native]

42. you can check to see if they are in an evac zone at this link

https://floridadisaster.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/lookup/index.html?appid=aa18a2d8737c4d66bb6434a09e17203a

just put in their address.

[AZ8theist]

45. It was my understanding their entire county was under mandatory evac..

[Native]

46. nope. i live in Hernando Cty.

[Katinfl]

65. Wow! I am in Hernando county also.

Small world. I feel a lot better since we are no longer in the “cone”.

[Native]

78. me too!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

79. I live in Naples. Just a lot of tornados going around.

The water level could flood out place a bit. We live near a canal. There is a little lake that is several inches away.

[Katinfl]

64. What county?

Pasco, Hernando, Citrus?

[Katinfl]

63. They should think twice about staying.

I also live in the area. I am about 16 miles from the Gulf. If they are in a manufactured home and have been told to evacuate, they really should. My home was built in 2004 and we just put a new roof on. We feel quite secure so we have stayed put for the last 20 years. If they are in a flood zone, told to evacuate……they are stupid not to.

[camartinwv]

71. They do not evacuate the whole counties. They do it by zone based on your danger for surge.

8.6 miles from the gulf should be far enough to avoid the surge.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

87. Far too many are like them.

If they haven't actually experienced a deadly storm like this, they have no clue.

I recall reading decades ago, possibly as early as the late 1970s, that sea rise alone, even without storms like these, will devastate most of the Florida Coast. And that because so many newcomers move there every year, there are always too many newbies who just don't get it.

Edit: even with is in italics fro emphasis.

[Native]

36. my guess is they are in Timber Pines. they'll be fine.

im in that area too.

[Katinfl]

66. I'm off Barclay in Silverthorn

[Native]

77. I'm in Silverthorn too!

[Katinfl]

80. OMG! I can't believe it.

[Native]

83. and out of 800 homes here, how many dems do you know?

[Katinfl]

92. Three

We have lost contact with a few people over politics. No arguments, we just know where they are parked so we drifted apart mutually.

[Native]

101. We know about a dozen. Pretty sad stats, huh?

[Katinfl]

60. I live in the Spring Hill/Brooksville area.

The area is not in the “cone”. We are about 45 miles north of Tampa, about 16 miles from the coast, and we are 69” above sea level, so we sit pretty high. We will get strong winds and rain but we should be OK. We have lived here 20 years and we have been safe each time. Hope our luck holds out. Your friends should be OK but these hurricanes are never fun. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[RidinWithHarris]

82. We have a couple of friends who moved to Spring Hill about a year ago

They're definitely elevated enough to not worry about the storm surge, but it is going to get damned wet and windy there. They have not been told to evacuate.

[MontanaMama]

84. The tornadoes on the ground in central FL

are like nothing I’ve ever seen. At one point mid-day today there were 14 tornadoes on the ground.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

91. Dear lord! That must be some kind of record.

I used to live in "Tornado Alley" and I don't think I ever heard of that many on the ground at once.

Shudder.

[MontanaMama]

100. I think Alabama beat today

at some point but I have no link to that. It was stunning to listen to the live coverage. I fear for Florida.

[YessirAtsaFact]

4. If the storm tracks south of him, as predicted

He may be okay.

I suspect he's going to get more than 2 feet of water in his house, but it should be survivable.

OTOH, if this thing jogs a bit north and St. Pete gets a direct his, God help him.

[littlemissmartypants]

15. If his area is under evacuation orders, they should evacuate.

The USCG spokesperson said that if a situation is such that they, the rescuers, are at risk of death or serious injury they will wait for conditions to improve.

In other words, you can call but they may make you wait if they can even get there at all.

The other consideration is death by drowning is one of the most horrific ways to die. It's like having pneumonia with lungs full of fluid. But worse.

You can’t breathe and reflexes force you to inhale.

When you are under water the more water you inhale the more your reflexes will force you to inhale. You will know that you can't do anything because your reflexes take over. Then you panic.

If someone doesn't save you quickly, you suffocate, on water.

It may be a long time before your brain shuts down due to lack of oxygen. This will then force your other internal organs to fail, one by one.
You may know that you are dying.
Suffocating and suffering.


PLEASE FOLLOW LOCAL EVACUATION ORDERS.

PERIOD.

IF YOU DON'T
YOU DISRESPECT YOUR PUBLIC SERVANTS

THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP YOU SAFE
AND ALIVE

BUT MOST OF ALL YOU DISRESPECT YOURSELF

AND EVERYONE DEPENDING ON YOU

LIKE YOUR SPOUSE, YOUR PARTNER
OR YOUR ELDER PARENTS
AND YOUR CHILDREN.

PLEASE, FOLLOW LOCAL EVACUATION ORDERS.

PLEASE.

❤️

(I'm directing this message to everyone. Not meaning to single anyone out.)

[bullimiami]

7. We have a friend on an island on Tampa Bay.

Same water from Helene.
They will evacuate this one.

We all grew up in Miami. We know.

[crud]

14. Is it Davis island?

I lived there in 1978. Rented roach infested studio apt. for about 6 months.

[Backseat Driver]

49. I too have a FB friend who lives in St Petersburg. She claims to be in a non-evac zone...I'm thinkin' NOT THIS TIME!

I sure hope she evacuated; she wanted Milton to just go away, but no posts since my comment...

[rzemanfl]

74. If you have an address you can look up the zone.

disaster.pinellas.gov A,B,&C are under evacuation orders.

[demotux]

6. Fortunately...

...right now, adults are in the White House. Just imagine Russian Agent Orange being at the helm... 😱

[woodsprite]

8. Yes, but the making decisions in FL is a petty, vindictive, immature snit. nt

[Jk23]

10. Even more fortunately the storm seems to be trending just south of Tampa avoiding the Storm Surge in the city.

We might be seeing another Ian, Irma, Charlie scenario where the storm veers towards Ft Myers at the last minute.

[tavernier]

22. My grandson goes to FGCU in Fort Meyers.

He went through the eye of Ian in a friends house. This year he has a girlfriend who lives in Cape Coral. We have invited her and her entire family to come to Keys and stay with us. They declined because they want to stay home. Grandson in tears wanted to stay with her but his dad said, no way. Come home or we will come and get you. He is on his way home now. I know he will be miserable the whole time but I really don’t care. I am just glad he won’t be there.
PS- I love her too and wish her family had encouraged her to leave. Let’s all take a deep breath and blow this MF back out to sea.

💙 L

[Jk23]

30. The storms have a nasty habit of veering that way in the last minute.

I hope everyone down there stays safe.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

94. Good for making him come home.

I hope his g-f and her family are okay.

[bdamomma]

35. Oh

that thought gets me sick, he would call it a hoax or the migrants did it. No empathy whatsoever

Yes, we have adults at the helm.

[Coventina]

50. No worries! He would just Sharpie it away......

Nothing to worry about!!

[H2O Man]

9. Recommended.

I agree 100%. And I anticipate it getting worse every year.

[jimfields33]

31. It hasn't been bad since 2004 when there were six in Florida.

We’re getting one or two a year which is below average. The numbers have improved on how many hurricanes.

[H2O Man]

48. That's good.

But climate change is creating problems beyond Florida.

[dpibel]

102. Short term numbers!!

They are really probative!

Thank you so much for the steely minded analysis and reassurance.

It's good to have someone to count on!!!1!

[Strelnikov_]

11. 0z (7PM) Intensity Guidance

Still a Cat 4 to 5 at 24 hr out, this would be 6 hr prior to landfall.

It is going to be pushing a lot of water, regardless of peak wind at landfall.

Wish I knew a source for IKE (integrated kinetic energy) estimates, which provides a better picture of the power of a cyclone. May be this can only be calculated after the fact.

Agree, this does not look good.

[BumRushDaShow]

62. Possibly here

https://rammb-data.cira.colostate.edu/tc_realtime/storm.asp?storm_identifier=al142024

Multi platform Tropical Cyclone Kinetic Energy and Intensity

From the Multi platform satellite wind analysis discussed above a flight level (~ 700 hPa) Kinetic Energy is calculated within 200km of the cyclone center. The calculated KE is then categorized (0-5) so that their probability distribution is identical to the Saffir- Simpson Hurricane Intensity Scale (0-5). The KE is then plotted versus the maximum surface wind from these same wind analysis and provided every six hours. Tropical cyclones tend to grow as they weaken, but this is not always the case and large storms typically have larger values of KE and thus are more destructive when they affect land. This product allows the real-time monitoring of the potential destructive potential of a given storm and allows inter comparison with past events either produced on this web page or from actual flight level wind data. The methods for calculating and categorizing the KE as well as analyses of several past events are described in Maclay et al. (2008).

The above mentions that it is baked into the Wind Analysis plot.

I forgot where I had seen it but may have skimmed through discussions of IKE when monitoring Hurricane Dorian (which was a nasty one like this).

[multigraincracker]

12. Does the human gene pool have enough variation

to adapt to a changing environment?
Bout to find out.

[AZ8theist]

23. HA!! Our species is so pathetically UN EVOLVED....

Is there any doubt homo sapiens will go extinct? It's just a matter of when......

[Frasier Balzov]

47. Those with gills will have the best chance.

[JoseBalow]

54. Well, it's too bad the machine that we built would never save us, that's what they say

And they also said it's impossible
For a man to live and breathe underwater

(13:42)


I can hear Atlantis full of cheer

[SWBTATTReg]

76. I like to think so, being that we evolved in Africa, and expanded to encompass the whole globe, w/ all of its

different climates, Eskimos in Alaska and other points north, Islanders across the Pacific and Hawaii adapting to life on small islands w/ their limited resources, and herders in Siberia and Steppes w/ their horses and animals, as well as the Indians in North America and the Incas, Mayans in Central and South America

There was a point in history where the human race did shrink down to roughly 80,000 individuals, when they think a volcano blew it's top, and changed the climate across the globe.

[onandup]

13. We gotta be headed to some kind of record

in damage this year.

[jimfields33]

33. Katrina cost 125 million. This will be 250 million which could be equivalent to Katrina's dollars.

[calimary]

16. To all DUers in the path of the storm: IF YOU CAN - PLEASE keep us posted.

Last edited Tue Oct 8, 2024, 11:09 PM - Edit history (2)

IF YOU CAN. Cuz those of us not in the path of a hurricane will be worried and WILL want to know if you’re okay and how you’re doing.

I realize you’ll have to hunker down, and you’ll be super-focused on some very basic stuff. But IF you can, please send a brief reply and let us know how you are.

IF YOU CAN. But ONLY IF you can, cuz you’re not in danger.

But if you ARE or MIGHT BE in danger, then take care of yourself first! We’ll understand. We can wait.

Take no risks. Just be safe.

[Upthevibe]

17. OAITW r.2.0..........

I agree.

This is EXACTLY what Al Gore has spoken about. Here we are. And the Republican are stilldenying climate change...

[Wednesdays]

27. Republicans are starting to change tactics

Rather than denying climate change, they're saying Democrats are causing the hurricanes. With a weather machine. Or something.

[Thomas Hurt]

40. That is old school christofascist conspiracy theory, been saying that for decades.

[Evolve Dammit]

70. Gaslighting and just plain weird

[catchnrelease]

85. Yes! I just saw a similar comment on FB

The person was saying that all this time the Rs have been denying that climate change is caused by humans. Now they're saying that humans can control the weather. Ok which is it you idiots?

[Katinfl]

67. In FL you can't even say the "climate change"

[TBF]

18. In evac zones it's critical to listen to local authorities -

here in Houston they are very specific about who they want to evacuate. During Ike they completely closed the highway to Galveston Island after the mandatory evacuation (which local authorities handled w/the help of the national guard). Once they close it down you are on your own until the storm has made its way through and they decide to reopen. There won't be anyone to call if you change your mind. The ideal time to leave is a few days before, with a full tank of gas and cash from ATM. If you're close to the water & supposed to be evacuating now I'd get out of there if at all possible.

[Botany]

19. Al Gore told us that this would happen and it wouldn't be a one and done thing

OSU Professor Lonnie Thompson has millions of data points some going back >400,000 years
showing the links between atmospheric CO2 and the climate and Al Gore got some of the re-
search from Dr. Thompson. We were told this was going to happen.

[Amaryllis]

24. WHat is COL? "COL is going to go up for the rest of us."

[OAITW r.2.0]

25. cost of living.

[captain queeg]

28. I'm guessing cost of living.

[jimfields33]

26. Worst storm in 100 years for Tampa bay!

[LymphocyteLover]

29. Republicans deserve our eternal hatred for how bad they fucked us with this catastrophe that threatens the planet

and seriously, we couldn't do ANYTHING with Republicans blocking climate solutions

[4lbs]

34. I look at what the local military is doing.

The military in FL has been spending millions to help their bases weather hurricanes, floods, and tornadoes for at least the last 5 years and maybe the past decade.

They have to deal in the "real world" effects of such events, not play politics with peoples' lives.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/destruction-florida-air-force-base-rebuilds-face-effects-climate-chang-rcna43091

After destruction, Florida Air Force base rebuilds to face effects of climate change
Sept. 24, 2022, 5:14 AM PDT
By Lucas Thompson

Tyndall Air Force Base was hammered by a Category 5 hurricane. Now, rebuilding efforts are focusing on how to ensure it's ready for future storms.


https://www.armytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2021/11/03/climate-change-poses-great-risk-for-floridas-military-bases/

Climate change poses great risk for Florida’s military bases
By Kevin Green
Nov 3, 2021


https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3510772/hicks-defines-need-to-focus-dod-on-climate-change-threats/

Hicks Defines Need to Focus DOD on Climate Change Threats
Aug. 30, 2023 | By Jim Garamone, DOD News

As Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks spoke to West Point cadets today about climate change and the military, the Category 3 Hurricane Idalia slammed ashore in Florida.


https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/11/02/floridas-military-bases-are-some-of-the-most-vulnerable-to-climate-change-column/

Florida’s military bases are some of the most vulnerable to climate change
Published Nov. 2, 2021

The United States has ignored climate change and its impacts on outdated, inadequate infrastructure for far too long.


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049222045/the-pentagon-says-climate-change-is-having-a-negative-impact-on-national-securit

Climate change is a risk to national security, the Pentagon says

Updated October 26, 20216:09 PM ET

Heard on Morning Edition
By Noel King


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/u-s-military-terrified-climate-change-it-s-done-more-ncna1240484

The U.S. military is terrified of climate change. It's done more damage than Iranian missiles.

Sept. 20, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT
By Sébastien Roblin

Among the Pentagon's fears is that weather-related catastrophes could mean it has to commit most of its resources to disaster relief missions.

[OAITW r.2.0]

39. The 21st Century battle for our survival won't be from a foreign entity. It will be the climate.

[4lbs]

43. Yup, we may end up like H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine"

Living underground like Morlocks because the surface becomes untenable.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

95. No. The surface in that novel was not untenable.

It was inhabited by the Eloi, descendants of the privileged classes.

The surface is untenable when the Time Traveller goes some 800,000 years into the future he finds those conditions.

[4lbs]

105. For over 10,000 years it was untenable because of nuclear blasts, radiation fallout, and volcanic eruptions.

I'm referencing the 1960 movie, starring Rod Taylor and Yvette Mimieux.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine_(1960_film)

A disillusioned George then travels to August, 1966. People are rushing to fallout shelters as air raid sirens are blaring. An elderly James Filby urges George to take cover. George barely makes it back to his time machine as an "atomic satellite" detonates, destroying London and causing a local volcanic eruption that buries the ruins. The approaching lava rises, cools, and hardens, trapping George as he travels far into the future, waiting for the rock to erode. Eventually the lava wears away, revealing a lush, unspoiled landscape.



The only thing that gets me is that it and many other movies of the time, didn't follow logic. So... he goes 800,000 years into the future, but everyone there speaks PERFECT ENGLISH. Mmm-kay.

Imagine how much English has changed from Old English to current English, in less than 1500 years (look at the poem Beowulf as an example), yet going 800,000 years, nothing has changed with the language.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf

Beowulf (/ˈbeɪəwʊlf/; Old English: Bēowulf [ˈbeːowuɫf]) is an Old English epic poem in the tradition of Germanic heroic legend consisting of 3,182 alliterative lines. It is one of the most important and most often translated works of Old English literature. The date of composition is a matter of contention among scholars; the only certain dating is for the manuscript, which was produced between 975 and 1025 AD. Scholars call the anonymous author the "Beowulf poet".

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

106. I'm sorry, I assumed you were talking about the novel.

You're quite right about the language thing. I've long thought that living forever, or even a very very long time would be problematical precisely because of language change. We already know that adult brains learn new languages far less readily than young ones. So now you're two thousand years old, and you're current place has been overrun and now you need to try to learn yet another new one.

[JoseBalow]

53. Hurricane Andrew destroyed Homestead Air Force Base in 1992

(2:23)

[BluenFLA]

38. Thanks for nothing you Repubs and fools

You had to run off with your mantra that climate change was a hoax or wanted your imaginary riches from the tax cuts that only benefited the wealthy and make fun of us for sounding the alarm.

Now we all have to pay for their greed and willfull ignorance. But the sad part is that they still refuse to acknowledge how we screwed the planet and are reaping what we have sown.

[claudette]

44. Why anyone

would want to live there is beyond my understanding. Why willfully put yourself in danger?

[Funtatlaguy]

51. Tampa Bay is beautiful or

At least it was…Helene was horrible but survivable. Let’s hope Milton is also

[claudette]

52. Yes

My heart goes out to those in peril there.

[jimfields33]

55. It's been 100 years!!!!!

Why would people living in California when they know an earthquake is going to destroy the state eventually. Mother Nature is in charge no matter where you live.

[claudette]

56. True

I was just expressing my wonder as to why put yourself in KNOWN danger. It’s just something I wouldn’t do. Doesn’t make me any better than those that do. Just shows I’m not brave.

[jimfields33]

57. I

I Personally wouldn’t either. But some were born in Tampa and it’s all they know. They never experienced a direct hit by anyone alive today (or darn close to it.). It’s a risk that worked for 100 years until it didn’t.

[claudette]

58. Yep

As you said. You never know what Mother Nature has in store no matter where you live. We have severe snow storms in this region but nothing compared to the damage of wind and water of hurricanes or tornadoes

[dpibel]

103. Do you have any science to back that up?

California is a pretty big state. You should look it up!

What is your source for the proposition that "an earthquake is going to destroy the state eventually"?

"Better get ready to tie up your boats in Idaho" doesn't count.

I think you went a bit overboard with this one. Not up to your usual standards.

[lark]

59. The hurricane effects on Sarasota have me worried.

The small remainder of my dad's family lives there, all the uncles and aunts have passed and most of my cousins (not a healthy family, diabetes and lung issues are rampant) are gone too. Sarasota has lots of old small homes and old trees and I know my cousin that remains and my 2nd cousin and her family live in the older less expensive part of town. Praying for all the folks in the storms' path.

Surprisingly, the storm report I saw last night had Jax beng hit with hurricane force winds - I sure hope that is wrong. It would be the first time in 60 years and only the 2nd time in recorded history that Jax got hit with hurricane force winds, the last was Dora in '64 and that was awful for this town. A lot of people have evacuated here. I wish they had gone into western GA because I worry about it being safe here. Of course, it's lots safer than the Tampa/StPete/Ft Meyers area where it is likely to be totally catastropic.

[Clouds Passing]

61. Al Gore won. Another corrupt Supreme Court stole that from us!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

68. Milton is a very scary storm

[malaise]

73. At least there are competent folks around

https://www.c-span.org/video/?539090-1/president-biden-vice-president-harris-receive-briefing-hurricane-milton-response&vod

[Ron Green]

75. All human activity since the beginning of agriculture

has changed this planet and its systems. We’re now experiencing the effects, especially due to the past couple of hundred years.

And yet the politicians, even our favorite ones, still talk about jobs and economic growth.

[Red Raider 85]

86. it's "a" historic. not "an." -ed.

[OAITW r.2.0]

88. So, give me a C on on my my illegal article use.

I know, "an" used when the next word starts with a vowel. Is that your only problem with my post?

[XanaDUer2]

89. I thought it was an historic

Now I know

[OAITW r.2.0]

90. Actually, I did too...at least it sounded right to me.

In fact, I'm not changing it because it sounds OK to me.

[XanaDUer2]

93. Some things seem intuitive

In sticking with an

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

96. The rule is "an" before a word that starts with a vowel.

An eskimo. An old thing.

"a" before a word that starts with a consonant: a brick.

Also in front of words where the h is pronounced. Hence, a historic. Unless you pronounce it istoric.
A helping hand.
A hopeful sign.
A heart attack.

[paleotn]

99. Rules are for the others. Not for us.

[dpibel]

104. It's the damned Brits

In British English, it's "an historic," because the Brits tend not to voice the initial "h."

Oddly, the result is that people who have, for instance, read a bunch of Brits in their college English courses, are more likely to make this error.

English is a puzzle, even for native speakers.

[Swede]

97. It are?

nt