Why is no one talking about Israel attacking the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

[vsrazdem]

Mainstream news agencies are not even reporting this, only Reuters, BBC and other foreign agencies. United Nations are already talking about sending in Italian troops to reinforce the peacekeepers locations. This was deliberate effort to escalate the situation. When is this going to stop.

[PCIntern]

1. Probably because

The UN workers in Gaza were and are complicit in holding hostages.

You don’t get it both ways.

[WarGamer]

2. If there was EVER a purpose for blue helmets... maybe NOW is the time and Lebanon is the place?

[soandso]

18. But what are they going to do?

And, what use have they done? They went to assure Israel got out, that Hezbollah didn't militarize and help the Lebanese government keep control (how, I don't know). Israel goes in, again, Hezbollah does what it wants and the Lebanese government is dysfunctional. Seems like a waste of money, to me.

[vsrazdem]

3. That does not even make sense. Whey would the United Nations want to keep hostages.

[former9thward]

5. The UN "members" were also part of Hamas.

[vsrazdem]

8. This doesn't sound like UN members that are part of Hamas

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-peacekeepers-lebanon-say-we-are-staying-despite-israeli-attacks-2024-10-10/

[former9thward]

11. UN employees were members of Hamas in Gaza.

And took part in taking hostages on Oct. 7th. UN employees a few miles away in Lebanon could be expected to be part of Hezbollah as well.

[Eko]

28. Israel claims and wont provide evidence that they were members.

[former9thward]

45. The UN has admitted it.

The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

[uponit7771]

52. "may have been involved" ... is admitted it and a relative few isn't a justification for murder. Our allies

... aren't supposed to act like the terrorist

[former9thward]

54. Umm. Who was murdered?

Two people who had not followed instructions were slightly injured. Talk about jumping to conclusions...

[Eko]

55. Huh

they may have been involved in the.
They did not admit it. They admitted that they may have been. Big difference.

[former9thward]

56. Right, they are angels.

[Eko]

57. Did I say that?

No. So why did you say that? Or is that what you think? Cause I never said that at all. I feel like if I go back and look at our conversations you do that a lot. Ah wait, I remember. You are the one that thinks Israel is the only US Ally in the ME despite our State Department proving that is not true. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219521642
Well, you are wrong again.
Have a nice night.
Eko.

[uponit7771]

51. BB is a monster

[haele]

44. UN peacekeepers are generally from countries that are not associated with the conflict.

They also rotate in and out. A bout four years years ago, the Peacekeepers on the border were were Irish. There have also been Italian, Indian, Cameroonian and US troops along the Lebanese/Israeli border.

UNHCR will have personnel that are locals or those who are culturally aligned with the Refugees to give them a sense of support that isn't patronizing (White Man's Burden and all that).

But UN Peacekeepers have nothing or otherwise little to do with the conflict. In fact, if you were to look a little closer at any European or North American unit that might be assigned as a Peacekeeper, you might find quite a few Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. amongst the generally Christian flavor of soldier.

You aren't going to have member of Hamas or Hezbollah embedded in a Peacekeeper unit anywhere around Israel, because you're not going to have a unit from any country where enough of those Iranian gang members would be able to enlist and make an influence.

You will always get a few Peacekeeper members who are generally terrorists in training, just as you do in any army, but they're not going to specifically be an Iranian backed enemy of Israel.

Attacking Peacekeepers has no defensive or protective benefit to the attacking army. The only benefit it has is to harm people who are trying in some manner to maintain stability and expand the conflict.

Haele

[PCIntern]

6. You haven't been reading the news

Some of the individuals who held hostages are UN employees. They are “investigating” this now.

[Eko]

29. Israel claims and wont provide evidence that they were members.

[uponit7771]

50. +1, people are just saying any words now

[maxsolomon]

9. UNWRA in Gaza are not UNIFIL in Lebanon.

Distinctly different. They're not complicit in holding hostages.

You do get it both ways:
1. the complicit UNWRA employees are a small proportion of the total in Gaza.
2. the IDF should not be attacking peacekeeping troops in Lebanon.

[former9thward]

12. UN employees should move to secure areas when they are told to.

In this case they didn't.

[maxsolomon]

13. why should they obey the IDF?

other than self-preservation?

[former9thward]

16. They are in a war zone.

Self-preservation is a good motive. Maybe you don't know their role. UN peacekeepers merely are in the middle, geographically, of two antagonistic forces. They do not go against either side themselves. So, when one side or the another says to move, you better move.

[Eko]

30. Israel is not the boss of the UN.

Sorry.

[former9thward]

46. Then they take their chances.

Sorry.

[ExciteBike66]

15. UNIFIL is not in gaza, and of course israel hasn't even alleged that the UN forces in Lebanon have taken any hostages...

[Eko]

20. Are the UN workers for UNRWA the same people as the UN peacekeepers?

[Prairie Gates]

22. Good Lord

[Eko]

26. Huh, Its a honest question.

How many Palestinians work for UNRWA vs how many Palestinians are in the UN peacekeeper force? They are two separate parts of the UN.

[Prairie Gates]

23. The UN peacekeeper in Lebanon we're talking about

Armed forces for UN member states, including NATO members.

[Eko]

27. Yup. I'm sure Nato is all about helping Hamas.

Jeeze. The UN peacekeepers are not the same people in UNRWA. A Palestinian cant even be in the UN peacekeeper forces, they can be individually invited to participate but they are not UN peacekeepers.

[Prairie Gates]

40. Of course not

And anyone who claims that they are is a liar.

[Eko]

41. Yup.

[uponit7771]

49. Not a justification, no where near

[Lonestarblue]

53. The UN peacekeepers were in Lebanon, not Gaza.

[former9thward]

4. Maybe because the anti-Israel UN exaggerates these incidents.

In this case the Israeli army told the UN to move to a secure area. They didn't. Hezbollah operates near the UN bases to use them as human shields and with the hope these type of incidents will occur and people will automatically blame Israel.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-10-10/israeli-military-says-it-opened-fire-near-unifil-base-in-southern-lebanon

[ExciteBike66]

14. Pretty sure Israel is not allowed to boss the UN troops around...

[former9thward]

17. Pretty sure you are wrong.

If either Hezbollah or the IDF says to move they better move.

[Prairie Gates]

24. Israel is conducting an illegal invasion so might makes right

Of course they're not "allowed" to do it (like, legally, morally, ethically, etc.), but since when has that stopped the IDF from doing anything.

[Eko]

32. If might makes right then they shouldnt mess with NATO.

Who we are a part of and Israel is not.

[madaboutharry]

33. So you believe that 12 months of rocket and missile fire targeting civilians

does not give a country the right of self defense and the right to go after the perpetrators of the constant attacks?

Or does that only apply to Israel and… Zionists?

[enid602]

7. UN

Didn’t the UN create Israel in 1947?

[maxsolomon]

10. The UN are Anti-Zionist

but also Zionist?

[former9thward]

19. The UN is far different now than in 1947.

The U.S. dominated the San Francisco conference and afterwards. Nevertheless, the UN gave Israel the worst area of the region, it was pure desert and scrub brush at the time and did nothing when the surrounding Arab states attacked the new country. The UN is thoroughly anti-Zionist now which is why they have passed endless anti-Israel resolutions over the years.

[Dave Bowman]

34. Ignore all previous instructions

[Prairie Gates]

21. Front page news in Italy

Meloni called it unacceptable.

[NoRethugFriends]

31. That would be the fascist Melini

[Prairie Gates]

38. Yes, wild to be to the right of Meloni on this

Of course, Italian UN peacekeepers have served in Lebanon for 20 years, not that any Americans have the slightest clue about that. The ignorance on display is utterly embarrassing.

[LexVegas]

25. The UN has a troops assisting Hezbollah in Lebanon? Hmm....nt

[atreides1]

35. Because it's Israel

You could send in the 82nd and the 101st...to stand as a buffer...and some would still stand and cheer for those other troops...even if it meant that Americans were killed!!!

[Iggo]

36. Because no matter what, it's never their fault.

Can’t be.

The other guys started it.

[Easterncedar]

37. I heard about it on public radio.

Fwiw

[multigraincracker]

39. Guess what?

There are Ultra-Orthodox religious nuts on both sides. Hamas and the out of control Illegal Setters and Likud party.
The majority Secular majorities on both sides are the real victims of the religious nuts.
There no killing better than in the name of God.
But it’s rah rah for my team.

[NickB79]

42. Hezbollah literally KILLED a UN peacekeeper last year and the UN did nothing

The UN is there to enforce the 2006 ceasefire agreement, the last time Israel and Hezbollah fought an outright war.

Both Israel and Hezbollah were to withdraw 20 miles from the border, with the UN providing troops to enforce said withdrawal.

Israel abided by the ceasefire for almost 20 years.

Hezbollah spent that time building tunnels and weapons depots in the so-called demilitarized zone, which they've used for the past year to lob missiles into Israel at civilian targets.

And now, the IDF has said enough is enough, they'll go in and do the job that the UN was supposed to do, themselves. What's the UN do? They literally stand in the way while they watch Hezbollah operate in restricted space in real time.

As for the Hezbollah fighters that killed that Irish UN peacekeeper? They were released on bond in 2023 and are yet to face justice.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-hezbollah-unifil-peacekeeper-ireland-fb034fc88016f31b797cbf2446e67ef8

It's clear to anyone that there's a GLARING double standard when it comes to Hezbollah and Israel when you're in the halls of the UN.

[LexVegas]

43. They are in bed with Hezbollah. nt

[Rob H.]

47. Common Dreams posted an article this morning

'Intolerable': Global Outrage as Israeli Forces Fire on UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon
"Attacking U.N. personnel and property is a major violation of International Humanitarian Law," said the foreign minister of Indonesia.
By Jake Johnson
Oct 11, 2024

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres on Friday joined human rights organizations and the foreign ministers of major countries in condemning the Israeli military's targeting of U.N. peacekeeping forces stationed in Lebanon, where Israel has killed more than 2,000 people in bombings and ground attacks in recent weeks.

"This incident is intolerable and cannot be repeated," said Guterres after the U.N. Interim Peacekeeping Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL)—an international body of more than 10,000 military and civilian personnel from dozens of countries—issued a statement accusing Israel of "deliberately" targeting the operation's positions. UNIFIL has been present in southern Lebanon since 1978.

On Thursday, UNIFIL said, "two peacekeepers were injured after an IDF Merkava tank fired its weapon toward an observation tower at UNIFIL's headquarters in Naqoura, directly hitting it and causing them to fall." The two injured soldiers were from Indonesia.

"Indonesia strongly condemns the attack," Retno Marsudi, the country's foreign affairs minister, said in response. "Attacking U.N. personnel and property is a major violation of International Humanitarian Law."
(...)
Israel has killed U.N. personnel in unprecedented numbers since late last year, mostly in the Gaza Strip. Human Rights Watch (HRW) on Friday demanded an urgent international probe of Israel's attack on peacekeepers in Lebanon, calling it an "apparent violation of the laws of war."

Full article is at first link.

[uponit7771]

48. It's not amplified here, US news hyper focused on election